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The Right’s Trouble With Violence

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Posted on Aug 18, 2009
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The Cheaper Than Dirt gun store in Fort Worth, Texas, experienced record sales the day after Barack Obama was elected president.

With angry white men bringing their guns too close to the president, Josh Marshall writes: “Let’s be honest with ourselves: the American right has a deep-seated problem with political violence. It’s deep-seated; it’s recurrent and it’s real.”

For all the hatred of President Bush, Marshall explains, the last administration saw nothing like the Oklahoma City bombing or attempt on President Clinton’s life in terms of domestic political violence.

Josh Marshall / Talking Points Memo via Daily Kos:

It’s true that there are some regional divergences at work here. Weapons just don’t get carried around in public in say New Jersey or Connecticut the way they do in the South or especially the west.

But let’s be honest about what this is about. The right—the modern American right—has a very troubled history with political violence. The ideological pattern is clear going back at least thirty years and arguably far longer. A simple review of the 1990s, particularly 1993, 1994, culminating in many respects in the tragic 1995 bombing of the Oklahoma City Federal building in April 1995 tells the tale. Mix in the militias, the thankfully inept attempt on President Clinton’s life a few months before Oklahoma City (see Francisco Duran) and it’s all really not a pretty picture.

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By DissentFromDayOneDOTcom, August 20, 2009 at 4:08 am Link to this comment

Anyone who is still arguing “right vs. left” is being played. Articles from morons like this about the “right’s” supposed propensity to violence (ummm, Waco and Clinton/Reno anyone? Bueller?) It’s all B.S. They’re all the same.

It’s the RISING RULING CLASS vs. the rest of us.

And what will the rising ruling class put between them and us?

Guns. Weapons. VIOLENT protectors who will kill you and your family.

It’s happening now. Bush, Clinton, Bush, and now Obama, who is finalizing the prep because HE IS THE MESSIAH for the sheeple.

Good gawd people….wake the h*ll up. Every. Single. Promise. made by Obama broken. He is the prior administration’s war policies on steroids.

You better turn off the TV or you will be churned up by history’s next despotic machine…fascist Amerika.

Josh Marshall must have *really* been looking for something to write about….yawn…Gotta earn that slave-check from Soros.

Google “Georgia Guidestones” and read “commandment #1.” I suspect Josh Marshall won’t be one of the 500 million. Will you?

It’s the eugenics, stupid.

I recommend a Remington 870, stored food, Berkey water system, and Silver Solution for health.

Let’s rock. Let’s roll.

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By ThatDeborahGirl, August 19, 2009 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment
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Folktruther said it a lot nicer than I had planned to.

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By Taoseno, August 19, 2009 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment
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As if we needed to be reminded….there are a LOT of crazy stupid people in this country, not to mention the malevolent ones in DC.

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By Night-Gaunt, August 19, 2009 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

I assume, Jack you mean “patsies and dupes?” You can actually take the time to at least look it over and the misspellings (and those it doesn’t know) will be underlined in red.

I would agree with your analysis and many others here. Just the fact of the so-called “fear of having my guns confiscated” as the reason to hide their white supremacy hatred of black people, especially one actually in the Highest Office in the Land is terrible. And telling about all that hidden racism comes out in an ugly evil fashion.

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By jack, August 19, 2009 at 11:37 am Link to this comment
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missing the obvious - these sorts of provocations are intended to keep the so-
call Left and Right at one another’s throats - distracted from the global financial
crooks, calling the shots to rob us all and ruin developing nations - don’t be
blinded by fear and hate - the gun toters are not your enemies - they’re either
agents, pasties or dups

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By Louise, August 19, 2009 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

Reminds me of that monster truck thing. The bigger the truck the smaller the ... well you know.

So I guess the bigger the gun the smaller the, uh, little thing ... certainly the capacity to think. Which may be why some men carry their brain around in that little thing.

No thinking person is going to encourage a multitude of idiots packing loaded guns in a crowd full of people. Especially when there might be kids in that crowd. Most especially when so many in that crowd are angry and don’t even know why!

I mean they know they’re angry because of lies, but they don’t know why the lies make them angry! And even scarrier, they know they are lies. And most scary of all, they prefer the lies, and don’t know the truth because they don’t WANT to know the truth! Spreading lies and fear, and waving around the big thing so nobody will notice the lttle thing, is much more fun.

Small minds are so easily entertained.

