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Obama Calls for Intel Investigation After Fort Hood Shooting

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Posted on Nov 12, 2009
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President Barack Obama speaks Tuesday at a memorial service at Fort Hood, Texas, for the victims of the Nov. 5 shooting at the Army base.

President Barack Obama has ordered a probe into how American intelligence agencies dealt with information they had about suspected gunman Maj. Nidal Hasan before the Nov. 5 shooting at the Fort Hood Army base in Texas.

BBC:

“I directed an immediate inventory be conducted of all intelligence in US government files that existed prior to 6 November 2009, relevant to the tragic shooting at Fort Hood, Texas, especially anything having to do with the alleged shooter, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, US Army,” Mr Obama said in a statement.

“Additionally, I directed an immediate review be initiated to determine how any such intelligence was handled, shared, and acted upon within individual departments and agencies and what intelligence was shared with others.

“This inventory and review shall be conducted in a manner that does not interfere with the ongoing criminal investigations of the Fort Hood shooting.”

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By ardee, November 21, 2009 at 5:41 am Link to this comment

ardee, I can see you are smarting a great deal.  I have now read your triply-
posted copy/pasted defense three times.  I am not immune to it.  But I am not
sure how to defuse, soothe, and conciliate except to desist from commenting
on your posts henceforth.

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That works for me, shrew, especially when your “responses” are little more than symptoms of your permanent PMS.

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By Shenonymous, November 20, 2009 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment

I know you will be away for sometime, but I will post now lest it recede too far
into the recesses of my cluttered mind.  I applaud your ability, Sepharad, to be
unprejudiced, I think it is the finer way to be.  Humility is a virtue I could use a
more generous dose.  In a less rancorous frame of mind, I try to be on the
fence, so to speak, to try to see both sides of a problem.  I do not think the US
is completely blameless in the hatred that is voiced by the terrorists.  And like
the entire population of Americans ought not to be held responsible for the
death and destruction that has happened in Middle Eastern countries, the
entire Muslim population likewise ought not to be held culpable for the militant
jihad levied against Americans by fanatics.  It is probably not possible to have
before one’s mind all the possible arguments and counterarguments regardless
of trying to be objective.  I also think that clarity sometimes only heightens the
sensitivity of points of view, though one would think it would defuse the
passion.  It depends on what exactly is the emotional investment.

From the looks of it, Americans have not forgotten nor forgiven the
perpetrators of the 9/11 devastation, with the NY US Court trial of the five
detainees from Guantanamo, so I agree there is little hope terrorists would end
their jihad against America and Americans wherever they can abduct them. 
Seems like we all just have to watch how it all plays out.  Individuals have no
effect on the exercise of power by the government.  Opinions may be made
known, informed or otherwise but to little effect.  The echelons of government
seem to be deaf and blind, neither wanting to hear nor see public opinion. 
Polls are not samplings of the entire population.  I don’t believe the real news is
provided and only opinionated and pompous journalists who think they know
best and think they can write policy or influence legislation views palmed off to
us. 

Yes, I agree that the modern Muslim has been tainted by the knowledge of the
freedoms held dear and held by law in the west.  I can only imagine their
collective consciousness is in a great deal of turmoil as they are on the brink of
a self-inflicted revolution.

ardee, I can see you are smarting a great deal.  I have now read your triply-
posted copy/pasted defense three times.  I am not immune to it.  But I am not
sure how to defuse, soothe, and conciliate except to desist from commenting
on your posts henceforth.

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By ardee, November 20, 2009 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

ardee, November 18 at 7:12 pm #


I am truly sorry for you,she...Nothing in my original response merited your diatribe and belittling position, other than that I dared posit my own opinion differing from your pontification..

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By Sepharad, November 19, 2009 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment

Shenon, thanks for the Nov. 19 posts, not just for the information but because they jolted me into realizing that I am trying too hard to have some sympathy for both sides. That is (for me) necessary in the case of Israel, re which I and people who care about it have to see all two dozen sides and try to nudge them a little this way, a little that way, and a lot still another way. But otherwise clarity is better than getting so lost in attempting to understand all possible countering arguments that one ends up with no position at all. And that is both dishonest and sloppy. You’re right about Islam and women. The impact is perhaps felt differently from one sect or one country to another, but Hirse Ali has laid out the beginning and the end in “Infidel”.

