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Bin Laden Family Threatens to Go to International Criminal Court

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Posted on May 10, 2011
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A press statement attributed to Osama bin Laden’s fourth son, who, the BBC reports, “has repeatedly distanced himself from his father’s ideology,” demands to know “why our father was not arrested and tried but summarily executed without a court of law,” unlike Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Milosevic.

This question has been carefully raised by a few thoughtful commentators, notably Glenn Greenwald, who draws a distinction between a man’s character and the rule of law in a free society.

In addition to challenging the United States over its professed values, the bin Laden family letter demands proof that Osama bin Laden is really dead, condemns his burial at sea, calls for the return of the al-Qaida leader’s family and threatens to pursue the matter in international courts.

Meanwhile President Obama’s job approval rating continues to climb after receiving a huge initial bump after the bin Laden killing.  —PZS

The statement is reprinted below as it appeared in The New York Times:

Statement from the family of Sheikh Osama bin Laden

I Omar Ossama Binladin and my brothers the lawful children and heirs of the Ossama Binladin (OBL) have noted wide coverage of the news of the death of our father, but we are not convinced on the available evidence in the absence of dead body, photographs, and video evidence that our natural father is dead. Therefore, with this press statement, we seek such conclusive evidence to believe the stories published in relation to 2 May 2011 operation Geronimo as declared by the President of United States Barrack Hussein Obama in his speech that he authorized the said operation and killing of OBL and later confirmed his death.

If OBL has been killed in that operation as President of United States has claimed then we are just in questioning as per media reports that why an unarmed man was not arrested and tried in a court of law so that truth is revealed to the people of the world. If he has been summarily executed then, we question the propriety of such assassination where not only international law has been blatantly violated but USA has set a very different example whereby right to have a fair trial, and presumption of innocence until proven guilty by a court of law has been sacrificed on which western society is built and is standing when a trial of OBL was possible for any wrongdoing as that of Iraqi President Sadam Hussein and Serbian President Slobodan Miloševic’. We maintain that arbitrary killing is not a solution to political problems and crime’s adjudication as Justice must be seen to be done.

It is also unworthy of the special forces to shoot unarmed female family members of Binladen killing a female and that of one of his son.

Most importantly, when it is a common knowledge that OBL’s family is residing at one place outside KSA, why they were not contacted to receive his dead body. His sudden and un witnessed burial at sea has deprived the family of performing religious rights of a Muslim man.

Finally, now that the operation is concluded we wish the Government of Pakistan to release and hand over all minors of the family and all the family members are reunited at one place and are repatriated to their country of origin, especially female members of the family to avoid further oppression and we seek international support to that effect.

Without agreeing to the ways of OBL as to how he professed, believed and operated, We Omar Ossama Binladin, and my brothers, the lawful children of the Ossama Binladin (OBL) herewith demand an inquiry under UNO to reach to the accuracy of the facts as stated by United States into the fundamental question as to why our father was not arrested and tried but summarily executed without a court of law. We are putting these questions to the United Nations, OIC, President of United States that a necessary evidence is presented to the family in private and or public to make us believe what they claim, and all the remaining family members are repatriated and united after necessary initial investigation.

In making this statement, we want to remind the world that Omar Ossam Binladin, the fourth-born son of our father, always disagreed with our father regarding any violence and always sent messages to our father, that he must change his ways and that no civilians should be attacked under any circumstances.  Despite the difficulty of publicly disagreeing with our father, he never hesitated to condemn any violent attacks made by anyone, and expressed sorrow for the victims of any and all attacks.  As he condemned our father, we now condemn the president of the United States for ordering the execution of unarmed men and women.

Failure to answer these questions will force us to go to International forum for justice such as International Criminal Court and International Court of Justice and UN must take notice of the violation of international law and assist us to have answers for which we are lawful in seeking them. A panel of eminent British and international lawyers is being constituted and a necessary action may be taken if no answers are furnished within 30 days of this statement.

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By Paul W, May 12, 2011 at 4:24 am Link to this comment
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This is all about an entangled set of rights. The Bin Laden family are right when they say that Osama’s rights are not annihilated by his crimes against the Three Thousand (and so many others) but that’s as far as it goes. The right to life is protected under civilian law, but by taking up arms (through his lieutenants) Osama brought himself under military jurisdiction. Ideally, he should have been arrested, indicted, tried, convicted, and punished under civilian laws (which is what the US say they were hoping to do) because his military actions were themselves outside the rule of international law - not authorised by the UN. But under military law, as a combatant evading capture, he was lawfully liable to be killed. There do remain some questions about the technical legality of the US incursion into Pakistan, but as long as the government there retrospectively condones it, there can be no complaint on that basis. The family’s rights must come second to the military necessity, which is a matter of public safety. Let us leave aside the question of the legitmacy of the government of Pakistan.

