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By Frank, November 14 at 1:45 pm #
Walter wrote:
Fair enough. I could refer to you as a NeoCon then, or Bush Republican, if you
Report thisprefer. Please don’t call yourself a conservative, though. It is a grossly inaccurate
slander against actual conservatives.
By Frank, November 14 at 1:26 pm #
Walter, that wiki link is not a primary source for me and I had never seen it
before posting it. It was just a quick reference to refute the stats you had
posted which I already knew were incomplete and misleading. I think it refutes your general premise quite well, though it takes careful consideration and not just a quick glance.
As I said before, comparing individual countries from different regions is not
scientific as it ignores most factors besides ethnicity, such as the economy and
system of government. However, it is true that some of the lowest murder rates on that list are a handful of Islamic states with extremely strict crime laws and also Japan and China, two of the most racial homogenous countries on earth, which also benefit from high East Asian IQ rates. Their approach to immigration should be a model for the United States.
Comparing larger regions or sub-regions made up of several or more
countries with varying economies and governments, which still share a
common ethnic dominance is more meaningful (see the murder rates for
Western Europe vs other regions), but it’s still not the best way to compare,
because even Western European countries with fairly low crime rates are
disproportionately affected by their non-white immigrant populations.
A much better way is to compare crime rates of ethnicities within the
same nation, where ethnicities share the same government and national
economy. Look at crime rates by race in the UK, or any of those European
countries with significant non-white populations, and you will see a similar
trend. Immigrants and blacks within European countries commit crimes there at
a much higher rate, just as they do in the US. A disproportionate amount of
murders are committed by ethnic minority criminal gangs. Crime by gangs is
not an alternative explanation to race, it is a direct result of the
importation of ethnic minorities into those countries. Integration is an even
bigger failure in Europe than it is in the US.
As for Africa, yes it is and always has been at war at the tribal level or greater,
Report thisenjoying relative peace only when European colonial powers were there to
govern. Colonization is the only reason Africa is not still living in the stone
ages, because without Western Science, Western-style parliamentary
government, and the massive economic subsidies that Africa has gotten from
the west, Sub-Saharan Africa would still be made up almost entirely of primitive
tribal people. As European colonial powers pulled out, those nations began to
spiral downward as they were given the responsibility of governing themselves.
Those that still have strong western influence and a significant number of
white Europeans as administrative consultants in their government offices fare
better than others. And, no I’m not going to spend all day looking up links to
provide you data which I already know. This is beginning to feel like a futile
exercise anyway. Faith is a roadblock to reason, as much for the religions of
multiculturalism and ‘equality’ as for any other.
By Frank, November 13 at 10:54 am #
By the way, if anyone would like exposure to some actual current scientific research on the reality of race, as well as the evolutionary basis for the ethnic self-interest that many decry as ‘racism’, or the importance of ethnic kinship (racial homogeny) for the success of a nation-state, the following book would be a great starting point. There are also links to other good books on the subject on the same Amazon page:
On Genetic Interests: Family, Ethnicity, and Humanity in an Age of Mass Migration
http://www.amazon.com/Genetic-Interests-Ethnicity-Humanity-Migration/dp/1412805961
Report thisBy Frank, November 13 at 10:37 am #
Ardee, at least you now admit that you can’t refute what I am saying with facts
or reason, you can only condemn it on an emotional level.
The irony is that the most racist statement in the thread is the following one
made by you, and is one you apparently can’t back up with facts:
The truth is racism is now mainstream, widely accepted, and even preached by
leftist University professors across the country. That racism, the kind that is
permitted and manifests itself in hiring quotas and revisionist education, is directed against whites. And your statement is a good example of it.
The greatest difference between you and I, Ardee, is that truth and evidence are on my side.
Report thisBy ardee, November 13 at 8:38 am #
Walter L. Tayes, November 11 at 7:33 am
We share a revulsion for this poster’s sorry position, and we both recognize him for what he is. But we can certainly not change him, only treat him as we would any large pile of excrement found on the sidewalk; step around it and continue our walk.
Report thisBy Walter L. Tayes, November 13 at 8:35 am #
(Unregistered commenter)
Hi Frank, Thanks for sending me the source of your info.
About self-esteem: I stand by my opinion of low-esteem, your alleged achievements and physique can give you self-confidence, but not self-esteem. You’d have to look up the definition of self-esteem.
About your charts: I think your sources prove my point, crime is a social issue, not a race one!!
The 2004 chart IS NOT VALID!! because it provides statistics by regions. It places Central America at a rate of 29.3. Central America includes El Salvador, Honduras, and Nicaragua. These three countries have suffered negative consequences due to the massive deportation of “American-made” street gangs, such as “La Mara Salvatrucha” and “La 18.” THE SOCIAL PROBLEM that these deportations have caused in these three countries will affect the ratings of the rest of the countries that make up that region.
If you still think that it has to do with race, answer this, why is Costa Rica at such a low homicide rate?? Costa Rica is Central America.
Now Africa: It saddens me that you use Africa to prove a race factor, but let’s look at it anyway!
Social Fact: At least FIFTEEN countries in Africa are at war rigth now, and thousands of African citizens are being displaced of their homes, and robbed of their countries’ natural resources, such as oil, timber and diamonds, mostly by white (evil)foreigners. (http://www.africasunnews.com/wars.html)
Doesn’t a war mean that you want to “intentionally” kill the enemy? aren’t wars a social issue?? how do you think Europe would’ve rated it if they had conducted an “intentional homicide” report in the mid 1940’s.?
