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Bush’s Wiretaps Now Even More WarrantlessPosted on Jul 13, 2009
It turns out George W. Bush’s warrantless wiretap program wasn’t just illegal, it was pretty useless. A new report by the inspectors general of the agencies charged with catching the evildoers determined that many agents were flummoxed by the vague information coming out of the overly secretive program, and those who weren’t couldn’t demonstrate how it was helpful.
To be fair there are plenty of former intelligence officials with security clearance a lot higher than ours that insist the program saved lives. Can they prove it? So rude of us to ask. And no. Then there are gems like this, quoted by CNN from the IGs’ report: “Even though most PSP [President’s Surveillance Program] leads were determined not to have any connection to terrorism, many of the FBI witnesses believed the mere possibility of the leads producing useful information made investigating the leads worthwhile.” Your tax dollars at work. Advertisement Previous item: Kim Jong Il Reportedly Has Pancreatic Cancer Next item: Sotomayor Confirmation Hearings Under Way Elsewhere: . CommentsAre you a Truthdig member yet? Login now, or register with Truthdig. Add Your Comment
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By hippie4ever, July 13 at 6:03 pm #
I knew I was being wiretapped when I lived in France. Herr Bush was ascendent and there was a lot of blather about Jesus. I was talking to a friend in California when a “click” sounded and we both heard another’s breathing.
It was such a golden opportunity. I asked about getting blood out of the carpet, the drapes, the sofa…I just droned on about gore everywhere and how it HAD to be a do-it-yourself job. Bob said cold water and enzymes were important and then described various sponging techniques.
We both heard that “click” again and the tap had ended. Our real conversation continued. I guess that makes us both “persons of interest” or worse. I wonder what the wiretapper put into his report?
Report thisBy PSmith, July 13 at 6:00 pm #
By Folktruther, July 13 at 10:26 am #
Excellent summary. Particularly on the pseudo-argument that it was not effective (enough, and should therefore be made even more effective).
OUR FUTURE
> And the whole intelligence apparatus sanitized by pseudo-progressive to neutralize any opposition to a police state to maintain a vaste and growing economic inequality.
BINGO. That is our future. Here on Truthdig, XnTrk commented -
> I am reading Eduardo Galeano’s Open Veins of Latin America. The most frightening thing about it is the description of what happens to countries that practice Low-Wage Capitalism. It is like reading our future in the history of Latin America.
From Xntrk at - http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20090604_the_cold_war_is_over_well_sort_of/?ln
@ Rodger Lemonde, July 13 at 12:14 pm #
> I recognize all of your words Folktruther but in their present arrangement it is difficult to extract a meaning. Unless of course you were trying to demonstrate the futility of a government attempting to survail every one all the time.
Our freedom and privacy is best protected by our shear numbers. Just as they have problems doing good things for the country, the bad things they do are just as poorly done.
On the contrary, I extract a very clear and extremely accurate forecast of our future. imo. The idea of surveillance incompetence is a misdirection, imo. Ask those lonely internet-posting peons who have been approached by their local Stasi - and had it suggested that they not waste their time posting on the internet. In a friendly, but unmistakable, way.
There are many who don’t want to imagine the possibilities based on the eight Neocon years of the Cheney junta and the catastrophe inflicted on the US by the Neocons. More do. And a few both want to know and will act. A _lot_ of smart and clever people have relocated elsewhere. Canada. Asia. Europe. They know what’s coming. If you don’t, listen to, or read, Jim Rogers, Marc Faber, Nassim Taleb. And particularly Naomi Klein. The fraudulent Wall Street bailout may fail. And if it does, the US will undergo what it inflicted on Argentina, via the IMF and Friedmanite economics. _Read_and_listen_to_Naomi_Klein_ - http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070730/klein_lewis
Shock Doctrine - http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine
Extreme? Is the banks closing their doors and saying “Sorry. Your money is gone.” extreme? Is being unable to feed your children extreme? Is the middle class quickly becoming the unemployed working class extreme? OH YEAH. And it all happened before. To Argentina. Might be worth reading about how it went down. And how some survived it. Those who acted early, quite comfortably. The rubes who waited, a lot less so.
Report thisBy Night-Gaunt, July 13 at 1:24 pm #
The question I have is who did make good use of it? Someone did and for what purpose?
With the kind of computing power they have with voice recognition to facial pattern analysis, and even behavior algorithms too can be use so they can monitor vast numbers picking out not just words but also phrases they are looking for too. They will concentrate on the high value targets to keep the rest of us in line.
One thing about police states is that their very efficient about violating others rights no matter how faulty their signals intelligence(sic) is.
Right or wrong they are right and you and I are wrong.
Report thisBy Rodger Lemonde, July 13 at 12:14 pm #
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I recognize all of your words Folktruther but in their present arrangement it is difficult to extract a meaning. Unless of course you were trying to demonstrate the futility of a government attempting to survail every one all the time.
Report thisOur freedom and privacy is best protected by our shear numbers. Just as they have problems doing good things for the country, the bad things they do are just as poorly done.
By Folktruther, July 13 at 10:26 am #
this piece is a good example of how a neoliberal police state is being installed in the US to replace America’s classic bourgeois Democracy. the president of the US initiates a massive program for spying on the American people and the pseudo-progressive media complains that it was not very effective. They weren’t getting very good data on us with their lawless spying.
Well, then, Obama will have to Reform it by making it more effective, won’t he. And lawless spying on the American people can complement the lawless imprisonment and the the lawless torture.
And the whole intelligence apparatus sanitized by pseudo-progressive to neutralize any opposition to a police state to maintain a vaste and growing economic inequality. instilling an ideology which encourages people to identify with their own oppression and the opprression of other people.
The population must understand that the learned and mass media is on the side of oppressive power, not on the side of the people being oppressed by power.
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