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Democrats Gut Union BillPosted on Jul 17, 2009
Senate Democrats aren’t doing their friends in organized labor any favors. Lawmakers have decided to strip out the basic reform in the proposed Employee Free Choice Act that would make creating unions much easier—the whole point of the bill. But all may not be lost. Andy Stern, president of the SEIU—a smart, growing and politically savvy union—says he expects “a vote on a majority sign-up provision in the final bill or by amendment in both houses of Congress.”
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By The Skeptical Cynic, July 20, 2009 at 11:44 am Link to this comment
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The rationality of Fat Freddie’s Cat"s comment ceased to exist after the third word.
And as one who has spent more than forty years as a union representative and organizer I can state from personal experience that Fredic Dennis Williams’ comment are so far removed from reality/rationality as to be contemptibly stupid to the point of criminality.
It is this mentality and gullibility of so many of his ilk that has has been pivotal in the economic mental down of the nation, just about the greatest maldistribution of wealth in this nation’s history, the shrinking of a once viable middle class, an adjusted for inflation in actual decrease in income of the middle 60% percentile of Americans over the last 35+ years.
As the more erudite Bugs Bunny would say “What a maroon!”
Report thisBy KDelphi, July 19, 2009 at 10:06 pm Link to this comment
Really nice the way the NYT article presents “both sides” in a “fair and balanced way” as though both sides were equally powerful and deserve equal consideraton!
Yeah, the lineworker has just as much power as the CEO…Unions and Dems sell out again. They werent “swayed” as the NYT says,—they were bought and paid for.
Frederic—Even been threatened by a Union Busting Attoney? Didnt think so. Many of us have been…I can see why anti-Union, anti-lawsuit people move to the US—Hitchens gives these two reaons for becoming a US citizen.
US—where everyone is bought and sold like a whore.
Report thisBy OzarkMichael, July 19, 2009 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment
hippie4said: Personally, I’m nonviolent and never wish harm on others; it’s bad karma. But frankly, the way he’s going, Obama may not reach the end of his term.
I understand that you dont wish for anything to happen to Obama and neither do I. But lets also agree that Obama does not deserve in any way to be harmed. He isnt earning bad karma. There are crazy people out there whether Obama decides to dump billions of dolars into the unions or not.
Report thisBy Bopper, July 19, 2009 at 9:49 am Link to this comment
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MAKE THEM VOTE. if you don’t make them vote then the people who shaft you can say they didn’t vote against it. Make the republicans filibuster, too many free rides and 10 years from now they’ll be rubbing it in the democrats behinds that the Democrats did it, like Clinton did with NAFTA and we won’t have a provable argument.
Report thisBy John Hanks, July 19, 2009 at 8:28 am Link to this comment
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A lot of the trouble started when the Unions agreed to drive out the “Commuists”. Communists are usually the militant members. They understand the cons and they get their hands dirty.
Report thisBy MarthaA, July 19, 2009 at 2:10 am Link to this comment
Unions are Liberal and should be represented by the Liberal Left.
Liberal must return to ONLY being the Left—the Democratic Party must return to being only Liberal; of the Democratic Party’s DNC, only the CONSERVATIVE Blue Dog Democrats and CONSERVATIVE/moderate New DLC Democrats are married to the Republicans; and NO Republican favors unions. UNIONS are liberal.
Liberals are all that represents the Left; moderates aren’t of any benefit to the Left. Unions are a benefit to the Left.
Liberals to the Left and Conservatives to the Right; which is what politics was until CONSERVATIVE Republican Barry Goldwater managed to get the whole political scene changed, then conservatives and moderates moved in on the Left, divided the Democratic Party and destroyed political balance. No conservatives or moderates should be on the Left; NO real Liberal is allowed to be in the Republican Party, the Republican Party has made Liberal a dirty word to avoid having any Liberal balance in the Republican Party.
For political balance ALL conservatives and moderates need to be sent back to the Republicans on the Right where they belong; and where they were before Goldwater changed politics to where the Right can represent the Right from the Left, which is an improper perspective; for proper perspective the Right needs to be returned to representing the Right from the Right, not the Left.
Then, the Left’s Democrats will represent Unions. Republicans-Lite do play like they represent the Left; but, of course, do not. It is passed time to get all conservatives and moderates totally OUT of the Democratic Party, so that the representatives on the Left actually represent the Left; instead of the Right, then, and only then, will there be political balance between the Left and the Right. Unions will be represented by the Left when balance exists, as unions represent the Left. Currently the Right has all the weight, which must be changed. The Right must be removed from the Democratic Party, so that the Democratic Party will be able to represent the Left.