I also am waiting for an argument to answer your November 16 post’s question: If America ends its war against militant Islam, will the terrorists end their war against America? Seems to me the most likely answer is “no”. Too many Moslems have read and seen too much about the West which, while not even close to perfect, or even good, does offer some niceties such as actual education, freedom of expression and freedom of religion. For some, this knowledge draws them to the West. For others, these attributes are too attractive to NOT undermine pure Islam and as such must be cut off af the head.  A lot also depends on how well or how badly economics fare in the Moslem countries, how power changes economy and how economic issues challenge power.

Goodbye for 12 days. Will be back and read everything I missed on this thread.

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By Shenonymous, November 19, 2009 at 9:29 am Link to this comment

Reference for the following comments:  The Western Journal of Medicine.

Not only are the women of Muslim countries fanatical about stoning but they in
fact perform the female genital tract mutilation of removing the clitoris.  The
procedure has different forms and is typically done at the age of 6 or 7 years. 
The emotional and psychological ramifications of such bodily assault are only
now begun to be considered!  Religion-driven dogmatic cultural
preconditioning over a millennia has affected the conscience of women as well
as men.  There is no perception that the injury performed on women is
immoral.

Gender issues, in particular, the rights of women in Muslim culture,
occasionally attract media attention in the West, when there is little other news
to consider!  Muslim women are often correctly portrayed as inferior beings by
the Islamic patriarchal culture that prevents their rising from the pigsty. 
Segregation of the sexes, a practice encouraged by Islam, is often seen as proof
of the suppression of Muslim women. 

Although it is likely that much could be done to improve the position of women
in Muslim culture, the stereotype created in the western media does not help
much and real revolution must arise from within the cultural structure to be
permanently effective.  Such media misunderstandings are due in great
measure to naive and simplistic attempts to transpose a western set of norms
and values onto women with a very different history and culture.  However
human morality that says all humans are equal in their humanity is an
imperative. 

What you say about the fanatic rings quite true based on the evidence of
behaviors as reported in the past few decades, so the information is not ancient
although the fanatic is an ancient animal.

If you have always had the question of why people believe the way the do, you
are indeed an enlightened man grown from a precocious boy.  Most youngsters
never have such thoughts.  It would seem to build a better world, your question
should become a mantra for all to absorb into their mental furniture.

Also the book by Ayaan Hirsi Ali, iInfidel, would give a first-hand
autobiography of the brutality of Islamism towards women.  But I doubt many
here have the stomach to read the whole thing.

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By Leefeller, November 19, 2009 at 8:43 am Link to this comment

Thanks for the comment She.  As for Hansen being a fanatic, he seems to fit all the requirements of the classic fanatic. The fanatic finds the cause all encompassing, a need to even die for.  This is short but, Hansen seems to be just an extension of the same mental make up of a suicide bomber. The constant kindling of violent passions against perceived evil.

Hansen may have felt himself a sinful creature, helpless and miserable in his life.  Fanatics have little time for the individual, they only see the cause.

It seems Fanatics may have levels or degrees of passion, once they get to a certain point nothing else matters.

Since my attempt to understand why people procure believing as they do has always been a question mark for me and is purely hypothetical, I will leave it here for now. 

One question, is it not possible the women (not all) may be as fanatical as the males in reference to your comments on the women being abused, for I saw women as well as males chasing the poor girl in Somalia and stoning her to death?

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By Shenonymous, November 19, 2009 at 7:51 am Link to this comment

Tying up loose ends:
Leefeller, since you received no answer, I will give it.  The italicized text in
ardee’s Nov. 17 at 11:09am post was from my immediately previous post.  A
question for you: How shall we apply your analect about fanatics to Major
Hasan? 

Sepharad, the entire culture of Islam is hostile to girls and women.  Most of the
Muslim women publicly deny it.  I think that privately they do profoundly feel it. 
How could they not?  There are some we see in the news now and then who are
awakening to their personhood.  Atrocities against Muslim girls is amoral and
uncivilized but no more than the Islamic atrocities set upon Muslim women of
all ages.  With children it is felt worse because of they have not had much of a
chance at living.  The public protest in Iran continues and that protest is
against the traditional completely oppressive male dominated view of living.  It
is not against Islam as a religion but against Islam as a political force.

I don’t know if anyone would agree, but my opinion is that the West must sit by
and watch it happen.  It must not interfere.  For change to be effective it must
be primal, meaning it must arise from within.  It appears that the Irani culture
is eating itself from the inside.  The only thing Westerners scan do is to prevent
the insanity from contaminating themselves and their own countries. 

