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Carter Atones for ‘Stigmatizing’ Israel

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Posted on Dec 23, 2009
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Maybe it’s because his grandson is running for public office, maybe because the former president just doesn’t like tension, but Jimmy Carter has written an open letter to the Jewish community essentially apologizing for any past statements that might have stigmatized the nation of Israel.

Carter took a lot of heat for his 2006 book, “Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid.” But he was also celebrated by progressive voices, activists and thinkers who may be disappointed by this rapprochement with staunch defenders of the occupation, the conservative American Israel lobby and anyone else who was offended by his book.

Although the letter reads more like an act of diplomacy, it shouldn’t be taken as a sign that Carter has changed his views. He calls for attacks on all civilians to stop and urges peace talks to commence with “all issues on the negotiating table.”

Carter and his grandson, who is running for the state legislature, both deny that the former president’s statement has anything to do with the campaign.

The full letter can be read below. The Associated Press has more background on the story.  —PZS

Jimmy Carter via JTA:

An open letter to the Jewish community at the season of Chanukah from former President Jimmy Carter:

The time of Chanukah and the Christian holidays presents an occasion for reflection on the past and for looking to the future. In that vein, I wish to share some thoughts with you about the State of Israel and the Middle East.

I have the hope and a prayer that the State of Israel will flourish as a Jewish state within secure and recognized borders in peaceful co-existence with its neighbors and with all the Moslem States, and that this peaceful co-existence will bring security, prosperity and happiness to the people of Israel and to the people of the Middle East of all faiths.

I have the hope and a prayer that the bloodshed and hatred will change to mutual respect and cooperation, fulfilling the prophetic aspiration that the lion shall lie down with the lamb in harmony and peace. I likewise hope that violent attacks against all civilians will end, which will help set a better framework for commencing negotiations. I further hope that peace negotiations can soon commence, with all issues on the negotiating table.

I have the hope and a prayer that just as Chanukah is the Festival of Lights, the State of Israel will fulfill its destiny as a light unto the nations.

We must recognize Israel’s achievements under difficult circumstances, even as we strive in a positive way to help Israel continue to improve its relations with its Arab populations, but we must not permit criticisms for improvement to stigmatize Israel. As I would have noted at Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, but which is appropriate at any time of the year, I offer an Al Het for any words or deeds of mine that may have done so.

May we work and pray for that better day.

Hag Semach and Happy Chanukah.

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By truedigger3, December 27, 2009 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind wrote:
“Yet there were incidents and massacres and restrictive laws, just nothing like what was done ostensibly in Christ’s name in Europe.”
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ITW,

You are partially right, but these incidents which were very few and were far between, were associated with the rise of the Turks in the Middle East and were directed at both Jews and Christians, but the Arabs through out their long history and contacts with other cultures and religions were very tolerant, accepting and accomodating.
But comparing that time with what happened to the Jews in Europe during the crusades and then the plague, that time looks like comparing paradise with hell.
Describing a person of being a Muslim, is not an encompassing accurate discription, it is like describing a person of being a Christian or of being a jew.
Muslims like jews and Christians span many races, ethnicities, different sects ,cultures, ideologies and locations.
There are blond and blue eyed , black and brown Muslims.
There are different sects in Islam exactly like Christianity for example Suni and Shi’ite Muslims.
There are progressive and reactionay Muslims, rich and poor etc etc.
There are 1.1 billion Muslims in the world and definitely they are not a monolithic group.

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By Inherit The Wind, December 27, 2009 at 10:26 am Link to this comment

Gerard and Truthdigger3:
Don’t get the idea all was bread and roses between Moslems and Jews living among them.  Compared to the Christian world from the time of the Plague on it was, but those were TERRIBLE times for Jews in Europe, and, in comparison, the Arab world looked pretty good (for Jews).  Yet there were incidents and massacres and restrictive laws, just nothing like what was done ostensibly in Christ’s name in Europe.

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By Sepharad, December 26, 2009 at 9:24 pm Link to this comment

gerard—interesting historical discussion you and truthdigger3 are happening. Both Al Andalus and the
Crusades and the rolling Reconquista in Spain are subjects of a book I’ve been working on for some years. Don’t have much time these days to post but thanks for the interesting exchange.

Re Carter, he’s a politician, his son is running for office in a state with a lot of pro-Israel Jews, so I’d be surprised if he didn’t try to mitigate his anti-Israel stance. I’m not even sure he IS anti-Israel; just doesn’t quite get the political tensions there that lead to clashes, many of which are excessive on the part of the Israelis and others that are excessive on the part of Palestinian militants. Anwar Sadat once commented that he trusted Carter because he was, like Sadat’s family, a farmer. Menachem Begin, not a trusting sort of person, didn’t quite understand Carter’s kumbaya style but was impressed by Sadat’s bravery and eager for peace, as are many people who have experienced nothing but war in their lives. I voted for Carter and he did a decent job apart from the attempt to rescue hostages in Iran. Read his book, but thought negotiator Dennis Ross’ “The Missing Peace” more to the point. Reminded of Rodgers & Hammerstein’s King of Siam’s pondering in song: “It’s a danger to be trusting one another; one will seldom want to do what other wishes; but unless someday somebody trusts somebody, there’ll be nothing left on earth excepting fishes.”

