Probably not, since the correct translation of my posting name is cuervodeluna, my alternate posting name in internet.

BTW: blackbirds are mirlos.

You monolinguals are sooooooooooo tedious—especially when your stinking holograms still haunt sites long after you are gone.

but probably not.

Simplybad———- try getting a translation of “Lunapajaranegro” you just might
get the joke.

By Arabian Sinbad, March 18 at 4:57 pm comment

By heterochromatic, March 14 at 8:36 pm

Turns out the guys name is Sgt.Rudolfo Lunapajaranegro.
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Errata:

In a previous post, I identified the soldier who massacred 16 Afghans, most of them children and women, as Robert Dale! It seems I misheard his last name from CNN. His real name is Richard Bales. I stand correcting myself about the last name of this murderous white trash, who is from the same tribe where heter comes from; the tribe of sick racist, bigoted savages!

By heterochromatic, March 14 at 8:36 pm

Turns out the guys name is Sgt.Rudolfo Lunapajaranegro
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Do you remember heter, in your over-display of your racism and bigotry, rushing, authoritatively into giving the criminal murderer soldier who committed the massacre in Afghanistan the name of Rudolfo Lunapajaranegro?! You did that in the context of implying that white trash criminals, like yourself, are not capable of committing such horrible crime, and you posted the above post as a follow up to a previous racist, bigoted comment in which you suggested that the criminal killer will turn out to be a Mexican! With this second racist, bigoted comment you were rushing to overdo yourself in your own previous racism and bigotry!

So Sgt.Rudolfo Lunapajaranegro turned out to be another racist, bigoted white trash, like yourself, with the name of Robert Dale. What do you say to this s.o.b.?

Everyone is aware by now about your unbound racism and bigotry against Arabs, justifying their wholesale murder by your terrorist Zionists brethren, but the question for you is this: Why do you have this ugly, unbound racism against U.S. citizens of Mexican background?! Did one Mexican one day fucked your bitch mother or gave you a fucking bloody lash on your dirty, lying mouth one time?! Whatever the case is, your fucken bloody racism and bigotry must be silenced!

What stinks ALMOST as bad as the rotting hologram of
the former poster hettie is the shameless attempt on
the part of the US media, including this site, to
pass this atrocity off as the result of a soldier
with PTSD going nuts.

It is very clear that this massacre was an act of
revenge for the killing of a couple of gringo grunts
a couple weeks ago or so.

Especially as more info comes out of the involvement
of quite a few more soldiers and the raping of
victims prior to blowing their brains and entrails
all over the walls of their homes.

This massacre was deliberately planned and executed,
and not the work of one soldier gone bonkers.

Robert Fisk has a piece on this subject.  Why isn’t
FISK’S piece on truthdig, instead of this rotting
piece of garbage?

Pretty much typical of gringo grunts whenever they
are in territory of non-whites.

——au contraire, toots…....“He has demonstrated over and over that he hates
non-whites.”

the racism seeps out of your own twisted and shriveled heart….not mine…..

you’re a ridiculous figure when attempting to preach decency.

vec——sorry dude. but your 3.5 million Viet-namese killed by Americans is
simply incorrect by any and all accounts I’ve ever seen.

your link says that your figure was wrong.

put up some other semi-reputable link to support your claim or give it up.

Sinbad:  I have already formally complained to the Truthdig editors.

If others do the same, perhaps this can become a site with some semblance of civility and decency.

I have nothing against confrontational styles of posting—my own is confrontational—but I do have something against folks who deliberately degrade the human condition even more than it has already been degraded—and apparently think that doing so is funny.

By moonraven, March 15 at 4:13 pm Link to this comment

I believe it is time for hettie to leave this board.
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Well-put moonraven! I do second your proposal, but we need a collective effort and plan to put that into action. Ideas on that are welcomed by all those who know the difference between “freedom of speech” and “freedom from basic decency and commonsense!”

I believe it is time for hettie to leave this board.

1.  He has offended everyone repeatedly with hhis infantilely grotesque wallowing in the violence inflicted by the US government against the non-white people of this planet, as well as other species.

2.  He has demonstrated over and over that he hates non-whites.  And his latest attempt to claim that the gringo goon who murdered those women and children and set fire to their bodies (probably would have urinated on them if it hadn’t meant putting out the fire) was a relative of mine and a hispanoparlante is a new low in his despicable repertoire.

3.  His infantilely cruel comment about man bites dog—calling the victims of the massacre dogs—should be reason enough to have him shut away for life in a facility for the criminally insane.

4.  Anyone who believes that this goon is okay can go visit him in that facility—and hopefully remain there as a permanent visitor.

There is no excuse for the depraved pimping for patriotism that is practiced by this poster.

heterochromatic,; the digure (3.5 million) stands!

