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Autopsy Shows Trayvon Martin Had Marijuana Trace in His Blood

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Posted on May 17, 2012
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A memorial dedicated to Trayvon Martin in March, a month after he was shot to death.

Autopsy results released Thursday showed that Trayvon Martin had marijuana in his system at the time he was fatally shot by George Zimmerman in Sanford, Fla., in February. Medical examiners discovered THC, which is the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, in the slain teenager’s blood.

The autopsy was released as part of a package of evidence related to the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman. —TEB

The Associated Press:

Also in the package is a photo showing Zimmerman with a bloody nose on the night of the fight. A paramedic report says Zimmerman had a 1-inch laceration on his head and forehead abrasion.

“Bleeding tenderness to his nose, and a small laceration to the back of his head. All injuries have minor bleeding,” paramedic Michael Brandy wrote about Zimmerman’s injuries in the report.

Whether Zimmerman was injured in the Feb. 26 altercation with Martin has been a key question. Zimmerman has claimed self-defense and said he only fired because the unarmed teenager attacked him.

Zimmerman was not arrested for weeks because he invoked Florida’s “stand-your-ground” law, which does not require a person to retreat in the face of a serious threat. He was released on bail and is in hiding while he awaits trial on a second-degree murder charge. He has pleaded not guilty.

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By americanme, May 23, 2012 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment

Imax, who is only marginally literate in English, is also under the delusion that it speaks Spanish—in addition to the delusion that someone asked him to be a judge of criminal cases.

Why are so many certifiably insane folks posting here?

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By IMax, May 23, 2012 at 7:42 am Link to this comment

Moonbat,

Usted está enfermo de odio.

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By americanme, May 23, 2012 at 7:26 am Link to this comment

Imax is a proud imbecile with delusions of grandeur—nobody has asked him or her or it to be the judge in any criminal case.

Put your sock in it, imbecile!

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By IMax, May 23, 2012 at 5:59 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

I am a proud and unapologetic imbecile.  The type of imbecile who never judges a criminal case based on what I see, hear, or read from the media.  The type of imbecile who was so very suspicious of the media narrative, of Zimmerman the white man, shooting Martin the black boy, simply because Martin stood out in a gated “white community”.

I am the type of imbecile who will take the added time to research the situation further and learn, quite independently, that young Martin was, in reality, walking through a predominately black/Hispanic neighborhood and was confronted, not by an evil white person, but by a resident Hispanic individual.

Yes, I am an imbecile and proud.  Perhaps as proud as you are to lag five steps behind your crowd.

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I asked for some type of evidence or information which leads us to believe what took place between Martin and Zimmerman had anything to do with race.  What have you offered to date?  A very questionable opinion of white people.

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By Shenonymous, May 22, 2012 at 6:51 pm Link to this comment

americanme got it right, and it did not take a dissertation, but you,
Imax, are acting like an imbecile.  It is highly doubtful you could ever
see your mistake.

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By americanme, May 22, 2012 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment

Where’s the rightfoot sock, Imax troll?

You are like doublement gum—twice racist.

Whites promote genocide against all non-whites on the planet to grab their land and resources.

Period.

Race is the basis for thievery and murder.

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By IMax, May 22, 2012 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, - white to all other skin colors.

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It appears you’re saying that Caucasians are bigoted against all other races.

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By Shenonymous, May 22, 2012 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment

M’thinks Imax you are incapable of reading and interpreting
accurately.

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By diamond, May 22, 2012 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

“This goes to prove one thing conclusively.  Once a bigoted racist gets an idea in his or her head it’s hard to eradicate that idea.”

Well you know what the Germans say: ‘Self knowledge is the first way to improvement’. You’ve accepted that you’re a racist. The rest is up to you.

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By IMax, May 22, 2012 at 12:10 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

Are you saying Caucasians are a different, inferior, race of people?

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By Shenonymous, May 22, 2012 at 8:17 am Link to this comment

It is more like racism going two directions then.  Black to white, but
more likely and historically from white to black, and white to all other
skin colors.

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By IMax, May 22, 2012 at 5:11 am Link to this comment

diamond, - “when they (like Zimmerman) deliberately shoot a 17 year old boy in the heart for being the wrong color.”