Do you really think is fair to look at countries that are at war and accuse them of being “genetically determined” to be criminals?
Let’s continue studying the “pre-determined African criminals:”
In the 2009 chart:
Let’s compare a few countries by contrast in race:
(Russia 16.5 / Haiti 11.5) (Germany 0.88 / Morocco 0.53) (France 1.59 / Syria 1.14) (Lithuania 8.13 / Mexico 10.0) (Switzerland 2.26 / India 2.82) (Poland 1.28 / Niger 1.28) (Ireland 1.59/Syria 1.14) (Italy 1.06 / Emirate Arab United 0.92)
These numbers are too close to make you think that race plays a factor in crime..Why is Poland and Niger the same?? Why are the numbers of Arabic countries lower than Europeans?
Did you notice that NONE of the 10 countries rated with the least “intentional homicide” are “white”??
A middle eastern could use those ten countries to prove a “genetic determination.” aka: superiority over other races because of their super low “intentional homicide” rate.
Your charts prove my point: Crime is link 100% to social factors NOT TO RACE FACTORS. The countries with the highest “intentional homicide” rate, such as Colombia, El Salvador and Honduras, are at war, one with the Drug Cartels and the others with gangs that were exported from the United States. And you taking advantage of this fact to use them to prove a point of “genetic determination” is unfair.
Africa I wouldn’t even touch it!! I’d just pray for them…but then again, you’re not religious.
At least 15 countries at war because they’re being robbed, right now! and you used them to prove their crime rate?? What would you do if you were being kicked out of your house while your country was being robbed??
Sorry, I wanted to see your point, but I couldn’t!! Crime has to do with society, oppression, poverty, discrimination, ignorance, racism..race has nothing with crime..that’s just my opinion.
p.s. I’m a Palin/Limbaugh/Hannity/Levin/Bush/Reagan/Steel Conservative….please don’t call me liberal…
Report thisBy Frank, November 12 at 10:44 pm #
Ardee wrote:
Because you steered the thread that way by denying a reality I mentioned as
part of a discussion on immigration.
Ardee wrote:
Are murder and rape not the ‘greatest crimes’? Did you not see the murder and
Report thisrape statistics I posted? Then try the link I provided for Walter about global
violence. It’s even more telling. Damning, in fact.
By Frank, November 12 at 10:33 pm #
Walter, I must confess that I have never read Mein Kampf and have little interest in Hitler’s personal memoirs. My written statements are my own, not extractions from any book. My awareness of race realities are based on current genetic research and crime data, not 70-year-old Nazi ideology.
The truth is that most liberals don’t really care about scientific research or what the statistical data suggests about race. They will condemn anyone as a ‘racist’ or ‘white supremacist’ who dares speak openly about racial differences. They do so without any real regard for objective truth. They see it as a ideological imperative rather than a scientific question, with a pre-determined outcome that must be reached, and will cherry-pick or ignore data to try and reach their desired conclusion. That is the antithesis of science or rational debate.
As for my alleged low self-esteem, I admit to being stumped here. I have an
IQ of 145-152 based on standardized tests taken over many years. I am 6’4” tall and very athletic, in the top 2% physically for my age. I own a successful business and enjoy the devotion of a beautiful woman. Oddly enough, others seem to view me as successful and confident. But thank you for making me aware of this esteem problem that I am apparently suffering from. I will get to work on that crisis right away.
In reality, the only thing that distinguishes me from many intelligent people is that I don’t care a whit about political correctness. I am not willing to suppress truth or condemn people who speak it, simply because frank discussion of certain realities might offend someone’s feelings or ideological sensibilities. As Thomas Jefferson so aptly said, “There is not a truth existing which I fear… or would wish unknown to the whole world.”
And Walter, I never said race was the only factor in crime determination, only
that it is a factor. If you want to compare crime rates of multiple races
within any of those countries you mentioned, to see how they behave within
the same political system and national economy, then go for it. Then your data
might be relevant. As it is, your data is completely bogus and is based on
voluntary reporting, which leaves out many of the worst countries:
Reality check:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
And Walter, the success of America has never been dependent on any ethnic group other than that which founded it, won it’s independence, authored it’s Constitution, and pioneered it’s frontiers. I am aware, however, that both Ashkenazim Jews and Southeast Asians have a slight advantage over Whites in terms of average IQ (though standard deviation is another matter), so I guess that disqualifies me as a white supremacist.
And Walter, as if you couldn’t look any sillier, individuals like Hitler and Stalin are not statistically significant as members of a group that numbers nearly a billion people worldwide. If you want to see how the various group behaves, look at the statistics I offered. You do understand what rate means, as in crime rate?
Report thisBy Walter L. Tayes, November 11 at 7:33 am #
(Unregistered commenter)
To Ardee: Re: Frank
“Genetically determined??” sounds like page 312 of Mein Kampf “Race, however, does not lie in the language, but exclusively in the blood” A. Hitler
Or page 286, “The Germanic inhabitant of the American continent, who has remained racially pure and unmixed, rose to be master of the continent.”
Sorry Frank, but I read that book too, twice!
What Mr. Fuhrer forgot to mention to you Frank is that JEWS, those “racially inferior Jews” are the ones who run the economy of this country!! without Jews this country would be nothing more than another European socialist country with nothing more to offer than a Diego Rivera Painting!!
