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Ex-CIA Heads Ask Obama to Drop Interrogation Investigation

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The seven ex-CIA directors disagree with Obama’s attorney general, Eric Holder (pictured), and believe that opening an investigation into potential past issues in the agency would set a bad precedent.

Attorney General Eric Holder may be convinced that he should go forward with his probe into the interrogation techniques used on terror suspects by CIA agents during the Bush II era, but seven former directors of the intelligence agency disagree—and they’re asking Holder’s boss, President Barack Obama, to intervene.  —KA

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Seven former CIA directors asked President Barack Obama on Friday to quash a criminal probe of harsh interrogations of terror suspects during the Bush administration.

The CIA directors, who served both Democratic and Republican presidents and include three who worked under President George W. Bush, made their request in a letter Friday to the White House.

Attorney General Eric Holder announced last month that he was appointing an independent counsel to investigate possible incidents of abuse by CIA personnel during interrogations that went beyond guidelines imposed by the Bush administration.

The incidents were referred by the CIA inspector general to the Justice Department during the Bush administration, but Justice officials at the time prosecuted only one case.

“If criminal investigations closed by career prosecutors during one administration can so easily be reopened at the direction of political appointees in the next, declinations of prosecution will be rendered meaningless,” wrote the former directors.

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By ardee, October 7, 2009 at 3:14 am Link to this comment

PatrickHenry, October 6 at 9:57 pm

I posted the links to those articles in the appropriate forum and have no need to repost them here. You fail the test of sanity and competence in attempting to defend your scurrilous position yet again…

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By PatrickHenry, October 6, 2009 at 6:57 pm Link to this comment

By ardee, October 6 at 11:15 pm #

I am rather clear and concise, and I do not lie.

Thats a good one, more like a xenophobic troll.

When are you going to find those Architectural digest articles you mentioned regarding 9/11 and the WTC?  Oh ya they don’t exist.

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By MarthaA, October 6, 2009 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

ardee, October 6 at 7:15 pm,

Ditto on amorphous nonsense and sophist outrage——otherwise, blah.

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By ardee, October 6, 2009 at 4:15 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA, October 6 at 11:42 am #

ardee, October 6 at 6:33 am,

Amorphous nonsense and sophist outrage.
.........................

I am rather clear and concise, and I do not lie. Nor am I outraged, that is another fellow. I do not despise you, only pity you. I have constantly posted chapter and verse as to why I hold such a low opinion of your worth and the phoniness of what you claim as fact.

Kind of peculiar that your allies here increasingly come from the slime trail leaving contingent…anti Semites and radical right wingers are drawn to your posts….hmmm.

But then you do have some things in common with Patrick Henry, neither of you respects truth much, neither cares to provide proofs when asked to do so, and both of you rave about conspiracies and boiler rooms as if that was even a sane or rational approach. Tell me Martha, has Patrick asked you buy a sheet and hood like his yet?

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By PatrickHenry, October 6, 2009 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment

By whole2th, October 6 at 1:13 pm #

I understand what you mean regarding ardee, however
as Noam Chomsky once said:

“If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for
people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all.”

There is nothing that the collaberative jackels (3 that I know of) want more than being able to censor debate here on truthdig, they have consistantly whined to the editorial staff here trying to get others and myself banned.  It is fortunate that they frequently violate the terms and conditions here far more than any one else and the editors know this.

I believe MarthaA got it right awhile ago when she posted about the “Boiler Room”.  It is no secret that Israel has funded hundreds if not thousands of jews, both in the U.S. and in Israel (with our tax dollars!) to cover sites such as Truthdig amongst others to stifle and dog critics and attempt to change public perception for the better.  This explains why they manage to be at the computer day and night, during working hours and holidays….get a life.

http://www.thejidf.org/search/label/About

Just one of many jewish hate sites used to obfuscate the truth that gets by the MSM, they have their own version of the “boiler room” and believe me any mention of Israel or jewish involvement in 9/11 will smoke them out.

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By MarthaA, October 6, 2009 at 8:42 am Link to this comment

ardee, October 6 at 6:33 am,

Amorphous nonsense and sophist outrage.

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By whole2th, October 6, 2009 at 6:13 am Link to this comment

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?
TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

Open the above website and download the scientific paper that PROVES
explosives were involved in turning the Twin Towers into dust. 

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AppendixC-fema403_apc.pdf  The last two
paragraphs in this official US government/FEMA report on “LIMITED
Metallurgical Examination” (with emphasis on ‘LIMITED’) indicate that ‘further
study’ was needed to explain holes melted through structural steel samples
from the Twin Towers and WTC7. 

Well, the study to explain the FEMA Appendix C discovery of an unusual
melting process has been done—and it is OBVIOUS that explosives and
incendiary materials were planted in the Twin Towers—and that the OFFICIAL
STORY OF 9/11 IS A BIG LIE.

In some ways I’d like TruthDig to ban ardee from posting.  However, it is inept
and despicable trolls like ardee who affirm the continuing efforts at
disinformation and ridicule in dogged attempts to cover-up what really
happened on 9/11.

The connection of CIA torture to 9/11 Commission Executive Director Philip
“myth-maker” Zelikow is established with Zelikow’s own admissions as to his
role in instructing the interrogators as to what he needed to spin his yarn—the
lies of the 9/11 Commission Report.  Even Lead Counsel to the 9/11
Commission, John Farmer, states in a new book, THE GROUND TRUTH, that the
9/11 Commission Report is mostly lies.

Keep being you, ardee.  You are so transparent in your despicable nature.

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By MarthaA, October 5, 2009 at 2:35 pm Link to this comment

ardee, October 4 at 8:53 am,

You have done an excellent job of expounding the blather of amorphous nonsense, your Right-Wing minders will be proud.

whole2th said October 4 at 9:46 am: “There is room in a FEMA
camp for ardee.”
  I agree with this whole2th statement.

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By whole2th, October 4, 2009 at 6:46 am Link to this comment

A new book, The Ground Truth focuses upon the 9/11 Commission Report.  In
this book the Lead Counsel to the 9/11 Commission states that most of the
9/11 Commission Report is lies.  Sixty percent of the 9/11 Commission
members have publicly stated that they were misled and lied to by NORAD and
other government officials.

There has been no accountability for the failures to protect US assets on the
morning of 9/11.  The only head that has rolled, so far, is Van Jones…..and his
crime?  Van Jones signed a statement demanding a real investigation into 9/11.

The key link of 9/11 to CIA torture, IMO, is Philip ‘myth-maker’ Zelikow who
gave the CIA interrogators lines of questioning which Zelikow would utilize to
spin his myth about 9/11.  Much of the Report relies on “intelligence” gathered
in “enhanced interrogation” (tortured) confessions.

It is this link to torture and Philip Zelikow that is the Achille’s heel for the CIA
and coconspirators of 9/11.  Who are the coconspirators?  http://whodidit.org
lists the most likely suspects.  Add to this list the media moguls who operate
BBC (announced Building 7 collapse twice—before it collapsed), NewsCorp,
CNN (announced Building 7 collapse prematurely as well), FOXNEWS
(announced Building 7 collapse prematurely), and other media who participated
in forming the myth of 19 Islamic radicals led by a man in a cave.

The big lies of 9/11 are easy to see intellectually.  The gravity of what it means
to have a mass media instrument of propaganda participating with rogue
elements of government and foreign rogue elements is staggering.  Add to this
the insurance payouts to Larry Silverstein properties—payouts made with sham
forensics investigations and we have a VAST CONSPIRACY.

Dwight Eisenhower warned in his parting speech of such conspiracies of
military and industry.  JFK warned of such vast conspiracies in his Secret Society
Speech.

The key to unlocking the Pandora’s box of these conspiracies by what I’ll call
the “robber class” is a real investigation into 9/11.  ardee will be revealed as a
change agent/player in the deceptions and coverup.  There is room in a FEMA
camp for ardee.  I pray he is in residence in such a camp soon.

