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Assange Freed on Bail in BritainPosted on Dec 16, 2010
On Thursday, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange was sprung from jail on bail in London, where he addressed a press throng, cracking wise about how justice in the British system is “not dead yet” and thanking his legal team and journalists who “were not all taken in and considered to look deeper in their work.” While he was at it, Assange discussed a rumor that his legal team was heeding about an indictment made against him in the U.S. and said he was more concerned “about being extradited to the U.S.” than to Sweden. —KA Video of Assange’s post-release speech follows the excerpt below.
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By Kath Cantarella, December 17, 2010 at 11:13 am Link to this comment
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You know what the Assange case combined with three months of activism for abortion law reform has taught me? That most of society’s underlying attitudes to sexual assault and abortion is enough to permanently turn me into a raving misanthropist.
Humanity = epic fail.
Happy hols, everyone, because we all so richly deserve it.
Report thisBy fearnotruth, December 17, 2010 at 7:33 am Link to this comment
I immediately questioned the 3-mill number, and usually don’t dismiss out of hand, so followed this up myself - there’s a long IT-security-related discussion here http://tinyurl.com/33q3osk
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I keep on seeing the number ‘3 million’ floating around, but I’m not quite sure. The active military for the U.S. (if I can trust Wikipedia to have at least 2 sig-digits of precision) contains 1.5 million soldiers and 580000 civilian employees, 830000 reservists, and 97000 other ‘DOD Personnel’.
I assume for the sake of argument that only a subset of these people are tasked with the job of reviewing SIPR data and presenting important portions to local commanding officers. Thus, the number of active-duty military people with authorized access should be less than 1000000 (million), and may be less than 100000 (hundred thousand).
I do not know the size of the Dept. of State, but the same rule applies. Not all employees of the Dept. of State have authorized access to the data that ends up on SIPR.
While ‘3 million’ makes a great catchphrase, I can’t reconcile it with the data available.
All of Bruce’s comments still apply, but with the caution that it the leaker may be one person in 50000 or one person in 100000, rather than 1 in 3000000. Posted by: karrde at December 9, 2010 10:31 AM
To correct myself:
It is likely that the U.S. Dept. of State has 22000 employees, per Answers.com http://wiki.answers.com/Q/...
The Wikipedia reference about the size of the U.S. Military is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Posted by: karrde at December 9, 2010 10:33 AM
Report thisBy fearnotruth, December 17, 2010 at 5:38 am Link to this comment
RE: 3,000,000 people in the USA with sufficient clearance to access them.
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- a source for that?
- of 3 million, only this one Pfc. is tempted to copy and disseminate?
some with NSA background, assert contrary to this
e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MQXeIm4kd4
scroll to 11:30 for commentary on Manning’s presumed copying files
scroll back to 11:00 to hear of other ‘leaks’ (not from Manning)
clearly this operation is bigger than the players in the forefront
- useful tools, useful fools? - hard to say, many unknown factors
again - no ‘character assassination’ per se by innuendo or otherwise
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unfortunately, too many here exhibit adolescent inability to engage
Report thisin polemic free of gratuitous ad hominem invective - distracting,
but easily dismissed - save the keystrokes and the embarrassment
By glider, December 17, 2010 at 3:02 am Link to this comment
fearnolie,
I really am fearing for your mental health. Again, I re-emphasize that your standard of proof for accusing Assange of being an Israeli/American agent is astonishingly low. Your ability to grasp reality is marginal to completely gone.
“how so junior an officer as..Manning, manage to copy…so many files?”
Oh really, well the reality is these are low grade confidential files and from my understanding there are about 3,000,000 people in the USA with sufficient clearance to access them. Is it really that outrageous that the government could screw up like this with that kind of exposure? I think not.
“always ask: who benefits?”
Oh really, well please recognize that the government/MIC exercises extraordinary control over the media. No matter what the event this propaganda machine will spin it to their advantage. Is it so hard for you to believe that this institution might pick and choose stories favorable to their agenda when thousands of releases are available? And just what was the benefit of revealing the collateral murder video (oh right, I forgot, it is to legitimize Wikileaks before they pull the big one!).
Does any of your irresponsible obscene innuendo require a shred of evidence? No and that is the problem! Realize that anyone can make this shit up about anyone at anytime. Get a grip on yourself!
Report thisBy fearnotruth, December 17, 2010 at 12:09 am Link to this comment
RE: Self-Righteous, Self-Involved, Narcissistic Hypocrites.
typically intended to provoke even more L-vs-R / love-it-or-leave it, petty,
stumble-bum, histrionic, gutter rumbling
don’t fall for it - the issue requires a deeper look - consider that if not ‘rich
assets,’ possibly then useful tools e.g.:
December 7, 2010, 9:00 PM - Opinonator - NY Times
Is Julian Assange Helping the Neocons?
By ROBERT WRIGHT
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Yet in one sense Assange is the anti-anti-Bush.
Bush was criticized for unilateralist tendencies, for failing to nurture good
relations with other nations — and, in particular, for writing off suspect nations
(see “axis of evil”) as barely worth talking to at all. Obama came into office
vowing “engagement.” He would reach out to other nations, emphatically
including those with whom relations were most fraught, like Russia and Muslim
nations, even including Iran.
If our government quit keeping explosive secrets about what it’s doing abroad,
then what it’s doing abroad would change.