Ardee, you really should’ve ignored Frank’s comments as soon as he wrote
“clear understanding that racial differences are a biological fact,
genetically determined, and are the result of the varied evolutionary pressures
and resulting adaptations.”
This phrase was extracted from Mein Kampf, and it told us right away that Frank is probably a racist or a lost “Mein Kampf” soul!!
My opinion is that Frank most likely has a low self-esteem, and he walks around wanting to believe that he, in some way, is better than someone else, someone with whom he doesn’t have to compete mentally or physically, and that’s why he uses skin color to convince himself of some kind of superiority, because it’s all he’s got, a light skin!
Let me explain why I believe this way:
Frank thinks that a person commits a crime based on a “biological fact,” and that criminals are “genetically determined,” in other words, a race problem, and he bases his opinion on some FBI statistics.
The problem is that as soon as Frank inserts Genes and Biology as a factor for crimes, he opens up a whole new door, and Whites, Blacks, or Latinos all around the world must also play because each race shares the same “Gene” or the same “Biology,” regardless of their geographical location, and this is where Frank’s case falls apart to unmask Frank as an ignorant bigot (no offense intended)or simply a new Mein Kampf student.
If Frank didn’t have a low self-esteem and he was really good at reading reports, statistics, and studies as he claims to be, a simple “google” search would’ve showed him the following statistics:
http://www.nationmasters.com has the following murder per capita reports, being #01 the highest:
Russia is number #05
Mexico is number #06
Estonia #07, Latvia #08, Lithuania #09, Belarus #10, Ukraine #11, Papua New Guinea #12, Kyrgystan #13, these are all-white countries. Costa Rica (latin America) ranks #19, and Poland(whites) #20. uruguay ranks #22 and the U.S. #24. Japan is #60 out of 62.
Murder, Frank, is the highest crime that a human being can commit, and your “genetically determined” people are just as bad as anybody else, maybe even worst if we consider Hitler or Lenin or both.
If we were to take Frank’s statements as facts, then we would have to say that whites are more “genetically determined” to be murderers than Japanese or Asians. But Frank would probably argue that Asians are “whites,” and that that’s why they rate so slow in the murder per capita statistics, it’s all about self-esteem!
Minorities commit lots of crimes in the U.S., but their crimes, as well as everybody elses crimes, are based on social factors. The sooner we comprehend this fact, the sooner we can start working towards finding a solution.
Frank’s mentality of “all is lost because its in the Genes,” won’t solve anything, after all, the victims families don’t give a damn about what color the M#@?&$? F@<*? who murderer their son was!!
Hitler wrote Mein Kampf when he was in prison, Frank, those are all opinions, he didn’t use facts because the book was intended to target people’s emotions, to win-over the working German class, aka ignorants. Just as nowadays Democrats appeal to people’s emotions instead of their reasonings, so did the Fuhrer.
“Are fired up?!” Obama.
Report thisBy ardee, November 10 at 8:07 pm #
Frank, November 9 at 8:10 pm #
Ardee, this was not a debate about crime, but about immigration.
*************************
So then you post statistics showing that blacks commit crimes more frequently than do whites? You are the weakest link….
The greatest crimes are committed by white anglo saxon protestants, and always have been.
Blacks are convicted at far greater numbers than are whites, and receive longer sentences as well.
Crime goes hand in glove with poverty and discrimination, just as you, apparently go hand in glove with sheet wearing and hooded cross burners.
I am confident that most folks here see you for what you are, and it is far from a pretty sight. Further I think most understand th etruth about your statistics, even if you are too racist to get it.
I will remove you from my list of those worthy of discussion or even notice…Post what you will I will now ignore you as a slime trail leaving bigot of the first order.
Report thisBy Frank, November 10 at 5:50 pm #
Some more spoon feeding for Ardee:
West Virginia: Dispelling the Myth That Poverty Causes Crime
In 2000, the population of West Virginia was about 1,808,344 people. Whites
accounted for about 95% of the population. Blacks accounted for about 3.6%
of West Virginia’s population.
Source: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/54000.html
The incidence of violent crime in West Virginia is consistently among the lowest in the nation. As of 2004, West Virginia ranked 45 out of 50 states.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
(all sources provided, including the US Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2004).
West Virginia is also one of the poorest states in the country. In 2000, the poverty rate in West Virginia was 17.9 percent. The national average was 12.4
percent.
Source: http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/SAFFFacts?_event=Search&_lang=en&_sse=on&geo_id=04000US54&_state=04000US54
West Virginia, with a poverty rate of 17.2 percent in both 2001 and 2002, was sixth-highest in the poverty ranking.
Source: http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ranks/rank34.html
The States with the lowest percentage of justice employees were West Virginia and North Dakota (less than 8% of all employees). These two States consistently have among the lowest crime rates in the country.
Source: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/jeeus99.txt
As of 2003, blacks accounted for 3.2% of West Virginia’s total population and 34.9% of it’s total prison population.
Source: http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/usa/incarceration/
Report thisBy Frank, November 10 at 5:29 pm #
For Ardee’s benefit, since he missed this the first time:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/adducr/age_race_specific.pdf
Start on page 55 for an introduction to reality
Arrest rates per 100,000 people in US for 2001 (all other years documented show similar trends)
Crime Index
=========
White 615
Non-White 1,534
Violent Crime
==========
White 164
Non-White 510
Murder
=========
White 3
Non-white 14.8
Forcible Rape
=========
White 7.3
Non-White 20.3
Robbery
=========
White 23
Non-White 132.8
Report thisAggravated Assault
==========
White 131.5
Non-White 342.3
By Frank, November 10 at 5:27 pm #
So you didn’t see the FBI crime statistics the source link I provided?