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By purplewolf, August 19, 2009 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

People, including a reporter who often posts on TD were beaten and arrested and threatened with the charge of being a terrorist simply by being in the street outside of the McCain/Palin Republican convention last fall. Attacked by gestapo style goons for trying to take pictures outside of the building, just trying to do the job that reporters do in the Bush regimen. This was common during the Repug. convention to physically abuse reporters, protesters-even the non-violent people including tourist and other citizens not involved with the political protests who were in the area of a rep. event. But gun toting radical right-wingers are left to walk around in public with loaded weapons(which no doubt they are) strapped on legs, where a child could easily gain access to or strapped on the shoulder-ever hear how purse snatchers cut the straps and took peoples purses away unknown to the victim at the time? The same could be done to those who tote assault rifles on their shoulders and with a good thief, the gun owner would not realize it was gone until it was too late. Especially a hopped up emotionally immature fringie member.

As a licensed CCW holder, the state I live in recently has allowed us the right to carry our weapons in more places than before. But still, most people I know would never go to a town hall meeting or public rallies or protests packing heat. Most are responsible gun owners,something those who carry to these events seem not to be.

No, anyone who so openly displays their guns, along with their ignorance at these town hall meetings should be detained and kept away from the public for everyone else’s safety. These people have shown they had no control over their behavior and actions and have already injured people they feel are “the enemy” with their brutish actions. If this type of stunt had occurred at a Bush meeting, those who had the guns would never be heard or seen again, and their families and most of their contacts, as per Bush laws written down that you can be permanently detained with no rights to anything if a friend of a friend of a friend who heard someone say something bad about the Bushco, you were equally guilty, even if you never know or heard of them,as well-it is written into law July 2006-or 2007 by Bush. It went into law about the time Bush made it against the law to protest against his war and him and anything else he did. Childish attitude and behavior from a grown man who abused power.

Let’s hope no one gets shot by these out of control, insecure, ignorant and gullible,teabaggers, birthers, deathers, right wing radical fundie fringe, whack jobs sheeple, doing the dirty work for the elite ober-rich corps and oligarchy who use these pathetic morons as pawns.

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By LostHills, August 19, 2009 at 10:15 am Link to this comment

I must have missed the part where the constitution guarrantees the right of beligerant thugs to intimidate and suppress political speech with death threats and displays of weapons. I’ll look again, but I don’t think it’s in there….

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By Jean Gerard, August 19, 2009 at 9:51 am Link to this comment
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Folktruther hits it straight on:  We are a nation built on gun violence and still depend on it to intimidate the world and dominate capital and resources.  Not that others are immune:  the gun has great appeal to all those who value power over human decency and are easily deceived into self-righteousness. But we have to get over it!  Otherwise we will keep on until we destroy the human race.  How to get over it?  Empathy.  Conscience.  Knowledge.  Love. It’s not like this is the first time these ideas have been advocated. Shall we dance?  Or shall we turn the world into one huge atomic wasteland?

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By paul, August 19, 2009 at 8:18 am Link to this comment
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The original photos on CNN showed that one of the men carrying an assault rifle in Arizona was black and part of a publicity stunt. Not that this makes things any better, just more complicated than we’d like to believe.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2009/08/obama_townhall_gun_toters_have.html

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By xyzaffair, August 19, 2009 at 7:58 am Link to this comment
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Signs reading “Death to Obama” and “Death to Michelle and her two stupid kids” appeared at a town meeting in Maryland hosted by Democratic Senator Benjamin Cardin.

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By Kim Bezak, August 19, 2009 at 7:26 am Link to this comment
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I know its been said before but what if a “liberal” had brought a gun to a GWB rally. People were asked to leave that just wore a t-shirt that said “buck fush”. Disgusting…and God forbid something should happen to our president..you know who will be yelling the loudest that..“its not our fault”.

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By Mark Wrede, August 19, 2009 at 7:02 am Link to this comment
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The ultimate proof of the problem of the right wing with violence lies at Arlington Cemetery. JFK took a 38 slug in the throat that lodged in his neck vertebrae. It was fired by Charles Nicoletti from behind a phalanx of members of the John Birch Society lining Elm Street in frame 187 of the Zapruder film, as JFK is looking back over his right shoulder. The slug was removed during the flight from Dallas to the autopsy at Bethesda while the body was in the custody of the Secret Service with surgical equipment by a member of the DIA with field medical experience. It is past time the public demanded the forensic evidence that it has been denied for 46 years.