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By ardee, October 4, 2009 at 5:53 am Link to this comment

MarthaA, October 3 at 9:37 pm #

ardee,

In the words of my hero, Rep. Alan Grayson, you are spouting amorphous nonsense.  But, that is what “you people” do, isn’t it?

Thank you ,Martha, for the ample proof of my own beliefs about you and your “style” of posting. I see very little difference between you and those who once dunked folks to prove they were witches, then burning them at the stake.

I posted examples of why I think you both an ineffective political poster and why I think you mentally unbalanced. I referenced your particular habit , well known to all, of accusing those who fail to agree in total with your made up garbage as, “the enemy” and, in return, get amorphous nonsense claiming I posted such…Nice work shrew.

Back up your claims, or better still, seek a mental health professional for your serious problems.

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By PatrickHenry, October 3, 2009 at 8:06 pm Link to this comment

There was alot more to 9/11 than the WTC and the Pentagon.

20 questions.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KI18Ak02.html

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By whole2th, October 3, 2009 at 7:57 pm Link to this comment

The subject here involves former CIA heads appealing to the President to stop
investigations into likely CIA criminality.

Why should Americans trust secretive criminal activity to be in the interests of
freedom and of preserving and protecting our Constitution—especially when
such criminality proceeds without any accountability?

Transparency in governance is a hallmark of our Republic’s stated designs.

ardee, and her ilk, would have us accept secrecy and criminality that sets back
the progress of human rights 800 years—to the times before the Magna
Carta.  And, to what end is this criminality committed?

The good German people went along with draconian police state measures
imposed by the Third Reich after the Reichstag fire.  That same historic pattern
of deception is being played out in the post-9/11 justification and lies.

Lead counsel to the 9/11 Commission John Farmer has a new book “The
Ground Truth” in which he says that nearly the entire 9/11 Commission Report
is lies.

ardee is a sychophant of the liars in chief.

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By MarthaA, October 3, 2009 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

ardee,

In the words of my hero, Rep. Alan Grayson, you are spouting amorphous nonsense.  But, that is what “you people” do, isn’t it?

Congressman Alan Grayson

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By ardee, October 3, 2009 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA, October 3 at 3:45 pm

While I am certain you welcome any ally you may find in your incessant journey through harpydom, I would note that you fool fewer and fewer with each effort.

I have agreed and disagreed with She from time to time, and almost never am I in agreement with Ozark but think neither nefarious, only sometimes misguided.

You, on the other hand have wandered the political landscape as if brain damaged, made up mythic statistics, haranguing against even the science of statistical analysis when shown the way it disagrees with your own inventions. You are against the Greens then for them, against Nader then for him, and , ever and always use the Democratic Party as some bastion it most certainly hasnt been for decades. And always condemning those who post honest opinion as some capitalized and bold faced denizen of the far right. Do you not see why I think you an imbecile?

I wonder why you failed to list all the folks who have been critical of your political fairy tales, but that would, perforce, be a rather long post indeed…..

I wish that, just once, you would post a logical opinion, sans caps or bold, one defensible and accurate, or at least from the heart and head. Perhaps that might even lead to an acceptance of the opinions of others that differ with your own without resorting to calling them agents of some sinister group…...Naaah, to much to hope for I guess.

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By MarthaA, October 3, 2009 at 12:45 pm Link to this comment

cyrena, October 2 at 1:52 am,

I totally agree with your assessment of ardee.  ardee is a part of the Conservative “Null Set” Movement.  My grandson was explaining a “null set” to me and I immediately thought of ardee, OzarkMichael, Shenonymous and some others on this blog, whose sole purpose is to be conversative in a manner that will distract conversation from worthwhile political dialog, and when they can’t, to call you mentally ill, etc. like the conservative EXTREMISTS have been trying on Florida Congressman Alan Grayson the Harvard graduate, who is standing up for the liberal public health care option. Conservative sophists calling liberals mental retards for telling the truth is part of the conservative political sophist agenda when they can’t distract and are unable to mentally handle actual political dialog, making up lies is their refuge, they only use religion.

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By PatrickHenry, October 2, 2009 at 3:20 am Link to this comment

By cyrena, October 2 at 5:52 am #

I haven’t heard from you in sometime and your perspectives were sorely missed. 

Sorry to hear about your folks.  My aunt died some time ago from Alzheimers in Vancover BC.  It was a tumultuous time in my family’s life.

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By ardee, October 2, 2009 at 3:08 am Link to this comment

cyrena, October 2 at 1:52 am

Gee thanks, cyrena, for baring your soul with such venomous eloquence. I have been here exactly twice, you might understand, and the first time I left you sent me a personal message requesting that I remain as you said you enjoyed my posts.

I still have that message here . would you like me to post it?

I guess you are having a rather bad day…..I am sorry to hear of your personal difficulties, my Mom died of Alzheimers and Parkinsons thus I am familiar with that particular hell..I wish them, and you, all the best.

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By cyrena, October 1, 2009 at 10:52 pm Link to this comment

By MarthaA, October 1 at 11:58 am #

ardee, October 1 at 6:42 am,

ardee said:  “you are not in charge here, thus you do not have the power to order me or anyone to engage in your sad little world.”

MarthaA’s answer:  Are you NOT in charge of the Conservative “Boiler Room”, ardee?  Or, are you just a conservative monkey, like a janitor monkey, serving without pay for the glory?  Is that why you get so upset?  Do they have the power over you, ardee? ——Or, do YOU have an Alexander Haig “I’m in charge here” Syndrome? ——What is it that causes you to have such difficulty communicating reasonably?

~*~*

Sorry MarthaA, (and anyone else who was previously unaware) but we should have warned you about ardee. He’s been a psycho case since I first started reading and contributing to this website nearly 3 years ago. He disappears from time to time, but always comes back. Meantime, I’ve been mostly MIA these last 5 or 6 months, since I’m now quite extensively involved in the care of my parents, both of whom are victims of the plague of Alzheimer’s and related dementias. And, as horrific as that illness is, there is no doubt in my mind that ardee has something even worse. Psychotic.. probably bi-polar or schizophrenic, and without a doubt, UNTREATED!! Ardee needs meds, and maybe a lobotomy. (or maybe he already had the lobotomy and it backfired.)

Anyway, a steady diet of reading stuff from ardee is enough to make even the most well balanced person a little bit less balanced. In fact, it’s downright depressing to listen to that shit over an extended period of time, since it’s obvious that nothing (like objectivity) has any effect on him. IOW’s he’s a gigantic waste of time.

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By whole2th, October 1 at 7:28 am

A new book:  http://joerobertson.com/newstome/security/john-farmers-
book-the-ground-truth-the-story-behind-america’s-defense-on-911

By whole2th, October 1 at 7:28 am

“John Farmer, senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission, builds the inescapably
convincing case that the official version is almost entirely untrue.”

~*~*

The “official” conspiracy from the so-called 9/11 Commission is indeed 99.7% untrue. As MarthaA has indicated, anyone who has been in the military would know that 9/11 could not have been accomplished without the direct planning of the US government. The same is true of anyone who has spent time in the commercial airline industry. Other observant people would have noted it immediately as well. I knew something was up when the towers BLEW UP - something that has never happened in the history of domestic aviation.

But there is a simpler reason for any person to ‘comprehend’ this…ZERO EVIDENCE OF ANY AIRCRAFT, PASSENGERS, CARGO AT ANY of the sites that were supposedly crash sites. Not so much as a broken wing light. NO emergency response at the Pentagon, no NTSB teams. (they are always dispatched immediately to a crash site). So, that’s simple enough. NO EVIDENCE of aircraft except on the photo’s the media were instructed to put out there for public consumption. There’s no way to know if the airplanes in the footage were in fact the ones they claimed to be. (no ship/tail numbers are visible in that footage..so the public is taking their word on that as well.)