Everything I said is based on fact and is documentable. What precisely do you
Report thiswant proof of? Give me any specific claim I made you are unable to reconcile with
reality and the available data on the internet, and maybe I will be willing to hold
your hand and help you out further.
By ardee, November 10 at 8:12 am #
Frank, November 9 at 8:10 pm
Obfuscation is the concealment of intended meaning in communication, making communication confusing, intentionally ambiguous, and more difficult to interpret.
–verb (used with object), -cat?ed, -cat?ing.
1. to confuse, bewilder, or stupefy.
2. to make obscure or unclear: to obfuscate a problem with extraneous information.
Report thisMore excuses for a refusal to back your fairy tales with any legitimate proof. Do you really think you are fooling anyone?
By Frank, November 9 at 8:10 pm #
Ardee, this was not a debate about crime, but about immigration. In presenting
my opinions on immigration and Americans cultural foundations, I was
presenting information, admittedly taboo to discuss openly in most public
forums, that is known full well by most adults in the US, no matter what their
race. Having to provide you links to back up those commonly understood facts
about society is like discussing the risks of a sailboat a trip around the world
and then having some indignant troll demand links to prove that the earth is
round.
How is it you don’t know these things already Ardee? Is is a sad testament
about political correctness or maybe the growing cowardice of Americans to
discuss race reality that someone like you is denying what should be common
knowledge, without having the data handed to them .
NEWS FLASH: The only serious debate among the left and right these days is
Report thisWHY minority crime rates are so much higher, not whether or no they actually
are. Welcome to reality, Ardee. Sorry if it hurts, and good night.
By Frank, November 9 at 8:00 pm #
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew
Enjoy the FBI report by the way.
Report thisBy ardee, November 9 at 7:56 pm #
I’m not here to be your research associate by finding you ‘links’ and spoon-
feeding you information because you are too intellectually lazy to do it
yourself? My information comes from personal associations s in the law enforcement and intelligence communities, not ‘lazypedia.com’. I’m sure these facts are probably readily
verifiable online, but I care not a whit whether or not you remain clueless, so look or don’t look.
******************************
Nope, you are here to spout unbelievable nonsense unencumbered by any need to back up your shit with links.
Ethnic Jews not Hebrew…..do you always post wearing a red nose, orange wig and oversized shoes?
Report thisBy Frank, November 9 at 7:50 pm #
OK, this took me all of 60 seconds to find online (how helpless are you?), and it’s just the tip of the iceberg
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/adducr/age_race_specific.pdf
Start on page 55 for an introduction to reality
Arrest rates per 100,000 people in US for 2001
Crime Index
=========
White 615
Non-White 1,534
Violent Crime
==========
White 164
Non-White 510
Murder
=========
White 3
Non-white 14.8
Forcible Rape
=========
White 7.3
Non-White 20.3
Robbery
=========
White 23
Non-White 132.8
Aggravated Assault
==========
White 131.5
Non-White 342.3
Report thisYou could spend all day finding the same trends in crime data at any level of
law enforcement. Nobody seriously denies it. The left just wants us to think
that blacks commit forcible rape at a rate 3 times higher than whites because
they are ‘oppressed’. A trip to Africa to see how blacks behave in black-run
countries will clear up that delusion pretty quickly.
By Frank, November 9 at 7:26 pm #
Five minutes of searching ‘Russia Mafia’ will illuminate your ignorance . Who said anything about the hebrew faith? An ethnic Jew who is
non-religious is still a Jew. The only reason Russian mafia members were
allowed to emigrate from the Soviet Union to the US and Israel was by proving
Jewish ancestry so they were allowed in as ‘refugees’.
I’m not here to be your research associate by finding you ‘links’ and spoon-
Report thisfeeding you information because you are too intellectually lazy to do it
yourself? My information comes from personal associations s in the law enforcement and intelligence communities, not ‘lazypedia.com’. I’m sure these facts are probably readily
verifiable online, but I care not a whit whether or not you remain clueless, so look or don’t look.
By ardee, November 9 at 8:39 am #
As for the ‘Russian’ mafia, they are nearly entirely Jews, not ethnic Russians
A direct and pointless lie. The Russian Mafia originated in Georgia and is certainly not of the Hebrew faith…I wonder if you failed to take your medication this morning?
Your statistics lack a single link or other sort of verification, and prove only that you have no respect for truth, justice or fairness. But thanks ever so much for the blatancy of your stupidity.
Report thisBy Frank, November 8 at 9:58 pm #
I can’t speak for Marty, but my own race realism does not prevent me from
reading and analyzing crime statistics, though your denial of race reality seems
to impair your ability to do so. Crimes rates of black poor and latino poor
are much higher than those of white poor, and are significantly higher than
whites across the income spectrum. This is a fact, as evidenced by the Uniform
Crime Reports from the US Department of Justice.
And by the way, what precisely is the economic motivation of assault and rape?
There are organized crime syndicates that have white members, yes. When they
get arrested for crimes, they are counted as ‘white’, not ‘mafia’ in ethnic
descriptions, and are part of the overall crime rate attributed to that racial
group by the US Department of Justice. The assertion that non-European
immigrants (as well as Blacks) commit crimes against Americans at much
higher rates than whites (including mafia) is a fact, incontrovertible and
extensively documented in crime reporting statistics from the federal level
down.