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I asked if there be anyone here who held any real evidence or knowledge that what took place between Martin and Zimmerman had anything, whatsoever, to do with race.  All we have seen so far, not unlike the example above, are various racist opinions.  Not a single piece of real evidence or direct knowledge that this incident had anything, whatsoever, to do with race.

This goes to prove one thing conclusively.  Once a bigoted racist gets an idea in his or her head it’s hard to eradicate that idea.

Racists chasing phantoms.

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By diamond, May 21, 2012 at 8:32 pm Link to this comment

“Here seems to be the most common thinking.  Martin was black.  Zimmerman, Hispanic - with a mix of the evil (white) European lineage.  Of course it was all about race.  We all know what to expect from (white)-Hispanic men named Zimmerman.”

Yes, of course, we all know that white people are oppressed by black people. That white people are the ‘real’ victims even when they deliberately shoot a 17 year old boy in the heart for being the wrong color. I think you are defending Zimmerman because his name is Zimmerman, and that’s just plain nuts. I’ve heard this garbage about how whites are oppressed by blacks many times. It’s a con and bears no relationship to reality any more than Zimmerman’s view that he was in some kind of race war and saving the white race (of which he was only an honorary member, which may explain his madness)had any relationship to reality.

It’s also interesting to consider that of the groups that have committed terror attacks in America, Hispanics have committed the most, Jewish extremists have committed the second highest number and the Muslims come in third, and even that would be based almost entirely on attacks on the World Trade Center which many people have severe doubts about. It seems to me that, statistically speaking, Zimmerman should have been keeping an eye on himself and not blacks. At least that way he wouldn’t have ended up killing a teenage boy, for nothing. As you say, knowledge drives out ignorance but he didn’t have knowledge, he had hatred and fear and bigotry -oh, and a gun. These groups that roam neighborhoods are just another version of vigilantes so no one should be surprised that some of them resort to lynch justice.

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By IMax, May 21, 2012 at 5:23 pm Link to this comment

Mairead,

Be patient.

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By Mairead, May 21, 2012 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

IMax, who appears to be trolling, wrote it will come down to which of the two began the physical confrontation

This will be my last response to you, because you offer nothing but empty assertion.

One need not strike the first blow to be judged the aggressor.  It is the crime of assault to put someone in fear of unjustified harm (see any law dictionary).  Trayvon was where he had a right to be, on an errand he had the right to run, and was minding his own business.

Zimmerman had no authority to confront Trayvon.  He did so because he, as his history shows, distrusts the motives of other people and feels entitled to act out against them if they appear to be violating his rules for their conduct. 

Very few people would look at a kid rubbernecking as he walks down the street and believe, with no other information, that the kid was casing the place and must be confronted not just by the cops, but by the observer himself right away

That Zimmerman felt the personal need to confront Trayvon immediately even though Trayvon, by Zimmerman’s own admission to the dispatcher, was doing nothing but looking around as he openly and unconcernedly (i.e., like the innocent person he was) walked down the street says quite a bit about Zimmerman’s suspiciousness and needs for power and acclaim. 

He wanted that confrontation, and in forcing it on Trayvon he committed assault, though he might never be charged.  I can say with complete certainty that in Trayvon’s place I would have been put in fear even without knowing about the gun.  Such an unpredictable confrontation creates all sorts of additional uncertainties:  who is this guy?  Where did he come from?  Is he a cop?  A nutcase?  Am I in danger?  What does he think he’s doing?

That’s assault, and a person is not obliged to wait until already physically injured before trying to repel the assaulter.

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By IMax, May 21, 2012 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment

“You claim that because we don’t know Martin or Zimmerman we can have no opinion on what occurred.”

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I claim nothing of the kind.  I say there is a difference between your many opinions and verifiable facts.

You have Zimmerman guilty of several crimes without nearly enough informative facts.

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By IMax, May 21, 2012 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

Mairead,

Sorry to be disagreeable but, it’s a matter of law.  In court, as it should be, it will come down to which of the two began the physical confrontation.  Everything else will rest on that question.

Be patient and you will see.

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By diamond, May 21, 2012 at 1:49 pm Link to this comment

“Take a lesson, diamond.  Knowledge eradicates ignorance!!”

