I agree with jc.

I suppose you can attribute what appears below to shrewd manipulation by the likes of Sarah Palin who, as recent news has it, had the liberal left press of America “reading” out of the palm of her hand.  Nah.

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“The client list from the software programmer believed to have crashed his plane into the Echelon* building in Austin Texas reads like a guidebook to defense contractors with connections to 9/11, NSA and Homeland Security.

The FBI had his webpage removed (the screen message previously said that the FBI had it removed) from the internet, but of course the client list from the webpage has been archived. As first discovered by Cryptogon, the client list has corporations on it such as Interstate Electronics Corporation, which needed Mr. Stack’s help on developing a GPS-based Fight Management System of all things. IEC is a wholly owned subsidiary of L-3 which is a defence contractor with obvious Homeland Security and NSA connections. There is also this report from Wayne Madsen on Oped News of an L-3 consultant to the NSA who had watched a live feed of the first 9/11 plane impact as it happened. L-3 is included among corporations which were investigated by the SEC for unusual stock put-options in relation to 9/11.”

http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2010/02/joseph-andrew-stack-had-911-nsa-cia-and.html

CPAC comes out in favor of Joe Stack, at least symbolically. Ron Paul, the Libertarian from Texas, won the straw poll for Pesident with 31 percent of the vote.

Their “vision” for the future is modelled after the Revivalist meetings of the Old South replete with bright-eyed, shiny-faced children preachers. 

O C-SPAN I saw an interview with their versions of Ken and Barbie and the other with a “Child” preacher/communicator. They both preached the new age of little or no government and freedom, and liberty and liberty and freedom.

They are changing from hymns to a call and response motif.  Uncie Drunkie, Boehner and the Mortician, Mitch McConnel, call for less taxes so their children and grandchildren won’t have to pay their freight, and the youthful movement replies, “Hell no, we won’t pay.

CPAC had to move to a larger hotel to accomodate the growing membership as George Will points out.  But I think, that those who attended are IT.  That’s all she wrote.

They want to inspire with:  “Our children will have to pay.”  Followed by, “Hell no, we won’t pay.”

They should adopt an anthem like, “Don’t Fuck Around with Taxes”. And a motto, “I’ll give up my Ferrari when you extract my body from the wreckage.”

At their Deejarling Special in Nashville, the attendees were charged 500 bucks to hear Palin speak and have the opportunity to buy a baseball cap and a tee shirt.

I think P.T. Barnum’s rate of sucker production has to be increased from one every minute to one every second.

I am sure for the homeless and average unemployed American household a tax cut is foremost on their minds, and I’m sure they talk incessantly about deficit reduction.

I’m waiting for a folk song like, “The Legend of Joe Stack.”  No disrespect to Joe Stack intended.  We’ll be able to tell by the quality of the song just which side wrote it.
Whew!

Here on AlterNet is an article giving a strong clue as to reasoning behind the Austin Flyer giving up:

http://www.alternet.org/story/145667/the_economic_elite_have_engineered_an_extraordinary_coup,_threatening_the_very_existence_of_the_middle_class

“We all have very strong differences of opinion on many issues. However, like our founding fathers before us, we must put aside our differences and unite to fight a common enemy.”—David DeGraw

I agree wholeheartedly with David DeGraw.

Nemesis, here’s another relevant thought from George Carlin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO0-u900OG4&feature=related

Well he managed to only murder one such “tree” in that forest and injure 13 others. A poor legacy and a dangerous and wrong way to go. Watch the IRS garner his SS so his surviving wife and child can’t get it. A poor example as the French Revolution was. Both went down the wrong path and they both (could) generate a dictatorship in their place & many innocents dead. I see nothing good in what he did so he gets no praise from me, faint or bold. Just condemnation of a terrorist who should have written his manifesto and committed suicide by himself for himself only.

But, he made a statement with his life that I heard; hopefully others will as well.  If enough of the populace hear his statement, change will come by means of the populace.

Since he was throwing his life away anyway, he could have done better by leading the populace, but he was unable to think out of the box and realize there’s a 200 million movable forest out there that needs a leader, but he did the best he knew how.