All we KNOW is that SOMETHING blew up the WTC, and SOMETHING smashed into the Pentagon and killed people. There is not now, nor has there ever been, any physical evidence that can put those 4 airplanes at those alleged crash sites.

Anyway, I hadn’t heard about this book, (so thanks for the reference) but I did read another one by Phillip Shenon entitled “The Commission: History of the 9/11 Investigation.” It was illuminating.

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By PatrickHenry, October 1, 2009 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

I would have guessed ardee following Ariel Sharon instead of Nader being the Israeli apologist that she is. 

That is what ardees 9/11 denial is really about, a smoke screen to white wash obvious implication of self important US jews with agents of the Israeli government in collaboration with Cheneys “ghost section” of the U.S. government.  If found out, the US populations attitude towards Israel and the jewish and christian zionists who support that terrorist state would turn ugly quicker than ardee can hurl an insult.

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By ardee, October 1, 2009 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA, October 1 at 11:58 am

It is posts like this one that make me fear for your sanity, or at least whatever is left thereof.

I guess because you follow some strange and ethereal political star you think others are followers as well. I support the platform and the political acumen of Ralph Nader, I do not follow him, or anyone else for that matter.

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By MarthaA, October 1, 2009 at 8:58 am Link to this comment

ardee, October 1 at 6:42 am,

ardee said:  “you are not in charge here, thus you do not have the power to order me or anyone to engage in your sad little world.”

MarthaA’s answer:  Are you NOT in charge of the Conservative “Boiler Room”, ardee?  Or, are you just a conservative monkey, like a janitor monkey, serving without pay for the glory?  Is that why you get so upset?  Do they have the power over you, ardee? ——Or, do YOU have an Alexander Haig “I’m in charge here” Syndrome? ——What is it that causes you to have such difficulty communicating reasonably? —— since you say you follow Ralph Nader, it seems unreasonable you would act this way; therefore, accepting that you actually do follow Ralph Nader isn’t possible; so, one has to gather that you are a political monkey under stress in an EXTREMIST conservative boiler room trying to be noticed for what you perceive as bright sophism, but without effect, so you get angry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiler_room_(business)

http://www.lackadaisycats.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=711835&sid=b9288b562a0bcac1edca152e51e13182

I will defend to the nth degree anything I post, but you have presented nothing objective in what you complain about, giving me nothing objective to answer.

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By whole2th, October 1, 2009 at 4:28 am Link to this comment

ardee,

  When they round up the perpetrators and conspirators in the 9/11 cover-up,
you should be included among the group of evildoers.  There’s room in the
FEMA camps for your ilk.

A new book:  http://joerobertson.com/newstome/security/john-farmers-
book-the-ground-truth-the-story-behind-america’s-defense-on-911

John Farmer, senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission, builds the inescapably
convincing case that the official version is almost entirely untrue. The ground
truth that Farmer captures suggests a very different scenario — one that is
doomed to be repeated unless the systemic failures he reveals are confronted
and remedied.

Now I’ve not read the book at all.  What I do know is that nano thermite,
combustion byproducts of nano thermite and rapid sulfidation and oxidation of
steel have been identified by FEMA.  Three buildings seemingly (according to
the official myth) “self-destructed” into their greatest strength and mass at
almost freefall speed.  Flight 93’s debris field indicated it was probably shot
down and Rumsfeld said “shot down over Pennsylvania”.  The Pentagon hole
doesn’t account for engines, wings and tail in the facade damage.  I could go
on—and note so much that ardee has ignored here.

ardee represents the most dispicable element of humanity—and doggedly
spams this topic in a futile effort to hide the real truth—that his cohorts ARE
THE EVILDOERS of the earth.

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By ardee, October 1, 2009 at 3:42 am Link to this comment

MarthaA, September 30 at 9:13 pm

Firstly, MarthaA/ThomasG, you are not in charge here, thus you do not have the power to order me or anyone to engage in your sad little world.

Secondly I answered all your questions in one succinct comment. I believe you to be a devious, not quite sane, little annoyance with your dualistic role here, your incessant use of capitals and bold print making your efforts ( gratefully) mostly unreadable.

Further, your insistence upon the Democratic Party as the only possible solution, when it is increasingly evident that they are a large part of the problem, shows how your position lacks depth or nuance. Further you have been all over the board here, first condemning third party growth, then supporting it, first condemning Nader , then supporting him….I guess your politics depends upon your medication in large part.

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By MarthaA, September 30, 2009 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

ardee,

MarthaA said: “Why are you worried about more than one e-mail posting from one CRT?——Why do you assume only one person?  Why does more than one person posting from one CRT bother you?  Why would you deny others the right to post?  Are you non-democratic?  What does it matter?”

ardee answered: “Do you even have to ask that questions, Martha?  Of course deception matters.”

MarthaA’s answer: What deception are you talking about? Are you paranoid?

I asked you more than one question, how come you only answered one?  Ralph Nader would have answered all of the questions, are you a deception, ardee?  Answer each of the questions.

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By MarthaA, September 30, 2009 at 6:12 pm Link to this comment

ardee,

MarthaA said: “Why are you worried about more than one e-mail posting from one CRT?——Why do you assume only one person?  Why does more than one person posting from one CRT bother you?  Why would you deny others the right to post?  Are you non-democratic?  What does it matter?”

ardee answered: “Do you even have to ask that question, Martha?  Of course deception matters.”

MarthaA’s answer: What deception are you talking about? Are you paranoid?

I asked you more than one question, how come you only answered one?  Ralph Nader would have answered all of the questions, are you a deception, ardee?  Answer each of the questions.

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By whole2th, September 30, 2009 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

So, investigations into CIA torture are sure to uncover communications between
CIA torture squads and Exec. Dir. of the 9/11 Commission, Philip ‘myth-maker’
Zelikow.  Zelikow communicated his needs for “intelligence” to CIA so that he
could piece together the myth called the 9/11 Commission Report.  It is highly
likely that he instructed the CIA in what ‘confessions’ were needed to
substantiate a linkage between Al Queda and 9/11.

ardee has a special place here at “Truth"Dig.  He is a gatekeeper of the big lies-
-of 9/11, of CIA crimes—and of Israeli crimes.

Within the next two days a NYC judge will decide whether 80,000 petitioners
will be granted their petition to put on the ballot a resolution for creating a
new investigative commission into 9/11.  Will Truthdig report on this initiative? 
No, not at all, because the controlling forces here at Truthdig are not about
truth, they are about control and giving the perception of alternative coverage
of current affairs.

Truthdig is what i call a “steam valve” organization—a place to let off steam
and think that something will change because we have Truthdig.

Will CIA investigations proceed because of Truthdig, AlterNet, Huffington Post
and other steam valve “media” sources?  Unlikely.

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By ardee, September 30, 2009 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA, September 30 at 8:17 pm

Do you even have to ask that question, Martha? Of course deception matters.

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By MarthaA, September 30, 2009 at 5:17 pm Link to this comment

ardee,

Why are you worried about more than one e-mail posting from one CRT?——Why do you assume only one person?  Why does more than one person posting from one CRT bother you?  Why would you deny others the right to post?  Are you non-democratic?  What does it matter?

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By ardee, September 30, 2009 at 3:21 am Link to this comment

AFriend, September 29 at 10:19 pm

And I continue to believe you cannot.

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By AFriend, September 29, 2009 at 7:19 pm Link to this comment

ardee,

I continue to believe you could add authentic value here.

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By ardee, September 29, 2009 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA, September 25 at 12:03 pm #

ardee,

Your head must be getting pretty sore banging your head trying to agree that 911 was not an inside job. Anyone who has been in the military’s Airforce should know that such a thing could not have happened without a compliant government.

My head is just fine Martha, hows yours? By the by, your contention is an aburdity, of course it happened here, primarily because noone thought it could actually occur.