You can run, use misdirection, and even try to “low-ball” our acts of mass murder, but you will not be allowed to rewrite history to sanitize your past atrocities. Hell, I guess next you will be telling me that the Holocaust was “not so bad” and American Slavery did not happen?

vec, as I said 3.5 million killed by Americans is flat wrong….. your link is to a claim
that 3 million died in toto. 

that’s a negation of your claim.

we sure as hell weren’t the only ones killing folks there…..so we sure as hell
DIDN’T kill more people than the total number of dead   ...... let’s not take
anything away from the efficiency and ruthlessness of the other guys.

heterochromatic:

The 3.5 million is low balling it;

“There is no basis even to suggest that the fallout from the war affected the United States and Vietnam similarly. While the United States suffered serious losses—more than 58,000 of its military killed and billions of dollars spent—Vietnam’s losses were staggering. More than 3 million Vietnamese died during the American war, with at least that many wounded. More than 15 million Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians became refugees. American weapons—especially the 6.5 million tons of bombs dropped on Indochina—destroyed more than 10,000 hamlets and 25 million acres of forest in South Vietnam (the land of the U.S. ally in the war); additionally the United States dropped more than 11.2 million gallons of Agent Orange and 400,000 tons of napalm on South Vietnam, a nation roughly the size of New Mexico or Arizona. “

http://www.commondreams.org/views/041700-106.htm

Turns out the guys name is Sgt. Rudolfo Lunapajaranegro

vec,  whereveer in the world did you get that 3.5 million men, women and children
killed by Americans in Viet-nam….. that figure is greater than the total number
killed by all sides.

“yup, it’s terrible news when an American soldier does
something as horrific as this.”

“sorta man bites dog”

heterochromatic, if anything, you are persistent;

More like “dog bites children”; the norm!

3.5 million men women and children killed in Vietnam by American soldiers.

One million plus men women and children killed in Iraq by American Soldiers.

Both countries did not attack us.

Yep, I’d say more like dog bites humanity.

yup, it’s terrible news when an American soldier does
something as horrific as this.

sorta man bites dog

considering what’s been happening over there

and a damn shame.

By vector56, March 14 at 1:05 pm

By moonraven, March 14 at 11:58 am
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vector56 and moonraven,

I take my hat off in respect and admiration for your bravery, enlightenment, knowledge and critical thinking in the eternal battle between truth and falsehoods.

You keep making me feeling good and optimistic that there is hope that truth will eventually prevail as long as we have more and more of your caliber.

Thank you for giving me a ray of hope as I see all the darkness surrounding us in these sad dis-United States of America!

Yet, the moppets and the puppets of the system continue to give nightmares!

moonraven:

thanks for the reminder; I considered the untold generational damage that was done to the hundreds of millions of people to our south and the CIA plots yet to come, but I concluded that the Muslims are are “in season” and when we cull their numbers and recolonize their lands (and resources) America will revisit our Socialist little Browns friends in this hemisphere.

As to BrilliantBill; I once saw a bumper sticker that read, “like your freedom, thank a Vet!” I ‘m thinking, what the fuck does a Veterinarian have to do with my freedom? Even more ridiculous, was the thought of some “loser” who couldn’t get a “real job” copping out (selling out) and joining the military to act as “Global Pirates” for BP and EXXON Mobile proclaiming that they are doing their “dirty deeds to keep my sorry ass free? 

Like Jefferson, I like the Brown Ladies; also like Jefferson I reject the idea of a “standing army”! Thomas Jefferson understood all to well that the empires (England, France, Spain) of his time were defined by their enormous standing armies. He feared that once a nation committed to such institutions they would have an overwhelming need to “engage in mischief” through the globe. Jefferson spoke of a “cult of the military” over taking the rights of citizens. Considering how often we “thank the Troops for their service” and “support them like a over used “jock-strap”, I would say we have arrived at Jefferson nightmare.

Like Jefferson, I would prefer “citizen soldiers who were only called to arms when “we” were attacked.

Bottom line BrilliantBill; 3.5 million living, breathing, thinking human being were killed by “this man’s army”! About 1/3 of those people were children (a million children). Can anyone here rap their heads around snuffing out a “million” children? The general rule in war is that about 3 times the number of people are wounded (loss of limbs, sight, brain trauma) as are killed. So, if we killed 3 million we maimed 9 million! Figure the number of wounded children to be about 3 million (not counting birth defect from agent orange and mental trauma) I’d say we made our own “Holocaust” equal to that carried out by the Third Reich. I apologize if I am short on tears for these actual perpetrators of corporate crimes against humanity. You guys sound like the serial killers who whines that his actions are due to an unfair world, while still continuing to show up to spill more blood (Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and soon to come Syria and Iran).

freeze, freeze, freeze:  Stop denigrating Neanderthals!

So far as we know (underline that), they did not wage genocidal wars to steal land and resources.

On the other hand, their closeness to our own species makes them a target for suspicion.

I for one am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

For now.

moonraven - Yes, I read that book. There were quite a number of books that came out in the 70’s and 80’s that were rather prophetic regarding our current society. After the “age of Reagan” during which our collective brains were sucked out of our national cranium by “morning in America” we’ve become an incredibly shallow (albeit toy-ridden) bunch of Neanderthals.

freeze:  I believe it was the 70s that a book by Christopher Lasch was high on the NYT Best Sellers list:  The Culture of Narcissism, American (sic) Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations.

The spaghetti didn’t stick to the wall, apparently.

Oops on that typo:  5600.

Vector:  Nice post but you forgot about the US military’s invasions of Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Grenada, Panama (I heard it was really because Noriega refused to give Oliver North a blowjob and where between 3500 and 56000 folks were killed) and a long list of others. 

In fact, the history of the US can be resumed majoritively as the invading of sovereign predominantly non-white nations for their land and resources. 

Period.

Jim Yell:

You are still pimping for patriotism, just adding a few sobbing violins to your soundtrack.

Your historical relativism of the times make the crimes okay is vomit-producing and patently mean-spirited:  Hitler claimed to have based his extermination plan for the jews and gypsies on the US government’s extermination of Native Americans, yet you folks tore your shorts and held his minions accountable for war crimes and genocide at Nuremberg—despite the fact that the model he claimed to have used was still OPERATIVE in the US, and for that matter still IS!

