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Posted on Feb 5, 2011
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Former President George W. Bush canceled a planned trip to Switzerland over fear of legal action there as pressure mounted on the Swiss government to arrest him and open a criminal probe into allegations of torture if he visits the country. —JCL

Reuters:

Former President George W. Bush has canceled a visit to Switzerland, where he was to address a Jewish charity gala, due to the risk of legal action against him for alleged torture, rights groups said on Saturday.

Bush was to be the keynote speaker at Keren Hayesod’s annual dinner on February 12 in Geneva. But pressure has been building on the Swiss government to arrest him and open a criminal investigation if he enters the Alpine country.

Criminal complaints against Bush alleging torture have been lodged in Geneva, court officials say.

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By MarthaA, February 15, 2011 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment

I refuse to argue with OzarkMichael over my Christianity.  When OzarkMichael elected WAR instead of PEACE, he denied Christ, perhaps he will peruse a few of these links about Right-Wing use of binary EMOTIONAL rhetoric and transfer propaganda, and sophism in use of the media and Christianity for benefit of the Right that OzarkMichael espouses: 

How Republicans and Their Big Business Allies Duped Tens of Millions of Evangelicals into Voting for a Corporate Agenda: 
http://www.alternet.org/story/148795/how_republicans_and_their_big_business_allies_duped_tens_of_millions_of_evangelicals_into_voting_for_a_corporate_agenda

FOXLEAKS: How Bill Sammon Slanted Fox’s Cairo Speech Coverage:   http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-news-section/68-68/4948-foxleaks-how-bill-sammon-slanted-foxs-cairo-speech-coverage

Bill Moyers: America Must Be Exposed to the Truth, Even if it hurts, because it will help in the future:  http://www.alternet.org/story/149925/bill_moyers:_america_can’t_deal_with_reality_—_we_must_be_exposed_to_the_truth,_even_if_it_hurts?page=entire

FOX NEWS INSIDER: “Stuff Is Just Made Up”:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102100007

Bill Moyers: “Facts Still Matter ...”http://www.truth-out.org/bill-moyers-facts-still-matter67571

11 of the Tea Party GOP’s Most Ridiculous Policy Ideas (So Far): http://www.alternet.org/story/149848/11_of_the_tea_party_gop’s_most_ridiculous_policy_ideas_(so_far)

Glenn Beck’s hysterical rants about Egypt play on fear:  http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-opinion-section/71-71/4929-glenn-becks-hysterical-rants-about-egypt-play-on-fear

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By OzarkMichael, February 14, 2011 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment

A mousey and tardy post from our usually ferocious Martha/Thomas. Why so timid? Checking to see if the coast is clear?

Well, Martha/Thomas… it isnt.

Your timid little post puts the spotlight on you because I would like to examine this mouse in sheeps clothing who writes as “MarthaA”.

“MarthaA”, who writes exactly the same nutty dangerous rhetoric as “ThomasG”, claims to be differentiated from ThomasG by the fact that “she” is a “Christian”, while ThomasG is the hard-bitten atheist.

It is not hard to prove that they are the same person.

Not long ago MarthaA posted this:

  Thanks to “Zeitgeist” and all similar documentary type movies ... more and more people are becoming aware and Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST sophistry and propaganda is hitting a brick wall...

MarthaA recommends Zeitgeist to us. Before I comment, i want everyone to see that “MarthaA’s” recommendation of Zeitgeist isnt a slip of the tongue. She recommended it in every one of these Truthdig posts:

https://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/obamas_new_role_model_ronald_reagan_20110127/?ln#381601

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/without_obama_we_lost_so_much_more_than_an_election_20110124/#381614

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/keith_olbermann_leaves_msnbc_20110121/#381646

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/where_liberals_go_to_feel_good_20110124/?ln#381608

We see that “Christian” “MarthaA” recommends Zeitgeist heartily and without reservation. Much more often than she ever recommended the Gospels.

Zeitgeist has three parts. The foundational first part of the movie ‘proves’ that Jesus is a myth.

As a Christian, how can “MarthaA” recommend a movie that proclaims Jesus is a only myth as its basis and foundation? 

As a Christian, how can she proclaim ‘Jesus is a myth’ four times, denying Christ more often than Peter did?

The answer is simple. MarthaA is not a Christian. She is a ‘spiritual’ sock puppet for ThomasG.

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By MarthaA, February 14, 2011 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment

Bush pushed an agenda of fear, it is only right that he should fear what should happen to him.