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By drbhelthi, May 12, 2011 at 12:16 am Link to this comment

“ Remember the 3,000 citizens of the United States who were annihilated by Osama bin
Laden on 9/11? “  “Has he written a single word about any of the hundreds of
thousands of citizens of Afghanistan or Iraq or Pakistan or the United States who
were slaughtered by his mentally ill father? “ 
by Gil (unregistered commenter)
Simply, more disinformative fairy tale from a non-registered commenter.

Verified, factual information follows:
- The approx. 3,000 victims represented several nations, not only the U.S.;
- The F.B.I. found no evidence that Osama bin Laden was involved in 9-11;
- The F.B.I. notified European intelligence that a Cruise Missile hit the pentagon;
- The concept of mental illness ? 
What about the millions in foreign countries slaughtered by the total U.S. Military
during the over 35-yr period of which GHWBushSr was the secretive administrator of
the CIA,
plus
the Bush presidency 2000-2008,                           
plus                                                                                              
the currently amplified continuation by the illegal occupant of the U.S.Presidency?         
The murdered were citizens of “3rd world countries, who had not attacked the U.S.A.
(see The Chronicles of Chip Tatum);
(see the videos of former CIA station chief John Stockwell)

If the leadership of the 3rd world countries under unwarranted attack by the
U.S.GOV, the Israeli MOSSAD and N.A.T.O. were not on-the-take from the CIA/USGOV,
they all would have petitioned the “World Court” years ago.

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By Marshall, May 11, 2011 at 8:56 pm Link to this comment

By christian96, May 10 at 9:27 pm Link to this comment

<skipping gratuitous ad hominem…> “Could we have gotten more information
from Osama Bin Laden dead or alive?”

Unquestionably alive, and its unfortunate it didn’t work out that way.  But I’m not
shedding many tears over the way it did work out.

btw - don’t see you backing up your fake quote.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 11, 2011 at 8:20 pm Link to this comment

PHenry,

For your viewing pleasure.

http://www.sesamestreet.org/

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By Cliff Carson, May 11, 2011 at 7:43 pm Link to this comment

The problem with waiving the Rule of Law to prosecute those we dislike is that is diminishes the Rule of Law for everyone.  If we believe in this rule, we are obligated to also provide that Rule of Law to those we despise the most.

“Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be one.”    Marcus Aurelius

“The morality of a Society is measured by how the strongest in the Society treat the weakest of the Society.”  Don’t know who said that but it sounds true.

It is high time America stops killing for Corporate Profits.  Our Government has killed millions since WWII as a profit fountain for the Corporations, all the time claiming falsely to be the Moral Conscious of the Worlds people.

We can be a moral and caring Nation - but only if we choose to be.

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By PatrickHenry, May 11, 2011 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment

Mike789,

I doubt having a public trial of OBL would cost additional lives of innocents as you state.  In targeting Bin Laden for assassination and not for trial in court, we have undermined our foundation as a civilized nation of internationally recognized laws.

While it may preempt American idol for a couple of days, I can not think of a better reality court TV subject. 

A public trial could have brought closure to many 9/11 issues and open the door to public commissions on the culpability and involvment of members of ours and others governments or at the minimum put some of these incredulous claims to rest.


GRYM,

For your reading pleasure.

http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/allposts/u-s-government-musters-squads-of-propaganda-comment-trolls

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By reynolds, May 11, 2011 at 5:08 pm Link to this comment

name two, kewpie.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 11, 2011 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

Wake up, DavidByron.

This is why I have always said that the views on this site represent the miniscule minority.

Yes, Mr. Byron, bin Laden declared war on the United States in 1996.  Right around the time he was involved in bombing several hundred civilians, then two U.S. Embassies, then the U.S.S. Cole, followed by targeted attacks on the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and likely the White House. - It’s been referred to as “War” for several thousand years.

It’s safe to say that in light of bin Laden’s actions he at least believed he was at war with several nation states.  Not the least of which included the United States.  Regardless of your beliefs.

-By the way: Assassinations by foreign entities happen on U.S. soil regularly.  At times the U.S. protests.  Other times the U.S. lets it pass.

Pakistan’s very public protests are for domestic consumption.  They know well what war looks like.

-

You have an interesting fixation on the penis.  I’ll not take up any more of your time.

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By DavidByron, May 11, 2011 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

“America is not a member of the ICC.