I would you like you to explain to me why we Native Americans were forced to become US citizens in 1924 and yet we still have not been acknowledged as PERSONS?!!!!

Hint: Try to talk your way out of the US government administering our reservations/bantustans and holding revenues from same in trusts like one does for a child whose parents have died.

gerard - “Does anyone dare ask the question whether the entire country has a severe case of PTSD?”

Probably one of the most insightful and existential questions I’ve ever read about the state of this country…...Allow me to say this:

It’s not PTSD. We have simply become a nation of self-deceivers, liars and heartless narcissists.

As these two wars have progressed over the last decade, I’ve noticed a precipitous decline in the level of critical thinking and empathy throughout our cultural landscape. If anything PTSD is merely a “symptom” of an even deeper moral bankruptcy that plagues us.

brilliantbill - Your comment:

“Apparently it’s satisfying to sit in a comfortable roost and pontificate about other people and the decisions they’ve made. I’ll suggest that after you’ve done a term or two in the military and have participated in real war, as I have, you may not find your judgements come so free and easy.”

Here’s a response to your comment:

1) There’s nothing “satisfying” in being a tax payer and having my country coerce, lie to and propagandize young people into killing people in other lands. In fact’ I’m incredibly ashamed and morally offended that I AM FORCED to help bankroll this racket called the Military.
2) Spare me all the “band-of-brothers” bullshit. 

Anyone who volunteers to go to a land that never attacked us (marched right up to our doorstep) or even our allies (last time I checked not even Iraq attacked any of our “allies”......Kuwait was hardly an “ally.”) is either poor and needs a “way out” of their circumstances or wants to kill other people. I’m sorry my “judgement” might be offensive to you or others. Tough, I happen to be a citizen of the U.S. and I’m tired of my country engaging in these wars.

To BrillantBill and others who feel that people who have not served in the military have little right to question others whose opinion may differ from yours or others who served, I know Vector56 rather well and going on 20 (twenty) years.  What he may not have mentioned because he is now ashamed of it, he did serve in the army. 

I am Jewish, and I find what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people both horrifying and an embarrassment to me personally.  I have not served in the military despite trying because of my medical condition.  Does that make either my opinion or my stating it here thoughtless?

Does anyone dare ask the question whether the entire country has a severe case of PTSD?  Deep down, we know we are sick (“Everybody hates us!  They hate us because we are free!” “There is no other way!” “It’s worth it! No, it’s not!” “This is the American Century!” “I want my country back!” “The new wonder drug!” “Show me your I.D.” “According to the Mayan calendar ......”)
  Maybe starting to sober up, looking for help, for therapy, for somebody to just tell us all what the hell happened?  How to to kill the pain?
  Can we kick the war habit?

Apparently it’s satisfying to sit in a comfortable roost and pontificate about other people and the decisions they’ve made. I’ll suggest that after you’ve done a term or two in the military and have participated in real war, as I have, you may not find your judgements come so free and easy.

I don’t recall any of you counseling me in the summer of 1967 when I was ordered to Vietnam and had to make a decision about whether or not to go. Where was your wisdom then? That was my crucible. After returning, I joined with Vietnam Veterans Against the War and others protesting and trying to stop the abuse of our country by greedy monsters in government. I’ve been opposing them ever since.

My post was in response to someone who mistakenly believes the U.S. military does its recruiting in mental hospitals. Again, they do not. And in brief response to someone suggesting recruiting standards have been lowered, I’m thoroughly aware of the details of this. I spent years working in prisons counseling prisoners, some of whom wanted to go into the military. While the military will now accept certain lower level felony convictions, I never worked with a single inmate who met eligibility requirements. Ironically, they will not accept any felony involving violence.

If you want to fault people in the military today for not being as well informed as you, that’s perhaps a valid criticism. Sadly, few people in this country know or are able to accept the reality that the government of the United States is controlled by corporate masters who are monstrously evil. And if you want to say war can make people insane, so be it. There are no words to describe the horror of war and what it does to people and what people will do in response. If you have not been there, do not judge.

Again, most of the people in the military, surely over 95% are good, decent people. They are not the monsters who rule them. When they swore the oath to be faithful, they did it seriously and with good intent. Do not equate decent people with those to whom they have mistakenly given their allegiance. I will defend them, as I will you, as my countrymen. I will not defend or support those currently controlling our government.

I hate war. I hate the evil greed and the manipulative fear that foments war. I, perhaps more than most of those posting here, have been abused by the government ruling this country. But I do not turn my anger and resentment on my fellows. Oh no, that’s entirely reserved for the callous monsters who reap the earthly plunders of their evil.

Joe Galloway, who wrote “We Were Soldiers,” said: “But in the end, they fought not for their country or their flag, they fought for each other.”

Be gentle with your countrymen, many of whom do not know all that you know or see all that you see. Reserve your vituperation for our corporate masters; use your energies to oppose them. I am not your enemy, and neither are 95% of your good countrymen now serving in the military.

Just to counter the obvious; who gives a shit what they (the Troops) thought!

If they were “duped” into thinking they were protecting the “Father Land” from the spread of Communism; or keeping the White women safe from those “slant eyed Gooks” none of that changes reality!