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By Leefeller, February 8, 2011 at 9:38 pm Link to this comment

OM, quick note: Appreciate your comments and even PH.

Recently I heard the Tea Bags are against the Patriot act, which is a feather in their cap from me point of view. Also cutting back funding from the Military Industrial Complex was said to be the part of the Tea Bag agenda, another point I agree with.

So it can be said the Tea Baggers are more for hope and Change than even Obama, well lets see what happens when the dust settles.

Opportunists like Botchman and Palin do not impress me and from what I understand possibly many Tea Baggers agree with me on that one too?

In the end, tea bags seem to be poking the cloned Republican status quo in the ass which is refreshing, it would be nice if the left had something similar to poke the Dems in the ass with, maybe even get Dems to remove there heads.

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By PatrickHenry, February 8, 2011 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller,

Thats former Marine, but you should understand the nuance.

No tattoos, just a couple of old shrapnel wounds in one of my legs. I still pick slivers of metal out from time to time. 

I was a ‘parrot head’ for a time in my life till I switched to vodka based drinks.  Jimmy Buffet is still good although he needs to learn some new songs.

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By OzarkMichael, February 8, 2011 at 8:15 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller, your fuzzy tea bag teasing made me laugh. i got the jokes and i was not offended. Some needling from you should be anticipated by anyone here at anytime. Nothing wrong with that. Teasing, at least here in the Ozarks, is a sign of affection.

If a person puts forward a theory, and defends it in earnest, and your response is teasing, then the person should understand that the whole thing is a joke to you.

If the person is Martha/Thomas she wont care about your opinion because she is doing propaganda and your reaction has no value to her.

If the person is me, who puts emphasis on human interaction and great value on a fair meeting of minds, then after your teasing i would be wise to stop being so serious. 

Also if you seem to agree with something(after quite a lot of work on my part), and then a month later you have forgotten it, i surmise that even your agreement is a sort of teasing.

Dont get me wrong, there is no good guy or bad guy. If the story of the world turns out to be a meaningless tale, then your approach is much wiser than mine. Even if the world has a particular meaning behind it, even if i am right about part of it, the story cannot possibly have exactly the meaning i propose, and so your teasing is well deserved either way.

I apologize if i ever implied that you are a bad guy. You are a good guy, if you want to know my opinion. Over the years you gravitated towards the most worthwhile person, and then you were fiercely loyal to that person. That is admirable. dont change. All your teasing cannot camoflage your virtue.

So your teasing isnt a bad thing. However, if i spend days soul searching in order to come up with a serious theory about something, it would be foolish of me to write it here on Truthdig. 

Please know ahead of time that I am probably not staying on Truthdig for long this time. The goal i had is nearly met. Your teasing has nothing to do with my departure except it made me smile before the exit.

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By Leefeller, February 8, 2011 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

Geeze OM, are you from the south .....“we all”?  I did not know Thomas G was an Atheist, I always thought he was one of those planet in the sky Utah Morons?  I always thought TG and Marths were brother and sister, possibly surmising twins?

Strange as it may seem, I know little of any posters here except their posting names and little of their sexual productivities, and would like to keep that way!

Lets see,...... Om is a country doctor and I suspect male who wears teabags from his ears, sans stethoscope? Ardee is either a butch chick or a he man who has a photo of a Hardly Davidson? Martha and Thomas G have something very in common with each other, they both seem well established at being annoying, in a similar but different way compared to OM and Marshall.
Patrick Henry is a marine or ex marine who has a tattoo of an Anchor and parrot on his forehead?

I seem to remember amusingly more names of posters who attempted to insult me then the ones who make sense, but I tease people I respect for I learned the technique in the service.

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By OzarkMichael, February 7, 2011 at 10:02 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA, what distinguishes you from ThomasG? We all know that he is an atheist.

Arent you an atheist, MarthaA?

You seem to be the same person as ThomasG. Why use two different names if you are one person?

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By MarthaA, February 7, 2011 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment

tweet le dee, February 7 at 10:40 pm,

If Bush wants Swiss chocolate, let him go get it.  Don’t talk him out of it.

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By tweet le dee, February 7, 2011 at 5:40 pm Link to this comment
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Fear of Arrest ?  This guy has NO fear.  He’s fearless.  He’s got his big buddy Cheyney to cover for him.  Amazing isn’t it how some “people” are unconscienable?  How many civilians did he count as collateral damage ?  Just a mere several thousand.  Get over it.  He wants some Swiss chocolate to bring home to his girls.

