You did see that I do not want it to happen didn’t you? But that is what the most nationalist, racist and fanatical of the Zionists have been working toward since 1948. Ever since the USA has joined in protecting Israel in the 1960’s they have ultimately protected what Israel does. Even now I don’t expect anything to stop the settlements from being constructed and expanded. You can see how their patient means of attrition and terrorism have removed millions of Palestinians off their land over that time. It isn’t my “Wet Dream” but it is theirs. All the information is there to come to that conclusion from what has been published. Simple but sad.

Night-Gaunt.

If Solution #4 is your “wet dream” you’re going to have to kill (get rid of) close to 6
million Palestenians.

Can just imagine how the rest of the world’s 1.4 billion muslims will react.

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Omop you left out number four.

4) A ONE STATE SOLUTION of Jews only. [Worst of the solutions but most likely if trends continue.]

Isn’t that what the Zionists truly want? A Jewish nation-state, only for Jews as citizens and all others are guests and below the citizen. [See Kuwait for a similar situation.]

dihey:

Are you saying there are NO solutions OR are you saying that Israel is the
ultimate decision maker as to what the Palestenian STATE will be like ?

Some months back a European website commented that in two decades the
STATE OF ISRAEL will cease to exist.

In any case the US because of past follies in its ME policies will have much to
lose ( a Salam Alleykum by Obama aint gonna do it) if it does not enforce an
equitable solution asap.

This is back to the fake liberalism of Clinton. Madeleine Albright would cluck
every one in a while that Israeli settlement expansion was “not helpful”, but it
proceeded on an enormous scale throughout the 90s, with ever-more-generous
American largess backing it up. When it comes to Israel, we live in a one party
state, and that party is the ‘Israel uber alles’ party.

OMOP

It is obvious from the conditions in the former British mandate of Palestine that the UN did not create two states in 1947. The UN only divided the mandate into a crazy-quilt pattern of numerous “Jewish” and “Arab” segments and defined the conditions under which the UN would accept self-generated “Jewish” or “Arabic” statehood, the most important of which was: recognition of the other state.

I have always held that the UN committed political suicide by that 1947 act. Where on Earth did the UN find the justification/power to carve up the mandate which it had inherited from the “League of Nations”? The truth is that no member of the UN wanted to take any responsibility for the former mandate. Imagine that the UN had existed in 1860. Would that UN have sanctioned the partitioning of the USA into USA and CSA? Given the track record on Palestine since 1947 the answer is: “you bet”.

The only THREE solutions that will produce SALLAM (SHALOM)

  1. Continued military actions/occupation by Israel that in time will be met with
an equal military by the Palestenians and their friends. (SOME SOLUTION!)

  2. For Israel to accept IN TOTO original UN resolutions that created it and the
Palestenian state. (2 STATE SOLUTION)

  3. The emergence/convergence of ONE STATE. (A RATIONAL SOLUTION)

  For the US the imperative option is better act fast as prestige and stature are
fast fading.

Rebuke hell, cut the funding. We could use that money for healthcare, and to upgrade our infrastructure and education.

Folktruther, September 6 at 2:23 am #

Obama is pro-Palistinian in the same way he is socialist, the charges of right wingers to push him to the right.  Brooks in the Zionist NYTimes has maintained in a recent collumn that Obama has been so leftist recently that it is time to rebalance to the right.  The usual bullshit of right wingers and Zionists.  Especially those from New Jersey.
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Typical ultra-“progressive” (translation: ivory-tower socialist) analysis.  Pure irrational gibberish based on nothing but impotent frustration.

Come to NJ and enjoy feeding our state bird and rolling in our state flower! 

(They are, of course, the Greenhead mosquito and Poison Ivy.)

Obama is pro-Palistinian in the same way he is socialist, the charges of right wingers to push him to the right.  Brooks in the Zionist NYTimes has maintained in a recent collumn that Obama has been so leftist recently that it is time to rebalance to the right.  The usual bullshit of right wingers and Zionists.  Especially those from New Jersey.

Folktruther, September 5 at 12:17 pm #

If the US suspended money and trade with Israel, the increase in settlements would not only stop, but Israel would negotiate a two state solution.  But Obama, the figurehead of a Zionist administration, to tacitly supporting Netanyahu as his Zionist neoliberals demand.  And the function of the NYTimes, Washington Post and Truthdig is to confuse the progressive rank and file to prevent them from clearly understanding this, both intellectually and emotionally.
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Thank God we have his Holy Prophet, Folktruther to make clear that the facts we see and observe are not real and that He is here to tell us The Truth.

Funny thing, though, I just read and interview in the New York Times from last Sunday with Norman Podhoretz, godfather of the neo-cons and here’s what HE said:

(i) What you’re overlooking is that many American Jews on the left are passionately pro-Israel.

(P) It’s a crazy idea, but the Palestinians have been identified with the putative victims of European colonialism. Obama has now returned to the old idea that Israel is the main obstacle to peace in the Middle East.

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So….arch-“progressive” FT tells us Obama is a Zionist and not going to do anything to rein in Israel’s excesses under Netanyahu.  As we know from multiple posts, this is why FolkTruther detests and hates President Obama.

Meanwhile….arch-neocon Podhoretz tells us Obama is pro-Palestinian and is going to screw the Israelis to benefit the Palestinians. We know from the rhetoric from the neo-cons that this is why Podhoretz detests and hates President Obama.

Gang, they can’t BOTH be right.  Their totally incompatible interpretations of Obama indicate they are BOTH out in the ozone. At least one is wrong and, while FT is ALWAYS wrong, I find that in most of his analysis, Podhoretz is pretty much JUST as wrong, too.