Vietnam never threatened or attacked America. If I ask you (any of you) to kill and maim human beings in the hundreds, thousands or in this case , millions it is your “duty” as a human being first and as a citizen of this Republic to question my motives. If you do not; then in essence, you have agreed to drive the “get away car”; you are part of the crime!

“There’s a big difference between VN vets who were conscripted to fight “the heathen” in that ridiculous war and the “volunteers” in our current illegal wars.”

mrfreeze; although I do respect your “honest intellect”, I must disagree with your above statement.

Mohammad Ali did not go to Vietnam; “why should I get on a plane and go across the ocean to kill a Yellow man for the White man who is oppressing us here at home?”

Many young men went to Canada (some never returning) to avoid killing people who did not attack us. So, no my “big brained friend”, the guys who went to Vietnam and participated in the out right murder of 3.5 men women and children had a couple of ways out, they chose not to take them.

Just as the clerks who kept count of the Jews in WWII being shipped to the Death camps (using IBM punch cards) were as guilty as the soldiers pushing them in and the Generals who ordered the acts, Every person who ended up in Vietnam (Soldier and support people) were guilty of this “crime against humanity”! There are no victims on the side that commits mass murder on a scale of 3.5 million.

Of course mrfreeze; I don’t know what came over me? I support out “brave” and blameless Troops and “God double bless America”!

vector56 - Oh my…...you dare speak the truth about the modern day military in the U.S. Be very careful not to express your thoughts in public lest you be burned at the stake. There are probably 10 of us in the whole U.S. today who see it your way.

My father was a helicopter mechanic during the Vietnam war and I remember people going away to SE Asia and never coming back. Good people who HAD TO GO. And I remember the disgust with the war and with the draft and with the stinking, lying generals and politicians. There’s a big difference between VN vets who were conscripted to fight “the heathen” in that ridiculous war and the “volunteers” in our current illegal wars. Now it’s all about “getting college paid for” or looking like you’re staring in your own video game, or “being all that you can be.” 

Our military welfare complex is nothing but a money-making operation with an endless stream of children to feed it’s greedy maw. But remember…..you’d better support and respect the troops and OUR MISSION or you’re going to hell….

“And all this was done by a few bloodthirsty men who lusted for the Natural Resources of that country.  And these greedy Corporations were aided and abetted by our elected Government. “

Cliff Carson: Your analysis is only 2/3 true. The other 1/3 that is essential to making all of the blood and guts, dieing and screaming happen is the US Soldier. Without the ones like the pilots of Crazy Horse 18 (collateral murder), or the Special Forces unit who cut the babies out of the pregnant women they shot (to hide their crime) none of this would be possible.

““For the most part, the military is made up of well-intentioned and honorable people trying to serve their country.”

Bull Shit Bill!

For the most part the military is made up of cowards who would rather take their chances fighting and killing people who are poorer than themselves to get a steady pay check, health care, Dental and money for an education. Instead of turning their energies toward unseating those bastards in Washing DC who feed Global Corporate Military Industrial Complex, so every American citizen can have “Single Payer” health care, a WPA, Pell Grants they “sell out” to their corporate masters and kill “millions” for BP, and EXXON Mobile!

When was the last time any of you say guys in $300 suites fighting wars? It does not happen because there will always be an endless supply of “suckers” and cowards willing to kill weaker peoples and take their shit (oil) for their corporate masters in the hopes of getting to eat the craps under master’s table. That is the true face of our Troops.

If I I trick (dupe) you into killing some one for benefit, you are still still a murder and a fool!

And let us not for get the “Dream Act”; all those desperate little brown people south of the border, dieing to become American citizens. All is required of them is that they kill other brown people on the other side of the world. I wonder how Hispanics rationalize such hypocrisy ? 

Without the “Troops” none of the killing and dieing would be possible!!!

And please, spare me the obvious fake-liberal MSNBC argument of “the Troops are just protecting their homeland”. Bull Shit; the “Troops” have not protected the “Home Land” for a long while now:

Korean War;  they did not attack us

Vietnam War; they did not attack us 3.5 million killed

Iraq; they did not attack us 1.5 million killed

Libya: they did not attack us

Iran; soon to come, and of course they won’t attack us.

So you see, the freaking Troops are “guilty as sin!”

They do all of the killing of millions of men women and children, over and over again. You people need to stop pretending our tantrums of mass murder every now and then are somehow “accidental”?  To quote George Carlin, “It is what we do, we are a war-like people”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaS2bRGS86c

As long as we keep making excuses for these “Baby killing Mother fuckers” they will continue (with cover from some of you guys and the corporate media( to Kill Babies!)

“What if they had a war and no one showed up?” These guys (the Troops”) always do. I wonder if the military along with the Cops, FBI, CIA, NSA,  are the “domestic enemies” spoke of in the constitution?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/14/1036293/-Cops-Domestic-Enemies-

By Cliff Carson, March 13 at 2:40 pm

BrilliantBill, March 13 at 9:21 am
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... And in the battle between truth and falsehood, the warriors of truth, named Cliff Carson and moonraven, hurled their powerful truths against the falsehoods of the very non-brilliant Bill, and lo! Falsehoods do perish!

What a name! Brilliant and Bill! Contradictions that make me laugh!

BrilliantBill, March 13 at 9:21 am

“For the most part, the military is made up of well-intentioned and honorable people trying to serve their country.”

Brilliant Bill, you are absolutely correct if your definition of military is “The moral Soldier”.
Unfortunately moral soldiers are a small minority of the “Military”.

Could we just consider A few things in this discussion?