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By Purple Girl, August 19, 2009 at 6:28 am Link to this comment

“God and Guns”  has a longer history than merely ours of societal disasters. In fact we see the current catastrophe playing out in Afganistan,Iraq- Armed Religous Fervor is the ‘Beast’ of Humanity.
What weapon did Christ weild, What ‘Army’ did he command, in his ministries? Or does he even use to dispence with Satan’s legions in Revelations?Christ did not,does not, need Armorment, nor soldiers to convince others of ‘The Word’.so apparently God doesn’t require or desire It be spread by force, either.All other crusades in the name of Christianity have been fought through the means of Men.
It’s not just Oxymoronic to claim to be a ‘soldier for Christ’, It blashpemous and heretical, clearly indicated by the very story of His life. He was not Armed and Dangerous- That was the Romans.
These ‘Guns and God’ Folks are treading on shaking ground in what constitutes a Real Christian and what does not. Only difference between them and the Islamic extremeist- Hear Gear, Turban or Camo Ball cap is the only discernible difference.
Please don’t tell me you believe in the Word of Christ while you have a handgun straped to your leg or an automatic rifle slung over your shoulder, It insults my intelligence and my ideology.

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By NYCartist, August 19, 2009 at 6:00 am Link to this comment

Why is this the first Presidential administration where it’s considered OK to talk about bringing guns
near the President?  Disconnect and racism.

I have one Republican pal, in the South.  My pal is
forbidden to discuss anything political with me.  (Saves wear and tear on me.  Why are we pals?  We have the same unusual physical illness.)
If I were to discuss politics with my pal, or any Republican, or racist, I would ask:
  please list the differences between Obama’s administration’s policies and “W” Bush’s.  Except for the vague health plan (I support single-payer),
where’s the “change”?  (Possibly one or two on the environment?)

  I read a good article on Znet which I recommend:
Paul Street’s Aug. 15, 2009 Znet article, “...Obama
and the Corporate ‘Punking’ of America”,
http://www.zcommunications.org/znet

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By Outraged, August 19, 2009 at 3:11 am Link to this comment

Quote: “Let’s be honest with ourselves: the American right has a deep-seated problem with political violence. It’s deep-seated; it’s recurrent and it’s real. And it endangers the country. It just makes sense to say something the first time they hit the sauce and not wait for things to get really out of hand.”

Truer words were never spoken.  To be a bit more conceptual, it isn’t guns per se… it’s about violence, it’s about fear, it’s about intimidation,  it’s about threat, it’s about control, it’s about them.  This has nothing to do with you, it’s about them.

THEY want, THEY think, THEY need, THEY will tell you what, THEY have “extra” rights, THEY matter more, THEY have needs, THEY want every last person on the face of the planet to bow to their ideology.

THEY have convinced themselves that THEY are more important than everyone else.  And I guarantee you, THEY very truly believe that.

But you… YOU, on the other hand, supposedly won’t “listen”, so now…. THEY need a gun.

THEY are wossies… of THE HIGHEST FUCKIN’ ORDER.  THEY can’t stand on their own two feet without a gun or a threat (one kind or another), what does that tell you….?

THEY have the very same mentality as child molesters and wife beaters, the whole world should revolve around them.

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By jack, August 19, 2009 at 1:47 am Link to this comment
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gun-totin’ loons at public rallies etc., look a lot more like agents provocateurs than red necks too stupid to think their expensive guns can’t be taken from them for good - this feisty left/right rolling rumble serves nobody but the elites - don’t buy into it

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By Folktruther, August 19, 2009 at 1:19 am Link to this comment

I am also in favor of simplicity.  But I don’t think the answer is taking away guns, but in acknowledging America’s history of homicidal racism.  The US was founding on the ethnic cleansing of the indians, the slavery of African-americans, the stealing of half of Mexico from Hispanics, the imprisonment of Japanese citizens in concentration camps, and the mass murder of millions of non-White peoples in wars.  Leading at the present time to the murder of dark-skinned Muslims in the War on Terrorism.

Telling the simple truth about homicidal racism in the US, the holistic truth about American history, is incompatible with the mainstream bullshit that conceals it.  As James Baldwin said, our history is more terrible than we know, or want to know.  but until we bring it out into the open, to become conscious of it, it will smolder in the hatred of right wing loonies and, more discreetly, in the bourgeois racism of Progressives.

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By ChaoticGood, August 19, 2009 at 12:57 am Link to this comment

If you want to understand the political right, all you have to do is read their cars and refrigerator doors.

Their simple philosophies are all over them…
“Government isn’t the solution, it is the problem”
“America Love it or leave it”
“Might makes right”
“We eat, so we hunt”
ad nauseam….

They live in a world populated by people with “Black Hats” and “White Hats”, were a six-gun was the great leveler and Ronald Reagan was triumphant.

It is very simple to live in this world and for those whose brains hurt when confronting complexity, it is a comfortable painless world.  It is a world they will defend with their guns and rationalize their barbarity with calls to heed the second amendment.

The best way to bottle up this gun culture is to increase the power of individual states to regulate guns.  Those states who glorify the gun culture can arm everyone and have duels at dawn if they wish.  The rest of us can have reasonable gun controls and those who think they are “yosemite Sam”, can move to of the rootin-tootin states where they are appreciated.

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