Virginia777, May 8 at 11:52 pm,

If TDoff is talking satire, he definitely isn’t good at it.  He should
spend some time listening to Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart.

thethirdman:

“We haven’t valued quality education in a long time.”

True. Especially not for all children.

MarthaA:

“Logic??  Need some.”

His comment was called Satire.

It was funny and dead-on.

TDoff, May 7 at 5:35 pm,

“…but I have none to spare. ” —TDoff, May 7 at 5:35 pm

True, you have no logic.

Why don’t politicians ever get laid off? Do you think that if no one voted for any of them that would equal a lay off? I firmly believe that the problem is not to much government; its too many politicians replacing dedicated public civil service employees with private sector patronage skewed toward aiding and abetting the taking over of the commons and overall control of governance and public safety by an unaccountable and legally insulated corporatocracy that sees the role of government as nothing more than an expediter and enforcer of it’s directive. Corporate capitalism is a corrupt enterprise and like all such entities will eventually topple and, unfortunately, take us asll with it!

MarthaA…Your need is obvious. It’s brave of you to admit it. I hope you develop some…but I have none to spare.

TDoff, May 7 at 12:55 pm,

Logic??  Need some.

This may turn out to be a good thing. Six thousand teachers fired means thousands less kids will get adequate schooling. Those kids can bypass all that ‘education BS’, and start their careers early. That will give them a jump on all the dullards left behind in school.

By the time the kids left behind in school get out, the jump-starters will be making heavy bucks, wheelin’ and especially dealin’, and they’ll be buying politicians and judges by the handsfull. They’ll be the new ‘Powers-that-Be’, the Koch Bros. of their generation, dumber-than-a-bush, but rich.

thethirdman, May 7 at 11:11 am,

We need to hear from the teachers.

This is a great example of people spouting off about things they know very
little about.
We hear the words “teachers laid off” and our minds jump to some kind of
sinister corporate campaign aimed at dismantling public services.  “Teachers,”
“children,” “union” are the magic words of the left that are used in the same
way that “family values,” “big government,” and “taxes” are used by the right.
I am a firm believer that at the end of the day, we tend to the things we value
most.  It’s not even that controversial that we (collectively, and demonstrated by
our actions) do not value public education for the masses.  I know parents that
are very concerned about their children’s development and take a major role
supplementing the weak education their kids receive.  They recognize that
educating their children is not the duty of the state.
But for all the commenters here, do you know anything about NYC public
schools?  They are a disaster of the first degree. What if those 6000 teachers
actually are redundant? And not redundant in corporate speak, but actually
redundant, not needed, not worth the value they add?  Is it possible to lay off
anyone these days?  If Bloomberg, not my favorite politician, really is trimming
the fat, than what is the beef?

Queenie, May 6 at 8:56 pm,

Private capitalism sees no need to sublate community and private
interests. Never have—Never will.  Something is sublated only in so
far as it has entered
into unity with its opposite.  X = X is the most basic example of
sublation.

When you are talking about propaganda you are only talking
about X on one side of the equasion that does not have an
equivalent value on the opposite side of the equasion. 

When you are talking about dialectic you are talking about X on
one side of the equasion being equivalent and unified as equal on
both sides of the equasion.

Since this thread is about the teaching
profession and this is based upon academic
understanding, it would seem that teachers
would be able to respond to the concept of the
unity of balance, since that unity has enabled all
logical and mathematical understanding that
presently exists in the academic world.

If teachers deny logic, should they whine and
grumble when benefit is denied to them on the
basis of that same denial of logic.

Tragic.

Well, maybe the teachers can get $5.50 an hour jobs at charter schools that are popping up all over like pimples on the arsehole of progress.

thethirdman, May 6 at 4:59 pm,

Who is the “we” you are talking about?

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Here’s a billionaire many times over and now he goes into
austerity mode culling out teachers. How in hell do the people
of nyc expect to get anything done worthwhile when they keep
electing the elite to watch the hen house. Wonder how many
more billions old bloomers will have gathered to himself
before he leaves office. NYC, you deserve what you get.

Or they are simply not needed in this particular circumstance.  We haven’t valued
quality education in a long time.  Let’s not pretend we do now.

So, apparently teachers are peasants and not considered to be a
part of the Neo Middle Class.