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Posted on May 30, 2010
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Thousands of people fill the streets of Phoenix on Saturday, marching on the state Capitol to protest Arizona’s new immigration law.

An estimated 50,000 Thousands of people walked five miles through the streets and heat of Phoenix on Saturday in protest of Arizona’s new immigration law, which is slated to take effect July 29.

A considerably smaller crowd gathered later in a nearby stadium in support of the bill, where speakers ridiculed any suggestion that the crowd was motivated by racism. —JCL

Update: According to the Arizona Republic, which did a little police band eavesdropping, the march was anywhere from 30,000 to 100,000 people strong.

The New York Times:

Two sides of the immigration debate converged here Saturday: a throng of several thousand marching for five miles opposed to Arizona’s new immigration law, and several thousand nearly filling a nearby stadium in the evening in support of it.

Organizers said the timing was coincidental, with both sides taking advantage of a holiday weekend to bring out the masses. But the gatherings encapsulated in a single day the passions surrounding the national immigration debate, recharged by the new law, which will expand the state’s role in immigration enforcement.

Both demonstrations made a point of waving a large number of American flags and issuing pleas for a national overhaul of immigration law, but they offered a jarring study in how polarized the debate has become here.

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By Neil C. Reinhardt, May 31, 2010 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment

Gee Alex, how does it feel to open you mouth and prove to any one with an IQ over 80 and even a modicum of knowledge who know Wall Street and Illegals is TWO SEPERATE problems and THIS post is about ILLIEGAL ALIENS!!

FYI The term ILLEGAL ALIEN also INCLUDES we Blue Eyed whites, Orentials, Blacks & ALL others.
Calling those who are against ILLEGALS crossing our borders “racists” IS STUPID and so are YOU!   

Next, have ANY of those against the Az. Laws ACTUALLY read the Law?  I doubt it.  Anyhone who has, knows it simply repeats FEDERAL LAWS which have been on the books since 1940!

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By Alex, May 31, 2010 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment
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If you’re enraged about illegal immigrants, and not
Wall Street banksters stealing our country blind, I
think you’ll have a hard time squirming out of the
statement ‘then you’re a racist’.

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By rico, suave, May 31, 2010 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment

And. I just looked at the photo accompanying the article. Looks like the mob really thins out in the back of the picture. Maybe 2,000 is a little high.

Then there’s that pesky little fact that 2/3s of Americans support Arizona’s move. Damn those benighted rubes! Why don’t you enlightened progressives just round us all up and send us to Israel so you can enjoy all that hopey change you’ve been dreaming about. Oops, forgot- who’d pay for all that hopey change?

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By rico, suave, May 31, 2010 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment

Rudolfo:
What the hell do Zionists have to do with any of this? Please refer to my reposte post to norske below.

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By rico, suave, May 31, 2010 at 12:15 pm Link to this comment

norske:
Unsubstantiated premises like yours require no thought. Turn up your game a notch.

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By rico, suave, May 31, 2010 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment

I love the update. The number went from 50,000 to 2,000 in the space of a few hours.

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By rico, suave, May 31, 2010 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment

CivilTalks:
Your comment is built on a perfect straw man. How many people anywhere leave their homes for any reason, other than to get the newspaper in the driveway or walk the dog, without some sort of ID?

So what if I now have to carry my wallet even while doing those little quotidian things? It’s all good with me.

Obama’s example of some Mexican getting busted while buying ice cream for his grandkids is another straw man. I presume he brought his wallet to pay for the ice cream. And who doesn’t carry ID in their wallet?

How many law-abiding immigrants will be asked more than one question from the cops? If I were a cop and some guy showed me a driver’s license or green card, why would I waste another minute giving him a hard time?

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By Brittanicus, May 31, 2010 at 6:37 am Link to this comment

REMEMBER THEM IN JUNE

A deep Silence from most Liberal oriented newspapers about the thousands of anti -illegal immigrant; pro-sovereignty crowds who packed a baseball stadium in Tempe, Arizona This huge congregation have concluded that, the law in Arizona represents not only this border state but every US state. That it is deemed as important to every state from the West to East coast? Every US state has been impacted by 20 to 30 million illegal aliens and to give them—AMNESTY—will be adverse to the “Rule of Law.” These people no matter the violation stole into America and have in the majority of cases lived of the taxes of honest citizens-legal residents. The liberal press have mocked the truth and tried to hide that 72 percent of Americans who believe that every state should have a right to enact immigration policing laws, when the federal government refuses to do so.