He did make a statement as to the governments oppression and tyranny that hopefully will be remembered by at least some of the populace. 

Government oppression and tyranny didn’t start with President Obama, he has only recently took the reins, oppression and tyranny started full blown with the Reagan administration, when liberal, socialism and populace were made dirty words by the Conservative Right-Wing Republican Movement against the populace.

Humor is good for the soul Ardee. We need more of it here. Thanks for the laughs.

elisalouisa, February 19 at 11:09 pm #

I am glad that smiling face is included in that last sentence Ardee. But you never
know. Next you’ll be saying that you were on the Ten Most Wanted along with
Angela Davis(with another smiling face of course.)

Ten LEAST wanted more like. I did attend several Davis lecture while she was at SFSTate…..insert frowny face for contrast.

I almost always find myself agreeing to most
everything Samson says.

For people who are foolish enough to believe that big government is not their enemy, or that there are boundaries between the corporations and big government, and don’t seem to understand that the plutocracy is both…

Some time ago the IRS was investigated by congress, and found to be so out of bounds, so abusive toward the citizens of this country, that they created a federal agency, whose sole purpose is to help citizens protect themselvs against the IRS, that being the office of Tax Payer advocate.

The IRS is the only federal agency that has an office to protect the people against another federal agency. It is unknown at this point whether or not Mr. Stack was involved with them, or if he tried to get help there.

I’m sure they are quite busy.

I am glad that smiling face is included in that last sentence Ardee. But you never
know. Next you’ll be saying that you were on the Ten Most Wanted along with
Angela Davis(with another smiling face of course.)

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=10239

Ouroborus, February 19 at 2:01 pm #

ardee, February 19 at 9:28 am

I’d also like an example of change coming from within the system.

Working to elect more Green Party and other third party candidates in order to break the monopoly of the Duopoly pledged to support those who make the biggest campaign contributions comes immediately to mind. There are many other ways as well.

elisalouisa, February 19 at 4:13 pm #

Yes, Ardee, like we have done. We never made the headlines, at least I didn’t, I can’t say for you. I am not condoning what he did but this puts more of a scare in those who rule than a non-violent protest.

Scare who? Those who live in mansions behind closely guarded walls? What ruler was even remotely nearby the scene of this tragedy?

The chances are good that, should this sort of occurrence become more frequent, it will lead directly to martial law and the ending of those few civil rights we still may enjoy.

As to making headlines…I admit nothing, like I said to my good friends Bernadine and Bill.

Right is corporations and the elite.  Left is the populace.

What entertainment! MediaCorp’s spinning on this lashing back at AmeriCorp Empire. Left, right, left, right! They just don’t get it! Most Americans are a little left of center and can be classified as left or right on any number of different issues. The Department of Truth tries to paint every issue as either/or, black/white, left/right, but life is not possessed of such clear delineation; life is gray matter!

The left-right distinction is one of AmeriCorp’s most efficient propaganda tools. The illusion that is created is of a vertical dividing line between left and right. It’s the old divide and conquer battle plan. The truth is that the populace—except for the extremists—is not divided between left and right. The real line of delineation is horizontal and separates the masses of poor, working, and middle classes from that the super-wealthy, political, and corporate classes along with their henchmen who perform their dirty work.

It’s obvious by his manifesto that Joe was a fairly average American Joe! Joe Stack’s “more flash than substance” rage against the Machine is yet another sign that the putrid cesspit of corruption, avarice, oppression, and pillage is crumbling! The super-wealthy never learn history’s lessons, their avarice and hubris blind them to the consequences their acts of pillage and violence reap unto their own heads! They bring it on themselves!

This is just the beginning of sorrows for AmericaCorp’s elitists. What’s in store for them when more troops muster out only to find that there are no jobs and that while they were being used as canon fodder pillaging other nations’ resources on behalf of AmericaCorp and its profits that their families were being pillaged by their AmeriCorp overlords? Unlike Joe Stack, the soldiers are trained and bloodied! For years the elitists have been chipping away at the middle class—the security barrier between them and their extinction by the masses—and now people are realizing that the national divide isn’t left vs. right but rather the poor, working and middle classes vs. the AmeriCorp elitists and their henchmen!