By the by, I see you are ,once again posting as ThomasG…..

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By ardee, September 29, 2009 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

You desperately crave respect. Without knowing the reasons why this is so very important to you I can tell you how futile your attempts are.

I think, AFriendless, that this is a form of projection on your part. I crave nothing whatsoever but honest debate and you are incapable of such. Your buddy PatrickHenry is a bigot and you are a neocon lying machine. I tell the truth as I see it and you cannot even recognise truth when you see it.

You are free to make all the assumptions about me that you wish, you may even stoop to mentioning my family, though any honest person would refrain from such. But then , you are not an honest person at all, you arent even an adult. Why not simply drop the bullshit, ignore me and go about your business with others here who will engage you in a less up front way?

You wont of course, because it is not debate you crave, only disruption.

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By PatrickHenry, September 29, 2009 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment

By ardee, September 25 at 7:24 am #

You post well for someone wearing a white robe and hood….but you still say nothing important.

ardee, you have a point, posting anything about you is relatively unimportant, I guess I continue to receive notices on this thread in the off chance you say something non-insulting or honest.

Fat chance of that.

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By AFriend, September 29, 2009 at 7:21 am Link to this comment

ardee,

Of course you don’t teach your Grandchildren to speak and act as you yourself do. That would be, well, ridiculous behavior. Yet the below post reflects the very behavior you wouldn’t teach a child.

When another disagrees with you they are spreading lies and manure. It’s the language and attitude of children, ardee. How is it you fail to see?

You desperately crave respect. Without knowing the reasons why this is so very important to you I can tell you how futile your attempts are.

You have to give it, ardee. Insults and a petulant attitude only sink you deeper away from what you so desperately seek.

I continue to believe you could add some authentic value here.

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By ardee, September 28, 2009 at 4:48 am Link to this comment

You ignore key evidence that undermines your positions

I think that the only person here you fool is yourself, whole2th.

I pasted the lies of your position on two occasions now, that you condemn me for rudeness while spreading manure about others rather freely. You are either very young, very dumb or both.

That you accuse me of ignoring “key evidence” only proves the lack of worth of your own belief system, that you insult those who disagree while criticising the well earned insults I direct at the worthlessness of your posts and contribution here makes further responses to you a waste of time.

A shame your parents didnt believe in either birth control or the need to educate their spawn. You may continue to post your childish stupidities , I will ignore them from this point onward.

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By whole2th, September 28, 2009 at 4:06 am Link to this comment

How you were raised, ardee, is a question on my mind—briefly—as your ilk
will go into the ignominy of history.

Basic human ethics and fair play are missing in your ways of expression, ardee.

You truculently participate here as if you have something important to add—
then add little more than ridicule and name-calling.

You ignore key evidence that undermines your positions.

In your universe, being told you are a devil is likely a compliment.

Again, thank you for being to much you.  It is awakening to see the corrupt
nature of those who wish to keep secret who really orchestrated 9/11: 
Mossad, Saudi Arabia, CIA, Pakistani ISI and others you appear to ally with.

What design is it that your ilk have for this world, ardee?

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By ardee, September 27, 2009 at 6:55 am Link to this comment

AFriend, September 25 at 4:50 pm #

ardee,

How is it that everyone who disagrees with you is “lying”?

...................................

Not everyone, only those, like you, who do lie all the time.

How I raise my grandkids, and their parents actually do that kiddie, is not the issue here, and is none of your fucking business either. What I do hope, is that, when they mature, they will recognize bullshit like yours.

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By AFriend, September 25, 2009 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment

ardee,

How is it that everyone who disagrees with you is “lying”? How is it even possible that everyone who disagrees with you is somehow evil? Why is it that every opinion that differs from your own is “stupid”? You throw these words around like a petulant child screaming to be heard.

I agree with you in that 9/11 was what we all saw, however, I assure you if you allow others their own opinions, take a more tolerant attitude, and do it with authentic honesty you’ll gain a great deal more of the respect you crave.

—-

As an aside: Do you teach your Grandchildren to talk to and treat others as you do? Or do you teach them to respect others opinions when those opinions differ most from their own?

I rarely read your posts. You sow a tremendous amount of hatred and division.  I’ve simply never seen you add value to the discourse. I do, however, continue to believe you could add real value here.

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By whole2th, September 25, 2009 at 10:16 am Link to this comment

We watched this new 9/11 documentary and it is EXCELLENT:

LOOSE CHANGE 9/11:  AMERICAN COUP

I was pleased with how chock-full of evidence, getting to the key points, and
comparitively short this 4th version of LOOSE CHANGE series is.  It is distributed
on one disc in both NTSC and PAL formats, depending on which side of the disc is
inserted to play.

I highly recommend this for distribution to people who are unfamiliar with all the
evidence that is covered up. 

ardee, you should watch this to prepare your distortions and lies.

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By MarthaA, September 25, 2009 at 9:03 am Link to this comment

ardee,

Your head must be getting pretty sore banging your head trying to agree that 911 was not an inside job. Anyone who has been in the military’s Airforce should know that such a thing could not have happened without a compliant government.

9-11 videos and info

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEuJimaumW4

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145#

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9153741586264750761#

http://911scholars.org/

http://stj911.org/

http://911missinglinks.com

http://911truth.org

http://wtc7.net

http://911weknow.com

http://911mysteries.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElrXrE8AmIc

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By ardee, September 25, 2009 at 4:24 am Link to this comment

PatrickHenry, September 25 at 7:11 am

You post well for someone wearing a white robe and hood….but you still say nothing important.

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By PatrickHenry, September 25, 2009 at 4:11 am Link to this comment

By ardee, September 24 at 10:09 pm #

You do not seem to understand that I am simply pointing out the stupidity of your position. I am , in fact, in the great majority opinion that what happened on 9/11 was what we all saw happen, planes flew into those buildings, loaded with full tanks of jet fuel and the rest is history, abetted by the unique architecture of the construction.

If anyone has pointed out how stupid their position is rd it is you.  Unfortunately for you, your many lies have given you zero credibility.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/141006poll.htm

I guess your one of the 16%.

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By whole2th, September 24, 2009 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

Ardee has been invited at least five times to look at the scientific fact that
explosives were found in ground zero dust—and she continues to ignore this
science.

I’m right now watching the newest 9/11 documentary:  Loose Change 9/11: 
American Coup   I invite everyone to watch this new documentary.

9/11 was an American coup.  It was a violent act to shock and awe the
populace such that the fearful populace acquiesce to shredding of
Constitutional liberties and the development of a militaristic focus and growing
surveillance society.  9/11 was used to justify invasion and occupation of the
Middle East and looting of our treasury with rampant deficit spending on war
and security.

Until there is a new investigation into the events of 9/11, we in the 9/11 truth
movement will not go away.  We will demand investigations.  We will continue
to reveal investigative evidence through every communication method at hand.

We expect the ardees of the world to continue to be the lapdogs of the robber
class and to assist the evildoers in new false flag terrorist acts while doggedly
working to squelch inquiry.

The truth will continue to cast the despicable efforts of those like ardee into
the ignominy of history.

9/11 was an inside job.

http://911missinglinks.com

http://911truth.org
http://firefightersfor911truth.org
http://mp911truth.org
http://rl911truth.org
http://patriotsquestion911.com
http://pilotsfor911truth.org
http://ae911truth.org
http://wtc7.net
http://911weknow.com
http://911mysteries.com

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By ardee, September 24, 2009 at 7:09 pm Link to this comment

hole2th, September 24 at 8:15 am #

The real story of 9/11 has not yet been told.

People like ardee have a mission:  keep the sheeple subdued and ignorant.
Intimidate those they can into keeping quiet.  While ardee accuses me of
making personal attacks, her theme is one of personal attacks.  Self-
contradiction and lies are the modus operandi of such an entity as ardee

You do not seem to understand that I am simply pointing out the stupidity of your position. I am , in fact, in the great majority opinion that what happened on 9/11 was what we all saw happen, planes flew into those buildings, loaded with full tanks of jet fuel and the rest is history, abetted by the unique architecture of the construction.