As for the ‘Russian’ mafia, they are nearly entirely Jews, not ethnic Russians
(East Slavic), and are NOT European or western peoples. They are not
representative of white Russian peoples at all.
Also, there are approximately 2000 members of the Italian Mafia (Cosa Nostra)
belonging to 5 major crime families currently in the US. Even if there are just as
many non-made members waiting to get in (and that’s a stretch) that is 4,000
members in the US. Compare that with black and latino gangs, with
membership between 700,000 and 900,000 among a population of those
minorities that is much smaller than American whites to begin with.
I can’t comment on what White Christians think, because I am a non-religious
person with a clear understanding that racial differences are a biological fact,
genetically determined, and are the result of the varied evolutionary pressures
and resulting adaptations. An earlier post already answered your question
about why European immigrants are preferred by Americans, if you care to re-
read it. Our European ancestors founded the nation, won it’s independence,
created it’s system of laws, settled it’s frontiers, founded and dominated the
growth of it’s industries, and the cultural achievements of Western Civilization
outshine any other civilization that has ever existed.
Mexico, which is populated and governed almost entirely by Mexicans, is a
Report thiscorrupt, crime-infested cesspool of fallen civilization. Mexico is as
Mexicans do. Why would any sane American want to import that element
into their country?
By ardee, October 29 at 7:21 pm #
Marty G., October 29 at 6:40 am
I understand that your racism prevents you from seeing that crimes resulting in jail time are committed by the poor, whether black or brown, white or green. Crimes, on the other hand, committed by the rich result in govt bailouts.
You are really a dying breed, and I suspect most are really truly glad.
Report thisBy Marty G., October 29 at 6:40 am #
(Unregistered commenter)
Glider and Ardee, if you really want the humiliation of a comparison of white
Report this(European) vs Latino and Black crime rates in this country, just let me know.
By ardee, October 27 at 6:55 am #
Marty G., October 26 at 7:12 am
hey pinhead.. This is an adult forum and your childish lack of reading comprehension doesnt play well in this Peoria..For your edification I repeat the part of the sentence you so easily ignore in your rush to demonstrate your inability at nuance or honest debate:
or commit crimes against Americans at staggering levels.
Thus the noting of those various crime syndicates you disparage sans thought…Please try harder or not at all.
The fact remains that rants against immigrants are simply stupid. Especially in a nation wherein all were such.
Report thisBy glider, October 26 at 6:53 pm #
An open question to Christians here:
I am very curious as to the apparent preference of white American Christians to favor distant European immigration to nearby Mexican immigration. I will admit to fearing this a bit myself because they seem to have drunk the koolaid of Catholic birth control prohibition and seem to be a threat to uncontrolled population expansion to me. But I do think that would ameliorate with time if they came here. Still I personally fear that aspect of immigration deep inside, as greedy as that is of me, because I feel our population is too high. But to Christians these people must be considered one of the most “God fearing” of peoples. So how do you rationalize your distaste for these people? And why do you think God created them? I am genuinely curious about this conundrum. It baffles me to an extent, other than I can see many other self serving inconsistencies amongst your group. But please try to enlighten me if you understand the facts differently.
Report thisBy glider, October 26 at 5:53 pm #
Marty says:
>>“Yeah the Italian Mafia, the Irish Mafia, the Russian Mafia…” Russians are Europeans and part of the West? Really? Cosa Nostra (“Italian Mafia”) is a ‘street gang’? They number in the thousands across American cities and commit daily murders and assaults of other gang members and civilians wearing the wrong ‘colors’? Do you seem them out recruiting school kids and flashing gang signs in the streets where you are? Frank is dead on. It’s your rant that is imaginary.<<
That’s a cute little rhetorical gotcha over the Russians. But why don’t you get a clue Marty if you are interested in an honest discourse? Basic human phenomena such as the formation of these criminal groups takes on different forms due to many factors. Nothing other than your mental state argues otherwise. There are different circumstances that account for the expressions of these groups whether they be brown “street gangs”, the Klu Klux Klan, the Aryan Brotherhood, the Hells Angels, the Mafia, the Banksters, etc. The multi trillion dollar magnitude of the malfeasance of the last group of upstanding white European decendents will wreak more death and destruction than all the others combined, if you care to consider them, in spite of it not fitting the comfort level of your average white supremacist.
Report thisBy glider, October 26 at 12:43 pm #
Hi Richard,
Report thisYour points are very logical. I doubt a massive barrier is necessary if there would simple be a logical enforced system for employing cheap labor in this country. Contrary to popular belief on the right these immigrants do provide many worthwhile services and some sort of reasonable arrangement that ends abuses yet is mutually beneficial, should be possible.
By Arm., October 26 at 10:42 am #
(Unregistered commenter)
My husband and I came to the U.S. as legal immigrants. We had to have medical tests, physical tests and tests to state that we were not mentally ill. It took about a year for us to be approved to enter the U.S.. We have worked hard and made a decent living, own our own home. We have never had to resort to the Government for any kind of help. I resent those who come to my country illegally.
Report thisThe U.S. Government, instead of trying to change the Middle East, should try to demand that the Mexican Government get it’s house in order and look after his own people, so that they would not have to sneak into the U.S.. I feel sorry for illegals, but they have broken the U.S. laws just by coming here illegally. Why do we call them Illegal Immigrants? There is only Legal Immigrants.