In Afghanistan today the “Military” is made up of Moral Soldiers, Immoral soldiers, Regular Army, National Guard, Reserves, and yes Mercenaries ( Corporate Armies) - which are the largest single group in Afghanistan.  And don’t forget our Afghan Mercenary bunch.  I call them the Karzai Korps.

The High Potentate of Afghanistan is Hamad Karzai who you might remember was placed there by the United States.  And yes there was an election, that the opposition said was as rotten and stolen as America’s in 2000. Or last year, or you choose it.  What really runs their country is who the United States Government wants to sit on the throne - the peasants go take a leak.

And if you have forgotten, Karzai’s kinfolk run a protectionist racket that rakes off millions per week.  The U S pays them to let American supplies thru.  That’s why the U S Army pays about $400 per delivered gallon of gas in Afghanistan.

The United States doesn’t have a draft because to do so would expose the opposition to this war.  I earlier spoke of General Datsun of the Northern Alliance who is our best forever friend there, could be because he has no conscience about killing and murder.  He fits in really nicely with the Karzai bunch and by association - guess who.

Here is an excerpt from a statement by General McCrystal concerning the civilian casualties occurring in Afghanistan.  It was General Jones who stated that the number of Al-Qiada in Afghanistan is somewhere between 50-100.  When you chew on this, remember that there are more than 150,000 Coalition operatives ( used operatives to purposefully include Mercenaries).  And Jones statement is also in this article.  Thousands of Afghans have died at the hands of the U S and their allies since Jones made his statement about 50-100 Al-Qaida.  Here is what McCrystal had to say about civilians killed by the US:

“General McChrystal acknowledged that U.S. forces have killed civilians who meant them no harm. During a biweekly video conference with US soldiers in Afghanistan, he was quite candid. “We’ve shot an amazing number of people and killed a number and, to my knowledge, none has proven to have been a real threat to the force,” said General McChrystal. “To my knowledge, in the nine-plus months I’ve been here, not a single case where we have engaged in an escalation of force incident and hurt someone has it turned out that the vehicle had a suicide bomb or weapons in it and, in many cases, had families in it.”

http://vcnv.org/atrocities-in-afghanistan-a-troubling-timetable-updated-1

At the end of this article is a long list of atrocities committed by U S Soldiers, etc. beginning with the latest episode.  I suggest everyone read it.  By the way General McCrystal was fired after this candid acknowledgment.

BrilliantBill: Follow the link provided as to who the military accepts.

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-04-21/us/military.waivers_1_felony-waivers-recruits-pentagon-statistics?_s=PM:US

Brilliant Bill:  You just left my acceptable poster list.

You are pimping for patriotism—the last refuge of scoundrels—here, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

This monster is what is being produced by the thousands at Fort Lewis, Washington.  There have already been other soldiers who have massacred folks in Afghanistan from the same base.

http://www.aporrea.org/internacionales/n200723.

Coincidence?

Pull the other one!

BrilliantBill - I agree with you to a point about who is in the military; however, let’s not kid ourselves:

1) The soldier who committed these murders was brain-damaged in Iraq. He was basically duct-taped back together called “good-to-go” and let loose to do…...
2) Anyone who tells me they are “volunteering” to go into the military to fight against “enemies” who have never even invaded or attacked us directly is doing so for a) economic reasons or b) because he/she has a predilection for killing. A most often converts to B. In short, volunteering to go to places like Iraq or Afghanistan “makes one mentally ill.”

I’ve been listening to and reading a lot of fantastical rationalization for America’s continued presence in Afghanistan….it’s all absurd. It’s all legalized murder predicated on lies and supported by most Americans who still think that “the military is made up of well-intentioned and honorable people trying to serve their country.” I’m sorry, that’s just a load of baloney.

To Mr. “mindful”

I don’t know how you’ve come to be so misinformed. The U.S. military does not recruit or accept anyone who is mentally ill. For the most part, the military is made up of well-intentioned and honorable people trying to serve their country.

Rail all you like against a government that abuses these people and violates their trust and character, but it’s insulting to characterize the people serving in the military as mentally ill monsters.

As disgusting as this is, and as loudly as the mil will deny this is typical, we all know very differently
The military is a dangerous and dirty job. We have taken the mentally sickos into the military and later given them a light or no punishments for their crimes against humanity.

How much honor can we really sell to the world about the Nature of Americans. Europe by comparison makes our culture look barbarian.

Of course the mainstream media will mouth all the usual nonsense. ‘Rogue soldier’, ‘abberation’ etc. But if that’s true then what about the 2,000 pound bomb the American military machine dropped on a compound in Afghanistan where all the women and children had been sent for ‘safety’? What about Dilawar, the innocent taxi driver tortured and beaten for weeks at Bagram Air Base until he was dead? What about the rapes, torture and murder in Abu Ghraib?

If Rumsfeld and Cheney and Bush had been capable of reading a history book and learning anything from it they would never have gone into Afghanistan or ever attempted to occupy it. There is no central government in Afghanistan, it is run by war lords, drug lords and is still tribal. Karzai just sits in Kabul because if he went into the surrounding areas he would probably be blown up. He works for the Americans, not the people of Afghanistan and the people of Afghanistan know it. Just remember what it said in ‘Universal Soldier’ - ‘he’s the one who lends his body as a weapon of the war…and without him all this killing can’t go on.’

