RE: ...paying for you right now as you type.

WRONG!

As much as you believe or reason it to be the case, and fulfilled your orders out of a sense of
patriotism, the US Military is not defending the ‘liberties’ of any general population anywhere in the world, and has rarely ever really done so, either directly or though client proxies.

The US Military is a force for conquest,  enforcement and occupation for a hegemonic global
finance oligarchy - as for a comparison to Nazis, you’re the one who wrote that you were only
following orders and I simply pointed out the virtually identical Nuremberg testimony from
which you may draw any conclusion that suits you. Curiously, your conclusion indicts me as being ungrateful for your patriotism.

It’s widely accepted that the Nazis’ extermination policies were genocidal. Now coupling
the wide-spread use of DU ordinance in the Middle East, which is designed specifically to burn through heavy armor on explosive impact, and the fact that Middle East insurgents do not use heavily armored weapons; the only logical conclusion is that it is being used in a heinous Malthusian population reduction program, to rid the region of the stubborn, troublesome humans standing between the global finance oligarchy and the natural resources, so important to their commercial interests; e.g. lithium, oil, etc.

Truth is this: the global finance oligarchy run virtually everything, and to them, we’re all canon fodder - sorry patriot, you’ve been duped!

RE: we are just paid to carry out orders….

Wilhelm Keitel

Count I:        Indicted         Guilty
Count II:        Indicted         Guilty
Count III:      Indicted         Guilty
Count IV:      Indicted         Guilty
Sentenced to:  Death by hanging

Keitel was the Chief of Staff of the High Command of the Armed Forces while
Hitler was in power.  He attended all of the conferences that discussed the
plans for war.  Many of these meetings were with Hitler, Jodl, and Raeder. 
Although he testified he was opposed to the invasion of the U.S.S.R., he
ultimately helped plan the invasion.  Evidence also showed Keitel was aware of
the plans to rid Poland of Jewish people.  He also issued orders to kill
Communists.

There was no mitigation evidence to be heard, and his defense that he was
just following orders as a soldier is not valid under the Charter.

we should be stopping this from happening.

what informed citizens should focus upon in order to stop from happening is the next
9/11 false flag provocation; which could happen any day as the catalyst to
launch on Iran

and btw, there aren’t so very many habitable apartments available in
Afghanistan - so many have been bombed… moreover the place is fast
becoming as toxic with Depleted Uranium (DU) contamination as Iraq - some
maniacs say, “NUKE ‘EM!” Thruth is, that’s an ongoing process and our soldiers
are packing it home: Gulf War Syndrome is DU poisoning!

RE OFERSINCE 72: “Of course , the Puffington Post would blame this
on Republicans…”

Since approximately 97% of Republicans did not support the health bill to help the 9/11 rescuers, it is understandable why people are blaming them.

No surprise here because the ADL is a mouthpiece of the government of Israel.

offersince72,

You got it absolutely right about the Democratic party which is no different than the Republican party and worse because it is hiding behind a phony facade of progressiveness and the desire to help the common people.
The Democrats have majority in the Congress since 2006 and nothing, zilch and nada happened differently.
It is a very clever, diabolical and insidious game played on the U.S citizenry but it is almost like a religion and it will take a while for a new awakining and the enlightment to set in and may be never.

I did’t say Republicans were for this bill, please
don’t put words in my mouth.

  I said,  that the Democrats have a huge majority
in the United States House of Representatives and
this bill did not pass.

  I if you have been following me on Truth Dig,
I have been giving explanations.

Re ofersince72: “Of course, the Puffington Post would blame . . . Republicans.”

Surely, you’re not suggesting the Republicans were supportive of this healthcare bill for the 9/11 rescuers?  Also, I noted that New York’s Representative Weiner is very unhappy about the lack of support from Republicans:

“. . . a hopping mad Weiner railed against “cowardly” Republicans who claimed they were voting against the bill because of “procedure.” Weiner spat: “It’s Republicans wrapping their arms around Republicans, rather than doing the right thing on behalf of the heroes!”

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/anthony-weiners-spitting-mad-rant-against-republicans-on-the-house-floor-video.php?ref=fpb

Of course , the Puffington Post would blame this
on Republicans…

The Democrats have a huge majority in the House.
The bill failed.  Simple as that…...................