George Carlin summed it all up perfectly years ago: “The American Dream”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q&NR=1

Skip the spin and go straight to the source:

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-
gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2010/02/18/internet_note_posted_by_man_li.ht
ml

It’s rather sad, occasionally eloquent. Decidedly NOT tea-party jingoism.

No, this is the account of a man who has seen the American Myt—ahem, Dream,
blow up in his face. It’s the story of a betrayal of ideals.

I wonder if it will hasten others to same realizations…

I just saw the footage of the Stack story in Austin.  The Austin news identified the building as housing offices of the IRS and the CIA. 

So far, only two bodies have been recovered, Stacks and an unidentified person.  How many were in the building?  The crash occurred at around 10:00 am and the traffic on the highway next to the building was moderate to heavy.  Should not more people have been at work?  Or are they bankers, too?

The fire and the damage to the building were tremendous.  It seems a little like too large a fire and too much damage for a small plane to cause.

It looks like Stacks was an unlucky dupe, and if you consider Dick Armey’s army as a fifth column, then the Stacks Incident could be considered a false flag.  Terrorists!  Terrorists!  Give up your freedom so that we can have more freedom.

Again, I warn anyone, after what Israel did in Dubai with stolen Irish and British passports, check your passport.

And don’t return any zany flyers that you receive that say that some illegal group is taking over Las Vegas, or something or other.  I got one and the sender wanted me to return it signed to Senator John Kerry’s office.  Methinks something is rotten in the office of the good old fraternity mate of George Bush.

Samson,
Sure, Tea Baggers have a lot of the same frustrations that Liberals and Progressives have. No secret there, since we’re all in the same leaky boat called “America”. Several things, though, hold many people back from having a civil discourse with tea baggers. One is their barely contained racism, and in too many cases not so “barely contained” at all. Tea Baggers are largely an angry White Person’s Movement. Another problem is their astonishing ability to add 2 + 2 and come up with 5 for an answer. Waving corporate funded signs decrying Health Care as Socialism while at the same time screaming about “taking your filthy government hands off my Medicare” is a typical example. In short, it’s hard to have a civil discourse with people who are racist, crazy and stupid.

Let us hope this doesn’t set off copy cats from a stand alone complex. Some of these may not be imitators but those waiting to have a reason to carry out their terrorist reactions. Like they have been given permission to do what they have contemplated before. Yes this is terrorism, with the IRS being the primary target. Some of what he wrote sounded “Leftist” but much of it was just from a frustrated person who did the worse possible thing—-become a murderer and terrorist to make his point.

Heather one can hate the Catholic church for supporting pedophiles and still be Christian. Or do you confuse the human organization with the general religion?

Mr. Stack has many problems that people of all political stripes have. He can fit all or none of the limited designations (Left/Right) which do not begin to cover the real spectrum out there. He definitely lost his sanity and through the limitations of civilization away. He also boobytrapped his car but it was safely disarmed.

He gave more that “a pound of flesh” to the IRS an we shall see if others take up his violent call. It won’t help any of us but it will help those he attacked. That is certainly the icing on that deadly cake.

I think it’s sad that so many people are trying to play this incident politically.  The man was not of the Left, Right or Center; he was unhinged by his misfortunes.  There is no reason to associate him with any political group.

Yesterday, Obama came to CO.  The reason is to interfere in our local democracy in order to promote his pro-war, pro-corporation, anti-health care Senator who’s facing a primary challenge from some local Dem who’s suddenly become ‘progressive’ (after years of not showing it while in office —apparently running Al Gore’s playbook).

Anyways, there were protests, so I went out to see what’s going on.  The largest group was a bunch of ‘tea baggers’, so I went over and was talking with them.

My guess is that I agreed with about 80% of what they were saying.  Not everything. There were a couple of things they said that made me bite my tongue in favor of civil conversation.  And there were a couple of things I said that seemed to cause some similar tongue biting on their part.  But, by and large I was able to hold many interesting conversations while out there.  There’s plenty that we agree about.