There are about 20 to 30 million criminal aliens in the United States and the Federal government does very little to stop this invasion. The US Constitution under Article 4, section 4, requires the Federal government to stop invasions: “…… and [The United States] shall protect each of them [the States] against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive

The only way President Obama is going to pass Comprehensive Immigration reform, is forcing down the throat of the population. IF THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS THROUGH BUSH, CLINTON HAD ENFORCED THE 1986 SIMPSON/MAZZOLI BILL AND STOPPED THE INVASION THIS ECONOMIC TRAVESTY WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED. DEMAND FROM YOUR REPRESENTATIVES WHY THEY ARE LYING TO US ABOUT THE—REAL—FENCES, COMPROMISED BY THE MAJORITY DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP, LED BY NO OTHER THAN SENATOR HARRY REID (D-NV) AN AVID PRO-AMNESTY ZEALOT. Call your Senators and your Representative in Washington by dialing the Capitol Switchboard and asking to be transferred to your Senators’/Congressman’s offices.  The switchboard phone number is (202) 224-3121

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By Carl, May 31, 2010 at 6:12 am Link to this comment
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and how many were shipped in from Mexico?  There are more American people in favor of this bill then Mexicans and anti-Americans who are against it.

And yes I did hear about it but way short of the Tea Parties.  That is where your news lets you down.  They lie to you and expect you to swallow it whole.  They hope you are too dumb to do research on your own and discover the truth.

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By CivilTalks, May 31, 2010 at 5:49 am Link to this comment
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One of the things I hear and read a lot is that this is a law about illegals and so what is the problem? If this were just about illegals, I have no problem with it. But it’s not. Every person in Arizona now needs to carry identification. Every citizen, no matter how long you’ve lived here. If a cop stops you and asks for your immigration status, it’s guilty until proven innocent. I have to prove I’m a U.S. citizen. It’s true that typically I have my AZ driver’s license on me, but not always. I don’t always drive everywhere.
You can vote on poll on http://immigration.civiltalks.com/

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By Neil C. Reinhardt, May 31, 2010 at 2:52 am Link to this comment

This 75 yere old Agnostic Atheist Activist sez:

“Since I just joined this seemingly Loonly Left Liberal site, I do not know if there was an article about the TWO MILLION (most fellow TEA PARTY Members) who gathered in Wash DC on April 14 or 15th.

If there was not article on it (And I doubt there was) now you know.

I will repeat it

IT WAS TWO MILLION PEOPLE!

And Children, Like it or Not, MOST Americans SUPPORT the AZ.
Law. I hope laws JUST LIKE IT PASS IN EVERY STATE!

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By Rick, May 30, 2010 at 9:07 pm Link to this comment
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Why is everyone always looking at the Mexican American border and you never hear about the Canadian American border? I guess criminals and terrorists would never come from up there! I wonder how many of you here have ever even met an illegal immigrant. Most of them are just trying to make a buck. I say punish the businesses that hire illegal immigrants instead of passing laws that can lead to profiling and unfair treatment for the many legal latinos in Arizona.

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By Rudolfo, May 30, 2010 at 7:48 pm Link to this comment

According to Bill Clinton we need MORE immigrants, not fewer….

“I think we’re going to have to have more taxpayers, which is why I favor, in a disciplined way, immigration reform and letting more immigrants come to the country,” Clinton told CNBC. “I think it would make more jobs for people who are unemployed, not fewer.”

Which begs the question, when, where, and for how much did Bill Clinton sell his soul to the Zionists?

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By norske, May 30, 2010 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment

The Arizona Immigration law is about a lot of things, unlawful immigration isn’t one of them.
Perhaps if the US had not acted ILLEGALLY in their native countries, they would not have the need to immigrate here.

If the US does not want undocumented workers to cross its borders, it should stop creating them.

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By Peter Knopfler, May 30, 2010 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

““OH NO NOT AGAIN” Immigrant rantings on Memorial
DAY, how insulting lock them all up for no
respect,The Mexicans will not go home to mexico to
demonstrate, Why! ask them. America needs to treat
Mexicans the same way Mexicans treat Guatemalans even
foreign people working here in Mexico get poor
immigration treatment “What goes around comes around
Treat Mexicans the same way they in Mexico treat
others, WHINING CRYING, cry babies should go back
across and help their own country and stop running
away from their own domestic violence, drugs and
family problems. Why cant they be proud and stay home
and not be little the Mexican culture, immigrants
makes Mexicans look bad to the INTERNATIONAL
community, go home take care of your own kids so they
don`t get recruited by the Zetas. Wake up.look in the
mirror and go home! Homey or Honey!Everytime they
demonstrate in Arizona check the gun sales, they go
up eve3ry demonstration.