You should also pay attention to the talking heads and what they say about Afghanistan: ‘complete the mission’ etc. It is word for word what they said about Vietnam, right up until they started dumping helicopters in the sea and running like hell. An American journalist found when she went to a remote village in Afghanistan and spoke to a woman there, that the woman had never heard of 9/11, didn’t know who George W. Bush was but what she did know was that America had invaded her country and that they had come there to kill Afghans. The journalist was fired by a TV station for talking about this in a speech.

Arabian Sinbad, what got me writing about the atrocities was the knowledge of the murder of Manadel Al-Jamaidi at Abu Gharib on November 4th, 2003.  He was killed by Navy Seals assisted by Mercenaries.  He was rounded up in an area sweep where all men between 14 and 74 were brought to the prison and tortured.  The torture would stop if the one being tortured would finger someone.  How many innocent got killed because of those who couldn’t stand the torture no one knows.  Manadel Al-Jamidi remained silent never speaking a word refusing to finger any innocent person until he drowned in his own blood.  Now there is a true hero.

Over 5 million people have been dispossed in Iraq, over one million killed, a countless number maimed for life, and the soil of Iraq made radioactive for countless centuries to come. 

And all this was done by a few bloodthirsty men who lusted for the Natural Resources of that country.  And these greedy Corporations were aided and abetted by our elected Government.

Fortunes were made on the blood and bones of an innocent people.  And on and on it goes.  The 1% have no Country, just the World.

They want your last drop of blood and then your soul as its departs your lifeless body.

And we continue to elect people who work for them.  Both Democrats and Republicans.  How long will we suffer them?

I have duly noted all the moral indignation by the
commentators about the massacre by this American
soldiers.
But having been a medical corpsman in Vietnam and
listened to the wounded grunts talk about their
experiences in the field, I would have to state that
this is what happens when we send soldiers to an ill-
conceived, guerilla war over a long period of time.
And now that we have an all-volunteer army the pool
of fresh troops must be quite small.
This guy was on his fourth tour of duty in a combat
zone. So he essentially had more time in combat that
soldiers in the Second World War hopping from island
to island in the South Pacific as American forces
inched closer to the mainland of Japan for the final
invasion and end of the war.
That’s crazy. He probably had a pretty severe case of
PTSD even before he rotated for his fourth tour and
never should have been forced to do another tour of
duty in a combat zone. I know from my experiences a
lot of the wounded grunts at the base hospital in my
war were also suffering from PTSD. And they were
still only on their first tour in Vietnam.
But this happens in all war, even the last good war,
the Second World War. There was a photo on the cover
of Life magazine in the Second World War. A young
woman was reading a letter from her boyfriend who was
fighting in the South Pacific. She had the letter in
one hand and a cigarette in the other one. And right
in front of her on the table was the whitewashed
skull taken from the corpse of a dead Japanese
soldier which she was using as an ashtray. Her
boyfriend had sent it though the mail to her as a
gift.
Just google Life magazine and take a good hard look
at that photo. The cover of Life magazine. The
greatest generation. The last good war.
But of course there are no “good” wars. There are
only necessary wars fought to protect out national
security. And neither the war in Afghanistan nor the
war in Iraq were necessary wars.
I never thought in my wildest imagination I would see
another war in my life time that equaled the foreign
policy debacle in Vietnam. And as usual I was wrong.
Now there have been three wars in my life that are
epic historical blunders: Vietnam, Afghanistan, and
Iraq.
We never seem to learn and commit the same painful
mistakes over and over again. And getting rid of the
draft in my war and instituting an all-volunteer army
in these wars hasn’t changed the outcome. We just now
have a permanent class of political, financial and
news media elites inside the Beltway bubble who beat
their little tin drums for war and a permanent
underclass of citizens who fight these useless wars
and are committing the atrocities.
But nothing have basically changed. America is still
a military empire, and we are destroying any hope to
restore democracy at home.
This is all an end game. The empire is imploding and
crumbling upon itself, much in the same way the Twin
Towers came down in Lower Manhattan during the 9/11
attacks.

I have duly noted all the moral indignation by the
commentators about the massacre by this American
soldiers.
But having been a medical corpsman in Vietnam and
listened to the wounded grunts talk about their
experiences in the field, I would have to state that
this is what happens when we send soldiers to an ill-
conceived, guerilla war over a long period of time.
And now that we have an all-volunteer army the pool
of fresh troops must be quite small.
This guy was on his fourth tour of duty in a combat
zone. So he essentially had more time in combat that
soldiers in the Second World War hopping from island
to island in the South Pacific as American forces
inched closer to the mainland of Japan for the final
invasion and end of the war.
That’s crazy. He probably had a pretty severe case of
PTSD even before he rotated for his fourth tour and
never should have been forced to do another tour of
duty in a combat zone. I know from my experiences a
lot of the wounded grunts at the base hospital in my
war were also suffering from PTSD. And they were
still only on their first tour in Vietnam.
But this happens in all war, even the last good war,
the Second World War. There was a photo on the cover
of Life magazine in the Second World War. A young
woman was reading a letter from her boyfriend who was
fighting in the South Pacific. She had the letter in
one hand and a cigarette in the other one. And right
in front of her on the table was the whitewashed
skull taken from the corpse of a dead Japanese
soldier which she was using as an ashtray. Her
boyfriend had sent it though the mail to her as a
gift.
Just google Life magazine and take a good hard look
at that photo. The cover of Life magazine. The
greatest generation. The last good war.
But of course there are no “good” wars. There are
only necessary wars fought to protect out national
security. And neither the war in Afghanistan nor the
war in Iraq were necessary wars.
I never thought in my wildest imagination I would see
another war in my life time that equaled the foreign
policy debacle in Vietnam. And as usual I was wrong.
Now there have been three wars in my life that are
epic historical blunders: Vietnam, Afghanistan, and
Iraq.
We never seem to learn and commit the same painful
mistakes over and over again. And getting rid of the
draft in my war and instituting an all-volunteer army
in these wars hasn’t changed the outcome. We just now
have a permanent class of political, financial and
news media elites inside the Beltway bubble who beat
their little tin drums for war and a permanent
underclass of citizens who fight these useless wars
and are committing the atrocities.
But nothing have basically changed. America is still
a military empire, and we are destroying any hope to
restore democracy at home.
This is all an end game. The empire is imploding and
crumbling upon itself, much in the same way the Twin
Towers came down in Lower Manhattan during the 9/11
attacks.