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By Leefeller, February 7, 2011 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

OM,

Tea Bags for change?  The Tea Bag cause seems extremely fuzzy to me.  Even if the Tea baggers offered a coherent package, a package which I could possibly find myself supporting. Once the dust settled, the package would be tainted by opportunists.  History suggests this…...for it seems control and power is a never ending battle.

What is happening with the Tea Bags who won a position in the last election?  Last I heard they were going to meet with someone from the White House, (Gates?)  who was going to set them straight on the military budget,..... so far I have not heard a peep?

Egypt has its own Tea Bag rally going on right now, it remains to be seen if they are they going to get real change or is it just another illusion? 

Ardee,.... now I can sleep better, knowing Marshall and GRYM are not mating. I had visions of cockroaches infesting the earth voicing cloned mental sound bites.

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By ardee, February 7, 2011 at 7:02 am Link to this comment

Leefeller, February 6 at 7:00 pm Link to this comment

Marshall and GRYM spouses? Holy crap Ardie…..how do you come up with this stuff?

Poetic license? Intellectualy wedded, wedded by a common ability to lie like a rug and suffer no pangs of conscience?

P.S. its ardee, a nuance no doubt, I once knew an ‘Artie’ though.

Marshall has been on an off for as long as I can remember, (mostly off).  At first I had suspected Marshal of actually being GWB himself,.... but Marshall finally proved himself slightly more intelligent than GWB, more like Cheney.

That is crueler than anything I have ever suggested!

  If indeed GRYM is female and spouse to Marshall,  this is news to me, and actually explains the vast void of logic, between those collective ears, though I would suggest Marshall is obviously the brains of the outfit.

What is with this disturbed duo stuff, I mean we have Martha and whats his name.  I have suspected on occasion some other posters of using different poster names.

Wedded bliss, in the twenty first century is open to combination heretofore rejected. Ideological marriage is one such.

It is, in the end, impossible to say with certainty whether one person provides multiple identities on this or any forum. Of course, the duopoly of Martha/Thomas so clumsily posts the same identical language, style, use of bold or italics that the inference becomes a natural conclusion.

The need to have ones positions accepted runs deeper in some than in others I guess, and thus the means to that end of are much more import to them. Tag team events manifests in strange and new ways.

In the grand scheme of things deceptions are nothing new.

True enough. I concern myself more with the need to balance such deceptions with another view. It is possible that we all deceive ourselves…..improbable but certainly worth the mention.

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By MarthaA, February 7, 2011 at 2:24 am Link to this comment

Of course he cancels, he doesn’t want to use Alzheimer’s, like Ronald Reagan, for his administration’s excuse for not being guilty of being war criminals, even though Reagan’s Alzheimer’s was not a sufficient excuse for the whole corrupt Reagan administration.

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By fearnotruth, February 6, 2011 at 8:59 pm Link to this comment

OM writes: How come your side has all the insightful analysts working for
you? How much does that cost anyway? Is it expensive?

FNT replies: take it easy, Michael, what side you think I’m on anyway?

...of course you got no check, but who you think pays the rent for the big Tea Party
rally halls - who you think pays for Democracy Now? 

from the analysis I follow, Glen Beck looks as divisive as Randi Rhodes - the full
spectrum of the MSM is a rolling psy-op… we’re all being played 24/7
- at day’s end, the important question: qui bono? (who benefits?) 

2 things to never forget:

1. “Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the state.” - James Jesus
Angelton - Director of CIA Counter Intelligence (1954-74)

2. “The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the
major media.” - William Colby - Director of the CIA (1973-76)

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By OzarkMichael, February 6, 2011 at 8:18 pm Link to this comment

Koch’s money and Murdoch’s network made the/i](Tea Party) phenomenon what it is, rather than “...just a lot of us and we cooperated.”

Oh, yeah I forgot to cash my check.

Sorry to report, but insightful analysts are seeing a psy-op distraction target to draw so-called ‘progressives’ into senseless street
fighting over wedge issues

How come your side has all the insightful analysts working for you? How much does that cost anyway? Is it expensive?

All we can afford is psy-op distractions and street wedgies

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By RenZo, February 6, 2011 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

@ GRYM
I agree that never is when Bush will be arrested by the gendarmarie of Geneva, but you did not explain if this was a practical matter only, if US Presidents have de jure/de facto diplomatic immunity (like Pinochet in Britain and Spain, ha ha) or if everyone just winks secretly about behind our backs.