As Michael Winship says, meanwhile . . .

“as the citizenry has its attention diverted by xenophobic anti-Muslim harangues, on Thursday night, Republicans in Congress killed the Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act to help emergency workers and others near Ground Zero.

. . .  the bill “would spend $3.2 billion on health care over the next 10 years for people sickened from their exposure to the toxic smoke and debris of the shattered World Trade Center. It would spend another $4.2 billion to compensate victims over that span, and make another $4.2 billion in compensation available for the next 11 years.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-winship/the-right-manipulates-mus_b_665674.html

Anarchissie:  “This is a question of good versus evil.”  Frankly, I doubt it. And even if it is, it will be made into a question of “them” versus “us”, as is already evident. 
  Further, even if it is about good versus evil, I doubt the wisdom of making a righteous cause out of it (freedom of this or that, guaranteed by the Constitution, etc. etc.) at this particular stressful time when ignorance and fear rule the day.
It would seem a lot more conciliatory for all concerned to walk around the problem right at this time rather than to jump into it with both feet.
  Will it do anything at all to stop the US wars? Will ie help the Palestinians?  Will it rebuild Iraq or Afghanistan?  Will it get us out of Somalia? Will it help limit the spread of nuclear arms?  Will it prove that America is a “free” nation that “cares about” human rights and tolerance? I seriously doubt it.

Mfreeze ‘s post is the best post that I have ever
read on Truth Dig.

thankyou Mr. mfreeze ,  well said !!

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By DaveZx3, August 1 at 11:31 am
““And samosamo, the Muslims have been at it for just as long as
the Hebrews, it is just that they weren’t called Muslims back
then.”“
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I don’t care if they were but as any organized religion goes, they
all SUCK. Nothing but a theocracy of mind control and through
mind control making people feel as if they are born into sin. And
all of them, most adept at separating money from their
followers.

Most every thing coming from any of them is actually anything
but natural. And the jews/hebrews were the worst of the lot until
christianity broke off and all I can say is who controls this
country, u.s.a., the most, the fundamentalist jews of izrael or the
bible thumping ‘can’t believe in evolution’ fundamentist(what a
fucked up word)christians.

And if you try to connect muslims being as or more bloodthirsty
as the judeo/christians why don’t you just say arabs(they seem
to be the only ones left) it is just that as a religion the muslims
have not been at it as long as judeo/christianity and roman
catholics.

Re Blueridge: “Its truly disgusting that the political community will use this situation as grist in the pursuit of their personal agenda, which I think does no more than point to the fact that their desire to generate political capital far outweighs their smug expressions of outrage.”

I must say it has certainly saddened me to listen to the political community in regard to this Cordoba House project. As U.S. citizens, we have all agreed to uphold the laws, rights, principles and Constitution of the United States of America. Clearly, the conduct of many in the political community shows a lack of respect and almost complete disregard for this agreement.

Many in the political community are also demonstrating a basic disregard for their religious faith as well.  I say this because some members of the political community, such as Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich, claim to be Christians, and as Christians, of course, they are obligated to follow a certain path, which clearly disallows casting these kinds of aspersions and “judgments” on others.

It is naive to believe that the 9-11 attack was religiously motivated.  Islamic terrorists attacked us because we were waging an illegal and deadly war with civilian casualties in Iraq.

To blame religion for the attack is the same old denial of American imperialism throughout the world.

By truedigger3, August 1 at 9:16 am #

“All religions are elastic, full of contradictions and outdated stuff and are open to different interpretations by different people under different circumstances.”

So says you.  Have the people who actually kneel down to Allah three times a day heard that their holy book has been declared “elastic, full of contradictions and outdated stuff and are open to different interpretations by different people under different circumstances?

Many, many, many Christians, Muslims and not-so-much Jews anymore, believe their books are holy and infallible.  And sometimes, they actually follow the words.  And the funny thing is, there is no way to tell who is going to follow the words on any given day. 

And this goes not only for religions, but wing-nuts, skinheads, Black Panthers, KKK, Weathermen, homophobes, SDS, socialists, militias, postal workers, drug dealers, and women with PMS to name a just a very few.  All seem to have a capacity to take a misguided idea too seriously, and actually act on it. 