You are also adding to your poor image here by insisting that those who disagree with you are part and parcel of yet another conspiracy.

It must really suck to be you.

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By whole2th, September 24, 2009 at 5:15 am Link to this comment

The real story of 9/11 has not yet been told.

People like ardee have a mission:  keep the sheeple subdued and ignorant. 
Intimidate those they can into keeping quiet.  While ardee accuses me of
making personal attacks, her theme is one of personal attacks.  Self-
contradiction and lies are the modus operandi of such an entity as ardee.

The Twin Towers both exploded—explosively demolished down to the ground
level with concrete, office equipment, and human bodies pulverized by
explosives.

Our world is being taken from us as we wrangle with the despicable entities like
ardee.  She is a devil.

http://ae911truth.org
http://911missinglinks.com
http://wtc7.net
http://911weknow.com

Humanity is worth saving from the likes of the “ardees” who deceive, beguile,
lie, distort and blaspheme reality. 

Ardee, I wouldn’t want to be like you—never.  You do humanity a service in
your example.  You awaken us to the depths of darkness and corruption.

Thank you, ardee, for being you.

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By ardee, September 24, 2009 at 4:38 am Link to this comment

PatrickHenry, September 24 at 7:15 am

Do you not understand that this sort of childish retort marks you as the moron I have always known you to be? Dont you have a Klan rally to attend?

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By PatrickHenry, September 24, 2009 at 4:15 am Link to this comment

More fans of your astute points of view ardee?

I see you come across as a dimwit to them too.

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By ardee, September 24, 2009 at 4:04 am Link to this comment

whole2th, September 24 at 10:18 am

The fact that your entire rant is a insult to someone indicates the lack of strength of your character and your argument. After you remove your head from your ass perhaps you might contemplate that many more people think you and your fellow conspiracy nuts to be more than a bit over the edge than there are those who agree with you.

For every crazed charge you make there are reams of scientific evidence denying the validity of your positions, but, of course, you guys think all those are a part of the cover up…Circular logic is so much fun, and the best part is that you can play with your hands firmly over your ears.

There are better spokespersons for your side of this, I suggest you allow them to continue while you simply concentrate on graduating from high school.

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By whole2th, September 24, 2009 at 3:18 am Link to this comment

ardee fails miserably to effectively distract and distort the clear evidence that
EXPLOSIVE DEMOLITION actually finished off the Twin Towers and the third
building that WAS NOT HIT BY A PLANE, Building 7.  ardee (not worth
capitalizing the name) says that rust on steel beams is thermite—and that he
learned this in his science class. 

The human herd is not dumbed down enough—yet—for the ‘ardees’ to
succeed in their disinformation campaign.  ardee’s pathetic attack on Martha is
a desperate attempt to ‘herd’ the compliant and fearful sheeple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElrXrE8AmIc

CIA should be disbanded—immediately!  The FEMA camps are sufficiently
readied to hold the disinformation agents….those who have lowered their
spiritual capabilities to promoting a world of domination through lies.

Ray McGovern:  “With the symbiotic relationship among government, large
corporations, and the media well in place, the country is a baby step away from
fascism. And das Volk, the simple people (most of whom are relatively
comfortable but at the same time live in artificially whipped up fear of
“terrorists”) also live in denial, like the good Germans who let it all happen,
quite legally, in Nazi Germany.”

Sufficient numbers of us know the lessons of history, ardee.  We know your ilk
and will resist with all our physical and spiritual resources.

Ardee, your behavior here is despicable.  Wipe that smile off your face, ardee.

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MarthaA, September 23 at 7:45 pm #

Talking to you, Martha , is comparable to banging ones head against the wall, it feels so very good when you stop.

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By MarthaA, September 23, 2009 at 4:45 pm Link to this comment

That is exactly what happened when that bomber ran into the Empire State Building, and it didn’t make Thermite. How do you account for that?

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By ardee, September 23, 2009 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA, September 23 at 1:00 pm

The making of thermite requires exactly the environment one might find when a plane load of jet fuel, surrounded by a lot of aluminum,  collides with a steel structured building and creates great heat.

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By MarthaA, September 23, 2009 at 10:00 am Link to this comment

There is a recipe for making thermite on the internet, which seems highly unlikely iron oxide, aluminum powder and magnesium could have gotten together accidentally.

http://how2dostuff.blogspot.com/2006/01/how-to-make-thermite.html

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By amunaor, September 22, 2009 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment

Only dark and evil deeds require the cloak of secrecy. Having a secret police, with court proceedings behind closed doors is a contradiction in terms to an open and free society.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant!

Let it all hang out!

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By ardee, September 22, 2009 at 3:50 am Link to this comment

whole2th, September 21 at 7:11 pm

WTF is a Q group activist?  Never mind, I do not want to know.

The citing I posted is directly from a chemistry text, backed up by an article on Wiki….I hope you are in group therapy.

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By PatrickHenry, September 21, 2009 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment

Who?  Did someone ask who?

http://www.911blogger.com/node/19889

Too much coincidence to be coincidence yet another item which got by the so called 15 million dollar “9/11 commission”.

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By whole2th, September 21, 2009 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment

By ardee, September 21 at 5:35 pm #
If I remember my science lessons one produces thermite by oxidizing iron in
an oxygen-rich environment under high heat….Hmm, iron, as in a buildings
structure, high heat as in a jet fuel fire…..

How lame can you get, ardee….“If I remember my science lessons”.

Iron oxide (rust) is not thermite—you are incorrect about the composition of
thermite—and incorrect in the name of what was found in WTC ground zero
dust samples.

The history of nanothermite appears to go back far enough to be considered as
a possible explosive in 2001. Here is a patent which is dated several years
earlier.
US19960684781
19960722 (July 22, 1996)
Legal status (INPADOC) of US5885321 US F 68478196 A (Patent of invention)
PRS Date: 1997/07/22 PRS Code: AS02
EFFECTIVE DATE: 1996/07/15
Abstract of US5885321
Fine aluminum powders are prepared by decomposing alane-adducts in
organic solvents under an inert atmosphere to provide highly uniform particles
selectably sized from about 65 nm to about 500 nm and believed particularly
effective as fuels and additives, in pyrotechnics, and in energetic materials
including composites, super thermite, and other explosives.

Who had access to place nano thermite in the WTC Twin Towers?  Who stood to
benefit from destroying the WTC and blaming the attack on radical Islamics? 
Why would insurance companies accept forensics examiners admission that
they didn’t test for explosives….and pay Larry Silverstein Properties nearly
double the face amount of the insurance policies he took out just 60 days prior
to 9/11?

Why does Truthdig ignore the scientific findings of nano thermite at ground
zero?

Why does ardee keep posting here with little more than personal anecdotes and
distraction?  Is ardee a Q group operative?

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By ardee, September 21, 2009 at 2:35 pm Link to this comment

If I remember my science lessons one produces thermite by oxidizing iron in an oxygen-rich environment under high heat….Hmm, iron, as in a buildings structure, high heat as in a jet fuel fire…..

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By PatrickHenry, September 21, 2009 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment

Try opening it, then download the file.

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

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By whole2th, September 21, 2009 at 6:06 am Link to this comment

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?
TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

To Truthdig editors.  Please download and publish the above abstract AND the
complete scientific research paper produced by ten European and American
scientists that establishes as scientific fact the discovery of exotic explosives
called “nano thermite” in ground Zero debris.

Note that NIST (National Institute of Science and Technology) has officially
admitted to NOT TESTING FOR EXPLOSIVES residues in the WTC debris.

If Truthdig is about truth, this article, which is now read by tens of millions,
surely represents a finding worthy of discussion and further exploration.