Clearly not. Your ignorance is monumental and no amount of fact or knowledge shrinks it by one scintilla. You claim that because we don’t know Martin or Zimmerman we can have no opinion on what occurred. Following that line of reasoning, because I haven’t met Martin Luther or Martin Luther King, for that matter, I can have no opinion on their activities. This is like saying that because I didn’t meet Picasso I can have no opinion on ‘Guernica’ or because I didn’t meet Hitler I can have no opinion on the holocaust. Following this line of reasoning would induce a state of moral paralysis and historical illiteracy such as the one you currently inhabit. And stop lying. It’s immoral and does nothing to progress debate.

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By americanme, May 21, 2012 at 11:41 am Link to this comment

I should have left that typo.  Zimmerman WAS on a BLACK Watch not a Block Wotch.

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By americanme, May 21, 2012 at 11:40 am Link to this comment

Imax racist troll:

What was Zimmerman doing in that neighborhood, then?  If he was on a Block Watch why was his ethnicity different from that of the norm?

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By americanme, May 21, 2012 at 11:40 am Link to this comment

Imax racist troll:

What was Zimmerman doing in that neighborhood, then?  If he was on a Black Watch why was his ethnicity different from that of the norm?

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By Mairead, May 21, 2012 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

Imax wrote: The central issue, in this and the hundreds of like cases we see every year, is which of the two began the physical confrontation.

That’s nonsense.

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By IMax, May 21, 2012 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

Mairead,

We don’t know Zimmerman or Martin.  We should not make the mistake of pretending that we know Zimmerman or Martin.  In the United States never is a person’s fate decided based on profiles from the media. 

The central issue, in this and the hundreds of like cases we see every year, is which of the two began the physical confrontation.

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I will continue making this point every time this story is highlighted.  Trayvon Martin was walking through a neighborhood in which it is common, minute by hour by day, to come across a black person.  It’s not likely that Trayvon Martin stood out due to the color of his skin.

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By Mairead, May 21, 2012 at 6:19 am Link to this comment

The central issue is simple:  Trayvon would in all likelihood still be alive today had Zimmerman, a young man with a history of problems related to how he interprets the motives of other people, not been out looking for someone to confront.

Everything followed from Zimmerman’s desire for a confrontation from which he would emerge victorious.

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By IMax, May 21, 2012 at 4:53 am Link to this comment

Trayvon Martin was walking in a black/Hispanic neighborhood.  Nothing about the color of his skin made him stand out in his surroundings.  At the very least I beg TruthDig commentators get that part straight.

According to Justice Dept. statistics crimes against persons fall under these categories and in this order.

1. Black on Black
2. White on White
3. Black on White
4. White on Black

Take a lesson, diamond.  Knowledge eradicates ignorance!!

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By Salome, May 21, 2012 at 4:47 am Link to this comment
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And what did Mr. Zimmerman have in his blood?

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By diamond, May 21, 2012 at 1:55 am Link to this comment

‘A suspicious person’? Wasn’t this boy visiting with his father who actually lived in this neighborhood? The only reason this racist goon found him suspicious was that he was a young black male. It’s like the young black males who get pulled over by the police because they might be driving a fancy car. Of course the only way they could possibly have come by it was to steal it. That’s only logical. Driving while black is a felony. Walking while black is a serious felony. Voting while black is such a serious felony that it’s actually banned in any place where it possibly can be. Being president while black is treason and any black man who becomes president isn’t really American but was born in Kenya. Stop me if you’ve heard any of these before.

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By gerard, May 20, 2012 at 4:13 pm Link to this comment

“Autopsy Shows Trayvon Martin Had Marijuana Trace in His Blood”

Well, then, that explains everything!

(P.S. Just thought I’d help send this string to the underworld where it belongs.)

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By americanme, May 20, 2012 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment

Too bad you do not speak spanish—it is one of my seven languages.

You could have answered, had you been fluent in spanish.

But since you don’t know any, well, I’ll just tell you to vaya a la chingada.

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By Shenonymous, May 20, 2012 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment

Surfboy, that word, defecate, is a good one!  And used perfectly. 
Mind if I often borrow it?  I know I know,...no one owns single words! 
Well, I might be wrong.  I think Archimedes owns the word Eureka!

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By IMax, May 20, 2012 at 11:54 am Link to this comment

Imax did not respond to my question.

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Yo no discuto con los niños enojados.