Closer to home, the aggression and violence and brutality by fundamentalist
Christians against the abortion people or homosexuality they deem irreverent
to their religion is just as monstrous and is criminal in our culture.  And we
certainly would not want a foreign country to commit an act of trespassing to
participate in some anarchic revolution to overthrow our government.  However
shocking that group of Christians may be they are not sanctioned by our
government as are the militant Islamists by the nations in which they dictate
interaction with the rest of the world.  There is a difference.  We have recourse
to secular law, the people of Islam, do not.

While there is some truth in the idea that all violent acts are equal by degrees,
and while violent acts are driven by religious beliefs by both Islamists and
fundamentalist Christians, the organizational structure is different and the
quantity of atrocious violent acts are in no wise equal.  They are manifested in
very different ways.

The answer to all of this turmoil will be furnished by the future.  Humans are in
the process of “working it out.”  We, meaning current civilization, seem to be
only at the brink of consciousness about the need to work it out.

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By ardee, November 19, 2009 at 3:51 am Link to this comment

ardee, November 18 at 7:12 pm #

I am truly sorry for you,she…Nothing in my original response merited your diatribe and belittling position, other than that I dared posit my own opinion

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By Shenonymous, November 18, 2009 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment

Did you used to run home to mamma when the big girls on the playground
picked on you.  Your “truly sorry” business is a phony expression meant to
insult.  Your sneaky snipes show how small you are. Yup I am a shrew. 
Descended from a tree shrew, Italian/Greek tree shrews to be exact, with
binocular eyes set in the front of the face, able to leap tall buildings with a
single bound.  Honestly ardee just grow up.  Stop whining, lift yourself up off
the ground and look me in the eye!  My shrewish eye, I only have one…in the
middle of my forehead.  I won’t talk about your wife and what she must suffer! 
Go blow your nose and get back to the forum and say something profound! 
Maybe you have a ‘thing’ against lady shrews??? 

Positing personal opinions unless qualified as such when posting, is of no
interest to anyone!  Unless they ask for them.  Even if qualified,  at least they
aren’t pretending to be deserving of anyone’s time spent reading it.  Everyone
has an opinion, do you want to read everybody’s opinion who posts here? 
Okay everybody, ardee wants to read your opinions.  Please accommodate him. 
As I said…get a grip

Let’s see getting back to the forum, the various justice agencies are making
progress in bringing Hasan to trial in a military court.  The rhetoric on both
sides of the political spectrum attains shrill.  The circus in New York is about to
start as well with the Gitmo terrorists being put on trial, for the media. 
Prejudged guilty, which they probably are, but nevertheless is sort of
antithetical to the notion of a fair trial.

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By ardee, November 18, 2009 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

I am truly sorry for you,she...Nothing in my original response merited your diatribe and belittling position, other than that I dared posit my own opinion differing from your pontification..

Come to think of it, I am sorrier for your poor husband, living with such a shrew as you.

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By Shenonymous, November 18, 2009 at 6:10 am Link to this comment

Good morning ardee…
If you offered anything for debate I would relish to take it on.  However, you are
one of the usual and humdrum pontificators on TD.  You think you can be
unassailably trivial with your criticism of American resistance to terrorists.  If I am
an asshole, then I am the best asshole there is!  optimus secundum cavum If you
are not able to get past any sarcasm then I’m right about your inability to grasp
finer points due to a lack of being able to sustain any extensive study.  And you
do not provide any back up for your self-assertions.  Attention deficit might
describe your problem, or… your self-loving deprives you of any insight.

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By ardee, November 18, 2009 at 4:25 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous, November 17 at 10:31 am

Your usual sarcasm which,m sadly, masks any point you might be trying to make,other than the one atop your head of course. My reference to the number of followers of Islam was simply to show that, among so many there are bound to be large differences. Your reference to my"lazy intellect” is really yet another, in a longish line, of stupidity on your part that replaces honest debate. I stand by my comments. I am sorry you seem to be in a condition of permanent PMS.

You can be such an asshole.