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By Leefeller, February 6, 2011 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment

The left does not have a snowballs chance in hell, with this kind of unhidden partisanship. Discussing the Koch Brothers, FYI:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-koch-brothers-20110206,0,1681069.story

As the democrats look the other way, the people get screwed and it seems screwed quite royalty.

OM; I have been on community action groups trying to gather support and my experience is there are a lot of people who would vote against their own best interests.  Something seems wrong when people can profit from national natural resources and control politics at the same time, but that kind of thinking sounds like socialism.

OM you sound disappointed in the Tea Baggers, the media made them sound like the new cats meow, eluded to by fearnotnow.

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By fearnotruth, February 6, 2011 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

RE: I dont know. it isnt really a matter of organization. The Tea Party is not
highly organized. There are just a lot of us and we cooperated. Maybe it is the
cooperation that you are high-lighting? If so, please notice that the first
political effect of Tea Party cooperation was a rebellion against establishment
Republicans. So take heart.

not to rain on the parade, but Koch’s money and Murdoch’s network made the
phenomenon what it is, rather than “...just a lot of us and we cooperated.” But,
made it what, exactly? Sorry to report, but insightful analysts are seeing a psy-
op distraction target to draw so-called ‘progressives’ into senseless street
fighting over wedge issues that distract us all from the wholesale bankster
fraud and phony, massively profitable, global war of terror
_______________________________
Yes, take heart. In future, when the Republicans dont come through, the Tea
Party will fracture into little pieces. Some will stay Republican. Some will want
to form a real political ‘third’ Party, some might find a Democrat who voices
their concerns. Some will be disheartened and just go home.

please, don’t just go home - team up with Ralph Nader, a real 3rd party
innovator trying to bring under classes together against their common globalist
corporate enemy - if only he could have gotten George Carlin to join his ticket,
could have solved the whole charisma thing so many hold against him
______________________________
...only two years ago that the Left had finally ‘broken through’, and was
beginning to ‘transform this nation’, the transformation would go on ‘for
decades’, to quotes some of the pundits. For a brief time 70% of Americans
approved of the new President, who at the outset was plainly quite Leftist.

exception taken - only running Left cover for the globalist agenda - another in
the rotating role of Puppet POTUS - Wall Street owned and operated -
historically speaking, the so-called ‘left’ finally broke through with FDR’s New
Deal - and in so doing saved the capitalists’ asses - if the under
classes hadn’t gotten something, no telling where things were going…
we saw where they went in Russia and Germany

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By frecklefever, February 6, 2011 at 3:56 pm Link to this comment

THE PICTURE OF BUSH IS PERFECT….THINKING IS HURTING HIS HEAD…

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By Leefeller, February 6, 2011 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

Marshall and GRYM spouses? Holy crap Ardie…..how do you come up with this stuff? Marshall has been on an off for as long as I can remember, (mostly off).  At first I had suspected Marshal of actually being GWB himself,.... but Marshall finally proved himself slightly more intelligent than GWB, more like Cheney.  If indeed GRYM is female and spouse to Marshall,  this is news to me, and actually explains the vast void of logic, between those collective ears, though I would suggest Marshall is obviously the brains of the outfit.

What is with this disturbed duo stuff, I mean we have Martha and whats his name.  I have suspected on occasion some other posters of using different poster names. 

In the grand scheme of things deceptions are nothing new.

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By OzarkMichael, February 6, 2011 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment

Though I see a selfrighteousnesses from both left and right, the right just seems more organized in its unyielding fanatical blindness, hence why one sees the limited success of the Tea Party on the Right and absolutely nothing on the left.

At the end of the day, it makes little difference what the left wants or desires, for the left seems always in flux and the right does not

I dont know. it isnt really a matter of organization. The Tea Party is not highly organized. There are just a lot of us and we cooperated. Maybe it is the cooperation that you are high-lighting? If so, please notice that the first political effect of Tea Party cooperation was a rebellion against establishment Republicans. So take heart.

Yes, take heart. In future, when the Republicans dont come through, the Tea Party will fracture into little pieces. Some will stay Republican. Some will want to form a real political ‘third’ Party, some might find a Democrat who voices their concerns. Some will be disheartened and just go home. 

At the end of the day, it makes little difference what the left wants or desires,

It makes little difference? I disagree. It was only two years ago that the Left had finally ‘broken through’, and was beginning to ‘transform this nation’, the transformation would go on ‘for decades’, to quotes some of the pundits. For a brief time 70% of Americans approved of the new President, who at the outset was plainly quite Leftist.

