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Getting Loaded in Tennessee

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Posted on Jul 13, 2009
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Believe it or not, Tennessee is relaxing its already liberal gun laws even more. Starting Tuesday, residents of the state will legally be able to go to bars and restaurants with loaded guns. Letting people get drunk in public places while they’re packing heat = a really really smart decision.

BBC:

Following a recent series of high-profile shooting incidents in the United States, the southern state of Tennessee is changing its gun laws this week.

It is relaxing them.

If a last-minute legal challenge fails, from Tuesday, gun owners in the state will be allowed to carry their weapons in a lot more public places—- including bars and restaurants.

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By KDelphi, July 16, 2009 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment

And the NRA, “nunhucks are just two sticks tied together with twine” crowd shows up again, just for the gun and knife show…its all they care about…guns wont leave them all alone , paying child support, huh?

Yeah, sure you guys are right…only neo-cons get drunk and make mistakes…anti-war and pro-gun—still strikes me as an odd combination…where does it stop? Maybe when these people get drafted and can pursue their “rights” more fully…

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By Barry Hirsh, July 14, 2009 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment
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To those of you who think this is a “bad” idea:

It hasn’t proven to be in the 3/4 of states that now allow it. And, while there is no prohibition on drinking while carrying in certain of those states, the same type of .08 DWI laws apply for possession of a weapon, in a bar or not. If you detach yourselves from your bias and honestly analyze the status quo in these states, the facts don’t bear out your prejudice.

To those of you who think this is a “good” idea:

Yes, it is. And, it would be a “better” idea if lawful CCW was authorized in every present gun-free zone except inside prisons, jails, courts, and mental hospitals. Everywhere else it has been prohibited, the occupants are vulnerable to any criminal’s/nutball’s miscreance.

It is Natural Law.

But, ‘enlightened’ folks think they know better, and believe they can engineer into reality their own idealistic scenarios into which Natural Law can’t intrude.

The term “foolish” jest don’t git it. Natural Law rules the universe, whether or not the ‘enlightened’ like it, or admit it.

Oh, well. “De Nile ain’t just a river in Egypt.”

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By Ravendove, July 14, 2009 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

If you aren’t convinced this law is a good thing, I encourage you to watch this two minute video.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8145457.stm

It isn’t outrageous or irresponsible to want to protect your family. If your argument is people will come in and break the law by drinking anyway or by carrying even though a sign is posted, then you can’t contend that they wouldn’t break the law by carrying in these places if the law was repealed. You just said, yourself, that they would do it anyway. Permit holders deserve more respect than that and everyone deserves the right to defend their lives and the lives of their families no matter where they are.

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By Uncle Lar, July 14, 2009 at 7:22 am Link to this comment
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You seen TSA doing checks at the entrance to your favorite bar lately? Here’s a clue, if someone up to no good wants to carry a firearm into a bar they will, law or no law. The new Tennessee law on the other hand states that a concealed weapon permit holder may enter an establishment that serves alcohol, not only bars but restaurants and so forth, as long as they do not drink. And a permit holder would be at risk of not only being arrested for violation of that rule but would most certainly lose that permit, a not insignificant punishment all of itself.
So, your ever so appealing tale of woe smacks more than a bit of fearmongering in my opinion.

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By KRAKATOA, July 14, 2009 at 6:31 am Link to this comment
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Looks like you’re digging wasn’t deep enough.  You fail to mention that CCW permit holders cannot drink and carry, or for that matter, use certain kinds of medication while carry.  The largest group of CCW holders will now be ‘legal’ when they take their families to restaurants where they have no intentions of drinking (Applebees, O’Charlies, Red Lobster, Outback, etc., places hardly teeming with drunken idiots packin’ heat).  You ASSume none of the CCW holders will be designated drivers or that they may be at the bar to get a bite to eat.  So much for truth digging.  More like cover up inconvenient truth.

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By D Nielsen, July 14, 2009 at 5:01 am Link to this comment
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The sky is falling, the sky is falling, there will be blood in the streets, murder mayhem all caused by the law abiding gun owners. Oh how terrible, oh how terrifying, we must run, we must hide in fright as we pee our pants in terror of the law abiding gun owners for it is they who are responsible for all this violence. It is they that have caused our streets to run red with with blood, it is they who naively take responsibility for themselves and their actions which is against all socialistic and government teachings. Oh me, oh my, this has happened before, we see all the media, claiming of impending violence and doom from such actions. We have never seen any facts in support, but the media says it is so, therefore it must be true! Oh me, Oh my, what are we to do, what are we to do when law abiding citizens take responsibility for themselves? Isnt it just too horrifying to contemplate that all those inocent criminals who are victims themselves could be harmed, after it isnt their fault they are criminals, oh me oh my, what are we to do?

Signed: Chicken Little and the boy who cried wolf!

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By Armed Geek, July 14, 2009 at 4:16 am Link to this comment
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Oh, I’ll bite.  Exactly when is all this drunken violence supposed to start?  As in, 31 states already allow this.  And NOTHING HAPPENS!  Drunken brawls and shootings occur all the time, but the CHL holders a) aren’t doing it, and b) aren’t even involved.  Zip, nada, nothing!

This is the same blood-in-the-streets crap that was shouted from the rooftops before CHL’s were started in every state, and in every state, it has been shown to be utter bull.