By Jeff, October 26 at 8:04 am #
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Mexicans come to the US because they have no other choices. Why don’t Canadians flood to the US border even though they do not need any visa because they have all the basic necessities, but many surrounding countries don’t like mexico and Haiti and I think that the US is partly in responsible for their miserable situation. As long as those countries are suffering, we will always see a high rate of illegal immigrants in the US.
Report thisBut if we help them get their country back on track without expecting any financial return on our investment, we will be able to better solve the complicated immigration problem. But usually the US only address a problem when they see some financial advantages that they can gain from it.
By Marty G., October 26 at 7:12 am #
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Russians are Europeans and part of the West? Really?
Cosa Nosrtra (“Italian Mafia”) is a ‘street gang’? They number in the thousands across American cities and commit daily murders and assaults of other gang members and civilians wearing the wrong ‘colors’? Do you seem them out recruiting school kids and
flashing gang signs in the streets where you are?
Frank is dead on. It’s your rant that is imaginary
Report thisBy Richard, October 25 at 7:37 pm #
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I don’t have a problem with Dobbs’ position on immigration per se…I have a problem with the tone of the rhetoric and the fact that, whether intended or not, it contributes to a racist and xenophobic overtone to the whole debate. There are many good reasons to control our borders without playing into the demonization of those who came here looking for jobs. So there you have it—I’m a vehemently anti-racist moderate liberal married into a Mexican-American family who believes in strengthened border control. The no-borders pro-immigration crowd is wrong because they have no sense of law or an orderly process of legal immigration. Most of all the employers looking for cheap, exploitable labor are to blame. Crack down on the employers and enforce e-verify requirements for those with suspicious documents!
On the other hand, I do have a problem with Dobbs’ playing up to “birther” conspiracies. Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii and is the legitimately elected president. In this matter, Dobbs is totally off his rocker and CNN should dump him.
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Frank, October 25 at 6:21 pm #
Glider, the ‘spigot’ of European immigrants has never been turned off, nor would it have been in the fantasy I was speaking of. Generation after generation of white Europeans came here lawfully, integrated, became fully American, and made the country stronger. They still do today. They share thousands of years of common genetic and cultural heritage with us.
They don’t join street gangs by the thousands or commit crimes against Americans at staggering levels.
Yeah the Italian Mafia, the Irish Mafia, the Russian Mafia, all figments of law enforcements imagination. Just as any semblance of fact in your rant is imaginary.
Report thisBy fred1234, October 25 at 7:05 pm #
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Frank,
Hardly anyone else has put the topic of excessive immigration coupled with the psychotic leftist “cultural revolution” toward Europeans so concisely and our future so accurately. This generation of the last true Americans really has a rendezvous with destiny.
Of course, silencing any dissenting voices like Dobbs is essential to the revolution.
Indeed, SaveTheTenth, we can snuff Saddam and his boys and grind Afgans into the dust but we can’t straighten out the shockingly corrupt country on our southern border. The Media won’t even allow a conversation on it.
Report thisBy Frank, October 25 at 6:21 pm #
Glider, the ‘spigot’ of European immigrants has never been turned off, nor would it have been in the fantasy I was speaking of. Generation after generation of white Europeans came here lawfully, integrated, became fully American, and made the country stronger. They still do today. They share thousands of years of common genetic and cultural heritage with us.
They don’t join street gangs by the thousands or commit crimes against Americans at staggering levels. They don’t form race-based special interest groups to demand special concessions like affirmative action or the creation of government agencies that cater specifically to their native language and culture. They don’t leach off the hard working taxpayers of the country while at the same time demonizing whites and ‘racism’ for their own failures as a people. They don’t demand that history be rewritten and classroom curriculums be changed to suit them, including a heavy dose of guilt-tripping for white children. They don’t drag us down, down, down towards third-world nation status.
No, European immigrants were and continue to be a benefit. America would undeniable be a far more prosperous and harmonious place to
live with all the crime, the racial tension, and economically debilitating social
welfare system that has has resulted from the presence of non-European
peoples in the country, particularly in the last few decades.
The nation will continue to slowly decline but may hold together as long as whites maintain a majority. When whites pass into minority status in the next 30-35 years and are no longer the dominant political or cultural force in the nation they created, the collapse and fracture of the once-great United States of America will be swift, bloody, and final.
Report thisBy P. T., October 25 at 4:37 pm #
“I support legal immigration (not necessarily increased immigration), and in no way does that equal favoring cheap labor.”
Report thisI get it. You support the cause, just not the effect.
By glider, October 25 at 3:43 pm #
Frank,
You are guilty of creating a fantasy world where the immigration spigot of uneducated European hoards was turned off just after your ancestors arrived and executed on their “manifest destiny”. It is always a safe argument to create a fantasy as there is nothing to refute that such a fantasy would not be possible. But it is neither here nor there as it is not our reality. Your fantasy is more about creating support for your deep seated racism.
I will grant you that there are generally less social issues to deal with in homogeneous populations such as Japan, Sweden, and China. Your productivity argument is far less convincing. The USA in its heyday was a heterogeneous population and was arguably more productive than those homogeneous societies (although I would contend that is not the best endpoint to achieve a high quality life). As far as parasites in our society goes I would put elite white European dominated banksters, and the corporate-polictical whores that are explioting our resources to amass fortunes for socially bankrupt endeavours at the top of that list now. But that does not fit your racist fantasy too well does it?