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By americanme, May 20, 2012 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

Imax did not respond to my question.

He is just a racist troll, and he is missing the other foot of his sockpuppet duo.

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By IMax, May 20, 2012 at 4:21 am Link to this comment

Surfboy,

Do you or not have something better?

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By IMax, May 19, 2012 at 8:27 pm Link to this comment

Surfboy, - Zimmerman “said an incredibly prejudiced phrase : ‘I think he’s Black.  They always get away with it.’”

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The man was asked to describe Martin.  He described a tall, hooded, male which may be “black”.  And, as far as you know, he never mentioned it again.  You know as well as anyone that “they” always get away with it was not in context with his description of Martin.  The 911 audio is very clear on the matter.

Let’s be honest here.  The Hispanic Zimmerman called the police and described a suspicious person in a black/Hispanic neighborhood.  In fact the entire small city is 40% black/Hispanic (blink).  There’s little chance Martin drew attention by simply being black.  I really must ask.  Why are are you drawing so much attention to Martin being black?

We must allow that Zimmerman may not be wired as you are.  Again, as far as you know, he only referenced skin color once the day of.  And only in answer to a direct question.

Is there anything else, about either Martin or Zimmerman, which has you concluding this was about race?

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By IMax, May 19, 2012 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment

I asked if there be anyone here who held any real evidence or knowledge that what took place between Martin and Zimmerman had anything, whatsoever, to do with race.  The handful of responses so far seem anything but encouraging.

Here seems to be the most common thinking.  Martin was black.  Zimmerman, Hispanic - with a mix of the evil (white) European lineage.  Of course it was all about race.  We all know what to expect from (white)-Hispanic men named Zimmerman.

Good grief.  Racists pointing fingers at phantoms.  Ironic, yes?  Is there anyone here who can rise above the rest and do better?

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By americanme, May 19, 2012 at 10:09 am Link to this comment

Imax should be forced to put on blackface and baggy jeans Block waand parade around his all-white neighborhood every night.

Eventually, someone like Zimmerman will shoot him, and then he will no longer be posting his racist hatespeech on truthdig.

Block Watch program, indeed.

I suppose those white supremacist goons up in northern Idaho with their tripwire perimeters are block watch programs, too?

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By balkas, May 19, 2012 at 4:16 am Link to this comment

“... a black man acting suspiciously”. these words belong to imax and not zimm.
he said about martin: “he looks suspicious”, “he’s looking about, walking around”,
“i don’t know what his deal is”. “he’s checking me out now”, etc.
and none of that can be evaluated as true or false. i am giving the facts!
remains to be seen how wld the court look at above statements. in any case, these
words tell us s’mthing about GZ and nothing about TM.
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no, injuries that GZ sustained only prove that he sustained them the evening in
question, but not how or why. nor does that indicate let alone prove that it had
been TM who started getting physical.

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By diamond, May 19, 2012 at 1:33 am Link to this comment

“One could not find three more clear examples of prejudicial racism than we have seen on display from Shenon, diamond, and MoonRagin.”

This is just the old ‘I know you are but what am I?’ trick. How is it racist to claim that Zimmerman should never have approached Martin or shot him in the heart because he was a young black male wearing a hoodie? Zimmerman is totally at fault and pulled the trigger when he was under no threat from Trayvon Martin. The 911 call, as reported, makes clear that Martin was terrified and was offering no threat and no resistance. Zimmerman still shot and killed him and at the very least that’s manslaughter and a young life wasted for no reason at all except Zimmerman’s hysterical racism and fear. Zimmerman is a coward and they always shoot, because they are afraid.

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By Maani, May 18, 2012 at 10:23 pm Link to this comment

IMax:

“Please do not allow your experience in New York to define how most Block Watch programs are conceived and carried out across the country.  It’s a mistake.”

You clearly know nothing about these programs, while I have not only been part of one for almost a decade, and know more about them - nationwide - than most people.  So yes, I DO know how block watch programs are created and implemented throughout the country.

Peace.

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By IMax, May 18, 2012 at 9:22 pm Link to this comment

Maani,

Please do not allow your experience in New York to define how most Block Watch programs are conceived and carried out across the country.  It’s a mistake.