Engagement is the search for win-win outcomes to non-zero-sum games. As
any game theorist can tell you, a key to reaching those outcomes is
communication, and the communication is most fruitful when there is mutual
trust. Well, thanks to Assange, many nations will now hesitate to speak candidly
with us, fearing that their private utterances might go public.
Communication, and trust, may also be cooled by our recently revealed
appraisals of foreign leaders. I’m guessing the Turks won’t warm to the cable
from Ankara that looked forward to a day when “we will no longer have to deal
with the current cast of [Turkish] political leaders, with their special yen for
destructive drama and rhetoric.” And Vladimir Putin can’t be liking our
depiction of him as a slacker thug.
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from http://tinyurl.com/34y3p43
Report thisBy Covert Alert, December 16, 2010 at 11:49 pm Link to this comment
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I like to think how different he might look walking out of a jail in Russia, China, or any other nation who is not as press friendly. I agree with Go Right. Of all the crap being covered up by other powerful nations known to abuse human rights, why pick the US. If someone from Iran or Russia were to step forward with hundreds of confidential documents, would he act in the same manner?
Of course if he released a load of Russian documents, would the US react in the same manner? Would the US stand for Russia’s right to have state secrets kept secret or would the US come to Assange’s rescue and wave the banner of freedom of the press?
Report thisBy CaptRon, December 16, 2010 at 10:34 pm Link to this comment
In regard to young Manning, he creates the question(s) that irritate me for not being aware. He maintained the rank of PFC, so I have observed. The fact that a person in the Army with the rank of PFC, which is given usually for completing Basic training, was allowed the responsibility to protect government secret information or at least access to it. That alone allows reason for question. Put that together with coincidental(?) timing of bringing Assange to reckoning for what focus of charge seems to me more of a worry to keep people from knowing just how much the financial sector controls, at least to me. The book “Family of Secrets” by Russ Baker tediously uses his investigation prowess to showcase just how our system can be and probably is manipulated and by who. Found it hard to read but enlightening to me and my naivety.
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, December 16, 2010 at 10:33 pm Link to this comment
Julian Assange, along with the entire WikiLeaks group, is, among many things, cowardly. Courageousness would involve meeting with Iranian dissidents, Russian journalists, Pakistani Christians, or Chinese human-rights activists — and then releasing any confidential information that they might have about the torment institutionalized by their countries’ authoritarian regimes. That would be much too risky for Assange, however, since such governments do not customarily go to court against their leakers; they gulag them — or liquidate them.
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Self-Righteous, Self-Involved, Narcissistic Hypocrites.
Report thisBy fearnotruth, December 16, 2010 at 9:51 pm Link to this comment
RE: ...odd that the governments didn’t really go after Assange until…
don’t give up questioning, especially if emotionally impacted, keep a clear head
who’s considered this: how so junior an officer as Bradley Manning, manage to
copy out of the Pentagon so many files? According to Wayne Madsen, former NSA
official, doing so would trigger a number of alarms
keep in mind the potential that this is a ‘deflective source disinformation’
Report thispsychological operation and always ask: who benefits?
By CaptRon, December 16, 2010 at 9:04 pm Link to this comment
Hope his security is good. Being a man with possibly damaging information toward the financial industry and their operations puts him in harms way. Found it odd that the governments didn’t really go after Assange until he related that banks were the next target for disclosures. They seemed to just talk about it after he divulged government material, but dare to attack the financial boys and the word got out to bury this guy in corruption. Almost CIA like. Not saying-just saying. Who does control this country? I said this on another popular blog and was immediately deleted due to content. If I were Assange, I would be worried more being out on bail. Hope he has all he needs hidden well, or do I?
Report thisBy glider, December 16, 2010 at 8:23 pm Link to this comment
Good News, although I think the U.S. Government has succeeded in their intent to make life as difficult as possible for Assange/Wikileaks. I hope Assange is able to manage this such that the release of Wikileaks exposures is not slowed. Fortunately it is a double edged sword for the U.S. to go after Assange in this manner. It draws a lot of attention to the leaks and validates the underhanded secret and hypocritical behavior of those in power in the highly undemocratic wing of the U.S. government.
Report thisBy gerard, December 16, 2010 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment
Letters to Eric Holder and to Senators, plus Amnesty International and American Civil Liberties might help, especially if letters are strong but not ranty. Also to John McCain due to his experiences in Vietnam. Also to American Red Cross to demand to ascertain Manning’s situation and condition, which Greenwald of Salon says is extremely isolated and severe—and with no charges yet issued. Also letters to local papers—if they’ll print them. Mine refused, which rather indicates the nastiness of “conservatism” if you can grace it with that name.
Report thisBy Napolean DoneHisPart, December 16, 2010 at 7:17 pm Link to this comment
“During my time in solitary confinement in the bottom of a Victorian prison I had time to reflect on the conditions of those people around the world also in solitary confinement, also on remand, in conditions that are more difficult than those faced by me. Those people also need your attention and support.”
Manning comes to mind.
Today’s empire truly resembles those of times of old… in the days of castles and serfs… of dungeons and inquisitions…
God Have Mercy on the REAL evil doers and Bless them… Bless them Bountifully!
Report thisBy Napolean DoneHisPart, December 16, 2010 at 7:08 pm Link to this comment
Well that’s good news!
I wonder if Assange will reach out with his popularity and network to help bring Manning out from the hole.
Even though the entity known as the military pretty much owns or is leasing Manning’s body at the moment, perhaps a ransom for his freedom can be negotiated.
It would be the LEAST Assange can do, really.
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