Andress, September 29 at 4:19 pm

I wondered if you guys in your cubicles would have the nerve to defend your coup. I applaud your guts but deplore your complete distortion of the facts.

Zelaya offered a non binding vote to determine the wishes of the population. The wealthiest Hondurans, scared of his links to Chavez,who is no dictator you propagandist tool, having won over 60% of the vote in three elections, had the military kidnap him, put him on a plane in his pajamas and ship him off to Costa Rica.

Only a tool of the far right would dare to distort those events and claim a democratic action took place. Recently, your “democratic govt.” had the Brazilian embassy gassed, another proof of the ridiculous claims you make here.

Zelaya was in the process of running roughshod over the constitution and the democratic institutions of Honduras (Congress, the Supreme Court, and the Attorney General) with the support of Venezuela’s dictator.

Zelaya used force to lead a mob in the storming of the military base to take the ballot equipment to conduct (using ballots flown in by Hugo Chavez) an illegal plebiscite in an attempt at remaining in power beyond his constitutionally limited single term as president.  He did this after the Congress and the Supreme Court ruled against him in his power grab.  The Attorney General declared that anyone helping Zelaya in his unconstitutional efforts would be breaking the law.

After the Supreme Court, Congress, and the Attorney General made their pronouncements, Zelaya flouted the “checks and balances” that were being lawfully imposed on him by the other branches of government.

His actions were so egregiously unlawful and showed such blatant disregard for the rest of the government that the legality of his ouster was beyond doubt.  The only question was whether to remove him from office through impeachment proceedings or through summary ejection from the country.  The latter was decided upon in order to prevent bloodshed.

The government today is the same one that was in place prior to Zelaya’s ouster (sans Zelaya, of course).  It is a civilian government composed of the same democratically elected congress, the same lawfully constituted Supreme Court, the same lawfully appointed Attorney General, and a new president duly appointed through the extant laws of succession.

The army is following the orders of the civilian goverment.

Honduras’s democracy had every right to defend itself against the tyrannical attack it was being subjected to by Zelaya and Chavez.

If it were Uribe who was in the same situation as Zelaya, you Zelaya supporters would all be defending the Congress and the Supreme court against Uribe.  Your defense of Zelaya is based entirely on your sharing the same ideology with him, and not one bit on the legality of actions taken (either by Zelaya or by the other players).

It doesn’t much matter who you vote for.  the Bushites initiated a political revolution in the US which is not acknowledged in the US learned and mass media. It increases the power of the White House to rule despontically without legal constraints. With 200,ooo SECRET agents aside from the military, police and mercenary gunmen.  It is the modern equivelent of the transformation of the Roman republic to the military dictatorship of the emperors.

Obama is a bookend to Bush.  His function is to emit the inspiring bullshit that reconciles the Dems to a neoliberal police state.  He is continuing the policies of Bush and intessifying them, as noted by the shutting down Pittsburgh with black clad gunmen.  the question is whether Latin america and the people of Honduras are strong enough to fight the US, Colombia and the Honduras coup.

In the US, the American people have been so dispowered that parties are no longer relevant. Economic and political inequality has reached the point where it can only be defended by violence and irrationality.  What is needed is a movment of the American people against the American power structure.  and this cannot be mounted without the american population devleoping their own media.

And .... clearly the lesson here is the following.

If you don’t like the immoral US foreign policy where we support repressive military regimes around the world, then VOTING DEMOCRAT IS NOT THE ANSWER.

If you really want change, you have to vote for someone different.  Continuing to vote for the same corporate-funded candidates is not the answer.  Voting Democrat is not the answer. 

Anyone who votes Democrat in the next election is expressing their support for the violent and repressive coupsters who’ve been torturing and killing their own citizens.  That’s the Democratic policy. And if you vote Democrat, you are expressing your support for this policy.

From the linked article ....
“Anselem said the U.S. government will continue to urge both sides to quickly reach agreement under the San Jose accord proposed by Costa Rican President Oscar Arias, which calls for Zelaya to return to office to finish his term ending in January.”

And of course, what the US would really like is for this return to happen on Dec 31.  That way, Zelaya could claim to return for one day, then be removed from office anyways as his term expires.

