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Is Rep. Joe Wilson Winning?

Posted on Sep 13, 2009

The White House was worried President Obama’s major health care address would get lost in the commemorations of 9/11. They didn’t know about Joe Wilson, the heretofore unknown South Carolina congressman who is now the national poster boy for the disaffected and ill-informed white people hurling tea bags and insults at the president.

The summer health care debate has been shaped by scandalously poor media coverage of town hall protests, skewing the facts and confusing millions of Americans for the sake of ratings.

President Obama had hoped to refocus the discussion and scored major points for his Wednesday address to Congress. But instead of talking about Obama’s speech and its arguments, cable news outlets have been debating whether Rep. Wilson is correct that health care reform will provide coverage to immigrants.

CNN took a heckle and made it a rebuttal, elevating Wilson and his agenda to the level of the president.

Wilson is still in the news, kept there in part by Democrats who may censure the congressman and hope to raise gobs of money on the back of his outburst. A fundraising e-mail signed by James Carville with the subject “Heckling the President?” says “Heck, if crazy were a pre-existing condition, the GOP wouldn’t be able to get insurance.”

Cute. But four days after the dust-up The Associated Press is reporting on whether or not Wilson will apologize again. He won’t.

There’s a bit of a Sarah Palin factor here. Just mention the name and it’s good for ratings, good for Web traffic and circulation, good for fundraising. It’s just not very good for America.  —PS

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By amunaor, September 17, 2009 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

That’s right MarthaA!

The wizards of sound & vision, through their corporate public relations firms, know precisely which psychological buttons to press in order to achieve the desired effects within the crowd! They play these dark violin strings with gusto! All we need to do is hold up a mirror to them.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By MarthaA, September 17, 2009 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment


Obama hasn’t said a word. Everything is subjective bull theater in all kinds of ways without any speck of objective evidence whatsoever. Even what President Carter said has been taken out of context by the Right-Wing CONSERVATIVE EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN Echo-chamber.

The Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Republicans have pulled the race card  with the Right’s subjective sophist propaganda signs led by Right-Wing sophist propagandists Glen Beck’s and Dick Armey’s Conservative EXTREMIST Tea Party Demonstrators so that legislators minds will not be on meaningful public health care legislation.

Everything, the whole outrageous Right-Wing Show, even Joe Wilson’s contempt of Congress, has been put on by the Right’s players in hopes that fools will somehow tack the Right’s inferior actions  onto President Obama, but not a chance.

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By PatrickHenry, September 17, 2009 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

I was watching Obermann’s “worst persons” last nite (for a second as I rarely watch MSM anymore) and it was mentioned that Wilson had put on his resume that he was an immigration lawyer.  Further review proved that Wilson was a realty lawyer and had never represented anyone in a immigration case, thereby making Wilson a liar on his own resume.


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By Shane, September 17, 2009 at 10:40 am Link to this comment
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Its funny when the left has lost an argument they pull the race card…why is that?

There is nothing like a bunch of race baiters that will make constituents flee from a candidate faster then anything.  The democratic race baiters, Jimmy Carter, Brian Williams, Chris Mathews, Maureen Dowd et al are going to single handedly cost Obama a second term…if his policies don’t first grin

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By amunaor, September 15, 2009 at 10:02 pm Link to this comment

Why don’t these hate-filled, right-wing, xenophobic, bigots ask those remnants of the indigenous population their forefathers slaughtered, those remnants living in refugee camps, ask them who they think the illegal aliens are? Yes, Joe and his great white European occupiers don’t have a leg to stand on.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By MarthaA, September 15, 2009 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment

POLITICO Breaking News: The House of Representatives of Congress has approved a “Resolution of Disapproval”  against Representative Joe Wilson for his “you lie” outburst last week. The vote was 240-179. For more information…

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By MarthaA, September 15, 2009 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment

POLITICO Breaking News: The House of Representatives has approved a “Resolution of Disapproval” against Representative Joe Wilson for his “you lie” outburst last week. The vote was 240-179. For more information…

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By MarthaA, September 15, 2009 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

POLITICO Breaking News:
The House has approved a resolution of disapproval against Rep. Joe Wilson for his “you lie” outburst last week. The vote was 240-179.