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By gerard, December 25, 2009 at 7:04 pm Link to this comment

TRUTHDIGGER3: “When the Crusaders entered Jerusalem , they slaughtered everybody, including women and children, including jews and Eastern Orthodox Christians.
With the sharp rise in religious fervor in Europe during the crusades, the Jews suffered tremendously during that period IN Europe and NOT among the Muslims.
Why you bring Frederick II into the discussion? He was not a Jew.?”

You are absolutely right.  Nothing I said would deny that.  My point was just to try to show that the resentments between Muslims, Christians and Jews—the stereotypical prjudices—stem largely from the Crusade period. The legend of the Jews as “Christ-killers” was current at the time. Frederick was just one of a minority of Europeans who not only did not fall victim to those prejudices, but the Sultan was an example of Muslim background who also resisted stereotypes.  Both educated each other, to their mutual satisfaction.  Frederick, nominally a Christian,  thought the Crusades foolhardy—a rare exception in his time. Spain benefited from the incursion of Muslim culture until the horrors of the Christian Inquisition, which also heated up latent prejudices againsts Jews in Europe.

Sorry if I wasn’t clear.

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By Inherit The Wind, December 25, 2009 at 10:59 am Link to this comment

Thong-Girl—loosen that thang—it’s strangling you.

I don’t DEFEND preventing intermarriage—I simply say you are an ignorant idiot who thinks only Jews stigmatize people who marry outside their race/etnicgroup/religion.

One of the MOST important cases AGAINST that was the suit by Ed and Mildred Loving against the Commmonwealth of Virginia for outlawing their marriage as “miscegination”...because she was Black and he was White.  Yeah, part of that WHOLE suite of laws and decisions starting with Brown v. Board that made segregation ILLEGAL in the USA…Loving is a major component of that case and is NOW a foundation of the argument for allowing Gay marriage.

But I’m sure, you’ll keep singing this same song despite all evidence to the contrary…never let facts get in your way.

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By Ed Harges, December 25, 2009 at 8:02 am Link to this comment

re:By Robert, December 24 at 12:41 pm #

I just thought Robert’s contribution deserved to go back to the top of these posts. I mean, this is
the simple truth about Israel, and it simply can’t be more “stigmatizing” than anything Jimmy Carter
might say:

“Doctor admits Israeli pathologists harvested organs without consent…”

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/it-appears-that-yet-again-they-protest-too-much/

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By john from ojai, December 25, 2009 at 12:19 am Link to this comment
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Another honorable man manipulated by the Zionist lobby machine. To tell the truth about Israel is to stigmatize them. Support the march to end the illegal blockade of Gaza which is a war crime according to the 4th Geneva Convention. Stop sending money to Carter and anyone or any business that profits from Israel’s occupation. That includes, Motorola, Starbucks, Caterpillar, Obama, and most of the U.S. Congress. Seven hundred and fifty thousand children in Gaza are suffering for your sins.

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By samosamo, December 24, 2009 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment

By NABNYC, December 24 at 4:05 pm
““There are only 5 million Jewish citizens in this country,
about 1.5% of the population, and at least half of them do not
support the brutality and violence of the state of Israel.”“
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This is the thinking with a lot of peoples who look at others as all bad when it is only a few or small part that are but to those ‘lot of people’ they are all bad( about how 1 or 2 people at school or work are bad and then everyone is treated as bad, or what have you) and the neocon ultra fundamentalist right wing nuts have no problem classing people that way for their perverted thinking.

I don’t know how many jews live here or all around the world
but I have heard that there are 1.5 billion or so muslims in the
world and I would think that most of them or the jews are not
the horrible incubuses that these palin retards think they are
but then again it has to be considered that what the palin
crowd’s ‘religious’ beliefs are about is hatred, killing, raping,
robbing and suffering of others, you know good old fashion
christian beliefs that thrives on little education and
intelligence.

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By Blackspeare, December 24, 2009 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

Pay-back is a bitch.  Too bad Carter’s grandson is running in a ward with a high Jew population.  Jews have a tendency to get even not mad——his grandson is toast!

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By gerard, December 24, 2009 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

Postscript for truthdigger3:

Frederick was not a Jew, of course—probably an atheist, excommunicated twice—once for going on a Crusade when the Pope ordered him not to, and once for not going when the Pope orderd him to go.  Maimonides,(sp?) a Jew, was Saladin’s physician.And if I am not mistaken, Richard the Lion tried to marry his sister off to Saladin, but Saladin did not accept the offer.  Ca va, as the French say.

