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Posted on Dec 15, 2011
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A wounded Iraqi boy is treated at a hospital in Sadr City in spring 2008.

The New York Times ran a story Wednesday, the day before U.S. and Iraqi leaders marked the official end of the Iraq War, about a shocking find in an Iraqi junkyard: secret interviews from U.S. soldiers talking about the 2005 massacre of civilians in Haditha.

But this kind of account, as The Washington Spectator’s Hamilton Fish noted Thursday, has been passed over by the mainstream press for years, and the human cost of this negligence has been unfathomable, even if we have some hazy ideas about the numbers involved. Worse, journalists like Chris Hedges and Laila Al-Arian, in their 2008 book “Collateral Damage: America’s War on Iraqi Civilians,” were on the case long before this latest report became news fit to print. So why now, and why the radio silence, so to speak, until this moment?  —KA

The Washington Spectator:

There are so many layers to this story. The documents offer a near-linear corroboration of the findings in Collateral Damage, which given the nature of the subject is not in the least gratifying. Moreover, the article and the circumstances of its origin pose unsettling questions for wartime journalism. It would appear that in order for the press to report the truth of what was happening on the ground in Iraq, American forces would first have to withdraw from the country. Then a curious reporter in post-apocalyptic Iraq would have to poke around a junkyard, and bureaucratic incompetence and serendipity would have to conspire to drop a bombshell of historic proportions into the reporter’s lap.

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By Cliff Carson, December 19, 2011 at 10:12 pm Link to this comment

By objective observer, December 19 at 1:15 pm

“by definition, war is not “civilized”, why do we expect those involved to act “civilized”?”

OO, This article was about a massacre committed by the Party that started the war, the United States.

Your hypocrisy condoning the immoral acts committed by these United States is almost as bad as the committing of the deeds.

Keep in mind that the death and destruction rained on the Iraqi people was done to people who were innocent of any crime to the United States.  And we, the people of USA should be ashamed of what we did to an innocent people.  It is not the first atrocity committed by the United States against an innocent people and I’m sure it won’t be the last. 

The criminals who perpetuated the immoral acts should be brought to justice in front of an International Court just as the USA, always goes to the UN claiming to be a defender of freedom and justice for people everywhere.

How many wars has the United States started to provide some U S Corporation profit?

This war was about stealing a resource from a people for the profit it would bring to U S Corporations.

This is what moral and honest people are writing about in this thread.  You on the other hand have decided to favor the criminals.  You should be ashamed.

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By objective observer, December 19, 2011 at 2:15 pm Link to this comment
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it is an oxymoron to use the term “civilized” and “warfare” in the same statement.  by definition, war is not “civilized”, why do we expect those involved to act “civilized”?  Geneva Accords?  really?  do you really expect those to be followed?  really?  the left wing has tried to sanitize warfare to the point that if anyone gets hurt, it’s a “war crime”.  war should be so painful and horrible that it is never considered again.  that will not happen in the forseeable future.  the left wing wants decry war, but has no problem living in the peace it affords.  ie, Hiroshima/Nagasaki, how many Japanese lived and prospered because there was no invasion of the Japanese homeland?  this life is not peaceful, nor devoid of conflict.

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By Cliff Carson, December 16, 2011 at 11:25 pm Link to this comment

By blogdog, December 16 at 2:42 pm

“Libya’s steadfast resistance to
globalist hegemony was a formidable block to neocolonial imperialist expansion into Africa - any other nation sate that stands up to the globalists to protect its citizens from the debt-service designs of the IMF/World Bank will be targeted in exactly the same way - just as we are now seeing in Syria, Iran,
Somalia, Yemen”

I couldn’t agree with you more Blogdog

Something else that doesn’t get discussed here or just about anywhere for that matter:  The destruction of Libya was planned and orchestrated to stop QADDIFI’S plan for a United States of Africa.

Most of the African Nations had agreed with the concept and in another 5 years it could have been a reality.

The plan was to unify the African Nations for a mutual defense against the Western World Empire raiders of resources. 