The fundamentalist leftist is no better than the fundamentalist religionist.  They are all the same, self righteous and arrogant, always blaming the other, not seeing that all are equally guilty of the hate and intolerance which pollutes the human race.

And samosamo, the Muslims have been at it for just as long as the Hebrews, it is just that they weren’t called Muslims back then.

Its truly disgusting that the political community will use this situation as grist in the pursuit of their personal agenda, which I think does no more than point to the fact that their desire to generate political capital far outweighs their smug expressions of outrage.

Re DaveZx3: “But there is a slight conflict with the key words “law abiding” and the words of the holy book .  .  .  Why would anyone practice a religion of which they do not believe and act upon the holy words?”

Generally, I suspect there will always be some kind of “conflict” between a nation and a religion.  In the U.S., our founders recognized this issue and it’s why they separated Church and State.  Such wisdom is truly awesome, isn’t it? 

Anyway, when it comes to practicing their religion and being a citizen of a Nation, Christians also face problems.  Jesus clearly states his followers are to love their enemies and refuse violence, which is obviously incompatible with warfare.

truedigger3, August 1 at 9:16 am #

Did you read the Old Testament of the Bible?
It is full of very hateful, cruel, exclusionay and vile verses that incite the “believers” to kill, rape and destroy even the suckling infants.
All religions are elastic, full of contradictions and outdated stuff and are open to different interpretations by different people under different circumstances. So, if you are looking for something to “bitch” about, in any religion, you will find something.
Even the message of peace, tolerance and compassion to the down trodden that was preached by Christ is converted by some people to the message of hate, war and the lack of any compassion.
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Right on, TD3!  You can cherry-pick selected verses in the OT, the NT or the Qu’ran that are hateful and brutal.  How many times in the OT does God order the Hebrews to wipe out a community—men, women, children, even farm animals?

Also, despite the Qu’ran being no different than the Bible in terms of hateful verses, the 5 Pillars of Islam do not, repeat NOT contain any phrase about “jihad” or killing infidels.  And the 5 Pillars are like the 10 Commandments:

1) Recognize there is no god but God.
2) Pray
3) Give alms to the poor
4) Fast during Ramadan
5) If possible, at some point in your life, make a haj to Mecca.

See “kill infidels” in there anywhere?

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“”“It is full of very hateful, cruel, exclusionay and vile verses that
incite the “believers” to kill, rape and destroy even the suckling
infants.”“”“
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Extraordinary. Seems this is exactly what the jews/hebrews did
in their formative years and even against the differing clans of
jews. Maybe they saved the young women for their sexual
pleasures but historians of those times or somebody wrote
about it so even if the muslims a thousand years later adopted
the same idea and put it in their bible, the jews were way ahead
of them and even continue their carnage to this day, or at least
the izraeli state does and condones it. Seems they have ‘god’s
approval’ to do these things for whatever paranoid reasons.

Re: By DaveZx3, August 1 at 5:29 am #

DaveZx3,

Did you read the Old Testament of the Bible?
It is full of very hateful, cruel, exclusionay and vile verses that incite the “believers” to kill, rape and destroy even the suckling infants.
All religions are elastic, full of contradictions and outdated stuff and are open to different interpretations by different people under different circumstances. So, if you are looking for something to “bitch” about, in any religion, you will find something.
Even the message of peace, tolerance and compassion to the down trodden that was preached by Christ is converted by some people to the message of hate, war and the lack of any compassion.

By Anarcissie, July 31 at 10:22 pm #

“In the United States, a law-abiding religious group has the right to free exercise of its religion, the use of its property, and equal rights.”

I cannot find fault with your comment.  But is there a slight conflict with the key words “law abiding” and the words of the holy book which will be worshipped near ground zero when those words include the following passages?

Quran Sura9:111 “Allah has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods,and in return has Promised them Paradise, they will fight for the cause of Allah, they will Kill and be Killed”

Sura9:123,“O believers ,make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find firmness in you. Know that Allah is with the righteous”

These and many similar passages would make me curious as to how to differentiate worshippers who believe these words and other worshippers who do not believe these words.  How can one tell one from the other?