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By IMax, May 18, 2012 at 9:13 pm Link to this comment

If there be someone here who believes they posses evidence that Zimmerman or Martin acted in some racially motivated manner why not present such evidence for everyone to evaluate?  To date I see nothing but people arriving at conclusions based solely on their own individual racial prejudices.

I think we can all agree that opinions count for nothing in this situation.  2nd degree murder has everything to do with all reasonable doubts.

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grokker,

I sincerely don’t know nearly enough to judge this situation.  I’m saying that I have no evidence to date that Zimmmerman has lied.  He claims Martin, a black male acting suspiciously in a black/Hispanic neighborhood, turned and attacked him.  The medical evaluations, if correct, appear to support at least part of Zimmerman’s claims. 

I posses very limited knowledge of witness accounts (including Martin’s phone conversation leading up to the physical altercation), no knowledge of on-scene physical evidence, nor do I have Zimmerman’s full account or the officers observations, perceptions, and on-scene deliberations.  People who claim they know Zimmerman OR Martin, or the events of that day, are, quite literally, talking out of pure prejudice.  All of it based purely on hazy, often conflicting, highly speculative media accounts.

I do know this.  One could not find three more clear examples of prejudicial racism than we have seen on display from Shenon, diamond, and MoonRagin.  Not one of the three could possibly reach their written conclusions based on any true and objective preponderance of evidence.  Each represent precisely the opinions which have absolutely no place in any investigation or subsequent deliberations.  I am surprised to be the first to point this out.

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By Maani, May 18, 2012 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

IMax:

“These programs have been hugely successful all over the United States in preventing crimes and lowering crime rates.  And, yes, in the real world Block Watch sentinels overtly and conspicuously make their presence known and felt.  Even approaching “suspicious” people.  It is precisely how and why these programs are so successful where employed.”

You could not be more wrong.  I work with as a citizen volunteer with the the NYPD, which had the very first such program in the country, and I am intimately familiar with many others.  There is NO block watch or similar volunteer program which actively permits members - who are unpaid, volunteer civilians - to “put themselves in harm’s way” by physically approaching someone.  In fact, the NYPD Auxiliary Officers - perhaps the most “high-level” volunteer program in the country, as volunteers actually wear NYPD uniforms and carry radios - are NOT PERMITTED even to “tail” a suspected perp.  They are to use their radios to call for an NYPD officer.

Indeed, just a couple of years ago, two APOs in Greenwich Village disobeyed this directive and followed a man suspected of killing a pizzeria employee.  He turned and fired his gun, eventually killing both APOs. Had the APOs simply followed proper procedure - the same procedure for ALL civilian volunteers - and used their radio to call for NYPD assistance, they would still be alive.

Civilian law enforcement volunteers are specifically trained NOT to put themselves in harm’s way.  The very fact that GZ got out of his car - not only after the emergency operator told him not to, but counter to his training - Trayvon Martin would still be alive.

Peace.

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By Shenonymous, May 18, 2012 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

A trace of MJ?  What the f?  As some have already pointed out MJ
has a calming effect.  It is the reason why it is used by cancer victims.
It ‘s making one feel mellow is the point of using it.  It can, as it also
has already been pointed out, remain as a trace in the blood for an
indeterminate amount of time.  Trayvon Martin would not have been
in ready position for violence.  But he certainly could have been afraid
of the stranger coming after him for no reason he could think of.  Well,
it is not likely he was not aware he was black and blacks are profiled
for crimes.  The bruised knuckles could have happened when he hit
the ground after being shot!  Zimmerman did not have Martin’s skin
or blood from the bruises on his person.  Zimmerman made the perfect
shot to Trayvon Martin’s heart.  Hardly the act of anyone who had been
hurt in an assault.  The post-event doctor’s exam of Zimmerman has not
been corroborated.  The doctor could have an agenda, could be a racist
as well.  Where is the testing of the evidence?  Photos?  Was the doctor
interviewed? 

Also it has to be remembered that Zimmerman was not officially hired to
watch the neighborhood. 

The way the news media has played this is egregious.

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By grokker, May 18, 2012 at 6:08 pm Link to this comment

IMax - I understand all you are saying regarding the media circus, the bias towards the one in this situation that can’t speak for himself. If you were on the jury, given the information you have now, what would your ruling be. Does Zimmerman walk scot free??