For more information…  http://www.politic

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By aaroncrowe, September 15, 2009 at 11:07 am Link to this comment
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Hey, if the president might be shady concerning certain issues…then someone needs to speak up, right. This is politics, no one can tell me that all that is said, even about the health care reform, that it will take place-plus there are a lot of UN specifics concerning who will get health care benefits…ups, sorry, I got off the subject

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By Shane, September 15, 2009 at 9:11 am Link to this comment
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Hi Carrie,

If you do a search on the internet you will find a ton of amendments that were killed in specifically HR 3200.
There’s no provision for how the prohibition would be enforced, or any requirement for people to prove they are citizens or legal residents before getting health care benefits. In fact, Democrats on the Energy and Commerce and Ways and Means committees defeated Republican-offered amendments that would have required people to verify their legal status before getting care, with some Democrats saying such requirements would be unnecessarily burdensome for people legally entitled to coverage.
Also,  in the House Energy and Commerce Committee there was an amendment that would have explicitly prohibited illegal aliens from receiving health care benefits under the health care reform bill (H.R. 3200). The amendment was narrowly defeated 28-to-29 after two Blue Dog Democrats on the committee voted against the amendment.
My guess is this is a way the Democrats are trying to lockup a new voter block for the future to get Obama relected
Do your research though as there is a ton of stuff just in HR3200 that will blow your mind…for example did you know that 10Billion dollars are going to basically bailout the defunct SEIU healthcare pension plan? Thats 10 Billion tax payer dollars coming out of our pocket that does not need to be because of their nice cadillac healthcare plans.  Its truely amazing!  Good luck.

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By MarthaA, September 14, 2009 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment

POLITICO Breaking News:
House Democratic leaders will move ahead with a “resolution of disapproval” against Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) on Tuesday afternoon, following through on their threat to sanction the conservative lawmaker for heckling President Obama last week.

For more information…

Good.  I hope it is more than just a little slap on the wrist.

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By FredPinVT, September 14, 2009 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment
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PatrickHenry, good thoughts!

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By PatrickHenry, September 14, 2009 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment

No compassion.

I’m against illegal immigration but I think this country is big enough that if an illegal needs medical attention they should get it.

I bet that hayseed backassward state of South Carolina has alot of illegals doing under the table work.  Maybe Obama should open some INS offices throughout that state and enforce the law.

Wilson wouldn’t last an election cycle.

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By Bruce, September 14, 2009 at 12:06 pm Link to this comment
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Very good commentary.

I think the Wilson thing was more planned than is admitted, looking at marketing
ploys, interrupting brands as rebellion, appealing to the inner reptile and short-
ciruiting the higher parts of the brain needed for debate.  One cannot hear or
remember what Obama said when they are riled up by Wilson’s provocations.

I think it is extremely important that this man be punished severely for this,
otherwise what will be remembered from Obama’s address will be “You Lie”,
nothing else.

I am also really tired of CNN’s interference for the right.  When did CNN ever
become so right-wing before?

Obama also blundered again by accepting Joe Wilson’s fake apology
unconditionally, sorry to say, Obama is an idiot to think that you can ignore these
kinds of base bahavior and leave the residual effects to fester like a disease.

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By Shane, September 14, 2009 at 11:12 am Link to this comment
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Carrie and Catherine…I have to give kudos to both of you grin

You are right…this isn’t about Democrats and Republicans.  This is about Obama and his agenda.  You don’t “misstate” the facts when you are a Constitutional Lawyer.  He knows what the laws are.  If Healthcare is federally mandated, he knows based on settle law, even if there is legalize to deny “illegal’s” healthcare, settled law would trump that legalize.  Once federally mandated, you would not be able to deny anyone healthcare regardless of his or her citizenship status period.
Joe Wilson was right on the facts that Democrats shot down two amendments to ban “illegal’s” from getting healthcare, but he still didn’t mention anything about settled law on this matter even if those amendments passed.
This is just one of the issues that will make Obama a one term President.  My guess is that the Radicals he calls Czars will also help that cause.  I am a registered Independent and my Democrat friends are fleeing this guy like the black plague.  He campaigned as a moderate and now they are finally seeing what I told them from the beginning…that he is no moderate and based on his czars…he may very well be a radical.
His closest advisor Valerie Jarret knew about Van Jones and his Radical past…so tell me how Obama was “unaware” of this fact?  He wasn’t.
For all you race baiters…this has nothing to do with race…it has everything to do with policy.  So keep pushing the race card and you will see more and more people leave this President.  If there is one thing a normal person can’t stand, its race baiters.