Yes, well more to the point, Pakistan is not, but since Pakistan’s courts have not yet refused to take the case themselves, its moot.

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By reynolds, May 11, 2011 at 2:46 pm Link to this comment

because you haven’t met shenonymouth.

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By DavidByron, May 11, 2011 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man sounds like a poster-child for American ignorance and egoism.  A true moron, salt of the earth.  Shit for brains and never question anything he’s programed with.  A patriot!

“Osama bin Laden declared war, very specifically, on the United States.”

And because you’re a total retard you are thinking that if an individual makes such a statement it has any validity?  That’s like you saying you have a 3 inch dick and it becoming true.

“In the context of war shooting bin Laden was legal.”

What war?  Are you under the impression the US is at war with Pakistan?  Are you saying you’d be happy if foreign countries sent their military into the US to bump off Americans they didn’t like?

“Not only is this legal but also likely accepted by 80% of the planet.”

Maybe 80% of the voices in your head.

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By reynolds, May 11, 2011 at 2:33 pm Link to this comment

back to the kewpie, old man

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By Go Right Young Man, May 11, 2011 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

Context

Osama bin Laden declared war, very specifically, on the United States.

In the context of war shooting bin Laden was legal.  Not only is this legal but also likely accepted by 80% of the planet.  Even while unarmed.

Aside from small gatherings of people, not unlike Web sites such as this, we would all be hard pressed to find many human beings that will look on the death of bin Laden and come away stymied in how he met his end.  The majority will, very naturally, think to themselves….“well…yeah that makes sense”.

-

I hold little pause in dropping a cruise missile on Dr. Zawahiri’s head.  U.S. Special Forces, of course, would be more precise.  Less collateral damage.

If I knew where Dr. Zawahiri was I would call the CIA immediately, drop my mobile, and move myself 600 meters away as quickly as possible.

The context is war and the many thousands of Muslim deaths Zawahiri has caused.

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By reynolds, May 11, 2011 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment

only 2500? is it about body count? can slaughter be
excused because everyone is doing it?

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By Captain Dan Hanley - Whistleblowing Airline Employ, May 11, 2011 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment
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Read this:  http://www.airline-whistleblowers.org/Osama_OpEd.html

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By DavidByron, May 11, 2011 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

“Remember the 3,000 citizens of the United States
who were annihilated by Osama bin Laden on 9/11?”

Never happened.  A little less than 2500 perhaps.  That’s about what the US kills on a a daily basis.

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By DavidByron, May 11, 2011 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

Good luck getting any justice from Amerika.

He’s lucky those evil bastards didn’t kill or torture him too, just for the hell of it.

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By reynolds, May 11, 2011 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

there is no rule of law, but law of rule.

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By Lafayette, May 11, 2011 at 9:46 am Link to this comment

CELEBRITY TIME

PZS: Osama bin Laden’s fourth son, who, the BBC reports, “has repeatedly distanced himself from his father’s ideology,” demands to know “why our father was not arrested and tried but summarily executed without a court of law,” unlike Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Milosevic.

It is not surprising that at least one of ObL’s offspring should now want to “demand” due-process of law since he sired as many as 26 children.

Unfortunately, that avenue would have been largely impossible. Due Process where? In Afghanistan? Laughable. So, how do they arrest him according to “due-process”? It would have required complicity of the Pakistani government. Just requesting that from the Pakistanis would have got ObL back up into the mountains of Waziristan just a few hours away. I’ll bet he had a hideout prepared for just such a circumstance.

At the International Criminal Court (ICC)? The US is not signatory to the treaty that established the ICC. So, No. 3 son will have to make his request to an American court.

In an American court he would likely have been found guilty and then jailed - only to create a living shrine dedicated to himself - with admirers across the world hating the US for prisoning “their martyr-hero”.

Which then would be used for propaganda purposes to enthuse Muslim freak-heads to join the cause and become a “martyr” like him. That is, by killing innocent people.

ObL sired as many as 26 children. It was therefore highly probable that at least one of them would want to steal his 15 minutes of celeb-time.

Enjoy it, bozo.

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By Sock De Jour, May 11, 2011 at 8:57 am Link to this comment
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America is not a member of the ICC.

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By TDoff, May 11, 2011 at 7:42 am Link to this comment

As several here have pointed out, the reason bin Laden was not permitted to live, and especially not stand in a public trial, was the truths he would have revealed would have exceeded the Wikileaks in damaging the status quo of US public ignorance about him, US foreign policy, the inanity of the US ‘Israel Uber Alles’ alliance in terms of world peace, and the lies continuously told by US powers-that-be to maintain their plutocracy and control of this facade of a ‘democracy’, lies mindlessly repeated in US MSM, which is owned and controlled by the plutocrats.