I would note that the nano thermite findings corroborate the official FEMA
Report on 9/11 that, in Appendix C entitled “Limited Metallurgical
Examination”, notes discovery of unusually rapid melting and sulfidation in
several steel samples from the Twin Towers and Building 7.  The science
doesn’t lie—Mr. Gross of NIST does lie.

Read especially the last two paragraphs of FEMA Appendix C here:
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AppendixC-fema403_apc.pdf

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By whole2th, September 21, 2009 at 6:06 am Link to this comment

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?
TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

To Truthdig editors.  Please download and publish the above abstract AND the
complete scientific research paper produced by ten European and American
scientists that establishes as scientific fact the discovery of exotic explosives
called “nano thermite” in ground Zero debris.

Note that NIST (National Institute of Science and Technology) has officially
admitted to NOT TESTING FOR EXPLOSIVES residues in the WTC debris.

If Truthdig is about truth, this article, which is now read by tens of millions,
surely represents a finding worthy of discussion and further exploration.

I would note that the nano thermite findings corroborate the official FEMA
Report on 9/11 that, in Appendix C entitled “Limited Metallurgical
Examination”, notes discovery of unusually rapid melting and sulfidation in
several steel samples from the Twin Towers and Building 7.  The science
doesn’t lie—Mr. Gross of NIST does lie.

Read especially the last two paragraphs of FEMA Appendix C here:
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AppendixC-fema403_apc.pdf

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By whole2th, September 21, 2009 at 5:53 am Link to this comment

At the tippy-top of politics, all are selling-out The People for the
corporatist/Rothschild/Khazar/plutocrat/Israeli agenda.

The liberal-conservative and Democrat-Republican paradigms serve the
agenda to ‘divide and conquer’.

It is working.  We have a President who can successfully resist court scrutiny on
his citizenship.  This post-9/11 era is based upon enforced lies about who
caused 9/11—lies that are supported by “mainstream media”—tools of the
beguiling plutocrats who own the media.  The Federal Reserve is neither
“Federal”, nor does it have “reserves”—it is a privately owned and controlled
sham that creates currency out of thin air at the behest of the war-mongering
plutocrats to fund their wars—and leave us to pay the debts.  Presently, we are
being psychologically propagandized to think the recession is nearly over and
that our money woes are getting under control.

Such writing as above is labeled “conspiracy theories”—an effective
psychological tool for shutting down inquiry.  Obedient sheeple do not wish to
be cast as “conspiracists”.  Additionally, to awaken to the psy-ops that are
perpetrated upon us to subjugate and control us is to take responsibility as
people for righting the many, many wrongs—while seeing that vast resources
are controlled by a vast conspiracy of plutocrats.

Listen to JFK’s “Secret Society Speech” on YouTube here: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS7l6i4w11U

JFK was a conspiracy theorist.  He opposed Israel getting The Bomb.  He and his
brother took on organized crime.  JFK sought to End the Fed through Executive
Order 11110—which authorized creation of currency by the Dept. of Treasury-
-sidestepping the privately held Federal Reserve.  Any one of these courageous
acts would be sufficient to get JFK assassinated.  The Secret Society Speech
may have initiated plans for his assassination.

Watch for trolls here.  Some may be part of the “Q group”—a task force which
intercepts evidence of US government complicity in 9/11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jFWvZr-QLo

The torture trail leads to 9/11 lies via Philip “myth-maker” Zelikow and the
“official confessions” he gained to formulate the 9/11 Omission Report. 
Zelikow wrote a college thesis on the creation and preservation of public myth-
-making him eminently qualified to be the executive director of the 9/11
Commission.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuoQZkBFj9A

Watch the troll tactics at “Truth"dig, AlterNet and other “controlled truth”
websites.  To their disdain, the 9/11 psy-ops is thwarted by the huge volumes
of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job—and the plutocrats’ use of the 9/11
lies is limited by those of us who continue to be vigilant and post the evidence
that the complicit media (including Truthdig) avoid printing.

If Truthdig is about truth, how about printing the entire Bentham
aluminothermics article for comment?  .....not a hit piece—PUBLISH THE
SCIENTIFIC STUDY that establishes as scientific fact the presence of exotic
explosives:  nanothermite.

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By ardee, September 21, 2009 at 2:56 am Link to this comment

It certainly could be, but also could be the Democratic Party as well…..

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By MarthaA, September 20, 2009 at 8:06 pm Link to this comment

ardee,

ardee said: “.., your support for those who use the Constitution of these United States as so much toilet paper…”

MarthaA’s answer:  Could it be the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Republicans?

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By PatrickHenry, September 20, 2009 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment

By Rodger Lemonde, September 20 at 2:28 pm #

There is the General Downgrading Schedule and those exempt for the GDS.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-11652.htm

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By ardee, September 20, 2009 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

AFriend, September 20 at 9:55 am

You, on the other hand, will probably never learn that your distortions of fact,your ignoring of the words of others that detail your distortions, your support for those who use the Constitution of these United States as so much toilet paper make you an object of ridicule.

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By Rodger Lemonde, September 20, 2009 at 7:28 am Link to this comment

We need a law making misuse of classification a
serious felony with no statute of limitations.
The CIA has some of the best minds in the world who
truly want to keep America and the world safe. To
those people I say thank you. Unfortunately the
sensitive nature of their work allows flawed characters to classify mistakes, hide evidence, and
avoid consequence for actions that are misfeasance or
malfeasance. The CIA is not alone in this, the
military, the FBI and other agencies fall from grace
under cover of classification. To keep our ideals as
a nation we can not have an inviolate oubliette.

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By AFriend, September 20, 2009 at 6:55 am Link to this comment

ardee,

In time you will learn that honesty, integrity and more patients toward others is the better way. In time you’ll learn how you demean yourself on these pages.

You have it within you get gain what you seek. Honesty, first and foremost, will get you the respect you crave so deeply.

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By PatrickHenry, September 19, 2009 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

All 7 former directors need to be investigated too.

It is in the United States best interest with the world and with its own citizens to investigate these claimes in open court and punish the perpetrators.

Just following orders doesn’t fly.  The only way we can insure that this doesn’t happen in the future is to stop it now with a big foot and in an historic way.

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By ardee, September 19, 2009 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

hidflect, September 19 at 4:27 pm

Thanks for the clarification…A link would have been conclusive though…...I have searched for such a reference but find only the crime I mentioned.

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By hidflect, September 19, 2009 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment

@ardee:

EXTRACT FROM CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE REPORT: Despite clear legal restrictions on such trade, Rich engaged in commodities trading with Iraq, Iran, Cuba and other rogue states that have sponsored terrorists acts.

He had a long and disgraceful record of trading with America’s enemies, helping prop up the Ayatollah Khomeini, Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, and the Russian Mafia.

STEPHEN LONG: According to the report, Mr Rich was pardoned even though a Justice Department check revealed new evidence that he was wanted for arms trading.

Bill Clinton’s pardon for Marc Rich followed representations by Israeli Prime Minister, Ehud Barak, there are claims that Marc Rich was a Mossad spy.

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By Jean Gerard, September 19, 2009 at 9:26 am Link to this comment
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Back to the base line:  Torture is illegal (as well as morally despicable).  If we don’t prosecute, we are complicit and torture will be continued.
Prosecution may cause a huge ruckus. Prosecution may NOT cause a huge ruckus.  Tough call. How strong are we, really?  We can bomb-bomb but can we look at ourselves in the mirror without disintegrating?

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By Howie Bledsoe, September 19, 2009 at 7:32 am Link to this comment
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I used to think that that old statue of lady liberty had the blindfold on to signify that law is blind to bigotry and corruption. Im now starting to realize that the CIA put it on her, along with a gag order and a bit of waterboarding before hand.

