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Senate Votes in Favor of Expanded Hate-Crime Measure

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Posted on Oct 22, 2009
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The brutal killing of gay Wyoming college student Matthew Shepard (pictured) 11 years ago sparked a concentrated push for the kind of hate-crime legislation the Senate passed Thursday. 

President Barack Obama represents the final stop for a measure, passed by the Senate on Thursday, that would expand the definition of hate crimes to include “those committed because of a victim’s gender or gender identity, sexual orientation or disability,” as The New York Times put it. Obama is expected to approve the legislation.

The New York Times:

Supporters of the legislation argued that it would deter those tempted to attack people out of bigotry, and that extra protections for those victimized because of their sexuality were needed because such crimes have been on the rise.

Opponents argued to no avail that the new measure was unnecessary in view of existing laws and might interfere with local law enforcement agencies. Senator Jim DeMint, Republican of South Carolina, said he agreed that hate crimes were terrible. “That’s why they are already illegal,” he said, asserting that the new law was a dangerous, even “Orwellian” step toward “thought crime.”

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By cary, October 23, 2009 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment
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What most people don’t know is that returning military members were included in this bill also. Apparently some violent Americans have targeted them for doing their job.  This subgroup of people needed extra protection also and I have not heard of one conservative group wanting to take these protections back. Nor should they.  The breakdown of hate crimes according to the FBI says more than half of reported hate crimes are motivated by racial bias.  Next most frequent are crimes based on religious bias, at around 18 percent, and sexual orientation, at 16 percent.
To Dee: You over exaggerate the gay populations political clout to censure the bible.  It won’t happen.  However the bible has done a beautiful and competent job for 2000 years of censuring the gay population.  Churchgoers who think that they are the new victims in society have an incredibly healthy imagination.

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By rita, October 23, 2009 at 8:19 am Link to this comment
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This law will probably not stick.  Gays are accustomed to being thrown around like a political football.  We are the step-children no one wants to claim.  We don’t need hate-crime legislation.  We need protections from the Congress of the United States of American.  Other western countries don’t understand our misgivings about gay people.  They have conservatives, but they don’t have Republicans.  I can see their confusion.

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By Chuck, October 23, 2009 at 7:57 am Link to this comment
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It is funny to listen to the arguments of those who are clearly opposed to this legislation.  This is not about legislating thinking.  Most idiots who commit hate crimes have a nasty little habit of yelling slurs against the person that they are beating.  So, I’m guessing that with witnesses,cameras and victim testimony most of these crimes will be quickly figured out to be hate crimes.  Some of these idiots even have a criminal history with some common threads to draw upon to support the victims accusations.  I personally don’t see the problem in jailing large numbers of preachers for lifelong slander against minorities.  We want to do it to Islamic imams, so why not here also.  They are the ones who have directly affected large numbers of haters across the globe to participate in violence.  They are the ones offering immortality.  It is hard for police departments to compete with promises of virgins and wings.  They are the ones who have convinced educated lawmakers to deny gays their inalienable rights and inherent worth and push them to the side like an unwanted minority from Iraq.

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By the tshirt doctor, October 23, 2009 at 5:18 am Link to this comment

i really hate those people who don’t want me to hate them.

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By Dee, October 23, 2009 at 5:04 am Link to this comment
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The very words “Hate Crime’ appear to infringe on our freedom. How do you
measure hate? I still have yet to see the actual numbers of people killed for being
gay compared to women killed by domestic violence. I’m sick of homosexuals
getting special treatment while they destroy anyone who disagrees with them.

Perhaps I can cry “Hate Crime” when homosexuals try to censor the Bible? Oh yea,
it’s already against the law in Canada to read a specific chapter of Romans over
the airwaves. When I think of the people who have lost high profile jobs because
they are labeled ‘homophobic,’ I tend to think that we are going in the wrong
direction. The apologizing and the simpering is ridiculous!

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By Bill, October 23, 2009 at 4:20 am Link to this comment
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Stupid politicians pandering to a bunch of deviants.  Any idiot can figure that if you kill someone you must also hate them so why the federal offense.  Now every fight that starts and in the heat of it if someone is called a fag or doughnut bumper it will be a Federal offense.  This is Congress being lame at its best.  This will probably increase the violence.

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By Patriot, October 23, 2009 at 2:30 am Link to this comment
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Chaotic Good- I see that you express what many on the far left have as the bill was written.  This bill was written in a way that can in fact infringe on free speech based on morality.  What I mean is that this is the beginning of the ability of government to take away the ability of not only preachers but also parents to instill a morality based on biblical and religious beliefs.  Please not that I included religious beliefs and should include cultural beliefs.

The primary reason this bill was passed because those with an agenda slipped it into a defense bill geared at giving our troops what they needed forcing approval, rather than allowing public discussion and understanding of the bill and its implications in the light of day.

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By Thomas Dooley, October 22, 2009 at 11:37 pm Link to this comment

ChaoticGood says: “Maybe this will stop the hate filled preachers from spewing their venom.”

Why should it? Is there some language in the legislation that address preachers or the content of their sermons? Would it be advantageous to have the government specify what it thinks is acceptable content in a sermon? This legislation has nothing do with preachers or sermons, nothing at all. That is neither the law’s purpose nor its intent. It proposes increased punishment base upon an evaluation of the perpetrator’s hate, not especially for the victim, but for specific groups narrowly named in the legislation.

As far as I’m aware the proposed law allows government prosecutors to label some behaviors as hate crimes carrying extra punishment thereby giving them more power to force a defendant to accept a worse plea.

How is this a law against preacher’s sermons? I would suppose if the government wanted to write a law that regulated preachers sermons it would do so. This is not such a law. This law provides for increased punishment. I’m not certain why (or if) conservatives would oppose it. They generally love calls for more punishment.

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By ChaoticGood, October 22, 2009 at 10:26 pm Link to this comment

All the preachers out there telling their “flocks” about how homosexuality is an abomination in Gods eyes had better look out.  If one of their lay people takes them seriously, then the real meaning of the Hate Crime legislation will become all too painful.
Maybe this will stop the hate filled preachers from spewing their venom.

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By Thomas Dooley, October 22, 2009 at 9:14 pm Link to this comment

Hate crimes, huh? How about love crimes? Women are harmed by them all the time. Maybe there should be a law against indifference crimes. After all it must be the pinnacle of inhumanity to be beaten or killed by a person who has no feelings at all.

I’m not certain that reading a person’s mind to discover whether they were hating or loving or feeling indifferent during the time they were beating or killing another person is possible or even useful in any way. It’s the beating and killing part that is important.

As far as I’m concerned it’s a free country and you can hate or love or feel indifferent to anyone you want for any reason you want, stupid or not. It’s the causing harm that you can’t do. You know, the beating or killing or any other harm you can dream up. Think whatever stupid crap you want but keep your hands to yourself. As far as thoughts go, if a person hates people because of race or because they are gay they should keep that to themselves just so the rest of us aren’t forced listen to the stupidity.

So it is entirely right to have laws that prevent harm as we do. Making laws that dish out extra punishment for what a government official guesses a person may have been thinking … well. And who the hell cares? The harm, the beating or killing is enough for us to form a real low opinion of the person and mete out the appropriate punishment for those acts.

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