At the end of the day, it makes little difference what the left wants or desires, for the left seems always in flux and the right does not.

Desires that are not implemented are still the harmony that effects where the tune is going. Besides, do you really think that conservatives have gotten and will get what they want? I am still waiting for Reagan to balance the budget.

At the end of the day…

Let me be merely poetic: There is no “end of the day”, Leefeller. Tomorrow is rather likely. Even a conservative who doesnt like change has to rejoice in it.

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By ardee, February 6, 2011 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael, February 6 at 4:35 pm

Damning with faint praise is a sure sign of something or other I think. Michael. wink

I know you are too smart to have failed to understand your distortion of that article to your own purpose. That is why I linked your name to that of one I find personally detestable for doing exactly as you had just done, but on many,many more occasions, almost every one of her posts in fact.

The criticisms of Palin come from all quarters, even, I would think, from real conservatives as yourself who decry her abysmal ignorance and unthinking non-solutions to real and important issues and problems as much as do moderates and liberals.

I ,for one, feel it important to dialogue with the conservatives, and the moderates as well as liberals and lefties. I always thought you a fair to middling conservative voice here, if only sporadically….there’s that faint praise thingie…..and regret your ,hopefully transient, swim in the mud hole created by GRYM.

Come, let us reason together, obviating a policy of ignoring the derogatory, accusatory and always false, rantings of that representative of an extremely small and extremely useless group. Let her and her husband, Marshall, speak to themselves…..

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By Leefeller, February 6, 2011 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment

OM,

Not sure, but me suspicions have always been that OM tended to be right and now he is feeling a little better at the same time is nice to know?

Recently discovering that I may possibly be politically left instead of politically middle,  my finding the right seldom right makes sense.

It seems when the right makes a mistake (which seems to be never)  or commits an error, doing something blatantly wrong, it is never admitted, especially by using an apology for that is a sure sign of weakness and could very well undermine the strong foundation of rightness. But now I am stereotyping!

Though I see a selfrighteousnesses from both left and right, the right just seems more organized in its unyielding fanatical blindness, hence why one sees the limited success of the Tea Party on the Right and absolutely nothing on the left.

At the end of the day, it makes little difference what the left wants or desires, for the left seems always in flux and the right does not.

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By Jim Michie, February 6, 2011 at 11:41 am Link to this comment
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This sorry son-of-a-b***h, thanks to his successor, Barak Obama, is living the life of luxury with all the trappings of an X-president, when he should be prosecuted in America for his murderous crimes against humanity and his own country!

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By OzarkMichael, February 6, 2011 at 11:35 am Link to this comment

Dear Reader,

Whenever an accusation is made, the accuser must have a heavy balance of facts in his favor. If the accuser only has a few facts in his favor, the accusation really ought to be withdrawn.

In this case, i directly accused the Left of threats of violence to both Palin and other people at the venue.

The facts dont support that direct accusation, and I apologize for saying it. It makes me sad when I am not in the right.

Then i said: All in all a banner day for the Left.

Which it turns out wasnt true. And that makes me feel a little better.

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By justwait, February 6, 2011 at 11:34 am Link to this comment
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Just wait, Obama and Holder won’t be able to be world travelers either.  The law is very clear.  The Geneva Accords are not so quaint.

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By PatrickHenry, February 6, 2011 at 11:08 am Link to this comment

Switzerland holds people accountable, unless you are Roman Polanski.

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By Leefeller, February 6, 2011 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

Hey maybe someone could conjure up a ticket to Switzerland for Cheney, hell I will even donate a few bucks. Guess, there are places in this world where accountability is real?

Does Switzerland have a Tea Party?  Oh .... I believe the Swiss are educated?

Wonder how the Swiss economy is doing?

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By Go Right Young Man, February 6, 2011 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

Hey DBM, - “Coming across as less of an asshole should not excuse [Obama’s] culpability.”

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Correct.  If the issue is rendition to the U.S., or extraordinary rendition to a foreign country, one would be forced to include President Clinton as well. - Never happen.

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By ardee, February 6, 2011 at 7:39 am Link to this comment

OzarkMichael, February 6 at 3:25 am Link to this comment

In related news today, Sarah Palin had to cancel a speech because of threats of violence to both her and other people at the venue.

So, are you now channeling GRYM with this suspect and deceptive bit of commentary?

The organisation in question, according to your own link, has about two grand in the bank, accomplishes nothing, couldn’t sell any tickets to this event and thus canceled it, wrapping up with this:


“The news release, which was issued by the Pacheco foundation about 4 p.m. Saturday, said that no “direct threats have been made against anyone, but the recent increase in negative rhetoric against the former Alaska governor raises concern for her safety and the safety of others.”