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By Fred LaMotte, May 11, 2011 at 7:16 am Link to this comment

Bin Laden killed his thousands, Bush killed his thousands of thousands. Any trial would bring out the absurd double standard: Bush killed far more innocent civilians in Iraq than bin laden killed anywhere.

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By BBFmail, May 11, 2011 at 6:42 am Link to this comment

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/05/final-word-on-bin-laden-hoax.html

A Final Word on the Bin Laden Hoax
Tony Cartalucci, Contributing Writer
Activist Post

Bangkok, Thailand May 7, 2011 - The “Bin Laden” hoax is consuming our time and energy even as the global corporate-financier oligarchs flee forward cashing in on the political capital they presume they have gained by making this announcement. Even a superficial examination of mainstream media’s headlines and interviews with the CIA director himself calls into question the official narrative with mind numbing contradictions and faulty logic even a child could spot.

The CIA itself is only 95% sure, based on facial recognition, that they bagged their rogue agent. A London Guardian report compounds this uncertainty stating that the CIA compared the alleged DNA of this man they claim to have shot dead in Pakistan, not with a previous sample from Osama Bin Laden, but against a Bin Laden family member. If we are to believe any of this at all, the CIA is not even saying they are 100% sure, so why should we be?


“We were never really certain about whether or not Bin Laden was there.”

Stripping further credibility away, was CIA Director Leon Panetta’s interview on PBS where he begins by saying the CIA had no evidence and were entirely uncertain Osama Bin Laden was even in the compound to begin with. According to a Washington Post article, the CIA claims to have had a nearby safe house from which they observed the alleged compound for months. They also confirm that not a single photo or shred of evidence was revealed throughout the course of this lengthy surveillance mission that the elusive, bearded mastermind was present.

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By Gil, May 11, 2011 at 6:16 am Link to this comment
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The temerity of Omar bin Laden matches that of his father.  The atrocities
committed by the father were all done as a very real leader of warfare, a
combatant though in hiding for ten years.  Warfare combatants are killed. 
Omar should watch all the promotional videos that his father circulated about
the world during the past ten years while he was leading his ugly war from
hiding.  War is about killing.  Remember the 3,000 citizens of the United States
who were annihilated by Osama bin Laden on 9/11?  Remember the property
destroyed?  And this brazen son of bin Laden dares to speak of justice!  Where
has he been hiding for the past ten years instead of bringing his father to
justice?  Omar bin Laden doesn’t fool anyone.  He only wants to canonize his
father by now making a ritual spectacle of his death.  And that is the very
reason for the wisdom of burying Osama bin Laden at sea.  If any members of al
Quaeda or the Taliban had succeeded in killing David Petraeus or any of the
other leaders of the combatant forces in Afghanistan or Iraq, would Omar bin
Laden be writing the same demands for justice for them?  Has he written a
single word about any of the hundreds of thousands of citizens of Afghanistan
or Iraq or Pakistan or the United States who were slaughtered by his mentally ill
father?  Omar bin Laden needs to return to school or a mosque to learn about
the justice that Islam preaches, not his or his father’s distorted versions.

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By Gil, May 11, 2011 at 5:43 am Link to this comment
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Good!  That will be the next best thing to getting that mad murderer there himself. 
We missed Hitler at Nuremberg, don’t forget.

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By Mike789, May 11, 2011 at 5:24 am Link to this comment

Patrick Henry ~ I concur that in an idealized world OBL deserved a day in court. However, as Jeff Greenfield of the WP, in an interview on PBS, made plain, (referencing his column that attempts to reconstruct history with an assumption that Bin Laden was captured), to do so, in a prolonged trial process, would surely cause the deaths of many more innocents. Interesting read:

[http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/what-if-bin-laden-had-been-captured-not-killed-an-alternate-history/2011/05/05/AFl7EO8F_story.html]

Personally, I could care less about OBL. A sociopath who has finally found his proper place in perdition; he gave no rights to 3000 + innocents. I don’t want to hear another word from his jihad propagandist pie-hole. I would not trust him to not have donned an explosive vest. I do not know what he has rigged in a dimly lit room. Don’t desist? Split seconds. Good bye OBL. I don’t have time to argue idiological points of view with a fiend. He’s not worth our time.

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By PatrickHenry, May 11, 2011 at 3:14 am Link to this comment

In the true form of U.S. justice, one will sit in jail 3 or 4 years awaiting trial unless you are a celebrity or high profile case, then you will have court right away.

OBL, while not the most liked of people, deserved his day in court.  The USG is continuing to cross the rubicon from a society based on the rule of law to one ruled by lawyers.