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By Random Items, September 14, 2009 at 10:27 am Link to this comment
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He would need several promotions to be a idiot.
Got loser in his DNA.

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By debt help, September 14, 2009 at 9:44 am Link to this comment
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i totally love what you said in this post thx for it man i really enjoyed what you have said

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By Scott Hughes, September 14, 2009 at 9:38 am Link to this comment
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Nice post!

I think people are focusing on Wilson, his outburst and his relatively irrelevant argument regarding immigration because they do not feel like addressing the bigger more complicated issue of health care reform in an honest cooperative way.

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By Eric, September 14, 2009 at 6:52 am Link to this comment
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Geez, what have you been smoking?  The media has been in the liberals’ and George Soros’s pocket for YEARS.  Obama has received a pass from them ever since he started running for office.

Get over it, lady.  America is finally waking up to the fact that Obama is just another politician who will do anything to push his own agenda.

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By dihey, September 14, 2009 at 6:33 am Link to this comment

When skinhead Nazis in the former East Germany began to become a serious threat to society a friend of mine went to their meeting places to listen to their comments-provided that they did not shout or insult him-to discuss their apparent grievances and what could be done about them or how these might be changed for a more positive attitude towards society.

It is totally useless to throw epithets at the so-called “far, far right tea-ers” with the pretense that it is exactly known what motivates them and the moniker of “fear” alone is just not good enough for me. But if it is mainly fear what are we going to do to try to remove that fear? Just throw around words? Good luck. We ought to do what my German friend did, talk directly with them and not indirectly on web sites only. Show them that we are not monsters from hell but caring folks.

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By Russian Paul, September 14, 2009 at 3:29 am Link to this comment

Both Wilson and Obama are winning. They both want to table real
health care reform. They both are working to enrich the insurance
companies. They just play different roles. Wilson and the Republicans can play
villian and heckle the president and accuse him of all sorts of nonsense. Obama
and the Democrats can play the good guys and react with humble indignation.
They both look good by playing to their base, but both parties are working to
make sure the final bill enriches the insurance companies. The Dems were the
ones that made sure Single Payer was off the table, and now they are the ones
“compromising” the public option into oblivion.
And now we will be forced to buy private health insurance. And if we refuse we
will be fined. Surely this is change we can believe in!

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By MarthaA, September 13, 2009 at 11:46 pm Link to this comment

Surely a mistake was made on this post as the word should be whining.

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By ChaoticGood, September 13, 2009 at 11:40 pm Link to this comment

“Joe” Wilson is playing to the uneducated and their fears to gain support for his career.  This is normal political manipulation and we should not be surprised. He is winning in his home district and that is all that should matter to him at this time in his career.  These people put him in congress and they are the ones that will keep him there.  He is smart to realize that fact.
Democrats should thank him and encourage his outbursts because Wilson is helping the Democrats get their “second wind”.  The people who should be angry with Wilson are his fellow Republicans.  They are the ones that are getting stained.
So, I say “Thanks, Joe Keep up the good work”.

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By Mary Ann McNeely, September 13, 2009 at 9:07 pm Link to this comment

In 1981, shortly after assuming the presidency, Ronald Reagan claimed there was no longer any racism in the United States.  I remember guffawing loudly and shaking my head.  I’m still doing that.  Degenerate Johnny Rebs like Joe Wilson are being driven absolutely stark raving foaming at the mouth mad by the fact that the president is black.  They are pulling their hair out and have developed ulcers.  This is and will continue to be the ultimate mantra of the equally degenerate Republican party.  They will play it, no matter what.  Obama, however, keeps doing his Stepin Fetchit routine.  He needs to piss in their faces.  However, even if he does, I will not vote for him again in 2012.

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By Commune115, September 13, 2009 at 8:43 pm Link to this comment

In the end corporate power is winning all around. Obama has dumped Single Payer and the final reform bill will no doubt be full of concessions to private insurance companies.