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By Jim Yell, September 19, 2009 at 7:10 am Link to this comment
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Torture is not ever to be permitted. Those officials who feel safe to torture are dangerous to us all. It is one very short step from torturing the guilty to torturing the innocent. In fact we know that we and yes it was we, allowed innocent people to be tortured by our government and by arrangement with foreign governments.

If we are to have the rule of law the guilty should be prosecuted starting with Bush/Cheney, Rumsfield, et al. They are guilty and it shouldn’t be that hard to prove it. They left their finger prints all over the place.

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By ardee, September 19, 2009 at 4:31 am Link to this comment

Marc Rich (born Marc David Reich on December 18, 1934) is an international commodities trader. He created the spot market for crude oil in the 1970s [1]. He was indicted in the United States on federal charges of illegally making oil deals with Iran during the late 1970s-early 1980s Iran hostage crisis and tax evasion. He was in Switzerland at the time of the indictment and has never returned to the U.S. He subsequently received a presidential pardon from U.S. President Bill Clinton on January 20, 2001, Clinton’s last day in office.

Arms smuggler????

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By LETSGETRIGHT, September 19, 2009 at 2:29 am Link to this comment
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Comments such as ...“Hell, we even hired ex-Waffen SS officers to come to america after the war to teach ... ” (Non-sense)... for the not so smart citizen,that is.
However ignorant,it tells the whole story,more or less: Stupid and very convenient for 2009.
We seem to forget that ” all torture,such as water-boarding and worse,we have learned coming out of Iraq/Afghanistan,were “all the brainchild/teachings of the Israeli`s Military,as well as dreaded Mossad “..... for those who are living in the real world and which are somewhat higher up the food-chain !

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By Orley Allen, September 19, 2009 at 12:45 am Link to this comment
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The failings of our government must be kept secret to support the principle of
presidential infalliblity advanced by corporate shill historians and MSM hate
merchants. This corruption of the Justice Department is, in part, to further the
establishment of a papal form of presidency, where His Holiness, the President, is
both installed and informed by the astral powers and is most certainly never
wrong about anything, ever. It’s the kind of authoritarian lunacy longed for by the
weak-minded. You know, Republicans.

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By hidflect, September 19, 2009 at 12:43 am Link to this comment

More Kabuki from Obama’s team. This little set play was probably penciled in right from the start. Giving them once again the opportunity to shrug their shoulders and say “We did all we could..”

Holder managed to get a gangster arms smuggler (and who knows what else) like Marc Rich off… That’s his sole qualification.

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By ChaoticGood, September 18, 2009 at 11:50 pm Link to this comment

Well now, isn’t this just special…

The “spooks” have met up with the Ghostbusters and all hell is gonna break loose.

Just remember don’t ever cross the beams…

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By Outraged, September 18, 2009 at 10:21 pm Link to this comment

Part 3.

7. James R. Schlesinger
*** “While Secretary of Defense, he opposed amnesty for draft dodgers, and pressed for development of more sophisticated nuclear weapon systems…

...On February 2, 1973 he became Director of Central Intelligence, after Richard Helms, the previous director, had been fired for his refusal to block the Watergate investigation. Schlesinger’s first words upon becoming DCI were, reportedly, “I’m here to make sure you don’t screw Richard Nixon.” Although his CIA service was short, barely six months, it was stormy as he again undertook comprehensive organizational and personnel changes. He became so unpopular at CIA Headquarters in Langley, Virginia that a security camera had to be installed opposite his official portrait because of fears that it would be vandalized. By this time he had a reputation as a tough, forthright, and outspoken administrator…

...On February 2, 1973 he became Director of Central Intelligence, after Richard Helms, the previous director, had been fired for his refusal to block the Watergate investigation. Schlesinger’s first words upon becoming DCI were, reportedly, “I’m here to make sure you don’t screw Richard Nixon.” Although his CIA service was short, barely six months, it was stormy as he again undertook comprehensive organizational and personnel changes. He became so unpopular at CIA Headquarters in Langley, Virginia that a security camera had to be installed opposite his official portrait because of fears that it would be vandalized. By this time he had a reputation as a tough, forthright, and outspoken administrator…

...We must not be forced out of the market on land, at sea, or in the air. Eli Whitney belongs to us, not to our competitors.” In particular, Schlesinger saw a need in the post-Vietnam era to restore the morale and prestige of the military services; modernize strategic doctrine and programs; step up research and development; and shore up a DoD budget that had been declining since 1968…

...Schlesinger is currently the Chairman of the Board of Trustees of The MITRE Corporation; a Senior Advisor for Lehman Brothers; on the advisory board of The National Interest; a Director of BNFL, Inc., Peabody Energy, Sandia Corporation, Seven Seas Petroleum Company, Chairman of the Executive Committee of The Nixon Center. He is also on the Advisory Board of GeoSynFuels, LLC. He has written a number of opinion pieces on global warming, expressing a strongly skeptical position.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_R._Schlesinger

But what is the MITRE corporation?
“The MITRE Corporation is a public-interest not-for-profit organization based in Bedford, Massachusetts and McLean, Virginia. It manages Federally Funded Research and Development Centers (FFRDCs) supporting the Department of Defense, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), and the Department of Veterans Affairs. On March 5, 2009, MITRE was awarded one of two FFRDCs supporting the Department of Homeland Security as the operator of the Systems Engineering and Development Institute (SEDI).”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MITRE

Hmmm….

I smell a few rats (6-1, make your own determination).  These would be those big ugly kind of SEWER RATS.  Anyone else smell ‘em?  From my perspective, the fact that a couple of rats sign on to this “open letter” is…. well… do we have a word for this in the English language?  If we do, it escapes me… huh.

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By Outraged, September 18, 2009 at 10:20 pm Link to this comment

Post 2.

4. John Deutch
*** “He is presently an Institute Professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and serves on the Board of Directors of Citigroup, Cummins, Raytheon, and Schlumberger Ltd. Deutch is also a member of the Trilateral Commission…

...Soon after Deutch’s departure from the CIA in 1996 it was revealed that classified materials were being kept on several of Deutch’s laptop computers designated as unclassified. In January 1997, the CIA began a formal security investigation of the matter. Senior management at CIA declined to fully pursue the security breach. Over two years after his departure, the matter was referred to the Department of Justice, where Attorney General Janet Reno declined prosecution. She did, however, recommend an investigation to determine whether Deutch should retain his security clearance”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_M._Deutch

5. James Woolsey
*** “Woolsey is also a member of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and was one of the signatories to the January 26, 1998 letter sent to President Clinton that called for the removal of Saddam Hussein. That same year he served on the Rumsfeld Commission, which investigated the threat of ballistic missiles for the US Congress.

Within hours of the September 11, 2001 attacks, Woolsey appeared on television suggesting Iraqi complicity. In September 2002, as Congress was deliberating authorizing President Bush to use force against Iraq, Woolsey told The Wall Street Journal that he believed that Iraq was also connected to the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City and the first bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993. In July 2006, he called on the US to bomb Syria.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._James_Woolsey,_Jr.

6. William Webster
“Previously Webster was the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) from 1978 to 1987 and Director of Central Intelligence from 1987 to 1991. He was a former federal judge who ascended to the CIA after his successful coups against the New York mafia families while director of the FBI under President Jimmy Carter. Judge Webster is the only American to serve as both Director of Central Intelligence and Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation…

...On March 3, 2002 the University of California, Santa Barbara, held a debate titled “National Security vs. Personal Liberty.” The guest speakers were Mr. Webster and American Civil Liberties Union President Nadine Strossen. During the debate, Mr. Webster made the following statement which has since gained some popularity. “Security is always seen as too much until the day it’s not enough…” He also stated “Order protects liberty and liberty protects order.”

In reference to the September 11, 2001 attacks, Webster praised President George W. Bush for not acting rashly. “He did not launch seven ballistic missiles,” Webster said. “He didn’t even launch one.” However, Webster also stated a need for harder work in what he called public diplomacy in the following statement. “We need to work harder at getting our values out to those parts of the world that are most hostile to us,” he said. “You can call it propaganda if you want. I call it public diplomacy.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Webster

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By Outraged, September 18, 2009 at 10:19 pm Link to this comment

Part 1.