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By Carl in Chicago, July 14, 2009 at 3:51 am Link to this comment
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“Letting people get drunk in public places while they’re packing heat = a really really smart decision.”

Right.  You need to know that such activity is prohibited by law ... and you need to communicate that fact to your readers.  As it stands now, you are feeding them incorrect information.

But what the heck.  Don’t let the truth come between you and your opinion.

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By rodney, July 14, 2009 at 12:48 am Link to this comment
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I guess I’ll stay the hell out of Tennessee

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By Sepharad, July 13, 2009 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

PSmith, Dave’s story is heartbreaking, as were the experiences he had, and saw, in Iraq. I’m glad the “friendly stranger” came along. (Was it you?) People who recognize a friendly tiger when they see one yet interact with them on a human level are probably responsible for helping still-wired vets like Dave maintain a sane, if wary, perception of other human beings.

Our government’s lack of concern for making the returning overstressed overdeployed vets’ readjustments as smooth and safe as possible is disgusting. the vets deserve better than what they are getting.

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By Potent_Placebo, July 13, 2009 at 8:15 pm Link to this comment
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And when you can’t make it to a bar…

http://www.cellphoneflasks.com/shotgun-flask-whiskey-shot-gun.html

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By Anarcissie, July 13, 2009 at 7:12 pm Link to this comment

Shift:
‘Guns do not create peace, they create a balance of terror.  Some lifestyle huh?’

So, should we disarm the police?

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By Shift, July 13, 2009 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment

Guns do not create peace, they create a balance of terror.  Some lifestyle huh?

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By Sepharad, July 13, 2009 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment

Nathan Thompson, excellent comment. But inaccuracies rarely stop people from engraving their opinions in the stone of .

coloradokarl has a point, though. When our neighborhood in San Francisco became dangerously crime and drug-gang ridden, a police sergeant conducting a community meeting said that he could not say so officially but he recommended people carry a loaded .38 for self-defense when walking or jogging around alone. The school in which our youngest was about to start kindergarten was a major center for drug dealing. We couldn’t afford to move into a better neighborhood, so moved 65 miles north to a rural mixed ag/residential area.

The gangs of course eventually spread to the little towns near us, but kids were not in danger of getting shot on the playground. Before we moved, I did buy and carry a .38. The one time I forgot to carry it was the one time I was attacked and could have used it.

As we are pretty remote, nearest neighbor about a 1/2 mile away, we keep a couple guns in our house, a .357 magnum and a shotgun. Only needed the latter once, to scare away a mountain lion running around our horses and new foals, but shot it into the air as I was afraid, even with the big flashlight, I’d hit a horse by mistake.

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By badmonkey, July 13, 2009 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment
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Another thing to remember as well…  The current law does not keep the criminals from carrying their guns ANYWHERE! It never has.  I do not and will not fear law abiding citizens that are responsibly armed.  I did not support nor did I fight the legislation because I already know that there are people that carry regardless of what the law says.  I have no desire to carry my weapon everywhere I go, but the criminals do have to wonder, should I really try to mug this guy?

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By Nathan Thompson, July 13, 2009 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment
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Apparently you didn’t dig too far for the truth, because the BBC article specifically says it is “a law allowing guns into bars and restaurants, but PREVENTING THEIR OWNERS FROM BUYING ALCOHOL.” So you’re little comment about “Letting people get drunk in public places while they’re packing heat = a really really smart decision” is misleading.

Furthermore, the law allows restaurants on a case by case basis to ban guns from their premises. So this law forces no restaurants/bars to let guns within their doors. If an owner is uncomfortable with the idea of having guns in his/her shop, they can ban them.

I live in Nashville and am not a particular fan of this law, nor do I think it’s necessarily smart legislation, but it should nonetheless be represented accurately.

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By coloradokarl, July 13, 2009 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment

Colorado: Carrying a legal holstered gun anywhere is allowed (you know, no courts, schools, Etc.) Elpaso county: $500.00 gets you a Concealed weapons permit. EVERYONE who can legaly own a gun can buy the permit. 16,000 permits for a population of 300,000 gets us one concealed weapon for every 50 people at the mall. I LOVE IT, I truely feel safe and wish every law abiding citizen carried a gun. Guns do not kill people, NEO-CONS Kill People….....

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By Mary Ann McNeely, July 13, 2009 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

Goodbye. America.  You used to be a good idea.

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By Anarcissie, July 13, 2009 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

Looks like more evolution in action to me.  I myself have probably stopped evolving, physically at least, and I don’t claim innocence, but I plan to stay out of Tennessee bars on hot Saturday nights anyway.

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By tomack, July 13, 2009 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

Wishful thinking on my part, admittedly. Then again, if one walks into a bar wish full knowledge of the patrons and more importantly, whats in their pocketses…well.

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By KDelphi, July 13, 2009 at 11:26 am Link to this comment

its already legal in ohio—the prob is, you CANT keep innocent bystanders out of the way.

the law, for all practical purposes, makes carryoing a gun mandatory in bars here now…its stupid as the rednecks who passed the law.

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By tomack, July 13, 2009 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

If we could keep the innocent bystanders out of the way, I wouldn’t mind so much.

Like to like, gun to gun, free-flowing whiskey and let ‘em have some fun.

Culls the herd ya know.

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