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Fort Hood Gunman Still Alive, Acted Alone

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Posted on Nov 5, 2009
Fort Hood aftermath
AP / Jack Plunkett

Sgt. Anthony Sills comforts his wife as they wait outside the Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Texas, on Thursday.

By the end of the day, some confusion about Thursday’s shooting at the Fort Hood Army base in Texas had been cleared up. It turns out, according to later reports, that the military doctor shot at the scene, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, was the only gunman involved in the attack and that he was still alive in its aftermath.  —KA

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The gunman, who was still alive after being shot four times, was identified by law enforcement authorities as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, who had been in the service since 1995. Major Hasan was about to be deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, said Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Republican of Texas.

Clad in a military uniform and firing an automatic pistol and another weapon, Major Hasan, a balding, chubby-faced man with heavy eyebrows, sprayed bullets inside a crowded medical processing center for soldiers returning from or about to be sent overseas, military officials said.

The victims, nearly all military personnel but including two civilians, were cut down in clusters, the officials said. Witnesses told military investigators that medics working at the center tore open the clothing of the dead and wounded to get at the wounds and administer first aid.

As the shooting unfolded, military police and civilian officers of the Department of the Army responded and returned the gunman’s fire, officials said, adding that Major Hasan was shot by a first-responder, who was herself wounded in the exchange.

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By gerard, November 6, 2009 at 9:55 am Link to this comment

There are a lot of other places they could have sent him, right?  And the Middle East is not the only place where psychiatrists are needed? And military rigidity is not the only—or even the most sensible—way of dealing with problems?  And was it worth the Hood experience just to make that point clear, among others?

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By DaveZx3, November 6, 2009 at 9:20 am Link to this comment

gerard, November 6 at 1:12 pm #

Question:  Knowing this guy’s history, who would be stupid enough to deploy him to the Middle East even after they knew he wanted to be released from that assignment?

Everybody wants to be released from that assignment.  The military does not operate on the principal that all the soldiers can’t wait to leave their familes and go overseas to get shot to pieces.

Wants to not factor into the equation, Gerard.

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By gerard, November 6, 2009 at 9:12 am Link to this comment

Question:  Knowing this guy’s history, who would be stupid enough to deploy him to the Middle East even after they knew he wanted to be released from that assignment?

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By DaveZx3, November 6, 2009 at 9:04 am Link to this comment

montanawildhack, November 6 at 11:15 am #

“So, I’ll give you that one, “War is a constant state of mankind.”  Well, if that is true then when we go to war it should be for the right reasons and as a last resort”

I will go even further and say that we should abandon war altogether and negotiate our differences. 

The whole world wants peace.  It is really only a few madmen that stir up the rest, mostly for their own gain.  But the rest always seem fairly eager to jump in themselves, that is why I say it is a constant state of man.  He is predisposed to fight.

I am in favor of outlawing all aggression and I am in favor of complete disarmament, worldwide.  But absolutely not unilateral disarmament, because then you are at the mercy of the madmen. 

But there needs to be a police force somewhere to be able to jump in and stop the madman before he does something stupid.  Unfortunately the police become corrupt themselves and start selling more drug than the drug dealers. 

There is little man can do because of the inabiliity of his mind to act in anything but self interest.  It is a universal fault in man, and in my opinion, a good argument against evolution.  Because violent aggression does not favor a perpetuation of the natural state.  It is like nature at war against itself.

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By gerard, November 6, 2009 at 8:31 am Link to this comment

Prejudice, prejudice!  It’s not me.  It’s him. No, it’s you.  I am the one who is right. The others are wrong.  It has always been that way.  My people have always been more righter than yours.  Etc. etc.  How silly this is!  And yet we train people into it, and give them guns!  Alas!

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By InTheKnow, November 6, 2009 at 7:51 am Link to this comment

I just have to say that montanawildhack, for the most part, has made a very valid point!

Most of the problems that U.S.A. experiences with Moslems worldwide is because of its Judeo-Christian ethic that always finds its foreign policy showing favoritism to Jews and Israel.
As a corollary to that, the foreign policy of the U.S. has been, and continues to be decidedly racist; that is to say, against people of color, and for white people.

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By ted, November 6, 2009 at 7:43 am Link to this comment
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This horrible insane tragedy has grown out of the insane fake war on terrorism.  Why doesn’t the FBI list 9/11 as one of Bin Laden’s crimes? ‘Cause there’s no evidence.  The whole war on terrorism is a monstrous fraud created by our own Reichstag fire.  Serving the MIC and Israel trumps all else.

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By Allan Krueger, November 6, 2009 at 7:24 am Link to this comment

This world would be much better off, WITHOUT RELIGION!

We (delusionally) believe that God is on our side… Blah, blah, blah… and that he/she signs off on endless war and other bullshit carried on in God’s name! Unless “God” is the out of control deity (displaying human foibles) described in the Old Testament, we are on our own (and screwed)!