Gee Michael, I know you are on the wrong side of left here, so to speak, but I had come to expect better of you.

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By DBM, February 6, 2011 at 7:15 am Link to this comment

Hey Go Right ...

I’m not sure I follow this concern with the UN and the Security Council.  If Bush is in Switzerland they can presumably arrest him and try him.  The fear for a U.S. president is that Switzerland is one country that is very hard to pressure.  They don’t get “aid” (to the best of my knowledge) and their banks are stronger than the American banks (thanks in no small part to the American taxpayer bailing them out through AIG) so they are very had to pressure financially. 

It would be more newsworthy than the arrest of Pinochet in Britain but I expect would fall in the same category legally.

As for Obama ... well, someone here has mentioned continued rendition and, as you say, drone attacks of individuals are much like targeted extra-judicial killings (with “collateral damage” but hey they’re poor brown people).  The difference is probably only semantics and legal.  Bush and Cheney specifically ordered a change of policy broking laws the U.S. had on its own books after signing international treaties agreeing to them.  This puts them in a particularly difficult position legally. 

In my opinion, Obama should have to show a much greater effort to bring the country in line with its own and international law in order to avoid similar prosecution.  I suspect that that is not the case.  Coming across as less of an asshole should not excuse his culpability.

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By samosamo, February 6, 2011 at 4:37 am Link to this comment

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Of course we have this from the organizers of the trip:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2011/02/201126633
31735188.html

““Organisers say the move was made on security grounds and
not because of criminal complaints against him in Swiss courts.”“

Well, time will tell. If he does get into Switzerland and isn’t
arrested then we know where the swiss stand on global justice: if
you are a part of the whole coterie of disasters and criminality of
global terrorism especially from u.s., you get a free pass. I
imagine that is where switzerland may stand.

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By Peter Knopfler, February 6, 2011 at 1:37 am Link to this comment

BUSH IN THE BUSHES AND THE BURNING BUSH ONCE MORE.
Crawford ranch is the only place for me! HOME SWEET
HOME!  How much of this reality penetrates this bush
brain or no brainer, “Yes I torture, Yes do it again”
“my legal dept, I´m not a lawyer only a liar.” KARMA is
a GLOBAL EVENT. back to the OK Ranch, hire some more
illegal Mexicans!

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By samosamo, February 6, 2011 at 12:47 am Link to this comment

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I saw that, where come politico club canceled poor little old
sarah as keynote speaker because of all the negative feedback it
caused.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/02/palin-
canceled-as-keynote-speaker-for.html

Promiscuously appropo for her. She’ll still probably get a big
check for the cancelation so I don’t see why she could get upset
if she ever did. After all her main political ambitions is to gain
significantly from ostensible political panderings.

Strange that hubby todd just doesn’t appear much in these sarah
moments, tends to put a dark cloud on the ‘palin’ family values
motif.

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By fearnotruth, February 5, 2011 at 11:23 pm Link to this comment

RE: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_17304920

All in all a banner day for the Left.

wrong

one more looser for the citizenry - another divisive incident - from the article:

The event sponsored by the Sharon K. Pacheco Foundation was announced Friday but
was canceled today due to “safety concerns resulting from an onslaught of negative feedback
received by the organization,” the press release said.

“Due to an onslaught of personal attacks against Gov. Palin and others associated with her
appearance, it is with deep sadness and disappointment that, in the best interest of all, we
cancel the event for safety concerns,” the release said.

that’s it - no threat of ‘violence’ reported, though we get ‘safety concerns’ - several dozen
comments on the Denver Post article reveal the ratcheting-up of L-vs-R vitriol incited by the
‘incident’ - analysis: mission accomplished

next week Randi Rhodes will talk it up for at least 3 hours, inflaming her sycophants, who
can’t see Palin for the useful fool she is - wouldn’t be surprised to learn the cancellation was
for something else and the opportunity was seized upon to run some low-level agitprop

this is the way we’re played, folks, 24/7 - keep the under classes fighting in the streets while
the oligarchs screw us all

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By Inherit The Wind, February 5, 2011 at 10:33 pm Link to this comment

Hey, Jawge! Extraordinary Rendition’s a bitch, ain’t it?

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By OzarkMichael, February 5, 2011 at 10:25 pm Link to this comment

In related news today, Sarah Palin had to cancel a speech because of threats of violence to both her and other people at the venue.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_17304920

All in all a banner day for the Left.