Report thisBy KISS, October 25 at 1:43 pm #
Let me see, the repugs want to stop Rachel Maddow and Kieth Olbermann from having access to the airwaves because of their abuse of free speech. On the other hand the dimmos want to end the free speech of Lou Dobbs and Bill O’Reilly for the same reason.
Report thisSure glad these two party wackos aren’t close to being in charge of the FCC.
Too bad the the liberals can’t see the 2 class system is a coming event for Amerika just like Mexico.
By Frank, October 25 at 1:12 pm #
America would be far more prosperous today if slavery had never happened and non-European immigrants had never been allowed in this country. The costs of the US civil war and all of the gargantuan social spending programs since the civil rights movement have far outstripped any financial gains that America got from slavery.
The fantasy that American prosperity is dependent on having racial minorities
here so we can oppress them is one of the stupidest, most delusional
propositions to ever gain acceptance among the left in this country. The reality is that those countries rated as the most prosperous and the ‘best places to live’ are also the most racially homogenous.
Seriously, does anyone really believe that having hoards of less educated, less productive, crime-prone minorities in our country who are essentially parasites living off of America’s social systems is a ‘privilege’ ? More like a national burden and a curse. Multiculturalism and integration are an abysmal failure both here and in Europe and will end up dragging America down to the standards of all the failed countries that the immigrants came from.
Report thisBy glider, October 25 at 12:42 pm #
FatFreddy,
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By sharonsj, October 25 at 10:30 am #
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“Actually, Lou Dobbs supports increased legal immigration, indicating that he shares the economic elite’s view favoring cheap labor.”
Sorry, but this comment is illogical, as Spock would say. I support legal immigration (not necessarily increased immigration), and in no way does that equal favoring cheap labor. You need to go back to school.
Also, Dobbs rails against illegal aliens, not immigrants. There is quite a difference between the two. Can no one speak English anymore? Oops, are some of you trolls going to claim this means I am biased?
Report thisBy Michael Calder, October 25 at 9:40 am #
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There are 700,000 students in the Los Angeles Unified School District. Only ten percent are caucasian. Seventy percent are hispanic. There is a corresponding fifty percent drop out rate. You can’t go to a park or the beach or to the grocery store without being inundated with mexicans. All because of illegal immigration. Come visit LA and see what your towns and schools will soon look like. Then remember Lou Dobbs warned us.
Report thisBy ardee, October 25 at 8:31 am #
If people really wanted to “help” Mexicans wouldn’t they focus on reforming a corrupt government? Then those people that were just trying to feed their families wouldn’t have to travel so far.
I agree with SaveTheTenth that reforming a corrupt govt. would certainly assist Mexico’s economic plight. The govt in need of reform, of course, is our own. The one that abets the actions of our multinational corporations that ruined the Mexican economy in the first place.
Mexicans could work to end corruption in their own nation while we address the ills of ours.
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Report thisBy Fat Freddy, October 25 at 5:59 am #
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Report thisBy Walter L. Tayes, October 25 at 4:28 am #
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The only ones to be blamed for Lou Dobbs and people like him are Hispanics in general, but mainly Mexicans!! and Spanish-language TV and Radio!
When prop. 187 passed in the mid 90’s, Latinos marched on the streets of L.A. waving Mexican Flags and some even burned American flags.
Prop. 187 was horrible, but carrying and waving foreign flags to demand respect was in itself ironic, because it disrespected the American people and their flag, this upseted many Americans, specially Conservatives(can you say Dobbs?”), who have a tremendous respect and love for this country!!
In the mid 2000’s the Spanish-language channel 62 put up a billboard that read: “transmitting from Los Angeles, Mexico!” They crossed the word “CA” and replaced it with the word “Mexico.!!”
see the billboard here: http://www.starman417.com/mexicobillboard.jpg
In the eyes of many Americans, the sea of Mexican flags in downtown L.A. represented a Mexican invasion, and changing “Los Angeles, CA” to “Los Angeles, Mexico” was a declaration of victory from Mexicans.
In the mid 90’s, Spanish-language radio station 105.5 FM “La Que Buena,” advertised their station by saying “we only use radio hosts and singers who are 100% Mexicans!!”
These were clearly racist comments which are now coming back to bite them in the ass!! in the voice of Lou Dobbs and delikes!!
In 2009 California Latino politician Gil Cedillo told Spanish Newspaper La Opinion that “the skin color of voters” was going to help him win the 32nd congressional district seat.
Many Latinos are running around descriminating and disrespecting everything and everybody with no one to hold them accountable for their actions!! and now they are surprise with Lou Dobbs??!!
They forgot to “smell the cheese!!”
Lou Dobbs is a monster to many latino organizations, but a monster they have created themselves, not by asking him to be a monster, but instead by turning a blind eye or a deaf ear to the unaceptable behavior of latinos with power!!
Like Mr. Jeremy Wright would say “American (Latino) Chickens are coming home….to roost!!”
Los Latinos tanto que mencionan al presidente Mexicano quien hiso famoso el dicho de “el respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz!”
Es hora que empiezen a practicar lo que predican…“el respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz!!!!!!!” hay que empezar respetando todo y a todos no nada mas lo que nos conviene!!
llorones!!!
Walter L. Tayes
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By paul bass, October 25 at 12:32 am #
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maybe we should be addressing the far more important topic of why people are watching CNN?
Report thisBy Carl, October 24 at 11:34 pm #
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Billionaires enjoy a good laugh when insecure “progressives” support their effort to destroy unions and push down wages by flooding the nation with cheap labor from abroad.