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By truedigger3, December 24, 2009 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

gerard wrote:

“I also know that it is true the hatreds and misunderstandings have existed for a thousand years, dating mainly from the Crusade period. Yet “
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My dear Sir, the crusades wars was between the Muslims and the Catholic Christians of Europe and not between Muslims and jews.
When the Crusaders entered Jerusalem , they slaughtered everybody, including women and children, including jews and Eastern Orthodox Christians.
With the sharp rise in religious fervor in Europe during the crusades, the Jews suffered tremendously during that period IN Europe and NOT among the Muslims.
Why you bring Frederick II into the discussion? He was not a Jew.?
I hope you are writing in good faith and honesty, because, with all due respect, I smell obvious obfuscation and bullshitting in your arguments.

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By FRTothus, December 24, 2009 at 1:49 pm Link to this comment

I have to agree with Carl, December 24 at 4:23 am #: “He didn’t atone.”; and ardee December 24 at 7:51 am #: I also agree with Ed Harges, December 24 at 12:38 pm #: To speak honestly of Israel is to stigmatize Israel.”

Also, nNice post Gerard, December 23 at 11:49 pm #

President Carter got NO cooperation from the Democrats (and certainly none from the Republicans), and was pilloried in the corporate press, which says more about the Democrats, the Republicans, and the press than it does Carter, an honorable man of great principle.

The US debt-based, war economy thrives on and profits from conflict, and has blocked every attempt at a settlement in this region for decades, as in so many others. 

Truedigger3’s question is spot on.  Why must the Arabs pay for Europe’s crimes?  Further, name one other country that has a “right to exist”.  Does Palestine have a right to exist?  Does Iran?  And what about the Palestinians’ right to self-defense?, or is that a privalege belonging to only those the Empire favors?

“Americans cannot escape a certain responsibility for what is done in our name around the world. In a democracy, even one as corrupted as ours, ultimate authority rests with the people. We empower the government with our votes, finance it with our taxes, bolster it with our silent acquiescence. If we are passive in the face of America’s official actions overseas, we in effect endorse them.”
(Mark Hertzgaard)

“A terrorist is someone who has a bomb but doesn’t have an air force.”
(William Blum)

“In the United States today, the Declaration of Independence hangs on schoolroom walls, but foreign policy follows Machiavelli.”
(Howard Zinn)

“The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.”
(George Orwell)

“In many respects, we now live in a society that is only formally democratic, as the great mass of citizens have minimal say on the major public issues of the day, and such issues are scarcely debated at all in any meaningful sense in the electoral arena. In our society, corporations and the wealthy enjoy a power every bit as immense as that assumed to have been enjoyed by the lords and royalty of feudal times.”
(Robert W. McChesney, media critic and author)

“For the most part, Israel is the subcontractor for American arms to the ‘Third World.’ There is no terrible regime-Colombia, Guatemala, Uruguay, Argentina and Chile during the time of the colonels, Burma, Taiwan, Zaire, Liberia, Congo, Sierra Leone-there is not one that does not have a major military connection to Israel…. So this is the missing piece… Israel is a key member of the empire.”
(Jeff Halper, Israeli activist and analyst)

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By truedigger3, December 24, 2009 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment

Carl wrote:

“He wrote that he is sorry if some people are too ignorant to understand the reality that he described. He never said he was sorry for speaking the truth.”
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Truthdig didn’t lie when it said Carter atoned…..
What Carter wrote is nothing but obfuscative, disgusting, ass kissing letter.
Yes, he never said he was sorry, but the content of the letter says so.

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By gerard, December 24, 2009 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment

Truthdigger3:  Now that you mention it, yes, I know there have been periods when Jews and Arabs lived together in relative peace.  Even now there are Israeli/Arab organizations working within Israel, together with Christians in some cases, trying to help their children resist prejudice and to reclaim land, trees, water stolen from Palestine territories by Israel. I also know that it is true the hatreds and misunderstandings have existed for a thousand years, dating mainly from the Crusade period. Yet even within that time there were individuals who understood and appreciated each other’s cultures.  Frederick II comes to mind:  The Arabs called him “el emberor” and he and the Sultan of Egypt wrote letters back and forth, airmailed by carrier pigeons,  about Plato and mathematics and astronomy.
Generalities should always be questioned.  Thanks.

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By NABNYC, December 24, 2009 at 12:05 pm Link to this comment

We are quick to criticize and stand up to the extreme right-wing of the Republican party, those who are often fundamentalist Christians.  They have militarized a religion, nationalized it, changed it from a religion into a nationalistic murderous ideology.  “This is a Christian nation,” its members proclaim loudly, in complete disregard of our constitution which makes this country a civil society, not governed by any religion. 

Its members, threaten force, violence and murder for those who have different views, and sometimes do murder, killing abortion-providing doctors, blowing up abortion clinics, attacking and sometimes murdering wives who try to escape the chains of enslavement of the Christian right.  They condemn education, love ignorance (teaching “creationism” instead of science) and love ignorants (Sarah Palin and George W. Bush, admired more for their willful ignorance than for anything else).

We also have a small group of right-wing religious fanatics who are more identified with the Democrats.  Those are the most militant and fanatical group of Jewish Americans.  There are only 5 million Jewish citizens in this country, about 1.5% of the population, and at least half of them do not support the brutality and violence of the state of Israel. 

