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Real Talk on Health Reform

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Posted on Oct 17, 2009
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Although Americans want health care reform, the big insurers are gearing up for “one last fight to save the status quo,” President Obama said.

President Barack Obama has finally put into words what everyone already knows: that insurance companies are “deceptive and dishonest” in their efforts to kill any semblance of health care reform, no matter the cost. Now let’s see if he does anything with this knowledge.  —JCL

Reuters:

U.S. President Barack Obama lashed out on Saturday against the “deceptive and dishonest” efforts of health insurance companies, who he said are trying to kill healthcare reform, no matter the cost to the country.

Sharpening his attack on insurers, Obama also signaled support for a congressional review of the insurance industry’s long-standing exemption from federal anti-trust laws. Some Democrats want the privilege repealed.

The Democratic president’s push to revamp the $2.5 trillion U.S. healthcare industry, his top domestic policy priority, received a big boost this week when the Senate Finance Committee approved its version of a reform measure with the support of Republican Senator Olympia Snowe.

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By Outraged, October 18, 2009 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment

Re: KDelphi

Your comment: “Attacking people that criticize Obama or the Dems has to stop. Well, it doesnt have to, but, if it dosent , you guys will lose big tiem in 2010. 1994—repeat—2010—repeat—over and over and over and over.”

For ease, I’ll consider each of your points separately.  You say, “Attacking people that criticize Obama or the Dems has to stop.”  I find it disconcerting that you would claim as much.  I didn’t hear you claiming any thing of the sort when people who SUPPORT Pres. Obama were being “attacked” as you say.  Rather… I recall you measuring out a bit of that yourself, specifically toward moi.  I think your stance just a bit hypocritical.

“Well, it doesnt have to, but, if it dosent , you guys will lose big tiem in 2010. 1994—repeat—2010—repeat—over and over and over and over.”

Sounds threatening.  Who are “you guys”...? You know the “ones that will lose big time in 2010”?

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By @CT, October 18, 2009 at 4:21 pm Link to this comment

Lead-Balloon Boy’s back in the attic:

Jarrett: Obama Won’t Demand Public Option
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/jarrett-obama-wont-demand-public-option.php

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By chrisx, October 18, 2009 at 11:01 am Link to this comment
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Yes, let’s see “if he does anything with this knowledge.” other than speech making. Let’s hope this does not end up like majority of his efforts (or non-efforts?) , all talk no action.

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By Leefeller, October 18, 2009 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

Howard your comment “The “public option” is an option” yes it is, but it is not allowed in the room, because it does not proved easy money for special interests, social security case in point! Anything with public on it will be labeled socialist, ignorant masses seem to have sways taken the bate against their own interests. 

Fox news tells them to jump and they ask how far, as they peer over the cliff!

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By Howard, October 18, 2009 at 7:48 am Link to this comment

Yes, yes, yes;  get RID of insurance companies.  They take the bulk of every dollar spent in the health fields.
  The “public option” is an option, for goodness sake.  An option.  Not a madate. It will work. Best for all in the end.
  Obama was for it initially.  He faded when no-nothing Republicans were againstit.  Hint; they are opposed to all of it.  They offer nothing, absolutely nothing.  But criticism.

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By Old Geezer Pilot, October 18, 2009 at 7:26 am Link to this comment

“Obama’s health care plan shall be written by a
committee whose head says he doesn’t understand it,
passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it, signed by a
president who smokes, funded by a treasury chief who
did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general
who is overweight and financed by a country that is
broke.” - SaveTheTenth

After I stopped laughing, I had to add: And to cover
a population which is obese from the “fast-food” diet
which is subsidized by that bankrupt country to
provide cheap, calorie bombs, which will lead to
costly diabetes later on in life.

Keeps getting funnier. You can’t make this stuff up.

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By Leefeller, October 18, 2009 at 6:42 am Link to this comment

SaveTheTenth, thanks for the link.  “Kabuki theater at its finest, Ladies and Gentlemen” politics as usual I would say.  Single payer works for me, but not for wall street!