The military has lowered its standards as to who is accepted. Is this a good thing?  Who knows how many took part in the murdering of 16+ Afghans.

http://murder-homicide.blogspot.com/2010/03/convicted-felons-are-allowed-to-join-us.html

I write again to say that the latest barbaric massacre by a US murderous soldier, or possibly more than one soldier, of 16 children, women and old men villagers, is not an isolated act or an aberration as the criminal Commander-In-Chief, Mr. Obama, has suggested in his latest shameful comment on the subject.

Remember that just three weeks ago, there was the barbaric act of a group of soldiers who desecrated the Holy Qur’an by building a bonfire and throwing hundreds of copies of it in that fire, causing riots against both the Karzai’s government and the US terrorist-occupation force.

Few weeks before that, a group of white-trash U.S. soldiers killed several Afghan farmers in cold blood and even videotaped themselves urinating on their corps.

These are just three examples from the atrocities committed in the last few weeks that could not be swept under the carpet, as might have been the case with hundred other similar cases.

Worst yet, there are now fucken-bloody commentators suggesting that this latest U.S. terrorist act was a preemptive attack by the murderer-terrorist/s thinking that those poor villagers will be attacking their base!

On the other hand, and parallel to the U.S. murderous acts, its partner in evil, terrorist Israel has been carrying deadly attacks on Palestinian Gaza, killing, according to the latest count some 18 Palestinians.

One cannot help but to think that these terrorist acts by the U.S. and Israel were possibly coordinated during terrorist Netanyahu’s latest visit to this latest bastion of shame and evil, called the U.S.A.

Right now is a crises time in the world, a very large-scale problem with the much bragged about U.S. and Israel’s so-called democracy becoming increasingly murderous!

Thanks to Cliff Carson who also did a good job below documenting what cannot be an aberration, but rather the evil disturbing trend.

The more things change the more they stay the same.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/mylai/

Absolutely shameful behavior.  Remember back when all soldiers were praised as hero’s?

I wrote an article “Not all soldiers are Hero’s”.

I wrote it because of the Navy Seals who were torturing detainees to death at Abu Gharib.  The death method was Palestinian Hanging.  Would have never been reported if it wasn’t for the 150 or so witnesses who saw one of the “happenings”.

I wrote it because of the rape of the 14 year old teenager Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi in Yusufiyah, Iraq and the murder of her family to cover the savagery of the U S Soldiers who had seen her and decided to rape her.  The scene was so horrific that the Medic who examined the bodies said he was ill for weeks afterward.

I wrote it for the savagery of the use of Depleted Uranium in Iraq which has quadrupled the incidence of Birth defects in that country and will continue to do so for generations.

I wrote it for the involvement of the U S Soldiers in Afghanistan - before 9/11, supporting the Northern Alliance and their leader General Datsun, who’s savagery would rival that of Pol Pot.  It was the General who offered amnesty to the Taliban, and once they had surrendered, forced thousands of them into 18 wheeler vans then welded the doors shut and parked the vans for three weeks.  A few survived and were shot while the U S Soldiers supervised.

I wrote it for the 10 school children age 12-17 who were rousted out of their beds one night, handcuffed, led outside, then shot in the head by U S Soldiers.  News Media the next day wrote about the all day long gun battle ending with 10 insurgents dead.  The story would have stayed that way had there not been about 100 witnesses.

I wrote it for the over 400 Vietnamese nearly all women and children, who were lined up, shot, then scalped by U S Soldiers.  One of the soldiers told about a 2 year old who crawled out of the ditch where the shot people fell.  The baby was picked up and thrown back in the ditch - and shot.
 
I wrote it too soon to point out the soldiers who chained afghans to post and poles then pulled the pins on hand grenades and rolled them up to the chained afghans in order to enjoy the sport of killing.  Or the U S Soldiers who urinated on the Afghan bodies.

Not one of these atrocities I mentioned above except the rape and murder of the al-Janabi family did anyone get seriously punished, in fact other than those involved in the rape, only one has been punished for their crime, and that one for only a few days.

Even worse is the public allowing those Government leaders to go unpunished.

Mik Wall,and MaxShields, shame on you two for making excuses for these “Baby Killing Mother Fuckers!”

Yes, Obama is a War Criminal for sending them over there; but for killing Men Women and children so are they!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/world/asia/us-army-sergeant-suspected-in-afghanistan-shooting.html?hp

Try it again.