What should be obvious as that BOTH FT and Podhoretz are “religious” fanatics who can’t see the forest for the trees, and who are both, always, inevitably wrong because they PREJUDGE and toss out conflicting evidence.

Suppose that my neighbor had encroached for years on my property while the “police” had ignored my complaints. Would I give any credibility to the “police” which now suddenly tells my neighbor that he is a scoundrel but takes no action?

The head of this column is precisely the kind of Progressive deceit that deludes the American progressive rank and file.  Obama is NOT condemning the colonial settlements; this is merely lipservice as an ideoloigical sop to progressives, like Outraged.  The US has traditionally FINANCED these settlements and it is continuing to do so.

If the US suspended money and trade with Israel, the increase in settlements would not only stop, but Israel would negotiate a two state solution.  But Obama, the figurehead of a Zionist administration, to tacitly supporting Netanyahu as his Zionist neoliberals demand.  And the function of the NYTimes, Washington Post and Truthdig is to confuse the progressive rank and file to prevent them from clearly understanding this, both intellectually and emotionally.

September 1, 2009

Gross Violations of Human Rights

Why Not Sanctions for Israel?

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

“In Israel, a country stolen from the Palestinians, fanatics control the government. One of the fanatics is the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. Last week Netanyahu called for “crippling sanctions” against Iran.

The kind of blockade that Netanyahu wants qualifies as an act of war. Israel has long threatened to attack Iran on its own but prefers to draw in the US and NATO.

Why does Israel want to initiate a war between the United States and Iran?

Is Iran attacking other countries, bombing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure?

No. These are crimes committed by Israel and the US.

Is Iran evicting peoples from lands they have occupied for centuries and herding them into ghettoes?

No, that’s what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians for 60 years.

What is Iran doing?

Iran is developing nuclear energy, which is its right as a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Iran’s nuclear energy program is subject to inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which consistently reports that its inspections find no diversion of enriched uranium to a weapons program.

The position taken by Israel, and by Israel’s puppet in Washington, is that Iran must not be allowed to have the rights as a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty that every other signatory has, because Iran might divert enriched uranium to a weapons program.

In other words, Israel and the US claim the right to abrogate Iran’s right to develop nuclear energy. The Israeli/US position has no basis in international law or in anything other than the arrogance of Israel and the United States.

The hypocrisy is extreme. Israel is not a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty and developed its nuclear weapons illegally on the sly, with, as far as we know, US help.

As Israel is an illegal possessor of nuclear weapons and has a fanatical government that is capable of using them, crippling sanctions should be applied to Israel to force it to disarm.

Israel qualifies for crippling sanctions for another reason. It is an apartheid state, as former US President Jimmy Carter demonstrated in his book, Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid.

The US led the imposition of sanctions against South Africa because of South Africa’s apartheid practices. The sanctions forced the white government to hand over political power to the black population. Israel practices a worse form of apartheid than did the white South African government. Yet, Israel maintains that it is “anti-semitic” to criticize Israel for a practice that the world regards as abhorrent.

What remains of the Palestinian West Bank that has not been stolen by Israel consists of isolated ghettoes. Palestinians are cut off from hospitals, schools, their farms, and from one another. They cannot travel from one ghetto to another without Israeli permission enforced at checkpoints.

The Israeli government’s explanation for its gross violation of human rights comprises one of the greatest collection of lies in world history. No one, with the exception of American “christian zionists,” believes one word of it.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts09012009.html

Quote:  ”“The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued settlement expansion and we urge that it stop,” White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said.”

I imagine all will interpret this statement in their own way, but to me this says, STOP IT, in the nicest sort of way.  If Israel is cognizant, they’ll take note.  If they want to play hardball, I think that maybe they engage the “wrong” opponent.  They’d do well, to think…. and maybe think again.

Stupidity… as in beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.  It needs to be recognized that the outcome of the one, might vary considerably from the outcome of the other.  Somewhat of a “cause and effect” situation rather than opinion.

We don’t NEED Israel, end of story.

Expressing “regret” is not equal to “condemning” as the title of the piece puts it. This is another exercise in word gimmicks not worthy the ink used to write it and attempting to pass it as a serious piece of news worth reporting.

There is nothing new under the sun regarding Israeli-American fascist policies to continue giving the Zionist-fascist entity time to create hard facts on the ground and irreversible situations.

Palestinians must not be duped by these delaying and deceiving tactics; they must raise hell under the cowardly feet of the marauders occupiers like nothing they have done before to dismantle occupation, including some serious bombing of Israeli infrastructure and sources of livelihood!

Under the laws of the jungle which Zionist-Fascists continue to practice as their most fundamental value, Palestinians must remember that what was stolen by force must be recovered by force; for nothing blunts steel but fire and harder steel!

Dang apartheid doers! Bad bad bad. U.S. gives Israel a “strong rebuke” and
expresses “regret”? Oh bull-wash! Maybe if the U.S. cut the damn money supply
to Israel off at the knees, that would be a strong expression. Israel sucks and their
stealing land from and brutality to Palestinians is a crime against humanity.

“Our objective remains to resume meaningful negotiations as soon as possible in pursuit of this goal,” the White House said. “We are working with all parties—Israelis, Palestinians, and Arab states—on the steps they must take to achieve that objective.”—George Mitchell Chief negotiator

But the history has been of useless and self sabotaged negotiations to make sure it looks like the Great Benefactor is on both sides even as it leans always to Israel. Such farces are too dangerous to be funny. Only tragic for those they are dealing dirty with. In this case the helpless Palestinians.

Only if I see all those billions withheld and arms and other benefits restricted will I even consider the administration to be serious on this matter. If only.