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What Torture Never Told Us

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Posted on Sep 6, 2009
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Many intelligence professionals have categorically disapproved of torture, claiming it both ineffective and counterproductive. Former FBI agent Ali H. Soufan writes of the mountains of good information uncovered with traditional interrogation procedures in contrast to the erroneous and unproductive intelligence gleaned from torture.  —J.C.

The New York Times:

Pulic bravado aside, the defenders of the so-called enhanced interrogation techniques are fast running out of classified documents to hide behind. The three that were released recently by the C.I.A. — the 2004 report by the inspector general and two memos from 2004 and 2005 on intelligence gained from detainees — fail to show that the techniques stopped even a single imminent threat of terrorism.

The inspector general’s report distinguishes between intelligence gained from regular interrogation and from the harsher methods, which culminate in waterboarding. While the former produces useful intelligence, according to the report, the latter “is a more subjective process and not without concern.” And the information in the two memos reinforces this differentiation.

They show that substantial intelligence was gained from pocket litter (materials found on detainees when they were captured), from playing detainees against one another and from detainees freely giving up information that they assumed their questioners already knew. A computer seized in March 2003 from a Qaeda operative for example, listed names of Qaeda members and money they were to receive.

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By dihey, September 7, 2009 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

One of the recurrent justifications of water boarding is that “we did it to our own soldiers”. Whenever this argument was used on TV news programs I was waiting for the news person to point out to the “justifier” that our soldiers are not prisoners hence can refuse to be water boarded albeit at the risk of being thrown out of the armed forces. I am still waiting to hear this absolutely killing rebuttal.

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By jack, September 7, 2009 at 8:47 am Link to this comment
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Go into it and you find this:

“It is surprising, as the eighth anniversary of 9/11 approaches, that none of Al
Qaeda’s top leadership is in our custody. One damaging consequence of the
harsh interrogation program was that the expert interrogators whose skills
were deemed unnecessary to the new methods were forced out.”


wrong analysis:

torture is intended to terrorize everyone, everywhere - the myth-encrusted Al
Queda is more useful at large - this article is one more in an endless string of
limited hangouts - this reporter’s either a rich asset, or is being played - point
in fact: KSM is dead -
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/DJ30Df01.html

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By Ouroborus, September 7, 2009 at 6:15 am Link to this comment

WHAT TORTURE NEVER TOLD US;
But, it did tell us so much about us! No?

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By Jean-David, September 7, 2009 at 6:09 am Link to this comment
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The author misses the point.

Torture is hugely successful. The reason people think it is not is because they believe people are tortured to get information, and this is not the case. They are tortured to intimidate the citizens, to tell them that if they do not conform to what the government and its owners want, the same can happen to them. And it works.

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By Rodger Lemonde, September 6, 2009 at 8:06 pm Link to this comment

Dale, better yet torture Dick Cheney. He would probably
admit to anything to vindicate his position on torture.
On the down side he might be kinky enough to enjoy it.

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By Dale Headley, September 6, 2009 at 11:35 am Link to this comment
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Don’t you get it?  Who cares whether torture is right or wrong; whether it works
or not?  America is uniquely empowered among nations to do whatever it wishes. 
Germany, Japan, and other despotic entities in our historical iconography, were
wrong to torture; and America righteously saw to it that many of the torturers
were executed.  America, on the other hand, is special; it may torture anybody it
wishes for any reason it wishes because it is America.  Just ask Dick Cheney.

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