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By Claus-Erik Hamle, May 11, 2011 at 1:55 am Link to this comment
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The US is a banana republic. Obama is a war criminal, even worse than Bush. There´s no evidence linking OBL to 9/11. Probably, there were no terrorists on board. They can go by remote control. Anyway, Niels Harrit,Uni of Copenhagen, and 8 more scientists found nano-thermite in the dust from WTC. Did OBL have access to nano-thermite ?

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By Nozferatu, May 11, 2011 at 12:24 am Link to this comment

Had Bin Laden had a chance to speak, he’d have implicated all the aholes from the US and UK who frequented the past and present administrations as his buddies…we can’t have that.

What a farce this entire thing is..what a farce…bend of you dumb Americans and take it like good children.

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By drbhelthi, May 11, 2011 at 12:06 am Link to this comment

“I hope he wasn’t educated at West Point.  I’d like to think those teaching at West Point possess more intelligence than this man.” May 10 at 7:14 pm christian96

A very clean thought.
However.
The instructors had no control over the thoughts of their instructees either prior to or after their brief instruction.  Just as being jailed or imprisoned cures no criminal mind.

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By drbhelthi, May 10, 2011 at 11:55 pm Link to this comment

I suspect this letter is as fictitious as the hollywood production of last week by the central office of B.H.Obama.

If this is a genuine letter by the heirs of Osama bin Laden, how much were they paid by officials of the USGOV to post it?

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By drbhelthi, May 10, 2011 at 11:45 pm Link to this comment

I suspect this letter is as fictitious as the hollywood production of last week by the central office of B.H.Obama. 

If this is a genuine letter by the heirs of Osama bin Laden, how much were they paid by officials of the USGOV to post it?

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By christian96, May 10, 2011 at 9:27 pm Link to this comment

Marshall—-I suggest you go to an ear, nose, and
throat doctor for a check-up.  There is something
oviously wrong with your senses.  By the way, it
wouldn’t hurt to see a Psychologist for an evaluation
of your narcistic tendecies.  Who made you God? 
Could we have gotten more information from Osama Bin
Laden dead or alive?

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By tony_opmoc, May 10, 2011 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

More Complete Nonsense. Its Propaganda Not Done Very Well…

To Get To The Truth Takes The Courage of This BBC Journalist…

The Irish Girl Has It - She’s Got More Balls Than Any Man Who Pretends To Be a Journalist…

“BBC News Confirms New Osama Bin Laden Videos Released By The Pentagon Are a Faked Hoax”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13329078

Tony

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By Marshall, May 10, 2011 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment

By christian96, May 10 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

I could find no online reference to your supposed quote from Patreus and it
doesn’t pass the smell test anyway.  In any case OBL had it coming.

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By christian96, May 10, 2011 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

I am watching the “kill/capture” policy of the U. S.
Army in Afghanistan on “Frontline” on my local PBS
station.  The program ends shortly but will be repeated at 1 a.m., EDT.  I would strongly recommend
you watch it if for no other reason but to discover
the reationale used by our Army leaders as to why they
believe the program to be successful.  Forgetting to
put “tape-measures” in the pockets of the Navy Seals
who supposedly killed Osama Bin Laden doesn’t even
compare with the lunacy of our military leaders(?)
involved with the “kill/capture” policy.  I believe
it was Gen. Petraeus in the program who said, “Having
our military break into peoples homes in the middle
of the night to kill/capture sons and fathers will
help lessen the desire of Al-Quaida to fight.”  I hope he wasn’t educated at West Point.  I’d like to
think those teaching at West Point possess more intelligence than this man.  If the situation happened to be reversed and military personnel were
breaking into your home in the middle of the night to
kill your father/brothers, frightening your mother and sisters, what would be your response?  Would it
lessen your desire to fight or would you carry the
memory of that night around inside of your head until
you could join friends to seek revenge on the country
that carried out the act? Again, the program is on
PBS Frontline at 1 a.m., May 11, 2011, EDT.  The
program is titled “Kill/Capture” policy of the U. S.
Army in Afghanistan.

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By joell, May 10, 2011 at 7:03 pm Link to this comment

Apparently the Bin Laden   family doesn’t know the International   Criminal Court is a Kangaroo court. If you’re from the USA or one of its   allies, there’s   no concern about   prosecution;  if not,  you’re   very   likely to be indicted and possibly executed.


Threatening   to   go to this   criminal enterprise only   gives it   legitimacy.

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By gerard, May 10, 2011 at 6:52 pm Link to this comment

Stranger things have happened.

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