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By Peter Knopfler, May 30, 2010 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment

““OH NO NOT AGAIN” Immigrant rantings on Memorial
DAY, how insulting lock them all up for no
respect,The Mexicans will not go home to mexico to
demonstrate, Why! ask them. America needs to treat
Mexicans the same way Mexicans treat Guatemalans even
foreign people working here in Mexico get poor
immigration treatment “What goes around comes around
Treat Mexicans the same way they in Mexico treat
others, WHINING CRYING, cry babies should go back
across and help their own country and stop running
away from their own domestic violence, drugs and
family problems. Why cant they be proud and stay home
and not be little the Mexican culture, immigrants
makes Mexicans look bad to the INTERNATIONAL
community, go home take care of your own kids so they
don`t get recruited by the Zetas. Wake up.look in the
mirror and go home! Homey or Honey!

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By Dale Headley, May 30, 2010 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment
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What’s all the fuss?  The Arizona law is exactly like that of the Soviet Union
years ago; or that of Iran today.  The young people being held in Iran now were
arrested because of the reasonable suspicion that they might be in the country
illegally.  They could not produce their “papers,” so they were arrested.  I say
America should shape its immigrant laws to be identical to Iran’s, and North
Korea’s, and….

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By REDHORSE, May 30, 2010 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment

I’m sure drama queens, racebaters and haters can’t wait for this thread to go “kneejerk”. That high binding emotion lets’em know they’re alive. Of course, like almost every other thread on the site, what’s not discussed is the man-behind-the-man big business thugs that profit from chaos, in this case, illegal immigration.

    A good immigration policy would require employers to identify and sponsor legal Mexican workers and pay a real wage with benefits (health insurance). Mexican workers would be allowed to own property in the U.S. and pay into and receive Social Security upon retirement. Mexican workers would receive extra vacation time and tax breaks for those who maintained a home in Mexico. There would be no amnesty. Those who choose to apply for U.S. Citizenship would lose “special incentives”. Why? Because within a generation it would create a new middle class in Mexico and change the face of Mexicos’ political system.  The American and Mexican people would have a solid relationship and both countries would thrive. For instance, a Mexican who bought a home in the U.S. could sell it upon retirement and return to his/her native land with real financial and political power. Mexicans wouldn’t have to give up their country to survive and Americans wouldn’t be dealing with the blackmarket, crime, financial chaos created by the illegals problem now.

    This isn’t going to happen because the whole issue spings from the corporate thug philosophy that doesn’t want to pay anything to anybody beyond company store subsistence, much less support any social uplift (education-health care-social security-living wage). They don’t allow Americans to have this,why Mexicans? So, here we are again.

      Unregulated capitalism is the problem. It has compromised our Democracy. There’s nothing wrong with making $$$$$. It’s when you destroy the world in the process that things get ugly.

      The yeast in the tortilla dough (yum) is that Mexicans know how to organize and the Socialist agenda alive in Latin America (have you seen those Comandante Zero masked men on the news?) is now alive in the U.S. and is beginning to make things very sticky for capitalist thugs. Illegals are illegal for the same reason American civil rights are under attack. They get in the way of making $$$$$.

      I guess Gil Scott Herron was a little wrong.
At least the beginning of the Revolution is being televised.

      NO AMNESTY EVER—JAIL CORPORATE THUGS—ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAW NOW—SUPPORT ARIZONA!!

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By rollzone, May 30, 2010 at 10:37 am Link to this comment

hello. i had the same reflection about how if it was the other way around and the opposition were to have piled into a stadium, we could have checked all their papers before allowing them to go home. next time march them into a Colosseum. on the everything is beautiful front, my spiritual awareness approves of deporting all illegal immigrants, because there is no job i would not be willing to do. and i can do it better, because i am an American.

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By PatrickHenry, May 30, 2010 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

I’ll bet most of them are here illegally.

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By gerard, May 30, 2010 at 9:34 am Link to this comment

Well, Massey Coal and British Petroleum have given ups a couple wake-up calls we should not have needed. “An ounce of prevention being worth a pound of cure” for some years now, we should have known.
The nukes are giving us fair warning also, aren’t they?  Time for a change.  Time to get human again.  Time to work together to control the monsters we have invented and exploited. 

Time for the emergence of a spiritual energy source that will give us the guts and the wisdom to stop the entire grandiose project of “modern dominionization” and replace it with something more humane—simplicity, for example, community, harmony, sympathy, empathy, cooperation, love of nature, preservation of earth—stuff like that, stuff that has a longer “shelf life.”  Otherwise we’ll all fall down.

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