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By GW=MCHammered, September 13, 2009 at 8:39 pm Link to this comment
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No lies here:

“After Al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 Americans, eight
years ago on Friday, we went to war and spent hundreds
of billions of dollars ensuring that this would not
happen again. Yet every two months, that many people
die because of our failure to provide universal
insurance — and yet many members of Congress want us to
do nothing?”

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By MarthaA, September 13, 2009 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment

We MUST press the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Republican babblers to focus on facts, because ALL they say is subjective blather.

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By Carrie, September 13, 2009 at 8:25 pm Link to this comment
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Can you comment on the number of amendments that were voted down in Congress,that would require checking for legal status?  When I listen to Obama, he is spinning talk like a master.  Bottom line, everyone keeps saying the Republicans are to blame for all the opposition, but I go to lunch with 4 democrats and 1 republican, and I can tell you Obama had support from 4 of us in 2008, and right now he has zero support from any of us.  Obama has HIS own agenda.  At lunch we refer to him now as Kim Obama.  The guy is doing this to himself by the choices he is making!  Definitely a 1 term president, all by his own doings!

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By TheRealFish, September 13, 2009 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

Yes. Right. Winning.

And in 2005 he voted in support of a health care bill that granted health care to illegal immigrants.

Yeah. Nothing wrong here. He’s winning because it the latest Corporate Mass Media script line, and we’re supposed to go running in terror from this Super Powerful 30% of the US population that cannot be stopped.

Unless we focus on facts and the truth.

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By dgy, September 13, 2009 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment
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You want facts?  I doubt it:

so who is lying?

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By Little John, September 13, 2009 at 7:08 pm Link to this comment
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Well, Congressman Wilson.  I probably would have done exactly what you did.  That’s why I am not a Congressman.  I would find myself being politically Incorrect almost as much as needed.

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By Wally Wolf, September 13, 2009 at 6:34 pm Link to this comment
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Corporations own the media and they are having a ball and find it very profitable to feed the “frenzies.  The extreme right-wing crazies believe just about everything that’s thrown at them.  Who would have ever believed that anyone in their right mind would believe a Glen Beck or a Rush Limbaugh?  No wonder Rush was on pain pills.  It has to hurt to keep up that intensity of hatred.

If Joe Wilson is winning then America is losing.

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By Clonakilty32, September 13, 2009 at 6:24 pm Link to this comment
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Joe Wilson a.k.a. Total Jerkoff.

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By Catherine, September 13, 2009 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment
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Ill informed white people?!  Speak for yourself! I happen to be white, very
informed and I voted for Obama. After watching him put highly questionable
people in place and hope for fair and smart healthcare reform-he has lost my
support—I am astounded at any support for a public option! THAT wasn’t
mentioned when he was campaigning- Just because I made a mistake with my
vote doesn’t mean I’ll continue on in that vein. If any kind of public option bill
gets passed—he will be a one term president-I guarantee—you may be digging
in your heels no matter what in your blind support, but I can tell you the majority
of my friends who voted for Obama are disgusted as well!

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By PatrickHenry, September 13, 2009 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

He needs a pointy white hood to make him complete.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, September 13, 2009 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment
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Why do democrats always run for cover whenever the
right wing-nuts get rowdy?  These people have known
that democrats are afraid of them ever since Florida
2000.  This will probably end with Obama apologizing to
Wilson.  Obama is going to be facing this for three and
a half more years.  He hasn’t seen anything yet.  Being
nice is not the answer.  What would Johnson, Truman,
and FDR do?

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By FredPinVT, September 13, 2009 at 4:51 pm Link to this comment

The Tea march of 9/12 claims the president is not
listening. It is they who are not listening, to the
voted mandate by the American people in last years
elections! FIX HEALTHCARE!! Yes, I remember!

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By Existentialist, September 13, 2009 at 4:07 pm Link to this comment
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Oh gee, the Republicans and the Democrats are pointing fingers at each other and name-calling again.  Both are complaining that one is deliberately trying to hurt the others’ feelings.  What’s new.

Let’s get rid of both of these tired, old parties.  Let’s start fresh.  We need better symbols other than donkeys or elephants.  I don’t want to be either.  I’m not either. 

I hope I don’t get marginalized and lumped in with the ‘tea baggers’ just because I’m critical of this administration.  The last administration left the better part of my youth completely disenchanted, politically.  I’ve been on guard for government and MSM BS since.