Posturing in politics reminds one of a sloth taking it’s nap.

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By SaveTheTenth, October 18, 2009 at 12:05 am Link to this comment

Let me get this straight.

Obama’s health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it, signed by a president who smokes, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is broke.

Now, we’re supposed to believe that Health insurance companies, who will magically gain >40 million new “customers” under a mandate that Obama opposed while running for election, are the new enemy. If Obama was so convinced of this why would he have listened to them (in closed door meetings no less-there’s change you can believe in) and stood by while Docs and Nurses were arrested by Baucus thugs for daring to speak out about single payer.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/national_nurses_movement/2009/05/breaking-5-more-rns-mds-arrest.php

Kabuki theater at its finest, Ladies and Gentlemen

It’s no wonder we’re ruled by thieves and gangsters. We deserve it.

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By KDelphi, October 17, 2009 at 10:51 pm Link to this comment

Attacking people that criticize Obama or the Dems has to stop. Well, it doesnt have to, but, if it dosent , you guys will lose big tiem in 2010. 1994—repeat—2010—repeat—over and over and over and over.

I know that most have not had the shit hit them yet—but, if we have the weak “reforms’ of Rep Frank, Pres. Obama , Sen BaucASS—you will, unforutunately, join us dispossessed ( I think Chris Hedges called it “disposed”?) soon.

We all know what the GOP has done to this country, but, it is time to stop blaming them and see who is in the majority now. At least teh GOP will tel you that they dont give a rat’s ass. I dont need someone to “feel my pain”—we need action and we are not getting it from the Dems.

This health care bill (the Senate Finance Sub) is just AWFUL—and even neo-liberal pundits think so. It leaves to omany out, charges teh middle class Union plans for so-called Cadillac plans that they have given up wages for for decades, hell, they dont even want to repeal the tax cuts. Its just bullshit.

I know that they will expire, but, why wait?? (well, we know why)We need reveneue, maybe a ‘war’ tax. If the rich arent going to fight it, the least they can do is PAY. The tax on the upper 2% was about right, before JFK lowered it dramatically. The fall of the “middle class” began there.

But Dems dont want to hear it, so they will lose again. For hating the GOP so much, Dems sure act a helluva lot like them. BaucASS and others are not ONE BIT better than GOP, and, teh Blue Dogs are actually worse than some. They got alot more money from the death insurance industry than GOP did. Whic is the party of the working classes? Neither one.

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By Outraged, October 17, 2009 at 10:30 pm Link to this comment

Re: TheHandyman

Your comment: ”@ct why don’t you come back when you quit reading all the right wing trash. You aren’t smart enough to figure out that after 40 years of being in control and seeing what that 40 years has done to this country you want more of the same. If your brains were gunpowder, you wouldn’t have enough to blow the ass of an ant!”

I’ll second that.

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By TheHandyman, October 17, 2009 at 6:43 pm Link to this comment

@ct why don’t you come back when you quit reading all the right wing trash. You aren’t smart enough to figure out that after 40 years of being in control and seeing what that 40 years has done to this country you want more of the same. If your brains were gunpowder, you wouldn’t have enough to blow the ass of an ant!

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By Leefeller, October 17, 2009 at 6:10 pm Link to this comment

Arm chair politicians seem to be so much more in the know of everything than the real thing! Now all we need do is define the real thing.

How does one in Congress ignore the bribes and graft without really ignoring the bribes and graft?  Bet, the arm chairs couldn’t figure that one out. 

Politics may be like making scrambled eggs,  one cannot make scrambled eggs without adding some pork or it sticks in the throat.

Wine and dine does not mean crying in ones wine or is there a new meaning to whiner?

If the right wing discounts everything Obama supports and says, this means some on the left are right and the right is right?

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By ardee, October 17, 2009 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

Despite the criticisms of our new right wing mouth organ Medicare is an effective and inexpensive provider of health care. It operates at a 3% overhead and I dare any provider out there to match that figure.

Any problems with said provider stem from the GOP’s attempts to kill it as they attempt to kill govt., by starvation. Were the aims and ambitions of the right wing noble at all they would not find the need to lie and distort with every breath.