Report thisBy John Hanks, July 18, 2009 at 8:36 am Link to this comment
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This nation cannot continue to exist as long as it remains half slave and half free. Oh, I forgot. This country disappeared long ago.
Report thisBy Tony Vodvarka, July 18, 2009 at 7:06 am Link to this comment
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When will we finally understand that there isn’t a thin dime’s worth of difference between the two parties of our terminally corrupted electoral system? Either we organize a genuine political organization or we are heading directly to the sewer.
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By doublestandards/glasshouses, July 18, 2009 at 3:05 am Link to this comment
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Harpers (July, 2009) says that the president Obama most resembles is Hoover. Very interesting read. The cover of the issue was done by Mr Fish.
Report thisBy Xntrk, July 18, 2009 at 12:07 am Link to this comment
Saw this one coming 3 months ago. We’re fucked!
Democrats in Hawaii must not have gotten the message: They passed this law. Then Uber Governator [Lingle is a cross between Schwarzenegger, Lieberman, and Palin] vetoed it.
A couple of days ago, the Leg over-road the veto, and it is now on the books. Of course, it helps to live in a place with strong unions and few Republicans - They are in a serious minority, poor dears.
After Lingle is done [term limits] the Republicans are going on the Endangered Specie List.
Report thisBy Fat Freddie's Cat, July 17, 2009 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment
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I don’t think the bill in it’s original form was ever meant to pass. The “card check” provision in the bill was meant to take the focus off of what the unions really wanted.
Report thisBy Fredric Dennis Williams, July 17, 2009 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment
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At the risk of being a voice crying in the wilderness, the problem with voiding the secret ballot for union representation is that it automatically opens the door for intimidation.
It may be that those who comment here have a pristine and idealistic view of union organizing, but that hardly represents the way things work in the real world. We may bust fewer heads and bury fewer opponents, but those who believe strongly in unions are not averse to polite warnings of serious consequences for not signing the card. And, when the union gets its signed cards, the non-signers may find themselves unemployed. Permanently.
The secret ballot was instituted to protect people and to allow them to express their real views. Get rid of it and democracy becomes a joke.
Report thisBy Kanamachi, July 17, 2009 at 6:33 pm Link to this comment
What should we expect from a president and a system that favours the powerful over the weak, and favours those who have over those who have not, despite the rhetoric.
Report thisThis system is not about the working class, it is about those with money, power, and influence. Obama is squandering a huge opportunity to really make some changes of substance. Instead he is pandering to the interests that have been running this country for the last 30-odd years.
I am glad that McCain and his mistake are not in the White House, but if they were, at least we would know what we were up against. Instead, women, gays, and average working people are pandered to, told to be patient, and treated as if we do not exist. I am really sick of the whole system and sorry I contributed any money and my vote to Obama and his team of Wall Street robbers. I will not be voting for another Obama term.
By hippie4ever, July 17, 2009 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment
More Friedman Fascism from the New Republicans. I agree, Folktruther, it is a shocking and dreadful sellout, as was the LGBT sellout, the Foreclosure Consumer sellout, the national health sellout, what did I forget? Oh yes, the Big Sell for War in Afganistan.
Personally, I’m nonviolent and never wish harm on others; it’s bad karma. But frankly, the way he’s going, Obama may not reach the end of his term. Lots are hurting, being evicted, living hand-to-mouth: every week there’s more pinkslips going out. Maybe it’s because I grew up in an era of assassinations that while I do not advocate it, indeed despise such violence, I still wouldn’t be surprised.
And I could not vote again for Feinstein, Boxer, or Woolsey (her cannabis position is ludicrous). Obama?
HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!
Report thisBy idarad, July 17, 2009 at 5:14 pm Link to this comment
Surprise
Hardly
When all they have done the past year is bail out the wall street criminal class - what more can we - should we expect.
Anyone who votes for a Democrat or a Republican in the future, deserves what they get. It is past time to dump the bs system and start back over again. If we don’t do it, it will happen on its own, but there will be less control.
Report thisBy Jon, July 17, 2009 at 5:03 pm Link to this comment
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Another Obama/Democrat sell out to corporate power. This president will serve one term and will be remembered as the ‘banking president’ not the people’s president. His scam will only get him four years, and after that, Democrats are done.
Report thisBy Folktruther, July 17, 2009 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment
This is one of the most dreadful sellouts. The working class made their voices felt through unions, which is why the ruling class largely destroyed them by globalization. Obama said he was for it and then didn’t support it, leaving it to be eviseerated by business.
This is part of the general depowerizing of the American population begun by Bush and continued by Obama.
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