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By flaco, May 18, 2012 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment

So? Is that a reason to be shot?

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By diamond, May 18, 2012 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

“White Man Shoots And Kills Black Youth For Being Black! - Now that sells air-time and ink.  Problem is, we have zero evidence that that is factual.”

You may have zero evidence, Imax, but anyone who actually looks at what happened objectively can see that what you have stated mockingly is a factual statement of the event. He smoked pot? Bring in the executioner! Oh, wait a minute, the boy is dead. No need to get excited.

You, Imax, simply cannot admit that Zimmerman was a nutjob running around with a gun fighting some kind of screwy race war that only he knew about. He saw himself as a one man army and that alone proves how psycho he was. The mere sight of a black teenager wearing a hoodie was enough to trigger off such racially motivated hatred that he couldn’t see what was actually in front of his eyes: a frightened, weeping 17 year old black boy, not some hoodlum who was about to kill him or anyone else. This boy had been to a store to buy iced tea and candy and that’s what he was armed with. That’s all he was armed with and he was killed for being a young, black male: that is a simple statement of fact. Nor is this an isolated event, American history is littered with stories of young, black males executed by gun happy, race mad white men for fitting a media driven profile. Zimmerman was known to go door to door in his neighborhood warning white people against young black males. He was obsessed and loopy on the subject and, tragically for Martin, he was out that day looking for young, black males and he found one. And he killed him.

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By IMax, May 18, 2012 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

grokker,

Please understand I was not playing the race card with you.  I was making a general statement.  I do, however, wish you wouldn’t denigrate Zimmerman’s motives for being part of a Block Watch program (we can’t delude ourselves into believing we know something about Martin or Zimmerman).

These programs have been hugely successful all over the United States in preventing crimes and lowering crime rates.  And, yes, in the real world Block Watch sentinels overtly and conspicuously make their presence known and felt.  Even approaching “suspicious” people.  It is precisely how and why these programs are so successful where employed.  Particularly, as is the case in the neighborhood Martin/Zimmerman was in, where crimes against persons and property are a problem for residence.

You’re right in how we may never know who began the actual, physical, altercation.  Unless, of course, there are witnesses found in the investigation.  But, and quickly correct me if I’m wrong, you appear to be assuming that only Zimmerman is lying and only Zimmerman acted inappropriately.  If you remove how this has played amongst most in the media, how are you reaching these conclusions?  Which set of facts are you relying on?  Why are you personally pointing entirely at Zimmerman?

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BTW: when these types of stories become public there is always dribs and drabs released and reported in the media as investigations progress.  I don’t see any of this as a media conspiracy.  Hyping situations, however, is another matter altogether.  In this particular case I see widespread media incompetence in marking this incident as related to issues of race.  I see no evidence, of any kind, that race was the weightiest contributing factor the day of.

White Man Shoots And Kills Black Youth For Being Black! - Now that sells air-time and ink.  Problem is, we have zero evidence that that is factual.

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By balkas, May 18, 2012 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

sorry, i do not think GZ had the right to alert police about TM’s presence in the gated community and even if
he stood on his hands and run or walked in circles.
that alone is a criminal behavior by zimm.
and the policeman who listened to zimm shld have told zimm to stop wasting time or commanded zimm to
give him some—any whatever—useful information.
zimm had none whatever. 
and the point is not on what drugs was GM—the far more important point is the fact that GZ was high, too
high, on hate for blacks.
that’s a high much higher than any other high and most likely to cause a death.
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if s’mbody wld call police on me, i can tell u that i wld be very mad at police and the snitch, but don’t know
what i’d do!

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By americanme, May 18, 2012 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

Who cares what substance the kid had in his bloodstream?

I suspect that more than 90% of folks in the US at any given time are high on something—be it oxycodon (which is just prescription heroin), mariguana, methedrine, xanax, cocaine, or a designer drug.  between legal and illegal drugs administered to the US population, the US government—which is told what to do by Big Bucks, Big Guns, Big Drugs and Big Oil—keeps folks from getting off their buts and mounting meaningful massive protest.

The question for me would be, on what drug was Zimmerman high?

I suspect at least alcohol, and probably mixed with a few other substances, as well.

We won’t know, because nobody tested Zimmerman the Killer—and because he is the one still ALIVE, whatever he was on when he shot the kid—maybe just Race Rage—has been pissed out of his system.