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By Sepharad, November 17, 2009 at 11:31 pm Link to this comment

There are so many ways to look at the Taliban. I tend to be basically hostile because I don’t like people who throw acid in the face of little girls on their way to school. (And I DO admire those girls and their parents who, after some time to heal, set out for school again. Some would say the non-Taliban Afghan people are warlords and ignorant, and perhaps they are right, but at least some of them want their girls to have a better life.) On the other hand, my husband has admired Mullah Omar for 1) his purity and 2) for offering to turn bin Laden over to Clinton pre-9/11—and constantly points out that initially, pre-911, under the Taliban opium production dropped in Afghanistan. I argue that under the Taliban opium production is growing by leaps and bounds, husband says yeah but it’s only because we attacked them and it covers their military budget. And he’s right. And yet the Afghan families who settled in our area way pre-9/11 did so because the rise of the Taliban simply crushed their way of living to an unbearable degree. They are mostly city people, but they said as corrupt as war lords and the government were, and are, they are not nearly as destructive to living and learning as are the Taliban.

It’s so confusing, and so obvious that we don’t have the depth of understanding—of this culture’s entwinement with ferocious nationalism, medieval warlords and crazy religious extremists—to do anything useful except at the most local level, with the cooperative and significant involvement of the locals—building schools, clinics and other infrastructure that allow people the light and health to think about how THEY would like to change. Ideally, the Afghan people will have to decide how they want to live and ask us for whatever help they think they need. Then we can respond, as long as it is no longer a huge outpouring of blood (ours and theirs) and treasure—which we desperately need for our own people.

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By Leefeller, November 17, 2009 at 8:01 am Link to this comment

Fanaticism the followers of a cause, a blind belief. Rational, reason, fact, truth is not available as part of the fanatics mind, for there is and only is formost the cause in the mind of the fanatic.

Ardee, would you indicate source when using italics which one is supposed to believe are quotes from someplace, it may help further discussion. Sometimes I may forget, please if I do let me know. annoying or not example below:

“What Duck”?

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By Shenonymous, November 17, 2009 at 6:31 am Link to this comment

“Lumping” the Taliban with al Qaeda is not lumping over a billion (1.57 billion
to be exact and exactness is not your forte ardee) in the same mold.  There are
many who condemn the radical and fraudulant Christianity who murder
abortion doctors. I am only one of them.  The murderer who killed Dr. TIller, 
Roeder’s trial is scheduled to begin January 11.  Bet you didn’t even know that! 
And when that begins, you will see how many people will speak out against
such heinous acts.  By the way have you checked out all the articles on
Truthdig about that murder?  There are 10.  Betcha didn’t.

Your comparison is crap by the way, which is your usual forte, illustrating the
lazy thinker.  An occasional lunatic does not a a fundamentalist militia make! 
While it is well-known that fundamentalist Christians preach against abortion,
they have no political traction and are not going around killing scores of
Americans. 

The fact that you shrink into emotion and give no argument describes your
feeble entry here as commentary.  You are the one creating a danger
making the leap from Taliban to all Islamists.  Do you think you can just
burble that out and get away with it?  It is obvious I am referring to militant,
meaning warring jihadist and killing, Islamists.  And yes, I do lump tall of those
together.  Do visit the following site http://www.infoplease.com/spot/al-
qaeda-terrorism.html
for just a tad of information which seems is all you can handle at one time.

Then for closer to home terrorists see
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/03/al-qaeda-eyes-bio-
attack-via-mexico-border/
But maybe that is too much for you to read so save it for for tomorrow.

The Islamic Study/Fatwah Committee issues religious edicts, such as an edict in
1998 telling Muslims to kill Americans.

You can stick your head in the sand but you are cautioned to not to leave your
American ass showing in the direction of al Qaeda. 

For more information, just so you can claim to be informed…
Al Qaeda: Profile and Threat Assessment, Congressional Research Service,
August 17, 2005, just google it for the link.

Or if you have any real interest you might try reading a book!  Like: Al-Qaeda:
the true story of radical Islam by Jason Burke, check out amazon.com.

On the front in Afghanistan alone almost four thousand members of al Qaeda
have been captured and many thousands more killed!  The entry in WIkipedia
on Al-Qaeda is for the lazy of mind as it is a synopsis of the organization.  The
section Refuge in Afghanistan less than more tells briefly the connection
between al Qaeda and the Taliban.

Kronstadt, K. Allen; Katzman, Kenneth (November 2008). “Islamist Militancy in
the Pakistan-Afghanistan Border Region and U.S. Policy” (PDF). United States
Congressional Research Service.
http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/113202.pdf.
This is a document that provides more answers than can be appropriately
posted in the space of TD.

Now ardee, please provide similar documentation about murderers of abortion
doctors in America.

The link I provided was from a search of the so-called play that MvGuy Nov 14
at 2:25 referred “Muslims are bad” that turned out to be false but google will
offer substitutes, so the search yielded the youtube link.  Did you bother to
check it out or are you doing your usual mouthing off?