No big surprise to me. I know we are ruled by a corrupt bunch who do nothing but work to give more money and power to their friends and contributors.  Doesn’t matter which party they are from.

And by and large, most ‘tea baggers’ feel the same.  They are upset about most of the same things that upset people on the left, they just see it from a different point of view.

Of course, when I talked to some of the leftist out there and said that they should go over and talk to the American flag contingent over there, they mostly all looked at me like I was crazy.  Everyone was way too indoctrinated with ‘hate the tea baggers’ to possibly consider going over and having a civil conversation.

Divide and conquer is a very old strategy.  What people should be asking is why are people on the left constantly trying to stir up such hatred to people who share at least a large chunk of our views?

You see this a lot from so-called opposition websites from the left.  An incredible amount of hatred is stirred up towards anyone who opposes the same policies from a right or libertarian point of view.

It seems to me that some people are very afraid that the left opposition and the right opposition might actually talk to each other.  Got to stir up a lot of hatred and fear to make sure that doesn’t happen.

Makes me wonder what agenda is behind that?  If the goal is to create an effective opposition, then talking with each other, finding common ground, and building alliances on issues where we find common ground seems to be a very logical step.

It seems like there’s some people working very hard to make sure that doesn’t happen.

More desperate Democrats trying to stir people up.

Back when Bush was in power, you used to hear a lot about the ‘politics of fear’.  But, can’t everyone see that this is exactly what the Democrats are doing.

The Democrats know their policies suck and that most of the country hates what they are doing.  And, its not just republicans who can’t stand what the Democrats are doing, its a large percentage of the people who got conned into voting Democrat in the last election.

The Democrats didn’t exactly run on a platform of expanding and escalating wars, trillions of dollars for wall street bankers while workers are told they must bear the sacrifices of first no aid and now budget cuts to reduce the now bloated deficit.

So, the Democrats are now cranking up the fear machine.  You must be very afraid of Sarah Palin of all people.  You must be very afraid of ‘tea baggers’.  Whatever you do, you must be very afraid, and you must vote Democrat because of your fears.

Aren’t we sick and tired of this sort of politics yet?

A palestenian man wakes up to the news that his oldest son was apprehended,tortured and later killed because he was a suspected member of hamas,he grieves for a month or so,but then he realizes life goes on and he still have to find a way to provide for the rest of his family,he trudges to work to his shoe repair shop after spending a better part of his day going through barriers and check points where he is searched,ridiculed and humiliated.
After a long day at the the shop where he didnt see a single customer because no one really can afford to have his shoes repaired because there’s not much money to afford the next meal.He hears the news from his neighbor that his youngest son and wife were killed in their meager farm by a bomb which was suppose to target the terrorists.
He goes to an empty house which is almost in rubble after the afternoon raid.
He spends a sleepless night and at the crack of dawn,he wears a wrap around belt on which there is approximately twenty kilos of TNT and starts the short journey that will bring him to the nearest check point.

From eyewitness accounts on the ground, Stack was leaning back in his seat, still, heading right into the building.
I think Mr. Stack was dead before he hit the building,  murdered. 
This incident just stirs up the pot for the Government weavers to spin another web of anger, counter-anger, the expected plea for common sense to prevail, and a sense of hopelessness among the common people.  Is this what needs to be done?

The news papers should investigate this story as much as they did the Amy Bishop case at the University of Alabama and in Massachusetts killings.
But then some news reporters might start showing up “suicided.”

Check your passports.  Make sure you still have them.

I take issue with calling Stack’s actions “Tea-party
terrorism”.  By such generalization the media, and
yes, even the “left-wing blogosphere” over-simplifies
the very real grievances this man had.  We can
disagree with his ultimate actions, but as many have
pointed out, non-violent protesting seems to get us
nowhere.  When non-violent activists and people
around the world protested going to war with Iraq the
media ignored or underplayed their efforts.  Had such
protests involved riots and molatovs the media would
have been all over it.  Perhaps another grievance
involves the media—it’s pursuit of profit and
sensationalism over truth and accuracy. 