The US has obviously been playing a ‘run-out-the-clock’ strategy AGAINST Zelaya this whole time.

The Obama Administration is supporting the coup regime.  Watch Actions, don’t listen to words.

Oh, they’ve said some pretty words against the coup.  But watch the actions instead.

The coupsters were funded by the US. The usual line of payments from the “National Endowment for Democracy” has been traced.  This started under the Bush administration, and continued under Obama.

There is no doubt that the coupsters would not have acted without some reassurances from the US gov or military.

After the coup, the US government has worked to make sure the coupsters hold on power is not reversed.  They take the phony position of supporting Zelaya with rhetoric.  But, when you look at their actions, every single one is designed to help keep the coupsters in power and Zelaya out of the country.

Everytime Zelaya has threatened or attempted to enter the country, the US has opposed it.  The US has set up useless talks that go nowhere.  And the US has applied no pressure on its wholly-owned subsidiary (aka Honduras) to make the talks progress.

The US has still officially refused to call this a coup.  This means there is no official cut-off of aid as would be required under US law. Instead, there is the unofficial ‘pause’ in aid, which of course can be lifted as soon as it doesn’t look so bad to be supporting a violent and repressive military coup.

And, under the fine-print of the ‘pause’ in aid, aid for ‘democracy promotion’ continues.  Of course, the US government gives no aid to the Honduran people who are in the streets struggling for democracy.  To the US, ‘democracy promotion’ means giving money to the people who staged the violent and repressive coup to overturn a democratically elected government.

Watch actions, don’t listen to words.  And by actions, the US gov has been supporting the violent and repressive coupsters who have been killing their own citizens in the streets.  This support began before the coup, and has continued throughout.

This whole coup thing is a joke. The U.S. owns Honduras
and this is all about business and U.S. style
capitalism. It’s so transparent, how can anyone take
this theater seriously? If Zelaya goes back into power
the rich will lose their “power/influence”. The U.S.
hegemony over Central and South America is coming to
and end and thus, Obama vacillates (as usual) when he
needs to be decisive. The right thing to do is re-
install Zelaya and let the indigenous movement take
it’s natural course. U.S. hegemony over the Americas
needs to stop, period!

I recall the coup supporters who came here claiming that the ousting of Zelaya was both legal and a sign that Honduras was still a democratically ruled govt.

I think they hide now that the truth of the matter lies exposed.

The Obama administration is ambivalent.  They don’t want to be seen as supporting the coup regime, but they don’t like the left-leaning governments in Latin America that have recently been elected.

Zelaya was democratically elected, but stopped playing the
game the way the US wanted. Therefore, the US
administration gave the green light for the coup. The phoney,
tepid support for Zelaya by the Obama administration, shows
they were involved. Zelaya’s legitimacy is non-negotiable. I
agree fully with Folktruther and Russian Paul.

Typical Obama regime, trying to play both sides. They don’t want Zelaya back because he was making his country more independent from imperialist interests, but they still need to slap their fascist pets on the wrist.

You can undestand the Ambassador’s point.  The US under Obama instituted a standard coup and all of Latin America objected.  so Obama has to pretend he is backing Zelaya while running out the clock on his time in office.  But when the coup leaders poured gas into the Brazialian Embassy and shut down the oppositin media in the ususal way, it arouse Latin American as well as Hondurans.  So Zelaya being in the country makes it harder for Obama to pretend to suport him while continuing to support the coup

If the US has to back off the coup, it will lose respect in the world.  If however he continues it, he arouses opposition in all of Latin America.  obama managed to create a lose-lose situation, has he has in Israel, Iraq and the Afpak war.  It seens to be his speciality.

“The return of Zelaya absent an agreement is irresponsible and foolish ... He
should cease and desist from making wild allegations and from acting as though
he were starring in an old movie,” Amselem said.

What a bunch of bullshit. Of course Zelaya and his supporters need to overthrow
the illegal regime that has taken over! There is no other option! There is no
“compromising” or “agreements” to be made! As a cliched example, think of the
bully at the beach who kicks sand in your face. Do you stand there, month after
month, trying to “compromise” and make a deal, or do you kick his fucking ass?!