This new United Africa was to field its own Army, issue its own currency, and get totally free of the Global Financial ( World Bank/IMF consortium ) and once established invite the oppressed Arab Nations to Join with the United African States to become free of the World Banking System, The mortal enemy of all weak Nations.

As to the Empire of the Elites (the 1% worldwide), their plan is to totally subjugate the 99% of the world and bring them into economic serfdom, think of Tennessee Ernie and the ballad of the Company Store ( I owe my soul to the Company store - another day older and deeper in debt).

The easiest way to control the life of the downtrodden is to indebt them and keep piling on the debt.

The time comes when those unfortunates cannot even breath without the “Bosses” permission.

The Global Financial Cabal is responsible for nearly all the wars, and therefore nearly all the death and destruction, since the early 1700’s. 

Their business is financing wars and the aftermath of wars.  They have financed both sides of most wars in the last 300 years.  And they are daily about preparing ( fomenting) the next money making investment.

You might say they are in the business of causing the spilling of blood for a profit.  I have long called them the Blood Profiteers.

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By frozenjim, December 16, 2011 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment
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Ironically the fact that the HOLOCAUST at Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki are among the hugest war crimes in all of history seems to elude our “objective” friend.

Under any rules of war, it is a war crime to intentionally target civilians.  This is what TERRORISTS do, they incite TERROR by killing CIVILIANS.

Mr. “objective”, you are going to be plenty upset when the civilian targets are Americans….  that is WHY we make up Geneva Accords, to prevent TERRORISM from happening between civilized nations.  That is why mustard gas is no longer used.

By using any level of force to invade peaceful nations, you clearly define who is the TERRORIST and who is the brave freedom fighter. 

By defending these actions, Mr. Ojective, you are on the WRONG side of history - even by your own standards I would bet.

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By blogdog, December 16, 2011 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment

oo presents a view of wars in the Middle East as though they’re to be won - not so: they’re designed
only to fail states - nothing being won by anyone - states being failed on schedule - the justification is
all ginned up and everyone in every trench is pure cannon fodder - celebrate their bravery but not their
glory - there is none

Obobmer is literally bragging of the ‘quick, clean’ and cheap dispatch of Gaddafi - abject mendacity - it
was none of those and the place is now a nightmare - overrun by butchering, marauding, raping,
looting, brigands, who charged into Tripoli behind squadrons of strafing and blasting attack choppers

the hell of Libya today and the massive death toll from NATO’s bombardment is 100-times worse than
anything the people ever suffered under Gaddafi, behind whose leadership they actually enjoyed
numerous benefits - wait till you see what this feckless band of mercenaries makes of the land,
previously referred to as the Switzerland of Africa, and which they’ve already begun selling off to the
globalists - most Libyan’s are already longing for what they had with Gaddafi

so, it’s mission accomplished - another failed state - a big one too - Libya’s steadfast resistance to
globalist hegemony was a formidable block to neocolonial imperialist expansion into Africa - any other
nation sate that stands up to the globalists to protect its citizens from the debt-service designs of the
IMF/World Bank will be targeted in exactly the same way - just as we are now seeing in Syria, Iran,
Somalia, Yemen

NATO is in no way fighting for the citizenry of their home nations - NATO is a literal hit team for the
global finance oligarchy - a mercenary endeavor in which no pride can nor should be taken

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By berniem, December 16, 2011 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

Unfortunately, none of this is new in the history of this wonderful, humane, and idyllic land of ours! Read Howard Zinn’s history of god’s chosen and exceptional nation and you’ll find that this wonderful country of ours was built and has been maintained on a foundation of greed, genocide, imperialism, and a primitive belief in devine license to do as it sees fit! Each generation of the ruling elite is more desperate and insane than the previous! FREE BRADLEY MANNING AND TIM DECHRISTOPHER!!!!Oh, and Barack Obama is every bit the war criminal as any of his predecessors.

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By gerard, December 16, 2011 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

“... a shocking find in an Iraqi junkyard: secret interviews from U.S. soldiers talking about the 2005 massacre of civilians ...”