Have other atrocities taken place, not of this magnitude perhaps, which were not reported? Or if reported swept under the rug by those in command? Are the real facts in this tragedy going to be “swept under the rug?”  I would suspect so. The link provided below provides more details as to the attack. Hope it works.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/world/asia/afghanistancivilians-killed-american-soldier-held.htmlpagewanted=2&_r=1&hp;

talkmaster,

what exactly is the point of your response?  Since Iran collaborated with us in Afghanistan we should invade them too?

Jim Yell:

Your founding fathers understood that wars were serious and should be waged against non-whites for their LAND so that they could put more slaves to work on it in their own personal interest—not only for their resources.

Not a hell of a lot of difference there, Jim.Cut from the same rotten cloth called GENOCIDE.

Brilliant Bill:  Thanks for quoting a true (musical) genius:  FRank Zappa.

He is much missed.

I don’t care how many tours he was on!  He’s just another gringo grunt trained to murder non-whites.

Moreover, I would like to point out to the truthdig editors that NEWS HAPPENS on WEEKENDS.  I was the one who had to post about this story yesterday morning.  And I read it on a Venezuela news site—which always provides better and faster coverage of world news than ANY gringo site:  http://www.aporrea.org

There’s no justification for this soldier’s actions, just as there is no justification for recurring government war crimes and lies and the (Un)Patriot Act, but this happens in all wars, far more often that the public realizes as few incidents are reported. Burn out and frustration is one source, mayhem is a result. Sometimes, too, it’s an outlet for grief over a fallen comrade. Then there is vengeance. When WWII guys found fellow soldiers brutally butchered by Japanese soldiers, it did not bode well for Japanese captives. There are no Boy Scouts on the front lines.

Sad for the people who lost lives and loved ones.

However, it’s a good thing from one perspective. If those folks are going to embrace what we claim is the epitome of civilization, they should get the whole experience.

In this country, we now have a regular show of people taking their guns and shooting as many people as they can. At this point, I think we have about one event every week. It’s a characteristic of what we tell people is the epitome of civilization. The national rifle assn. condones it. The media uses it for entertainment. The “silent majority,” as Dicky Nixon called them, tolerates it.

So, if the Afghans are going to embrace the American way, they deserve to see all of it, up close and personal.

To paraphrase Country Joe & the Fish…

Be the first one on your block
To have your boy get a bullet in the noggin.

By MaxShields,

“Obama puts these guys in this horrific situation over and over. And then when they snap…he apologies as if he had nothing to do with this kind of massacre”

What you don’t realize is that the majority of these soldiers are already fucked up, it is enough to take a closer look at their background and where they come from (remember Lynndie England ” The Leash Girl”) so sometimes they need just a little push.

Obama puts these guys in this horrific situation over and over. And then when they snap…he apologies as if he had nothing to do with this kind of massacre.

He’s a war criminal…allowed to persist through the “permission” of omission - the US has not signed onto the International Criminal Court…meanwhile the US goes about declaring others “criminals”.

“he soldier accused of killing 16 Afghan civilians, nine of them children, early Sunday morning, had already served three tours of duty in Iraq and arrived in Afghanistan for a fourth tour in December,”

Like surfnow, the above statement sounds like nothing more than the standard excuse issued every time a soldier “does his job”.

I remember reading that during WWII the German military brass was concern about the physiological effects that killing so many Jewish men women and children up close and personal (bullet to the head while looking them in the eyes) started to have on there “brave young Troops”.

At the time, I remember thinking, how unfair it was that these proud strong young Aryan boys would be forced to endure such emotional trauma while putting a bullet in the back of the head of a Jewish mother and her children! 

Maybe we need to take a hint from the Germans and develop a more “efficient” method of mass murder, that has less of an emotional impact on our “brave boys”; like the Gas Chambers.

Personally, I no more give a shit about the emotional state of the US Soldier who slaughtered these men women and children than I cared about the nightmares suffered by the German soldiers in the death camps!

MSNBC and Current TV are masters at redirecting all of the compassion on the left away from the faceless, nameless people who were slaughtered and toward the US Soldiers.

hey Jeff N

do you know that Iran collaborated with the US in Afghanistan?

What do you all imagine will be the ultimate outcome when these same “volunteers” return home en masse? What sort of outrages will they commit here?

I fear Timothy Mcveigh’s atrocities will pale in comparison to what’s on the way.

Meanwhile the ” presstitutes” as Paul Craig Roberts aptly refers to them, miss the point entirely, blathering back and forth ” well, let’s just wait and not rush to judgment…right now we’re getting conflicting reports”....and on and on and on…
No one in the MSM will dare ask the only question that has always needed to be asked.  ” What the **** were we doing there in the first place?”

*sigh* A sad, pathetic, pointless new low for the USA.  We can act surprised in a few years when those kids looking at the body from behind a car seat in the picture take revenge on some US soldier.  The only positive I can see is that it might calm down the calls for military action in Iran and Syria for the time being.

The soldier accused of killing 16 Afghan civilians, nine of them children, early Sunday morning, had already served three tours of duty in Iraq and arrived in Afghanistan for a fourth tour in December, according to the Associated Press…”

Here come the excuses…

Those U.S. coward savages, normally bragged about as the pride of the political-military establishment because they do the bidding of that establishment, are being exposed, again and again, for what they are as the ultimate brainwashed murderers and savages of the 21st century, bred and trained in killing in the bastion of shame known as the U.S.A.

I am so ashamed that I carry the passport of the U.S.A. and am a taxpayer, which means I am a forced participant in these atrocities through my taxes!