I think the left (me included) needs to recognize
that there is a big difference between
Conservative/Republican/tea party “anti-government”
sentiments and anarchistic anti-government ideology. 
The former is not in practice “anti” government but
“pro” fascism—pro the Right controlling all aspects
of government through corporations.  Anarchistic
anti-government, in my interpretation, looks more
like Thoreau’s notion of self-reliance—everyone is
self-responsible and reciprocates with others when
necessary what they need to create a mutually
beneficial society.  This takes work since there
would be no centralized “authority” to dictate the
behaviors/actions of others.  Of course, this type of
pipe dream is less likely to manifest than the
Republican nightmare world, but there’s always
hoping.

To return to Stack’s notions of anti-government:  I
place him in the latter category, not the “teabagger”
category.  And from my exploration of the tax codes
regarding his line of work, I can see how he would
blame “big” government” (under Reagan, recall) for
his personal woes.  It’s really a shame that our
venues for public discussion—real public discussion,
not soundbite, bumpersticker, emotion-ridden blurbs—
have been quickly, and quietly shutting down. 
Perhaps had Stack had such a venue to air his
grievances and BE HEARD, as we all want more or less,
he would not have resorted to such drastic, and
counter-productive (?) measures.

It’s sad, because the Left is so, so big, but this man accepted the Right-Wing’s FRAME and couldn’t see any other way out.

Last two sentences in Joe Stack’s note on the Internet (cannot verify that really
is his note.)

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to
his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to
his greed.

Joe Stack (1956-2010)

02/18/2010

“I wish this poor bereft man had made a wiser choice and tried to effect change from within.”
Yes, Ardee, like we have done. We never made the headlines, at least I didn’t, I can’t say for you. I am not condoning what he did but this puts more of a scare in those who rule than a non-violent protest.

How do we know any of the information and internet posts are correct or authentic?  Terrorist attacks are often followed by many claims and counterclaims, with many different groups trying to spin things in their favor. 
Why would someone angry at corporations attack the IRS?  Why didn’t he fly into Monsanto or a bank?  Just think how nice this works our for the right: Spread fear of terrorism, burn down an IRS office, and blame the left! 
I would not jump to conclusions about anything here.  This whole thing does not make much sense at this point.

PatrickHenry, February 19 at 10:32 am;
Lock and load! Thanks for posting the link; Forgot!
=============================================
“This is what happens when one percieves they have
nothing left to lose because everything has been taken
from them, just ask a Palestinian.”
=============================================
Excellent point!
We’re well on the way.

Profound statement, opening shot of a new tax revolution?

Stacks letter:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/JoeStack.htm

This is what happens when one percieves they have nothing left to lose because everything has been taken from them, just ask a Palestianian.

ardee, February 19 at 9:28 am

Might I suggest you read his internet posting letter;
all 7 pages of it.
I’d also like an example of change coming from within
the system.

I think the real astonishing thing is that there havent been more of such actions here in America. I do not seek to condone this misplaced and distorted bit of activism but do understand the frustration, hopleessness and rage that motivated it.

I wish this poor bereft man had made a wiser choice and tried to effect change from within.

The suicide note made good points about the corruption and class nature of our system. They did not justify an attack on the IRS building. Little good can come from such actions The IRS may be a cathartic target but it is not where the laws are made and shows a lack of depth of understanding about the system. As our economy continues to deteriorate and people lose everything, I expect many more will snap.

This is why people lose faith in the official “liberal” side of the coin in America or more “liberal” media outlets, instead of addressing the very real grievances which drove this guy to commit this horrible act, they immediately slam it as “Tea Party terrorism.” A lot of the anger and desperation felt by people like this is pretty equally spread across left and right-wing America. Since when is protesting inequality or domination by the fatcats an exclusively “Tea Party” thing? Real leftists would feel ashamed to be lumped with those defending the rich.

He wasn’t terrorist.  He was just an American man who was fed up with the
ongoing and ever increasing injustice in the system.

It’s sad that it’s coming to this.  Maybe the people at the top will finally start to
realize that the giant that they so fear, is now awake.  And that any more
propaganda by them (the lying and all their efforts to divide the citizenry with
their media) or imposing further draconian measures (like even more illegal spying on everyone) will only make the giant angrier and angrier.