Yet the government will persist with its attempts at “cover-up” by accusing Bradley Manning of releasing to Wikileaks—and Julian Assange at Wikileaks for publishing—(low-security cables floating around on the Internet “junkyard”) showing graft and mismanagement and downright cruelty, and try to put them both in prison for as long as possible, just to “prove” the “invincibility” of behind-the-scenes empire-building.

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By objective observer, December 16, 2011 at 9:33 am Link to this comment
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big b:

i’ll contrast my black and white realistic world against your make believe “everything will be OK as long as we keep our hands clean” world.  in order to defeat fire you use greater fire.  this “we’ll take the high road” crap is why we’ve lost the past few conflicts.  the enemy doesn’t play by rules, neither should we.  hiding behind women and children knowing they’ll be attacked is their coward way of the fight.  if you go to war, go to war.  the sharper and more painful the fight, the shorter it is.  but i don’t expect the usual contributors to TruthDig to understand this, it is always easier to camp out in a park and whine. 

lone ranger?  really?  how about some real world…

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By jones, December 16, 2011 at 8:52 am Link to this comment
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Even when these things are known (such as the use of white phosphorous as a weapon in Fallujah, or the use of depleted uranium munitions (read: nuclear war)) they don’t get discussed.

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By rumblingspire, December 16, 2011 at 6:40 am Link to this comment
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“what the hell
rotten eggs don’t smell
when glossed with sweet perfume”

Family - Hung Up Down

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By Big B, December 16, 2011 at 6:12 am Link to this comment

What color is the sky in your cruel black and white world, objective observer?

Every innocent killed, every man tortured at a black site, creates more enemies from the ranks of his family and friends.

Do you know why the lone ranger only shot the guns out of the bad guys hands, instead of shooting them in the head? That’s right, HE WEARS THE WHITE HAT!

An old preacher I had at a church youth group used to tell us, “you cannot do evil to combat evil, without becoming evil yourself”.

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By blogdog, December 15, 2011 at 11:25 pm Link to this comment

Let the lamestream bury the lamestream. - only after they’ve all given one
another every award on offer in their little ‘profession’

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By mrfreeze, December 15, 2011 at 10:19 pm Link to this comment

Cliff Carson - You couldn’t have said it any better. Frankly, I’m ashamed to be an American and the more I hear the politicians and the Media “praise the troops” and “god bless America” the more I want to puke.

For a long time I’ve lived with a terrible sense that I was alone in my utter disgust over the war…..but I guess I’m not the only one.

Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame….......

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By Cliff Carson, December 15, 2011 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment

And just think:

Over a million dead Iraqis over 65% of them women and children, over five million displaced from their homes, no telling how many were injured or how many suffered loss of limbs, etc. 

And of course the ultimate desecration, Depleted Uranium scattered across the country that will infect the population too long for mankind to remember the origin.

And then there is the American tragedy, thousands killed and many more thousands injured.  Over 200,000 American soldiers receiving medical help for their war injuries.  More than a dozen committing suicide every day. 

Iraq destroyed and America Bankrupt.

And what brought this war with Iraq about?

Lies and misrepresentations by our out of control government.  And they are preparing to get another one going as soon as feasible.

Our Government serves the 1%, those who will sacrifice your soul for their profit.

We need to bring change to our Political System.  And we need to bring Justice to the perpetrators of this murderous Empire of the Elite.

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By Dr Bones, December 15, 2011 at 5:08 pm Link to this comment
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War… stupid is, as stupid does.

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By litlpeep, December 15, 2011 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment

Who cares what the lamestream media writes, thinks, says, believes, propagates, illustrates, exemplifies,embodies, denies…?

Let the lamestream bury the lamestream.

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By objective observer, December 15, 2011 at 4:22 pm Link to this comment
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gee, civilian casualties in war.  hooda thunk?  and those nasty ‘mericans dun it.  what would have been the outcry if we had to fight war as in WW2, ie carpet bombing, etc.  Dresden - 100K dead in one night, Tokyo - 120K dead in one night.  i dare say, most of those dead were “collateral damage”, and no one said “boo”.  it was understood that it was war and these things happen in war.  it will only stop when humans decide it ain’t worth it. 

good luck with that…

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