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By montanawildhack, November 6, 2009 at 7:15 am Link to this comment

DaveZx3,,

So, I’ll give you that one, “War is a constant state of mankind.”  Well, if that is true then when we go to war it should be for the right reasons and as a last resort…  Our enemy is neither Iraq, Afghanistan or Iran…. It is Israel…. They do not play well with the other children and need to be removed from the sand box…  As I’ve said many times before give the jews a like sized amount of land in the Mojave desert and call it good… The orthodox jews could stay in Palestine and wait for their Messiah…  Many people don’t realize that the true orthodox jews Do Not believe in the current state of Israel…  They believe Israel will not return until the TRUE Messiah comes….  See even the Real Jews believe in what I’m saying…. Peace…

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By thecrow, November 6, 2009 at 6:39 am Link to this comment

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” - Voltaire

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/first-person-shooter/

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By Howie Bledsoe, November 6, 2009 at 6:28 am Link to this comment
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What´s so hard to understand here,
a muslin arab comes in and wipes out the very guys who are on their way to his country to wipe out his people.
man, war is a bitch, and it´s unfair. but don´t start blubbering when it happens to your ass, because thats the nature of war.

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By DaveZx3, November 6, 2009 at 5:50 am Link to this comment

montanawildhack, November 6 at 9:10 am

I don’t condone war.  I hate war.  But war is a constant state of mankind, and you can deny it if you wish. 

The people are different, the nations are different, the religions are different, but the violence and hatred that rages in mankind and perpetuates war is a constant.  You can see the hatred and intolerance in various posts on this site.  Of course everyone is right in his own mind.  That is mankinds problem.
Everyone is right in their own mind. 

But I will guarantee you one thing, all that sticking your head in the sand is going to do is get your ass blown off.  If you will live to see another day, you are going to have to create some real solutions. 

One of the largest conflicts ever engaged in by men is the effort to rid the world of the Jew, the King of the Jews, and the God of the Jews.  It has been an ongoing effort, unsuccessful so far, not wholly attributable to the US, as we are a relative newcomer.

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By montanawildhack, November 6, 2009 at 5:10 am Link to this comment

Good morning Dave Zx3,,

So you were a soldier and in a war??  Well good for you…  That means you were trained to follow orders and kill whomever those who had more shiny stuff on their chest told you to kill….  Who really is the looney bird that fell off the perch ehh Dave Zx3??  Did you fight and kill those evil rice farmers in Vietnam??? Or were you in one of our more recent illegal and immoral wars selling your soul and fighting for Greater Israel????  Jesus H. Christmas you people really give me a pain in the ass….  Why is there Terrorism Dave????? Why why why????  That’s a question rarely asked….  Is there terrorism in Russia Dave???? Is there terrorism in China Dave??? Is there terrorism in Brazil Dave??? Is there terrorism in France???? Is there terrorism in Spain??? (there used to be but remember they got the f__k out of Iraq and now there isn’t)  I could go on and on and on….  These people hate us because we are involved in the Mid east supporting a violent Theocracy—-Israel and those other countries are not…  You’re not really that stupid and believe they hate us because of our freedom are you Dave???  Now go back to cleaning your guns and dreaming of the days when it was legal for you to kill innocent people…  I sincerely hope I’ve answered your queries…

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By DaveZx3, November 6, 2009 at 4:09 am Link to this comment

montanawildhack, November 6 at 7:47 am

“Bring our boys home and put them to work on farms picking fruit and vegetables”.  “It’s really that simple”

Only a true simpleton could funnel the outrageous complexities of the world stage down to such an absurd post. 

Picking fruits and vegetables does not keep “our boys” alive.  The people that would like to kill them are right here, training on American soil.  The battle will be fought in our towns and cities, and on the doorsteps to our homes, because we did not have the will to keep it somewhere else. 

A cornerstone of American policy was to keep the enemy far away, (Monroe Doctrine).  It worked for 200+ years, for the most part.  But that day is over.  Chinese recon patrols penetrate our southern border out of Mexico.  Terrorists train and recruit all over this country.  What do you think tomorrow holds?  And what would be your real solution?

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By DaveZx3, November 6, 2009 at 3:49 am Link to this comment

Your heart has to be torn in two for the families of returnees.  They survived the war, but were gunned down in the peaceful environment of a processing center.  I cannot imagine what agony they must be going through.

This action by a major who possessed certain religious and cultural ties, underscores the problems inherent within a multi-cultural state. 

A man can be torn apart by conflicts of country and culture, country and ideology, country and religion, etc. 

One should think very hard before joining the military if there are any conflicts in the mind.  And the military should do more checking if conflicts are evident.  Of course this would be seen as profiling, and would be found unconstitutional.

But, as someone who was in war myself, the last thing you need to deal with in a combat situation is whether the guy next to you is really on your side or not. 

This is why agenda people:  gays, ideologues, even some woman, are resisted by the military.  (I am impressed that a brave female first responder was able to be very effective, not because I doubt the capabilities of women, but I have seen many agenda types who melted at the first sign of action.  Thank God this woman was a real soldier, or policeman or whatever)

I am not trying to politicize this incident, because the victims deserve better.  It was done by one lone looney bird who fell off the perch, and no politics should be written into it.  But the military will protect itself from agenda people.  You cannot have double-minded people in battle.

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By montanawildhack, November 6, 2009 at 3:47 am Link to this comment

This is such a tragic story….  Tragic because those young heros killed yesterday will not be able to go over to Afghanistan and Iraq and kill innocent young men who mean us no harm…. Seriously folks it’s time to stop the talk.. Stop the useless and endless articles.  End the f____king stupid useless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and bring the boys home… Let Israel and her nut-case sky god fight their own god damn wars..  Their “brave” soldiers are drinking beer and eating olives at bistros on the Mediterranean sea and our boys are getting wasted…  Bring our boys home and put them to work on farms picking fruit and vegetables… And take away their guns and planes and bombs so they can’t hurt one another… It’s really that simple…

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