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By @CT, October 17, 2009 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment

KDelphi writes:
“Its just astounding to me that the Dems are even considering passing this dog of a bill.”

Maybe He should “reform” health care in Afghanistan first, and see how THAT goes ...

“Obama’s health care policy indicates that among those “excesses of the 1960” were Medicare and Medicaid. This guy means Business. Working people, take cover. If current policy stays on track, Obama will have hurt more regular folks where it hurts the most and over a longer period of time, than any president in the history of the republic ... But the Left sits on its ass and thereby incurs some responsibility for the current catastrophe.”

New Deal Liberalism Writes Its Obituary (Alan Nasser)
http://snipurl.com/skmj2 (scroll down to article)

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By Don Knutsen, October 17, 2009 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment
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I was going to say, that replacing the democrat ( Sen. Baccus )of Montana would be a start given his connections to the industry were trying to get a handle on. But then, Pres. Obabma dwarfed McCain and the rest in contributions leading up to his election. Its hard to believe that theres a chance of a politician doing whats right for the middle class and poor of this country ( the vast majority )...It hasn’t happened in so long. But the fact that he’s finally said it at all, is a good thing. We are all seeing what a full fledged corporate state looks like. And the folks we elected to protect us from that are the grease between the gears.

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By KDelphi, October 17, 2009 at 1:57 pm Link to this comment

one guy is still in jail in LA. Help bail him out.

http://mobilizeforhealthcare.org/2009/10/03/nyc-sitin-aetna/?itemid=4

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By Leefeller, October 17, 2009 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

Anyone remember a real crappy movie named the “Tingler”?  Well, it was about a spine breaking creature, so all the Tingler’s out their may be loosing their Tingle grip on Obama and the Dems?

Well. if Obama and the Dems finally shove it up the insurance companies and Republicans arises, for the Tinger’s it will always be a question of how far?

Moral is never try to satisfy a Tinger, it is a waste of time!

After reading this, it sort of sounds like ThomasG without the caps and bolds!

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By Bud, October 17, 2009 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment
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The McCarran/Ferguson act of 1945 has to be repealed.This archaic piece of legislation exempting the deathcare industry from the Sherman anti trust laws has enabled these immoral bastards to prey on the misfortune of the ill,and the infirm.The imbecilic republican senators have no intention of co-operating with a BLACK PRESIDENT!!INVOKE RECONCILIATION NOW!!!FIFTY one votes is all that’s needed.

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By KDelphi, October 17, 2009 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment

Snowe is just what ‘health care reform” does not need. She only slanted teh bil Rightward, blah, blah.

The death insurance industry spen $7.5 million this quarter to defeat any type of reform. The “supported” BaucASS’ bill, only to withdraw it out of concern that they wouldnt be able to make enough money..

Its just astounding to me that the Dems are even considering passing this dog of a bill. If Obama signs this , without even a “public option” (makes no diff to me—at the rate its going, it wouldnt change anything or would make it worse), his domestic policy will be a total failure.

Even with another $250 to the elderly (Jeez! Why do you guys keep thinking this shit wil work—this time??!!)

Why so little coverage of the civil disobedience on the 25th in 9 major cities? Never mind…

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By wanked, October 17, 2009 at 11:09 am Link to this comment
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What does obummer ever do with the knowledge he has? NADA.

Ralph Nader was correct in calling him a frightened man in a recent interview.

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By ardee, October 17, 2009 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

Gee, who knew? Insurance companies were spending money like water to defeat any and all health care reform? Imagine that. I figure that Barack Obama was changing the liner in his birdcage and happened to read an old headline in the paper he removed.

Way to stay both in touch and out front Mr. President. Perhaps, had you been the leader you were elected to be, that you promised to be, instead of farming off responsibility to a Congress in which your own party was seriously divided over this very issue, this might have made a bit of progress….Now we are down to what, five or six competing bills?
A ‘Public option’ is mentioned frequently but not defined and single payer is declared dead with a sheet over the corpse.

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