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By ardee, November 17, 2009 at 4:09 am Link to this comment

Regardless of protest it is certain that
bin Laden is shoulder to shoulder with the Taliban.  To deny that is pure head
in the sand foolishness.  Sad tale indeed!  Sad tale to 13 live and 1 unborn
people’s family indeed!  If we want to stop the war with militant Islamism, then
we ought to say so and stop passing gas on it.  Who is for ending America’s
part in that war?  Do you think if American did end its part, the terrorists
would end its war with America? Answer if you dare. Give a good argument and
I will agree with you.


The last shall be first…I doubt that even the most cogent argument would elicit concurrence, the subject is simply too emotional

The real danger is the lumping of over a billion followers of Islam in the same mold as the extremists within that rather large grouping. Few condemn Christianity for the actions of those who burn down abortion clinics or murder doctors performing such procedures. Yet hyperbole and emotionalism run rampant when the few ( say fifty thousand for arguments sake) members of AlQaeda seek to topple the USA for crimes against the nations of Islam, perceived or actual.

That the link of which She posits exists is not known to me, other than that between a guest and his host, as specified in the Koran. That the two are extremist is moot, that the two plot together is unknown. Certainly invading a nation , murdering innocents and creating havoc might be seen to drive the two together I leave it at that having no proof of either position.

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By Shenonymous, November 16, 2009 at 10:23 am Link to this comment

This now sort of past tense article about Obama calling for Intel Investigation
article was more about his fear that anti-Muslim backlash does not occur, or is
not instigated to occur, especially within the military but it could percolate and
ripen into the general public.  It was said that “There is a play going around -
Muslims are bad.”  This is not true.  It is a prevarication.  A thorough hunt, even
for illegitimate theater, to find out anything about it, there is nothing like that. 
There are some sympathetic to Islam idiosyncratic youtube videos at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikytDBlvfaw
that seems to usher at least 71 other such videos that have been made, where
if you want spoon fed what it is you want see and hear about Islam, these vids
allegedly will “correct” erroneous perceptions in the world.  Perhaps, but it is
obviously presented by defensive/offensive Islamists; defending their
religiously obstructed point of view, while promising offensive (violent) actions. 
To get an “objective” picture, that is, one of reality, one should not to go to
ones about whom one wants a “correct” picture.  Someone who has no
emotional attachment either for or against the content of the picture needs to
be consulted.  Someone detached. But try to find one! 

Obama is criticized damned if he does anything, damned if he doesn’t
depending on from which extreme end one is peering.  He won’t be bringing
home the troops from Afghanistan, he will be sending more.  How much more
will tell what is the intention of this country’s continued investment in
Afghanistan.  Seems like the warped mind that shot up 13 live people and 1
unborn at Ft. Hood will actually fan the flames for more involvement in a
perceived war against militant Islamists.  Regardless of protest it is certain that
bin Laden is shoulder to shoulder with the Taliban.  To deny that is pure head
in the sand foolishness.  Sad tale indeed!  Sad tale to 13 live and 1 unborn
people’s family indeed!  If we want to stop the war with militant Islamism, then
we ought to say so and stop passing gas on it.  Who is for ending America’s
part in that war?  Do you think if American did end its part, the terrorists
would end its war with America? Answer if you dare. Give a good argument and
I will agree with you.

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By MvGuy, November 13, 2009 at 7:25 pm Link to this comment

It’s a sad tale to be sure….  Nidal Malik Hasan born to a Palestinian family…and he probably disliked his “foreigness” wanting to be one of the guys… joins ROTC and soon is virtually owned by the military….  But as a Psychiatrist he is the latter day confessor..  He has heard of the killing for fun, the torture rape murders that soldiers like Stephen Green do to CHILDREN. ...  He knows far too well,  the darkness in men’s hearts. Still, he was able to put one foot in front of the other and go to his office/cubicle and go through the motions..  In fact he had become accustomed to just that…  going through the motions…...then one day he snapped..??  or did he..??  He could have been one of those CIA Manchurian Assassins like Bremmer and Mark David Chapman..as a convenient prop in the “Muslims are bad” play that is currently touring America.  Perhaps he got tired of seeing the American support for Israel’s liquidation of the Palestinias..  Whatever it was, it is a cautionary tale…

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By Blackspeare, November 13, 2009 at 9:46 am Link to this comment

Well this could be an interesting development.  If Obama proceeds with a troop withdrawal, then by regressive deduction you could say that Major Hasan’s rampage worked!