But despite that, this tiny percentage of our citizens are able to bully, cow, even throw out of office any politician who does not adopt their fanatical militaristic violent and murderous ideology.  They demand the U.S. politicians steal money from the working class (taxes) and send billions to Israel every year, despite the fact that Israel is not a part of this country, and does nothing to help the people of this country. 

The only relationship between Israel and the U.S. is that Israel keeps bribing our politicians to betray the citizens of this country by giving away our money and getting involved in Israel’s criminal landtheft and murder.  If the politician will not stand up and pledge allegiance to the illegal state of Israel, then the zionists will take him or her down and out.

It’s a shame Jimmy Carter has been hounded and vilified by this ignorant group of fanatics.  He is a man who is promoting peace in the middle east, and his opponents only want war, murder, more theft of land, and ultimately want genocide of the Palestinian people. 

Jimmy Carter is taking the high road.  But his opponents belong in the Sarah Palin camp—ignorant fanatics who would just as soon kill anyone who does not ratify their ideological fanaticism; people who hate democracy and freedom, hate freedom of speech, want a religious dictatorship, break the laws, bribe politicians, steal classified and state secret information, then attack anybody who opposes them as being an anti-semite.  U.S. Out of Israel.

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By truedigger3, December 24, 2009 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

gerard wrote:
“We are dealing with long-accumulated, intertwined grievances and animosities that have been festering for a thousand years, plus additional prejudicial hangovers from the Holocaust.”
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The jews lived peacefully and prosperously among the Arabs for almost two thousands years.
In my opinion, the best time the jews had in their long history was when they lived in Spain at the time when Spain was ruled by the Arabs.  It was a golden age for diversity and a golden age for the jews.
So, when someone says:

“We are dealing with long-accumulated, intertwined grievances and animosities that have been festering for a thousand years” , I will say that is not true.
The jews despersed because of the Romans and not because of the Arabs.

The problems started when the Russian and Polish jews came to Palestine and established Israel expelling and murdering the Palestinians and taking their homes and their land and consigning them to life of want, without hope and dignity constantly under the gun and oppression.

Antisemitism is uniquely an European phenomenon, why the Arabs have to pay for its sins. Why the Arabs have to pay for the Holocaust.!!??

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By samosamo, December 24, 2009 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

By Thong-girl, December 24 at 2:56 pm

Ah, but yeah, R. Crumb’s illustration of the first several books of
genesis doesn’t leave this part out of that ‘holy’ book, and I
wonder how many bible thumpers will buy that.

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By samosamo, December 24, 2009 at 11:19 am Link to this comment

By rfidler, December 24 at 2:19 pm

I admit to a degree of ADD and you’re right on moot vs mute as
I did not proof my comment that well, but as for izrael, that is
an old time spelling and not capitalizing the i shows how
undeserving izrael is of being capitalized in my mind.

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By truedigger3, December 24, 2009 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

Why did Carter appologize now??!!
Israel is still Israel with its atrocities, brutalilies and injustice toward the helpless Palestinian people with no end in sight and with utter brazen disregard for anything decent and humane in this world.
He should apologize for is his death squads in El Salvadore that killed thousands of civilians on mere suspicion.
He should apologize for fanning the flame of muslim fundmentalism in Afghanistan and setting the stage for the Talibans and El-Quaeda.!!

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By Thong-girl, December 24, 2009 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

Additionally, Bag-of-wind, you might do a little research before you declare yourself an authority on inbreeding.  One need look no further than the plethora of diseases plaguing the Jewish diaspora because of inbreeding, “Tay-Sachs Disease, Gaucher Disease, Fanconi Anemia, Bloom Syndrome, Mucolipidosis IV and Niemann-Pick Disease to name the most well known.  Look them up and see how endogamy has served the race of Jews around the world. Then look up the apartheid system of laws and rights available to non-Jews in Israel, then let me know and we can talk.

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By Thong-girl, December 24, 2009 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

ITW, the point was, who gets access to resources and prestige in the Zionist ranks.  If you think an Israeli woman can marry some Christian Italian, and that he would get the same welcome, as a Jew, you are delusional.  I never mentioned religion, that’s in your mind.  I am used to old men on the blogosphere trying to bully women, so I suggest you get over yourself and don’t try it with me again.

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By rico, suave, December 24, 2009 at 10:19 am Link to this comment

samosamo:

It’s Israel, not izrael. And moot, not mute. You must have gone to the folktruther school of grammatical anarchy

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By Inherit The Wind, December 24, 2009 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

rfidler, December 24 at 12:53 pm #

Thong-girl:
“No other race of people demands its people marry within their own kind;”

You may want to re-think that. I have an Irish neighbor who is less than thrilled because their son married an Italian girl. Race continuity is a universal urge. The degree to which it is enforced within a given race is another matter.
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For once I agree with you.  People here are inventing new versions of the “blood libel” (now organ harvesting). Only Jews demand people marry within their religion?  Are you out of your tiny mind, ThongGirl?  Better loosen that thong—it’s cutting off the circulation to your brain.