Why would anyone practice a religion of which they do not believe and act upon the holy words?

Why isn’t it realistic to think that many worshippers who may believe those words would not patronize the mosque as a symbol of their victory over the evil world market system?

Should all “religion” be automatically tolerated no matter what their practices are or what their words say? 

Do religious laws, such as Sharia law or Mosaic law have any authority to violate the civil rights of individuals within a religion or does secular law supersede religious law and by what authority?

Does local democracy have any say as to where churches or mosques can be built, or should some high level ideology rule?  If so, whose ideology should rule? 

Religion seems to often be a sactuary for tyrants.  How would one know if this would not be turned into one of those recruiting, indoctrination or proselytizing centers?

Does the US government have the authority to determine what constitutes “law abiding” without establishing a list of “accepted” religions.

I don’t have the time to list my other 978 questions, so those will have to do as to what I would be concerned with as a local resident.

All these people are doing is making America look like a fundamentalist country dominated by hysterical fanatics so full of hate they can’t think straight. Not a good look and it also makes Islam seem calm and evenhanded by comparison and I’m sure THAT’S NOT WHAT THEY WANTED.

RE: “the five Franfurters”????  ...In what universe?

The one we share, sort of, I guess…

“Frankfurters,” i.e. Menschen aus Frankfurt am Main, Deutschland - more specifically
in this case, the fact that Sie sind Frankfurter Jungs.

Limited familiarity with the term might naturally bring to mind the Frankfurter Sausage; 
which, of course, has nothing to do with people of Semitic genealogy.

Voi-là - just as predicted - but, more to the point: why bring Malcolm X, MLK and
Medgar Evers into this? What do they have to do with manipulating financial markets and
political operatives in order to precipitate profitable wars?

matriarch to the five Frankfurters.

Do it and see how quickly you’re labeled “anti-Semitic.
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“the five Franfurters”????  You got your wish! You can now be labeled “anti-Semitic”.

You think if you labeled Malcolm X, MLK and Medgar Evers “the Three Spades” you wouldn’t be labeled a racist?

In what universe?

RE: By Anarcissie, July 31 at 10:22 pm #
It doesn’t matter who did 9/11…

Cited Amendments are known and understood - agreed, ADL’s position is
unconstitutional in any context in this nation - but why surprising?

Quote this publicly: “If my sons did not want wars, there would be no wars.”-
Gutle Rothschild, matriarch to the five Frankfurters.

Do it and see how quickly you’re labeled “anti-Semitic.”

It doesn’t matter who did 9/11.  In the United States, a law-abiding religious group has the right to free exercise of its religion, the use of its property, and equal rights.  See the First, Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments.

I expect thugs like Gingrich, Palin, and their local thuglets to go against the Constitution in favor of racism and bigotry, but I’m shocked to see the ADL show up in such company.

The decision by the group, the Anti-Defamation League, touched off angry
reactions from a range of religious groups, which argued that the country would
show its tolerance and values by welcoming the center near the site where radical
Muslims killed about 2,750 people.

From virtually all angles the 9/11 Myth is continually shilled - here a “...range of
religious groups…” wants to “...show its tolerance…” yet fails to question the Myth
-presumably unquestionable because to do so sets in motion something
tantamount to swapping the global poles - a lie literally too big to question - and
even with carnage in the wake of 9/11 outstripping it 1000-fold, it still cannot be
questioned in “polite company” - “It can’t happen here” is the conclustion; and,
the duping of America goes on, because the 9/11 coup d’état is a widely recognized truth
around the world, just not here… where it could never, ever happen, children.

gerard—“the area” has very little to do with “the mosque”.  This “mosque”, actually a community center like the YMCA, will be located two blocks from the site of the World Trade Center, along with hundreds of other buildings.  The redevelopment of the World Trade Center, which includes an elaborate multi-level memorial garden, will be utterly unaffected by the non-mosque.

This is a question of good versus evil.  On the one side, you have racists and bigots and those who exploit them, which now seems to include the ADL.  On the other you have people who are trying to go about the business of reducing hatred, racism and bigotry, and the U.S. Constitution, which states that the government shall not interfere with the free exercise of religion.  What else would you call this conflict, which has occurred entirely at the instigation of racists and bigots?