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By mlb, November 13, 2009 at 8:54 am Link to this comment

Obama goes to Fort Hood and unleashes his “soaring” rhetoric, but he is responsible for those deaths as much as if he’d murdered them himself.  It was his continuance and escalation of the needless imperialist war on Afghanistan and the resulting effects on the soldiers that were Hasan’s patients that drove Hasan to commit multiple murders.  If not for Obama’s sellout to the fascists in our civilian government and the military industrial complex, those people at Fort Hood and thousands of innocent Afghans and Pakistanis would still be alive.  Obama’s call for an intelligence investigation is just vile.  He should be investigating his own conscience.

We are so shocked and horrified at murder in a context like Fort Hood, but war is nothing more than government sanctioned mass murder, and yet somehow that’s just fine with many people.  It’s probably this capacity for such grotesque hypocrisy, dishonesty, stupidity, and self-contradiction that depresses me most about the human condition.

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By Howie Bledsoe, November 13, 2009 at 5:11 am Link to this comment
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intel???
for what?
I comes as a shock that this happened???
Obama, you´ve got bigger fish to fry.
REduce the # of soldier, you´ll reduce the chances of this happening again.
simple.

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By Jaded Prole, November 13, 2009 at 4:51 am Link to this comment

It doesn’t take a major investigation or much “intel” to see this as a small reflection of a much larger crime. Maj. Hasan didn’t start out as a radical, he was driven to it. He never should have been assigned to Ft. Hood as a Psychiatrist. There, aside from the constant racism he faced, he listened to soldier after soldier tell of the horrific crimes they committed in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as the hate they had been programed with against Muslims by our armed forces. The outcome, while regretful, is not surprising. Our military has created monsters imbued with evangelical fervor and racist hatred and yes, they will come home that way. Some will kill themselves, some will manage to heal, some will “snap.” The real crime is the unnecessary wars and misguided training promoted by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others. This crime of historic proportions will continue, in effect, for generations.

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By Leefeller, November 13, 2009 at 4:19 am Link to this comment

Sephard, I also heard this, I hope your and Sodium are correct, this has seemed like madness within madness!

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By ardee, November 13, 2009 at 4:04 am Link to this comment

From Tomgram:

Tomgram: Alfred McCoy, Surveillance State, U.S.A.

Wars come home in strange, unnerving ways—as Americans have just discovered at Fort Hood. Even before Major Nidal Malik Hasan went on his killing spree, that base, a major military embarkation point for our war zones, was already experiencing the after-effects of eight years of war and repeated tours of duty. The suicide rate at Fort Hood was soaring (with 10 on the base in 2009 alone). Divorce rates were on the rise, as were mental health problems, drug and alcohol use, domestic abuse (up 75% since 2001), and murders among war-zone returnees. Even violent crime in Killeen, the town that houses the base, was up 22% (though it was down, according to the New York Times, “in towns of similar size in other parts of the country”). In an era in which our last president urged Americans to support his Global War on Terror by shopping and visiting Disney World, it often seemed that, except for soldiers and their families, our wars abroad affected little in this country.

Bring them home.

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By Sepharad, November 12, 2009 at 10:37 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller, I think (for the first time) that bringing the troops home is exactly what the President is going to do. Heard a radio report late this afternoon that he iss rejecting his generals’ request for more troops in Afghanistan. The commentator also said Obama was seen walking, alone, through Arlington Cemetery looking at the soldiers’ gravestones—something no other President has been caught doing. Am hoping some longer stories in the newspapers to morrow a.m. confirm this. And now I’m sorry I was so quick to blame him for not getting us out of the wars. Sodium, who said we should give him a couple years before passing judgment on him, was apparently right (as he usually is).

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By Leefeller, November 12, 2009 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

How about bringing the troops home!

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By Ouroborus, November 12, 2009 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

Slight correction; the reports all came from the
military, but, the MSM bought it all; hook, line, and
sinker.

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By Ouroborus, November 12, 2009 at 6:40 pm Link to this comment

Well, let’s all hear it for the MSM. Their credibility
has gone from 0 to minus 100; first they report Maj.
Nidal Hasan dead and then fabricate the whole shooting
incident. As the worm turns Kimberly Munley may not
have even gotten off one shot;  Sgt. Mark Todd is the
one who ended Hasan’s rampage.
I wonder what fantasy the intel investigation will
create?

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