And no matter WHAT the kid was smoking, his use of it doesn’t justify the MURDER he was the victim of.

What the fuck is the matter with you people?

Too stoned to reason?

Bingo.

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By nikto, May 18, 2012 at 11:54 am Link to this comment
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Traces of THC from cannabis stay in the body for a month or more.

But if Trayvon HAD gotten high in the hours before the attack, that would be
even more evidence of non/aggressiveness, which THC tends to engender.

Alcohol is associated with violence and wobbly self/control.
And releasing feelings of pent/up rage.

THC is associated with feelings like, Wow, man, look at that sunset!

The THC is a non/factor.

However, what I would like to know is if Zimmerman had any METH in his body
when the attack occurred.

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By grokker, May 18, 2012 at 11:25 am Link to this comment

Zimmerman was not the “law”. He was a block watch wannabe cop, who, in following protocol should have alerted real police and not exited the vehicle gun in hand or not. If block watch sentinels confront people on the street “everyday”, as you put it, they are not following what they are recommended to do and deserve to be confronted in turn. How convenient (for Zimmerman)that we will probably never know who started the physical altercation since one of the combatants is dead. Unless of course, the state is witholding even more information for the slow drip narcotic media effect. And IMax, don’t pull the race card with me (“fear of black people”). I don’t give a damn about any of that. That’s media bullshit that I don’t subscribe to.

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By balkas, May 18, 2012 at 10:06 am Link to this comment

one reaps what one sows, people everywhere say.
i strongly disagree with that saw.
apodictic truth says that past behaviors of whatever kind and no matter how evil, do not determine future behavior; and a fortiori
so that of a group of people known as nation, folk, people.
so, the blacks, under just the right conditions, are not predetermined to be forever the lowest bipeds; most unemployable; least
equal-able people in u.s.
which, of course they are now and had been for the last 300-400 yrs.
what does then determine todays or yesterday’s black people’s lot?
THINKING-POWERS, my dear—and only thinking-power decides blacks’ fate.
that’s the evil white people have been sowing for millennia and darkies/blacks of egypt for, say, 10 millennia.
which means that we whites in greece 3.5 k y and in roman empire 2.5 k y ago have learned it from egyptians.
from greece and rome, the greatest evil to have befallen us, spread to british isles, c. and e. europe.
so what to expect if the THINKING STAYS the same? even deeper division between and more murders among blacks and whites
and not less! yes, 100% sure!
one ‘solution’ might entail shipping blacks s’mwhen-s’mwhere…
not to afrika because whites own her too…
oh my goddevil, where to then? since whites own the planet as well and still think the same! but i hear they are building more
prisons?
in any case, fear not, they’ll think of s’mthing. they always do! they always get away! is that their deal?

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By IMax, May 18, 2012 at 9:55 am Link to this comment

grokker,

I think it’s important to note that, apart from the national media attention, this situation is not unique.

We don’t know that Zimmerman exited his vehicle with his weapon in-hand or concealed.  There is nothing illegal about exiting a vehicle.  Nor is it illegal to approach an individual on the street (Block Watch sentinels do it every day).  You’re guessing that Martin was simply walking down a road or street.  According to Zimmerman, true or not, that was not the case.

It’s likely bunk for so many to claim how “fear of black people” played a role in this particular situation.  The area where Zimmerman lived, and Martin was visiting, is predominantly black/Hispanic.  This fact suggests that it was not Martin’s pigmentation which made him stand out.

Who began the actual physical altercation?

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By grokker, May 18, 2012 at 7:34 am Link to this comment

IMax—- All the injury evidence proves is that there was a scuffle. It will all come down to why did Zimmerman feel the need to get out of the car. That’s what escalated the situation from a “concerned” block watch guy just doing his self imposed duty to putting Martin in a defensive mode. I sure would be in a very defensive mode if some dude jumped out of a car with a gun and I was just walking down the street.

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By Jim Yell, May 18, 2012 at 7:08 am Link to this comment
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These are the things we actually know. Trayvon had gone to the store to buy two items which he had on him when he was walking back to his father’s apartment.

Pot is not a dangerous drug what ever the public is told.

Zimmerman had been told by the cops that they would take care of the situation and told specifically to not follow Trayvon.