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By RayLan, February 5, 2011 at 10:09 pm Link to this comment

If there weren’t some valid reasons , he wouldn’t be afraid - he is stupid, but not suicidal.

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By Anna-Marina, February 5, 2011 at 9:57 pm Link to this comment
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What have Bush done to endear so much the Keren Hayesod (the United Israel Appeal)? There should be something that made him loved by the foreign country, unlike by the US citizens at large.

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By PatrickHenry, February 5, 2011 at 9:33 pm Link to this comment

I’m sure Bush worries about his ‘legacy’.

Pinoche, Noriega & Milsovich though they were immune too.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1998-10-22/news/1998295090_1_chile-pinochet-diplomatic-immunity

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By Marc Schlee, February 5, 2011 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment
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Snif, Snif…


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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By fearnotruth, February 5, 2011 at 9:04 pm Link to this comment

RE: I’m certain Bush spends no time worrying about arrest.

hard to say, he seems paranoid; but agreed, lawyers in service to the world’s War Criminals do
their homework, know the score

Reuters is trying to bump sales on sensationalism, the score be damned (what’s new?) - 
nevertheless, the way this plays in the court of ‘world opinion’ will give those who hate the
Bush Crime Family some measure of satisfaction

they should, of course, be cautioned - renditon policies are still as inhume and at day’s end, each
Puppet POTUS only ‘carries water’ for the Global Financiers, the real ruling Oligarchy, any of
whom would summarily dismiss the little POTUS from table for farting without permission - to
be clear, the reference is to those so rich, the editors of FORTUNE Magazine are proscribed
from even breathing their names

to be sure, the classic Nuremberg Defense (just following orders) would never hold up; but, as
rightly pointed out, the world’s War Criminals, are sworn to protecting one another

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By Anna-Marina, February 5, 2011 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment
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What have Bush done to endear so much the Keren Hayesod (the United Israel Appeal)? There should be something that made him loved by a foreign country, unlike by the US citizens at large.

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By Go Right Young Man, February 5, 2011 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

RenZo,

You’ll find within the United Nations a set of diplomatic protocols prohibiting any signatory nation from dismissing diplomatic immunity.  The most a member nation can legally do is deny passage and “compel” departures.  Former U.S. Presidents included.

These diplomatic mandates have been tested many times.  Arresting or detaining President Bush, in any manner or form, would take an unanimous decision by China, Russia, Britain and France.  I believe that will never happen.

Whatever this is, this “news” item is not about President Bush fearing arrest.  Anywhere.

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I wrote previously that some things will never happen.  Never is, of course, a long time.  So I’ll put it this way; not while President Obama is continuing with the very policies President Bush is supposedly under indictment for, not while China is brutally oppressing and starving millions, not while Russia is tear-assing around the globe killing and torturing it’s own enemies, not while France is so intractably linked to the United States and Britain shares that “special relationship” with the U.S., and not while India and Germany call themselves Western allies will President Bush, or anyone else in his administration, see the inside of a jail cell or court room. - I would say that’s just this side of never.

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It matters none if one is a Bush critic or supporter.  It’s a global issue. 

Setting aside the legal issues; it is not in the best interest of any of the five permanent and ten temporary members of the Security Council to have President Bush arrested. Switzerland will not be willing, ultimately, to take on the entire Security Council.

I’m certain Bush spends no time worrying about arrest.

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You are wrong berniem. The torturers of Japan were NOT brought to the Bar of Justice. Just ask the survivors of their medical experiments in China and Britain. Their experiments were just like what happened in Germany and Poland. They were biological and freezing for the most part. They would tie civilians and POWs to stakes and shoot shells with bio-weapons near them, and see how long it took them to die. They would spray towns with viruses and bacterial diseases, and see who died. The would freeze POWs to see what happened. The floated balloons with anthrax over the US, causing the death of civilians in Oregon, California and Georgia. Nobody was charged with these war crimes, or can be, because it is in a treaty with Japan. British POWs have tried, and have been thrown out of court, their government entering the case against them.

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By fearnotruth, February 5, 2011 at 7:34 pm Link to this comment

RE: ...only US President to condone torture. He is not.

hear, hear!

as I wrote, “...Obama - waiting to see
how human rights watchdogs will deal with him”

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By berniem, February 5, 2011 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment

I guess the only way to bring our governing criminals to justice is to be thoroughly defeated in war a la Japan, Germany, and,oh yes, Iraq and have the victors hold the trials. Or maybe if our own leaders had the integrity (or maybe not have the desire to emulate their predesessors) they could undertake such action as an example for the good of the nation. Maybe ordinary people would have more respect for the law and our prisons less crowded if they believed that it applied equitably to all!