Alexander the Great was probably the LAST leader to encourage intermarriage.

Just have fun trying to find a Catholic priest who will marry a Jew to a Catholic.  And do you think your beloved Arabs are big on marrying outside the race and religion?

And you claim you are not a Jew-hater! Liar.

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By rico, suave, December 24, 2009 at 10:17 am Link to this comment

donnasaggia:

Do you have a link to Ahmedinejad’s call to annihilate Israel? Didn’t think so.

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By rico, suave, December 24, 2009 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

montanawildhack:

Loaves and fishes my man, loaves and fishes!

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By samosamo, December 24, 2009 at 9:53 am Link to this comment

To begin, whether carter did ‘atone’ to izrael or apologize
is mute as it carries the connotation of the apology or caving
in and asking for forgiveness for what he said not to matter
how true it is and this is something the izraelis have done for
millennium, described as the ‘wheel within a wheel’, to make
people who are right doubt what they do or what they say and
sort of ‘take it back’ if it offends.

Carter from the article:
“Jimmy Carter has written an open letter to the Jewish
community essentially apologizing for any past statements
that might have stigmatized the nation of Israel.’’”

And, yes, racism is inherent in everyone though suppressed
thankfully to prevent all out hostility towards anyone who
happens to venture too close to another group’s ideology,
brides/grooms or possessions but that is the way this whole
world and universe was created by ‘whoever or whatever’
created it and off the top of my head the ‘tower of babel’ in
the bible, which I don’t keep in my house, though for research
I do need to get one and a king james version at that, to see
what that tale was all about and I bet it bears very much on
what we see and hear these days for those who need the bible
to get their information, and good luck on that.
Before I get hammered on this seeming contradiction, get the
works of Thomas Paine and read his ‘Age Of Reason’, Biblical
Blasphemy’, and ‘Examination of the Prophecies’.

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By donnasaggia, December 24, 2009 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

But Israel’s cheerleaders can call for all the death and destruction they want without having to say they’re sorry…link to a U of Texas, Austin, professor’s call to bomb Iran:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/24/opinion/24kuperman.html?ref=opinion

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By donnasaggia, December 24, 2009 at 9:29 am Link to this comment

Carter should have saved his apologies until Israel apologized for Gaza and Lebanon—in other words, until hell freezes over.

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By montanawildhack, December 24, 2009 at 9:19 am Link to this comment

My Chanukah Story… by montanawildhack

It was the winter of 1980 and my dorm mates and I

had just purchased a copy of Pink Floyd’s The Wall

album.

We were going to have our own personal concert

listening to the entire album… We purchased

copious amounts of alcohol and were anxiously

waiting on Jeremy who was to deliver a half

ounce of marijauna…...Jeremy called to tell us

that because of a raging blizzard of snow he

couldn’t possibly deliver the herb…. We

had only a tiny roach in the ash tray to get

all 8 of us properly “baked” for the concert…  But

then a miracle occured….  The roach that only had

maybe one or two good hits in it got all 8 of us

pleasantly baked and we were able to properly

appreciate the music…. A miracle….

        Praise the Lord!!!!

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By Thong-girl, December 24, 2009 at 9:02 am Link to this comment

rFidler, yes there are surely those groups that admire it when a sect stays within their own, and those sorts of admirations are cute and understandable, but when a “Nation” erects a system of controlling the percentage of an individual’s pedigree, to the citizen’s rights and endowments, as it is in Israel and within the Zionist regime, that is scary and we would never in a million years tolerate it from any other group.  It is truly amazing in fact that we are funding this “experiment” for Jews.  Truly amazing it is seldom brought up for discussion.  Can you name another group we give $3 billion a year to, that practices this sort of exclusionary or endogamous strategy?

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By rico, suave, December 24, 2009 at 8:53 am Link to this comment

Thong-girl:
“No other race of people demands its people marry within their own kind;”

You may want to re-think that. I have an Irish neighbor who is less than thrilled because their son married an Italian girl. Race continuity is a universal urge. The degree to which it is enforced within a given race is another matter.

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By Thong-girl, December 24, 2009 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

The Faustian deal the people of Israel and their defenders made was the acceptance of the Rabin assassination. Once you accept that the one leader who was willing to accept the reality facing the country, is not acceptable, everyone carries the water of the Fascist regime.  It is really hard to find any “real” Israeli Jew who is willing to condemn themselves for that brutal and counter-intuitive act. The idea that the Rabin atrocity has been essentially removed from the collective conscious of the Jewish people, demonstrates the fate that they believe awaits them.  If they were not willing to even try to reconcile that act, it is highly unlikely they will try to turn the ship around in the swirling waters of the ME.

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By Robert, December 24, 2009 at 8:41 am Link to this comment

Doctor admits Israeli pathologists harvested organs without consent

12.21.2009 | The Guardian

Israel has admitted pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others, without the consent of their families – a practice it said ended in the 1990s – it emerged at the weekend.