The only way that Zimmerman could have had a confrontation with Trayvon was for him to have ignored the police and continued his harrassment of Trayvon.

We are supposed to give Zimmerman a pass that he was protecting himself, but what about Trayvon. It seems clear to me that Zimmerman’s continued pursuit of Trayvon, from Trayvon’s point of view was a weird older man was up to no good.

It was a stupid occurance that would not have happened except for Zimmerman’s paranoid pursuit of someone who was only going about his own business. Being the supposed Adult in the encounter it is Zimmerman who is at fault and it is Zimmerman that must pay.

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By balkas, May 18, 2012 at 6:02 am Link to this comment

zimm was, according all i read so far, very high on sumpting for at least .
a decade.
we all know or shld know what the substance is, on which GZ and so
many americans are on: hatred-fear of blacks.

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By balkas, May 18, 2012 at 5:53 am Link to this comment

that darn little pistol may have looked awfully suspicious to trayvon.
nah, he wasn’t frightened a bit by it—it just looked a bit funni to a kid high on drugs and excitement.
anyhow, trayvon wanted it, said zimm. and only then zimm get’s really scared.
unlike the kid, zimm knew the power of a gun and that kids—and black ones high on drugs and on intent to
do supting no good, especially—shld never be allowed to play with it.
i wonder if TM was still pummeling george with one hand while reaching for zimm’s gun with the other?
but it wasn’t, according to zimm, only the gun that threatened his life; the beatings—in which GZ sustained
several broken ribs, two or three splitheads, nose tweak, etc., and loss of at least 5 liters of blood—also did.
in any case, whatever the ‘truth’ [there isn’t any, except manufactured one] we all agree it was a thrilling
event. it lasted seven minutes. boy, did they have stamina, devotion to their causes, or sumpting else?
more thrills, surprises, entertainment to come for sure. the war for or against hearts and minds is on!

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By John Poole, May 18, 2012 at 5:31 am Link to this comment
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Grokker-  Knowing how the media manipulated the 911 content to “sex up” the
case into racial profiling anything is possible now.  Justice -as defined by history-
is an expanding business opportunity today. Look for the video game of STAND
YOUR GROUND next.

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By IMax, May 18, 2012 at 3:37 am Link to this comment

According to ABC News, George Zimmerman’s family doctor saw him the morning after the shooting of Trayvon Martin.  The doctor’s observations reportedly noted Zimmerman suffered a broken nose, two black eyes, bruises on his face and lip, two cuts on the back of his head, and a back injury.

The NBC affiliate in Florida is reporting that the medical director who performed the autopsy on Trayvon Martin found two injuries on his body:  the gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles.

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By socalcde, May 17, 2012 at 10:49 pm Link to this comment

No mention of the meds that Zimmerman is said to have had in his system the night of the murder? “Zimmerman told the fire department medics he was taking temazepam, a medication to treat anxiety or insomnia, and librax”

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By Gulam, May 17, 2012 at 10:42 pm Link to this comment

Ask any experienced police officer, in private, and he is likely to tell you that this
evidence makes it even less likely that the kid did anything violent to justify his
murder or even to set off the maniac that killed him. Police here tell me that they
are never called to home where there has been violence when pot was the only
substance consumed. Violence goes up with alcohol and down with pot, though a
mix may be less predictable.

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By fitley, May 17, 2012 at 8:59 pm Link to this comment

Apparently George was able to pick up that information with his NI**ervision.

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By radson, May 17, 2012 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment

You see folks George took the war on drugs personally
apparently Trayvon didn’t listen to Nancy Reagan’s advice.So get pissed on tequila and everything will be just fine.By the way the PATS are used to hoodies

cheers

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By grokker, May 17, 2012 at 6:19 pm Link to this comment

The only really interesting thing about this whole situation is the time release nature of “evidence” as it’s given to the public. Here we are, a full 2 months since the shooting and we get spoon fed this and that as if it were some kind of drug. A time release drug designed to manipulate the consciousness of the nation.
Soon, it no longer matters whether justice is served, as long as the spectacle can be wheeled out as some commodity by the media.

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By stands to reason, May 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment
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Don’t mean a thing. If it was alcohol, then he could have been
impaired enough to do the supposed attack on zimmerman.

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