Article quote: The seven former CIA directors included Michael Hayden, Porter Goss and George Tenet, who served under Bush; John Deutch and James Woolsey, who worked for President Bill Clinton; William Webster, who served under President George H.W. Bush; and James Schlesinger, who ran the agency under President Richard Nixon. Tenet also served under Clinton.

The history of these seven need to be illuminated.

1. Michael Hayden
*** “In May 2006, USA Today reported that, under Hayden’s leadership, the NSA created a domestic telephone call database. During his nomination hearings, Hayden defended his actions to Senator Russ Feingold and others, stating that he had relied upon legal advice that the White House order to build the database was supported by Article Two of the United States Constitution executive branch powers (in which the President must “take care that the laws be faithfully executed”), overriding legislative branch statutes forbidding warrantless surveillance of domestic calls, which included the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Previously, this action would have required a warrant from a FISA court.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hayden

2. Porter Goss
*** “Major bills sponsored by Goss include a bill to limit Congressional pay raises to no more than Social Security cost-of-living adjustments (unpassed), The Public Interest Declassification Act of 1999 (unpassed), and the USA PATRIOT Act….

...Goss fully defended the CIA and the Bush administration. With the White House and Sen. Graham, his counterpart in the Senate Intelligence Committee, Goss rebuffed calls for an inquiry in the weeks immediately following September 11…

...Goss publicly declared his opposition to the creation of an independent 9-11 Commission. A year later, he declined to open committee hearings into the Plame affair, saying: “Somebody sends me a blue dress and some DNA, I’ll have an investigation.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Goss

3. George Tenet
*** “According to a report by veteran investigative journalist Bob Woodward in his book Plan of Attack, Tenet privately lent his personal authority to the intelligence reports about weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) in Iraq. At a meeting on December 12, 2002, he assured Bush that the evidence against Saddam Hussein amounted to a “slam dunk case…”

...In October 2006 Tenet joined QinetiQ as an independent non-executive director. Tenet then stepped down from the board in February 2008 to become the managing director of the secretive investment bank Allen & Company. Tenet also sits on the boards of directors of L-1 Identity Solutions, a major supplier of biometric identification software,”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tenet

But what is QinetiQ?
“In November 2007, the NAO reported that taxpayers could have gained “tens of millions” more and was critical of the incentive scheme given to QinetiQ managers, the 10 most senior of whom gained £107.5m on a total investment of £540,000 in the company’s shares. The return of 19,990% on their investment was described as “excessive” by the NAO. The role of QinetiQ’s management in negotiating terms with the Carlyle Group, while the private equity company was bidding for the business, was also criticised by the NAO. Carlyle bought a third of the business for £42m which grew in value to £372m in less than four years.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QinetiQ

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By knute, September 18, 2009 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment
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Investigating a bunch of CIA interrogaters seems like another exercise in pretending their is eventual justice of some sort. Much like dragging those few guards from Abu Grab in Iraq while the guy who gave them the all clear never faced anything but praise from the shrub. We all know that the guy with the mechanical heart behind the curtain was the one calling the shots, or removing the obstacles to torture at the very least. He’s proudly admitted on TV as much. He is secure in the knowledge that our representitives back in DC have no backbone, in most cases don’t seem to even comprehend the damage done, and will stop far short of demanding real accountability from the last administration’s criminal behavior.

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By axxter, September 18, 2009 at 7:17 pm Link to this comment
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Holder won’t drop the investigation.  He knows that, if he did, he could be arrested anytime he left the U.S.  He and Obama would never have freedom to travel after Obama’s presidency.  It’s that simple.

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By LostHills, September 18, 2009 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment

Asking the president to intervene in an ongoing investigation would seem to be illegal to me. I’m not sure the president has the power to call off the attorney general, and if he does so it will smell pretty bad. This investigation absolutely should go forward. All the activities of the previous administration need to be revealed and dealt with if we’re going to move forward as a nation. If these fearless leaders haven’t done anything wrong, then what are they afraid of? But this will probably go down like everything else- the neocons pull the strings and Obama jumps….

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By MarthaA, September 18, 2009 at 6:36 pm Link to this comment

The CIA investigation must not be squelched.  It is necessary that President Obama see the truth, however dirty it is.

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By whole2th, September 18, 2009 at 6:15 pm Link to this comment

Taking direction from Exec. Director of the 9/11 (omission) Commission Philip
Zelikow as to the line of questioning needed to formulate the official myths of
9/11, the investigations into torture have potential to reveal that the torture was
designed to get the needed ‘confessions’ that would weave the big lies that we
call the official conspiracy theory of 9/11.

Open the Pandora’s box already!

9/11 is the biggest of lies—and we who know (http://911weknow.com) are weary
of living in this era of lies.

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By srelf, September 18, 2009 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment

Dear ex-Directors:

I’m afraid the “declinations to prosecute” were made meaningless by the former
administration! So now you want to follow one bad judgement with another?

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By Big B, September 18, 2009 at 5:31 pm Link to this comment

How anybody could still be surprised at the revelations that we tortured people is beyond me. Of course the old CIA directors don’t want these facts to see the light of day. Because all of them, going back to the inception of the company, have ordered torture. Hell, we even hired ex-Waffen SS officers to come to america after the war to teach our wide eyed intelligence rookies the proper methods for inserting paper clips under someones toenails, or hooking their testacles up to a wall socket. These men went on to wright the training manual on counter insurgency(called Guerrilla warfare back then) and led our intelligence forces into central and south america to terrorize the countryside by randomly executing women, and bashing their babies heads off of rocks.

Waterboarding? jesus, is that all they did?

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By ardee, September 18, 2009 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

Is anyone surprised that those who condoned or engaged in illegal activities desire no investigations?

Someone tell those on the list for interview that all they must do is give up the names of those who ordered them to torture and they can go home to their own consciences or lack thereof.

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By cyrena, September 18, 2009 at 4:24 pm Link to this comment

“The incidents were referred by the CIA inspector general to the Justice Department during the Bush administration, but Justice officials at the time prosecuted only one case.”

Anybody surprised??

This is why they were so determined to pass the Military Commissions Act. It was specifically intended (by Cheney, Addington, and Yoo et all) to provide legal ass covering for these criminals after they left office, and would be open to the prosecutions that the former Justice department officials would NEVER allow to see the light of day.

We’ve been expecting this.

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By Jean Gerard, September 18, 2009 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment
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HALLOWEEN IN BOOGERSVILLE
    The other night I was just getting ready to turn in when I heard my doorbell ring.  I threw on my magic robe and my pointy hat, picked up my long crook, put my pet jailbird on my shoulder, and went downstairs, hoping to scare them away. 
    When I opened the door, two men were standing there side by side in the darkness.  One was old and one was younger. They both had mouths that twisted when they smiled like vultures with empty stomachs.  “We’re the Government,” said the younger one, and the bald-headed one added “Trick or Treat!”
  Then I noticed that both of them had guns. Their humvee was smokin’ up the neighborhood, chug! chug!
    Well, being this middle-class slob that I am, I had nothing in the house to give them because I was downsized lately and on Unemployment and there’s nothing left for candy and stuff.
    So I just said, “You must be joking.”  “No,no!” they said.  Then they both sneered, and shouted at the top of their lungs, “Bring ‘em on!” and they fired two shots, one heard round the world and the other hit a bystander but the neighbors didn’t even wake up. 
    Now look at me.  I’m a member of the “Native-born Enemy Non-Combatants” singing “I told you so, you lazy liberals!” 
    Now what did I do with my pointy hat?

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By P. T., September 18, 2009 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment

The former CIA guys sure are soft on crime.

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