The admission, by the former head of the country’s forensic institute, followed a furious row prompted by a Swedish newspaper reporting that Israel was killing Palestinians in order to use their organs – a charge that Israel denied and called “antisemitic”.

The revelation, in a television documentary, is likely to generate anger in the Arab and Muslim world and reinforce sinister stereotypes of Israel and its attitude to Palestinians. Iran’s state-run Press TV tonight reported the story, illustrated with photographs of dead or badly injured Palestinians.

Ahmed Tibi, an Israeli Arab MP, said the report incriminated the Israeli army.

The story emerged in an interview with Dr Yehuda Hiss, former head of the Abu Kabir forensic institute near Tel Aviv. The interview was conducted in 2000 by an American academic who released it because of the row between Israel and Sweden over a report in the Stockholm newspaper Aftonbladet.

Channel 2 TV reported that in the 1990s, specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, often without permission from relatives.

The Israeli military confirmed to the programme that the practice took place, but added: “This activity ended a decade ago and does not happen any longer.”

Hiss said: “We started to harvest corneas … whatever was done was highly informal. No permission was asked from the family.””
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Click on link for the rest of this article:

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/it-appears-that-yet-again-they-protest-too-much/

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By Ed Harges, December 24, 2009 at 8:38 am Link to this comment

To speak honestly of Israel is to stigmatize Israel.

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By Thong-girl, December 24, 2009 at 8:20 am Link to this comment

Israel has been hurt by Carter and so the strategic move is for him to pull back, offer an olive branch so to speak.  No one wants to credit Jimmy, but all know what sort of weight he now carries.  It is too bad thought that we are forced into this corner of being a Jew-hater, I won’t use the familiar term used to exploit all Arabs and Muslims, vs being a person who wants everyone to just get along.  No other race of people demands its people marry within their own kind; miscegenation was outlawed years ago, yet Zionist Jews disparage those who marry outside their own race.  And as U.S. citizens, we are forced to support this sort of hatred of others.  When do we get this right; when do U.S. Jews stand up and demand the freedom and peace for which they were once known.

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By Ouroborus, December 24, 2009 at 7:39 am Link to this comment

gerard, December 23 at 11:49 pm #
Nobody asked me, but for my part, I would beg Israel
to stop stigmatizing itself by maintaining the
occupation, the wall, the settlements, the denial of
supplies to Gaza etc. I would beg the Palestinians to
stop stigmatizing themselves by permitting the
rockets from Hamas into Israel; I would beg the U.S.
to stop stigmatizing itself by supporting Israel in
the occupation, supplying arms etc., and I would beg
Iran to stop stigmatizing itself by wishing Israel
would fall into the sea.

I would beg the US to stop warring in Af/Pak areas
and bring troops home from there and from Iraq.  Then
after that I would set up some permanent inter-
regional, international peacemaking/peacekeeping
institutes for study and to promote ongoing efforts
at intercultural, inter-religious understanding and
tolerance that might eventually lead to a stable
peace with the help of significant cooperative
funding and economic development (jobs, education
etc) from Saudi Arabian peninsula countries, oil
giants, Turkey and the United Nations.

A vast cooperative effort might make peace possible
there.  Anything less is not likely to succeed.  We
are dealing with long-accumulated, intertwined
grievances and animosities that have been festering
for a thousand years, plus additional prejudicial
hangovers from the Holocaust. A complete voluntary,
willed make-over of the human psyche in the entire
area is needed.

To wish for a simpler, less extensive, less profound
change is naive.  There is no Santa Claus, Dorothy.
==========================================
TAO Walker, December 23 at 11:30 pm #
....ashes, ashes, all fall down!

Hokahey!
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I vote gerard and TAO Walker posters of the year!

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By rico, suave, December 24, 2009 at 6:23 am Link to this comment

gerard,

Great post!

Note to other posters- noitce how gerard offers constructive suggestions instead of calling everyones who disagrees with you a moron (n.b.- ardee)

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By Inherit The Wind, December 24, 2009 at 5:45 am Link to this comment

Same old, same old.  The racists and bigots come out from under the rocks and pretend to be “progressive”.

Carter didn’t play politics well, but his vision for the US and world has been spot-on for over 30 years.

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By ardee, December 24, 2009 at 3:51 am Link to this comment

I believe James Earl Carter to be our finest elder statesman. I believe that some of the rants directed at him speak volumes about the poster and say little if anything about the man.

I agree with those who note that the letter is in no way an apology only a more conciliatory method of making the point that Israel must stop its heinous treatment of Palestinians.

Further I think that Barack Obama might learn from the actions of President Carter in order to ready himself for a more fruitful post presidential career. He, like Carter, is seemingly doomed to one term and out.

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By liecatcher, December 24, 2009 at 2:20 am Link to this comment

What Carter should apologize for is giving away the
Panama Canal & repealing the Usury Law, the latter
facilitating the enslavement of America. His membership
in the COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS reveals which
masters he really serves & building houses won’t redeem
him.