Report thisBy ChaoticGood, October 24 at 10:32 pm #
A really funny musical is named “A funny thing happened on the way to the forum”. There is a song in the musical entitled “Everyone ought to own a slave”.
Report thisThe priviledged Americans have always had slaves, indentured servants, immigrants (legal and otherwise). America’s prosperity has always depended on cheap labor.
We need a formal program to keep cheap labor available or our rich people will not be rich anymore and that would be a terrible thing to witness.
I just don’t think I could stand it if the elite had to do something productive unless you think owning something is “productive”.
Lou Dobbs is just defending the American dream as perverted as it is.
By glider, October 24 at 10:00 pm #
P.T.
Report thisDoes that mean that illegal immigration has nothing to do with the economic elite exploiting cheap labor? I am a bit confused about your point.
By P. T., October 24 at 9:48 pm #
Actually, Lou Dobbs supports increased legal immigration, indicating that he shares the economic elite’s view favoring cheap labor.
Report thisBy glider, October 24 at 9:35 pm #
SaveTheTenth,
“I’m thinking about leaving the US, anyone know of any countries that would let me walk across the border?”
(sorry, my typo correction):
Do you ever travel? Last time I checked a U.S. passport will get you into virtually any country in the world without question. The USA is one of the most difficult countries in the world to get into if you are from a poor country, or unless you happen to buy into Dobbesque bullshit. I guess it is the “walk” part you object to right? Which means the person in question does not have much money and is coming here to bust their ass for below minimum wage and no health benefits to support their loved ones back home. They are guilty of occupying a niche available here for cheap exploitation driven labor. A truly disgusting breed of people that we need to round up and send back to their filthy hole, right?
Report thisBy glider, October 24 at 9:22 pm #
SaveTheTenth,
“I’m thinking about leaving the US, anyone know of any countries that would let me walk across the border?”
Do you ever travel? Last time I checked a U.S. passport will get you into virtually any country in the world without question. The USA is one of the most difficult countries in the world to get into if you are from a poor country, or listen to Dobby Boy. I guess it is the “walk” part you object to right? Which means the person in question does not have much money and you are coming here to bust their ass for below minimum wage and no health benefits to support your loved ones back home. A truly disgusting breed of people that we need to round up and send back to their filthy hole, right?
Report thisBy glider, October 24 at 9:11 pm #
SaveTheTenth,
Yes that is an interesting feature about the psyche of little Dobby boy, as you point out. However, by the same token many slave owners must not of been racist, since they chose to impregnate their negro slave “bitches” right?
Report thisBy gerard, October 24 at 8:02 pm #
But you forget: We stole California from Mexico some years ago and pushed them back where they belong. A few people saw it as stealing, but most people thought it was America’s “manifest destiny.” It was a “fine little war” in which practically nobody of any stature was killed.
Report thisBut because they just won’t stay down there we have to build a couple thousand miles of walls and hire a large contingency of armed police to harry them and their kids if they succeed in sneaking through by hook or crook. Many of them end up in highly over-priced private “detention centers” and nobody cares enough to stop mistreatment, separation of children from parents, and general mean-spirited abuse in those places.
Some of them are citizens, or on the way to becoming citizens, but never mind—they are not “as good as” we are. And who are we? People—every one of us—whose parents or grandparents came here from some other country as immigrants. So it’s all just a question of timing.
Oh, and yes—the original owners from whom we stole the rest of this country are confined to “reservations” characterized by open country where there are no jobs and no food. They, too, are “not as good as we are.” Wow! Aren’t we great!
By glider, October 24 at 7:52 pm #
Hey WackJob,
Report thisThat goes for your selfish racist ass too! I got mine so f**k the brown faces whom your ancestors cleared out of here right? Is Jesus on your side too? Your an ignorant moron.
By SaveTheTenth, October 24 at 7:27 pm #
Wow. Someone needs to tell his wife (and his 4 kids) about this “racism” *immediately*!
This is truly serious.
Because his wife is Debi Lee Segura, a Mexican-American. And his 4 kids are half Mexican-American. Yikes, imagine their surprise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Dobbs
I’m thinking about leaving the US, anyone know of any countries that would let me walk across the border? I hear Mexico isn’t that friendly towards folks that show up unannounced. And since I don’t have 700k Canada doesn’t want me either.
I guess the difference between Immigrant and Illegal Immigrant are difficult to understand. At least that’s what I told my good friend Charlie, who jumped through many hoops to legally Immigrate from Hungary.
I hear a very few (like 12 or 15) families basically “control” all of Mexico, a huge piece of Real Estate with minerals, seas on both sides, fantastic weather etc.
If people really wanted to “help” Mexicans wouldn’t they focus on reforming a corrupt government? Then those people that were just trying to feed their families wouldn’t have to travel so far.
Report thisBy glider, October 24 at 6:51 pm #
I wish this asshole had to spend one day digging ditches and picking produce in the fields and then tell us how Mexican immigrants are taking advantage of the American system, after we Europeans (including Dobbs) slaughtered millions of the real Native Americans. But hey might makes right in the good ole US of A. And Lou Dobbs is surely a righteous Christian so how can he be wrong?
Report thisBy LonewackoDotCom, October 24 at 5:06 pm #
They aren’t really “pro-immigration groups”, now are they? They’re far-left racial power groups seeking more power for themselves, no matter how they try to dress it up.
As for the NYT article, they didn’t approve a comment I left with background information on Isabel Garcia. It’s not hard to figure out why, just follow the money.
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