This new man just uses pretty words to flatter people into a false sense of security, but the door is still wide open for all to see the level of plutocracy, and corruption still going on in government at the expense of tax payers.

And who’s allowing the plutocracy?  Your Democratic and Republican leaders of government that have been bought in election after election. 

This name-calling, and this MEDIA SPECTACLE is just a DISTRACTION, people.  It’s just distracting us from the real issues, the real things that the government and congress are going to slip around our short attention spans. 

What scares me in the cult of personality surrounding Mr. Obama, is that are people going to be made fun of for criticizing anything the Obama administration does?  So far, his has not been a very honest, open administration (I’ll give you examples:  his campaign promise over NAFTA not being kept, or his price fixing with Big Pharma, despite telling the American people it would not happen—Big Pharma unwilling to give up more than 80 billion).

There are a lot of people legitimately wondering what’s going to happen with our country.  I see many great comments critical of plutocracy on here.  I hope that we don’t get shoved to the side, in the creation of the spectacle that anyone that questions the administration and its corporate, zionist inspired motives is a loony. 

That would only give future presidents more control over their image.

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By MarthaA, September 13, 2009 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment

Because the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST REPUBLICANS own the media, the media that ONCE belonged to the citizens of the United States, POLITICALLY the media is NOT used in the best interest of the citizens, but against the best interest of citizens to support Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST REPUBLICANS’ repugnant and repulsive political skulduggery for the political benefit of ONLY the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST REPUBLICANS and their servitors of the lumpen-proletariat at the expense of the 70% MAJORITY Common Population.

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By FredPinVT, September 13, 2009 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

CNN, FOX, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC and the rest, please
gather your friends. There are some legit postings
here! Are you listening??

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By FredPinVT, September 13, 2009 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment

If you’re interested, there are no winners, only
losers, you and I… The American people, children,
elderly and the needy. And because we take no passion
in others we lose by default. We are all idiots for
ignoring the real issues and spitting hateful
rhetorics about little nothings at each other. As we
come into winter with higher oil prices, supporting
the economies of those who want US dead. More foreign
oil, more Chinese products poisoning our children,
losing jobs to China and Mexico and yet paying top
dollar for a 50 cent pair of shoes? Shirts from
Pakistan where Al-Qaeda lives and thrives. WE, are
our own worst enemy because we are all blindly
stupid! We don’t know who to fight! Who is your
enemy? Obama?? They said smarts, not farts.

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By cyrena, September 13, 2009 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

“....who is now the national poster boy for the disaffected and ill-informed white people hurling tea bags and insults at the president.”

I LOVE it!!! I couldn’t have said it better myself, (at least not something that would have been fit for print - smile

For instance, “ill-informed” white people is very kind. I’d surely say something far less charitable, but equally truthful.

Thanks to whomever wrote this…

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By gstoddard, September 13, 2009 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment

Here we go again. The media, driven by the need for ratings, focuses on the
minutia and creates a celebrity out of an act of stupidity and rudeness. When I
read Chris Hedges’ book, “Empire of Illusion : The End of Literacy and the Triumph
of Spectacle” I thought “Surely we can’t be that stupid.”  The media continues to
prove him more right than I want to admit.

Health reform is needed this year. Can’t the media, during this difficult time do a
better job of focusing on the issues and be responsible.


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By Fat Freddy, September 13, 2009 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment

According to Carville, there’s a lot of money flowing into SC on both sides. Perhaps, I’m in the wrong line of work.

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By MarthaA, September 13, 2009 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

Winning what?  Joe Wilson is a pitiful idiot loser.

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By Wally Wolf, September 13, 2009 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment
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Just exactly is Joe winning?  He may be getting money from the extreme right-wing screamers and nuts, but his opponent is racking in the cash as well.  Joe Wilson is the poster boy for racists and extreme right-wing radicals in America.

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By Chuck Thomas, September 13, 2009 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment
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Shame on Joe Wilson.  “Spontaneous Response” is no excuse.  Mr. Wilson went into the halls of Congress with HATE in his heart.  Irrational hate.  So when he cowardly claims that is was “spontaneous” I am compelled to blurt out, YOU LIE!

What a cheap trick to gain $200,000. 

If he had any class he’d give the money back.

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