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By ameri, December 24, 2009 at 1:10 am Link to this comment
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Its hard being for peace and being against all slaughter and wars in this world. More condemnation is directed towards those who are pointing out crimes and calling for peace than any war-mongering Eco-politico person without any regard for anyone but them self.

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By brewerstroupe, December 24, 2009 at 12:30 am Link to this comment

Israel hits back over Swedish organ harvesting article
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/08/23/israel.sweden.organ.harvesting/index.html

“This is an anti-Semitic blood libel against the Jewish people and the Jewish state. The Swedish government cannot remain apathetic,” said Israel’s Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz.

“We know the origins of these claims. In medieval times, there were claims that the Jews use the blood of Christians to bake their Matzas for Passover…...He continued: “It makes no difference whether this comes from a neo-Nazi organization or from an honorable newspaper. The Swedish government must renounce itself from this anti-Semitic publication.”
Last week Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman compared the Swedish Foreign Ministry’s hands-off position to the country’s neutrality during World War II.

“It’s a shame that the Swedish Foreign Ministry fails to intervene in a case of blood libels against Jews,” Lieberman told Sweden’s ambassador to Israel on Thursday evening. “This is reminiscent of Sweden’s stand during World War II, when [it] had failed to intervene as well…....................ummm….........aww….......................

.............oh you mean those organs?”

Season’s greetings everyone. It is Christmas Eve in Kiwiland so I’m off out for dinner.

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By pundaint, December 24, 2009 at 12:24 am Link to this comment

Is it just me, or is anybody else starting to notice that when outsiders try to decide
for another population how they should govern themselves it might not work out
over time.  I wonder if a little more research into this might inform some of our
present policies?

Nah, it must be the nog!

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By Carl, December 24, 2009 at 12:23 am Link to this comment

Why does truthdig print this lie. Carter Atones for ‘Stigmatizing’ Israel

He didn’t atone. Read the info, then delete this “article.” He wrote that he is sorry if some people are too ignorant to understand the reality that he described. He never said he was sorry for speaking the truth.

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By P. T., December 23, 2009 at 11:41 pm Link to this comment

Remember the ruckus when a Swedish newspaper reported on allegations that Israel harvested Palestinian bodily organs.  Now there is an article from the London Guardian titled “Doctor Admits Israeli Pathologists Havested Organs Without Consent.”  Click on http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs

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By Joe the Philosopher, December 23, 2009 at 11:23 pm Link to this comment
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The Zionists had better wise up to the fact that the American public has wised up to them. They’re either stupid or they don’t care. That’s understandable considering the massive arrogance that many Jews suffer from.

Decent Jews must separate themselves from the psychotic Zionists or risk sharing their tragic destiny. The Zionists have already been exposed as criminals and the time of retribution is close at hand.

Praise all who speak out against the Zionist terrorists.

Truth will rule.

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By GoyToy, December 23, 2009 at 10:45 pm Link to this comment

Carter is kissing ass, plain and simple. But that’s no surprise. As far as I’m concerned, that land is called Palestine and it belongs to the people (Muslim, Jews, Christians and others) who were born there. The Zionist state needs to be dismantled.

And why does Carter spell “Muslim” as “Moslem?” You’d think he’d know better.

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By idarad, December 23, 2009 at 10:22 pm Link to this comment

“May we work and pray for that better day.”

Folks I am an atheist- not agnostic, not well maybe a god, no,  an absolute atheist.
I love Jimmy Carter and Rosalyn because of what they did after they sat in the white house.  Before you decide to jump all over them, read what he wrote.  He desires peace, not victory, he desires coexistence not revenge.  Go back and read what Carter wrote…. is there a crack in the door where the light
can shine in?  Can we find a way to exist together?  If we can’t .... it doesn’t matter does it!

The majority of the commenters here just want to pile it on and blame someone for the woes.  Was Carter perfect, hell no, who is/was…. jesus?.... give me a break. 

We are 7 billion people trying to work out how to make it all come together.  Can we give ourselves a break? god we keep boxing ourselves into a corner, then getting pissed cuz there is no way out

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By bogglesthemind, December 23, 2009 at 9:53 pm Link to this comment

They say the only thing able to live in a vacuum is Lichen.

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By lichen, December 23, 2009 at 9:46 pm Link to this comment

How pathetic.  Israel is a disgusting, racist apartheid state, wildly arrogant and self-righteous; it needs to be stigmatized; it needs to be brought to justice under international law and stop violating UN accords.  The Palestinean’s will be fine with the internationally recognized two-state solution, but no, all things are not equal, and demonizing the democraticallly elected government of Gaza (hamas) as if they have no right to agitate for their sovereignty, rights to food, water, livelihood and self-determination; to resist illegal occupation in all ways, but excuse Israel’s mass slaughter of Palestinean’s is disgusting.

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By gerard, December 23, 2009 at 9:42 pm Link to this comment

Hello, out there.  What’s with the dirty language and the personal insults?