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Just a clear case of results by NOT truly and thoroughly
investigating the attack of 9/11 and opening the rotten egg
open for all to see and understand. And oh, so obvious as to why
a jewish controlled group, anti-defamation league, would turn
an about face to further persecute those NOT responsible for
this false flag operation. It would not just implicate but prove the
complicity of izrael in the attack of 9/11.

Just as I firmly believe and have been proven to be correct that
there are are jewish here and in izrael who are human and don’t
approve of their country’s paranoid actions against other nations
and peoples because izrael persecutes them, their own people
of objecting. I also believe that in the whole of islam, there are
real people that that don’t approve of the fundamentalist’s
actions based on interpretation of their ‘holy’ book and suffer
persecution because of those interpretaiton.

This world so overloaded with the ‘special’ animal, humans, and
controlled by a more insidious part of that species, all devoid
and morally bankrupt of any kind of integrity, is only going to
keep degrading until a truly global cataclysm happens that won’t
just affect the ‘precious’ humans but all life and life supporting
systems that all life thrives upon.

The ADL and Foxman have been nothing but a bunch of thugs and propagandists for years now. Just watch the documentary “Defamation.”

History has passed the ADL by.  It used used to be a decent organization that represented Jewish mainstreaming into American multi-ethnic democracy, but recently it has ossified and grown parochial.  The vast majority of American Jews are a proud part of the American melting pot and are ashamed of those groups that are trying to tear them apart from American multi-culturalism.  What I am saying is that the ADL might find more support from real American Jews if it followed the example of New York Mayor Blumberg rather than the Southern Newt Gingrich.

Well, so much for the alleged “anti-bigotry” goals of Anti-Defamation League. What is wrong with people like this? Yes, a great number of innocent people lost their lives on 9/11 and some of these people were Muslims.

I believe J Street President Jeremy Ben-Ami has a better understanding of what the word democracy means and what it takes to fight bigotry:

“The principle at stake in the Cordoba House controversy goes to the heart of American democracy and the value we place on freedom of religion. Should one religious group in this country be treated differently than another? We believe the answer is no.”

“. . . We would hope the American Jewish community would be at the forefront of standing up for the freedom and equality of a religious minority looking to exercise its legal rights in the United States, rather than casting aspersions on its funders and giving in to the fear-mongerers and pandering politicians.”

http://www.jstreet.org/blog/?p=1177

Well said mrfreeze. Very well said. Ground Zero. Maudlin hyperbole and not so
much else. The place should be left as is. A fitting monument and tribute to all
America has become. America, immoral beacon of hypocrisy and war machine run
totally freaking amok.
Leave the Muslims alone and let them build their Mosque. So what? Anyone in New
Yawk ever read the First Amendment of our “Constitution?” Oh yeah right, what
was it G. Bush said about our Constitution? “Useless goddamn piece of paper?”
Pretty close enough I think.
“Us and them and after all, we’re only ordinary men…” Pink Floyd. Relevant then
and more so now.

Let’s see: 9/11 occurred in 2001. It’s been almost a decade since the “attack” and, as is usually the case here in the U.S., we CAN’T LET IT GO!

Frankly, as a westerner, I couldn’t care less what NYC does or doesn’t do with “ground zero.” Whilst all the selfish, ridiculous special interests, politicians, religious idiots and NYC residents argue endlessly about what to do with GZ, the world has moved on. Sorry for sounding so callous, but there is NO ultra-consequential symbolism about 9/11. If anything 9/11 is a HUGE LESSON LOST on the American people who cower behind their phoney belief that we are somehow exceptional and that misfortune only happens in other parts of the world. We responded exactly the way the terrorists wanted us to respond: knee-jerk and jerk-president cowboy swagger, start a couple of wars, scare the public continuously with threats of disaster and impending doom.

If anything, Ground Zero should be bulldozed over and left fallow as a symbol that America no longer has the imagination, vision or courage to be a great nation….just a scared nation.

Again the simple-minded either/or situation—them against us, good versus evil, white or black.

Turn the area into an enduring well-tended flower garden with a memorial plaque honoring all the people who died on that spot. Politicizing the spot is obscene and stupid.