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By Aaron Ortiz, February 5, 2011 at 7:27 pm Link to this comment

Condemning Bush would be fine if he were the only US President to condone
torture. He is not.

When you ignore facts, justice only a popularity contest, or a kangaroo court

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By samosamo, February 5, 2011 at 7:27 pm Link to this comment

****************

 

HEY, w, SEND LAURA!

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By RenZo, February 5, 2011 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment

Furthermore, depending on the way the statutes are written or interpreted in the host country, national laws which confer universal jurisdiction (i.e. España) might allow for arrest and prosecution even of ‘immune’ individuals.

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By RenZo, February 5, 2011 at 7:00 pm Link to this comment

@ GRYM
“-Current and former U.S. Presidents have diplomatic immunity which can only be reversed with an unanimous vote in the United Nations Security Council.”

Without seeming to agree with your assertion I would like to know what you believe is the basis for this opinion of fact? Is it because US Presidents always are given diplomatic passports to travel abroad? Do you think the Vienna Conventions confer this as a matter of law? Or do you think the world is just very sophisticated? Or maybe just afraid of US wrath?

US Presidents traveling privately might have their “diplomatic status” challenged by the host country, or any country through which they passed, even in transit.

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By fearnotruth, February 5, 2011 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment

RE: ...President Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowits, Colin Powell, or Dick
Cheney nobody will be going to jail. - Never happen.  And all of the above know it
well.

agreed, probably not within ‘US boarders’  (one aspect of the article) and probably
not within our lifetimes… though ‘never’ is a long, long time…
Tausendjähriges ReichNuremberg?

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By Go Right Young Man, February 5, 2011 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment

While questions should always be asked, and the U.S. President on-down held accountable, this threat of arrest and prosecution will never happen.  I am fairly certain George Bush holds no fear of being arrested.  This so-called news story only keeps the chatter alive as a fund raising utility for a few groups.  Very few, however, will be talking about this Monday morning.

-Current and former U.S. Presidents have diplomatic immunity which can only be reversed with an unanimous vote in the United Nations Security Council. - Never happen. Not on water-boarding three individuals as described by the CIA and, not on globally practiced renditions.

-Any arrest and prosecution of an U.S. President opens possible arrests and prosecutions for all members of the Security Council including China, Russia, Britain and France. - Never happen.

-The current U.S. President has continued with, and in many cases strengthened and gone beyond, Bush era security protocols. - Rendition, Domestic Signal Intelligence, Guantanamo, “enhanced interrogations”, the Patriot Act and, with the ten-fold increase in drone attacks, amounting to summary executions, the U.S. Justice Dept. will never, repeat never, talk of prosecuting any individual in the CIA, Dept. of Defense, State Dept. or White House. Not for any of the above protocols. - Never happen.

Agree or disagree, like or dislike President Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowits, Colin Powell, or Dick Cheney nobody will be going to jail. - Never happen.  And all of the above know it well.

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By Kanamachi, February 5, 2011 at 6:12 pm Link to this comment

Leave it to other nations to actually give power to action in demanding
accountability when in the US, they only talk about it and do nothing.

It is, nonetheless, a little satisfying to hear that Bush may be stuck in Texas
forever. That alone is a sort of sentence in and of itself.

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By RenZo, February 5, 2011 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment

Most excellent. At the very very least, it keeps the subject of his crimes in the news, in the public awareness and open as an international issue. Now how about civil suits for what he did to us back home?

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By Jon, February 5, 2011 at 4:38 pm Link to this comment
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Oh, throw caution to the winds and go, George! And bring me back a picture of the Matterhorn, okay?

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By fearnotruth, February 5, 2011 at 4:36 pm Link to this comment

Carter, of course, was the ‘good cop’ puppet, like Clinton and Obama - waiting to
see how human rights watchdogs will deal with him

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By Lisa Andrews, February 5, 2011 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment
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It is terrible this man will not be accountable for his
actions dealing with Iraq!! Payback is indeed a bitch, but
it don’t mean a thing if a person is not punished for his lying!!

The truth does come to the light and every dog has his day!!

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By PatrickHenry, February 5, 2011 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment

Too bad we have to have other countries hold our past elected officials accountable.

Carter would never have this sword over his head.

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