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By tman, December 23, 2009 at 8:53 pm Link to this comment

President Carter should tell Israel to kiss his ass. The only good Zionist is a dead one. They and their allies are nothing but Neo Nazis.

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By P. T., December 23, 2009 at 8:48 pm Link to this comment

Jimmy Carter never mentioned the occupation.  Nor did he explain why a country illegally confiscating the land and water of an indigenous people should not be stigmatized.  He is just as morally confused as when he was president.

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By samosamo, December 23, 2009 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment

Izrael needs a big ass smack down; this country is run by the
same kind of lunatic fanatics that are at work here and most
probably are under izraeli command.

There are good and concerned citizens in izrael but even they
are hushed up so izraeli leaders can keep terrorizing the
world and it is past time to cut izrael out of OUR country to
stop their infernal meddling.

These creeps have been at this game since the inception of
judism and they were just as big of terrorist then as now if
not more so.

Really sad to see carter cave into the pressure but as every president since the beginning, so did carter and now, once again bends over for them.

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By gerard, December 23, 2009 at 7:49 pm Link to this comment

Nobody asked me, but for my part, I would beg Israel to stop stigmatizing itself by maintaining the occupation, the wall, the settlements, the denial of supplies to Gaza etc. I would beg the Palestinians to stop stigmatizing themselves by permitting the rockets from Hamas into Israel; I would beg the U.S. to stop stigmatizing itself by supporting Israel in the occupation, supplying arms etc., and I would beg Iran to stop stigmatizing itself by wishing Israel would fall into the sea. 

I would beg the US to stop warring in Af/Pak areas and bring troops home from there and from Iraq.  Then after that I would set up some permanent inter-regional, international peacemaking/peacekeeping institutes for study and to promote ongoing efforts at intercultural, inter-religious understanding and tolerance that might eventually lead to a stable peace with the help of significant cooperative funding and economic development (jobs, education etc) from Saudi Arabian peninsula countries, oil giants, Turkey and the United Nations.

A vast cooperative effort might make peace possible there.  Anything less is not likely to succeed.  We are dealing with long-accumulated, intertwined grievances and animosities that have been festering for a thousand years, plus additional prejudicial hangovers from the Holocaust. A complete voluntary, willed make-over of the human psyche in the entire area is needed.

To wish for a simpler, less extensive, less profound change is naive.  There is no Santa Claus, Dorothy.

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By jackwbarnes1, December 23, 2009 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment

I PERSONALLY CONSIDER CARTER THE WORSE PRESIDENT DURING MY
LIFETIME AND I GO BACK TO FDR. IF HE WOULD ZIP HIS LIPS AND PRETEND
TO BE A STATESMAN,JUST MAYBE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WOULD FOR
GET HIM.

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By TAO Walker, December 23, 2009 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

....ashes, ashes, all fall down!

Hokahey!

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By ofersince72, December 23, 2009 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment
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ditto with bogglesthemind

boggles has a great net name,

mine stays that way, especially on political net

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By bogglesthemind, December 23, 2009 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

Well said.  But he is kissing ass, in my view.

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By Ian, December 23, 2009 at 6:23 pm Link to this comment
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If anyone has any doubts about Carter’s willingness to speak frankly and courageously about Israel, they should rent _Jimmy Carter: Man From Plains_ immediately.  This is an excellent documentary, and a reminder that Jimmy Carter does not suffer fools gladly, Nobel Peace Prize notwithstanding.  His “atonement” in the letter above is carefully worded—and his call for Israel to fulfill its promise to be a light to the nations is appropriately pointed.

My own grudging nod to Israel apologists is this: Carter should be standing up against the atrocities and idiocies committed by his own faith group—American evangelical Christians—with at least the same courage and conviction that he has shown in his criticisms of the world’s only Jewish state.  Israel deserves all these criticisms, of course, but the atrocities in one’s own back yard should be the first atrocities one turns one’s attention to.  The militarist and quasi-fascist manifestation of Zionism that has usurped the meaning of the word “Zionism” is not a product of Jews alone, but of the peculiar U.S.-Israel relationship, a relationship that greedhead (secular) corporations and fascistic (religious) Christians are key players in also.

If Carter has anything to apologize for, it is for some of the things that happened on his watch as president.  One particularly relevant error in foreign policy was fanning the flames of Jihadist terrorism in Afghanistan (the credit for this belongs more directly with Brezinsky, and Reagan—Carter’s cowboy successor—was a more enthusiastic proponent of this terrorism, but Carter bears some responsibility for this).  Less, noted, but equally shameful, is the Gwangju Massacre in South Korea against ordinary citizens tarred as “communists”—hundreds and perhaps thousands were killed.  The Gwangju Massacre was the Beijing Massacre of Carter’s tenure, and was carried out by a political ally, and undoubtedly with the passive or active support of the U.S. military on the Korean peninsula.  Without U.S. support, no massacre of that scale could have taken place.

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By bob, December 23, 2009 at 6:09 pm Link to this comment
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Sanction all things Israeli.  Boycott Israel.  No more wars that serve only Israel’s paranoid, psychotic interests.

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