I hope for all of us, that they have enough sense to see what is going on and
where all of this is rapidly leading. 

Maybe they could start by listening to 1000 plus architects and engineers who
are now speaking out against the absolutely crazy, Bush Cheney 911 Story. 
The government/media told us that Story the same day it happened and then
the government/media stopped asking any further questions about that crazy
day (in fact, if anyone doubted the Bush Story or had any questions about the
Bush Story they were immediately labeled crazy or unpatriotic).  Nothing we
were told about that day makes any sense at all.   

It’s no wonder the people at top don’t want any sort of trial for the
“mastermind” (“plotter”) who maybe wouldn’t be the “mastermind” (“plotter”)
without all that continuous U. S. torture he received (from Bush, Cheney,
Rumsfeld and Yoo who all should be immediately indicted for war crimes and
other crimes against humanity).

Joe Stack! American hero? Maybe!

There is a seething rrrage brewing out here in the hinterlands… and it ain’t just the right that’s mad ass hell! Forget al Qaeda. Forget Osama bin Laden! Think Joe Sixpack and/or Joe Socialist… breeding TIMOTHY McVEIGH FRANCHISES in a desperate and suicidal endeavor to stop the vile corp-rat controlled beast that capitalist/fascist Amerika has become.

Our glorious [sic] “leaders” in $ewertown (Washington D.C.) haven’t a clue of the hatred and resentment that the majority of Amerikans have toward them. And the right-$wingin’ Neanderthals (the Palin Repub-lie-cons) are no less inclined to serve the needs of the common wealth than the left-$winging baboonies in the Democrat-rat party.

Today Joe Stack! Tomorrow… it’s gonna be Joe Sixpack in a UPS uniform wheeling a hundred pounds of C-4 plastic explosives into the lobby of Goldman $acks… or maybe the corp-rat offices of Monsanto, the vicious corp-rat company whose $cientists are turning the world’s food supply into $hit.

Yesss… a lot of us out here want a pound of flesh from Amerika’s ruling class, and we want to roast that flesh over the flames of their burning mansions.

Beware rich man! Beware! The gap between the haves and have $nots in the UNITED $TATES OF PERPETUAL WAR PROFITEERING has become interminably wide. This means there is no safe roads for your limo. No safe schools for your children. No future for them.

Screw the damn troops in Iraq-nam and Afghanistan-nam. The lousy troops are nothing more than agents for war mongering capitalists in the Pentagon (a.k.a.: the military industrial complex)... and the damn bankster gamblers in the Wall $treet casino. Our troops are not heros! Joe Stack is a hero! See it! See it!

Yesss… beware rich man! Beware!

Listen up! A hungry man is a sad thing, but when a hungry man sees his children hungry, he becomes a guerrilla. He becomes extremely dangerous.

The ruling class ignores the welfare of the common wealth at their extreme peril! Think of Mussolini hanging from the light pole. Think of $addamn Insane hanging from a rope. See what happened to the Czar and his family in old Russia. Fix it! Employ common $ense for the $ake of the common wealth… or $uffer similar consequences.

Be sure and spell my name correct-lie for the Homeland $ecurity files… comrade! There millions of guys like me out here… and we’re mad ass hell!

I agree with Ehren, did the author of this even read the suicide note?

As Gerald Celente has said over and over again, when people lose everything, they lose it.

And no matter how much they try to portray this man as disturbed, or crazy, it won’t work. Because there are millions of American’s that feel backed up against the wall just like he did.

Where was his bailout, where was his help when he needed it? My guess is the government was about to take his whole life away, yet again. Wouldn’t you be a little bit disturbed over that? When you watch what the government did for the Banksters, all at taxpayer expense?

It certainly shouldnt and absolutely doesnt have to come to suicide or murder. All people have to do is register and vote libertarian. Thats all it would take to start in a new direction. Im afraid that as soon as the new direction turned toward personal responsibility as the only safety net it would be back to the same bull-shit game were playing now.

Blow-backs a bitch; especially from one of your own.
The IRS is the most hated government agency extant.
Watch citizen surveillance, aka spying, go to maximum.
Hello big brother and your twin.