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Friends Don’t Let Friends Bomb Iran

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Posted on Jul 6, 2009
White House / Sharon Farmer

Whatever their private discussions, the governing administrations of the United States and Israel are engaged in a public back and forth that ought to give one pause. It all started when Vice President Biden said “Israel can determine for itself” whether to bomb Iran.

“I think he said things that are very logical,” responded Avigdor Lieberman, Israel’s foreign minister and extremist in chief. “Israel is a sovereign state and at the end of the day, the government of Israel has sole responsibility for its security and future, not anybody else.”

Sure, but what about the $2.4 billion in annual military aid the U.S. sends Israel’s way?

AP via Google:

The White House said Biden’s remarks did not signal a shift in U.S. policy. In an interview published by the New York Times on Monday, President Barak Obama indicated the diplomatic option was still viable. “We have offered a pathway for Iran to rejoining the international community,” he was quoted as saying.

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman’s response to Biden’s comments was relatively measured. “I think he said things that are very logical,” he said. “Israel is a sovereign state and at the end of the day, the government of Israel has sole responsibility for its security and future, not anybody else.”

“Sometimes there are disputes between friends, but at the end of the day the decision is ours,” he said.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 8, 2009 at 5:04 am Link to this comment

I waited to respond on this and I gotta say: This thread is crap.  Biden NEVER said it was “OK” for Israel to bomb Iran.  He just didn’t say that or even imply that.

ALL he said (and the White House expanded on it) is that every nation is a sovereign actor and can and will take the actions it thinks are in its best interest.  It is a standard statement in international relations that says nothing and means nothing.

If Avigdor Lieberman thinks it means more than that, it just shows how ignorant and incompetent he is to hold the Foreign Minister’s portfolio.

The mis-quote of Biden here is as ridiculous as the Re-thug mis-quote of Al Gore saying “I invented the Internet.” (of course, Gore said nothing of the kind, nor made any such claim).

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By ardee, July 8, 2009 at 3:53 am Link to this comment

Virginia777, July 7 at 8:07 pm #

“OK Sepharad what now?”

how about an end to usurious trolls?
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Far better to end childish commentary. Wouldnt you be more comfortable on Facebook?

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By ardee, July 8, 2009 at 3:52 am Link to this comment

For the last month and more, the Obama administration and some of the Euros have been trying to figure out how get the Arab Sunni governments to help pressure Iran.
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I fail to understand, what with the enmity between competing(? Conflicting) muslim sects, why you think Sunni governments would have an effect upon Shia Iran?

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By Sepharad, July 7, 2009 at 9:59 pm Link to this comment

ardee, Arutzsheva has information just like any other media outlet—Ha’aretz, Cairo Times—but as with any other outlet you don’t buy the spin that comes with it. Saudi Arabia has its own motives. To me any interest the Saudis have in enabling an attack on Iran is a huge reason to NOT do it. I think Israel would be crazy to attack Iran. I don’t
want them to.

For the last month and more, the Obama administration and some of the Euros have been trying to figure out how get the Arab Sunni governments to help pressure Iran. Personally, I think the North Koreans and unsecured Pakistani nuclear tech and materials are a more imminent problem. But if Iranians want a bomb there is not much anyone can, or should, do other than hoping whoever is in charge of the bomb and delivery systems sees it as a deterrent rather than a strategic weapon. 

Floating the notion that the Saudis would lend airspace for attacking Iran, while probably true, is NOT information that would recommend such an attack as a good idea for the Israelis, in my humble opinion. Quite the opposite. I thought I’d made that clear but obviously not.

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By Virginia777, July 7, 2009 at 9:36 pm Link to this comment

Come on, FT, Israel not only has a blank check, they have control of our MSM, most of Congress, our Vice President,

they own our country!

This HAS to change.

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By Folktruther, July 7, 2009 at 9:01 pm Link to this comment

I don’t think Israel has a blank check, Ed.  I think they are restricted by US foreign policy.  Biden is a self proclaimed Zionist but ke is known for talking too much.  He talked too much.

He was immediately corrected by the White House.  And Obama then said that the US ISN’T allowing Israel to bomb Iran.  Obama is probably irritated at Biden because Obama is going to make a public display of negotiating with Iran, and possibly doing so for real.

Of course Israel might do it anyway.  Anyone who would appoint Lieberman as foreign minister is heedless of political consequences.  But bombing Iran is even crazier than that.

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By Virginia777, July 7, 2009 at 5:07 pm Link to this comment

“OK Sepharad what now?”

how about an end to usurious trolls?

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By ardee, July 7, 2009 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment

Arutz Sheva (Hebrew: ???? ????) (Channel Seven) is an Israeli media network identifying with Religious Zionism. It offers online news in English, Hebrew, French and Russian in three formats: written, internet radio, and internet television. The Israeli government has never granted it a license to broadcast, prompting[who?] charges of government discrimination against the Religious Zionist public. It sees itself as “the only independent national radio station in Israel” and a counterbalance to “the ‘negative thinking’ and ‘post-Zionist’ attitudes so prevalent in Israel’s liberal-left media.” Based in the West Bank (“Judea and Samaria”), Arutz Sheva is seen as the voice of the Israeli settlement movement.

OK Sepharad what now?

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By Sepharad, July 7, 2009 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment

ardee, check out Arutzsheva—you can google it.
The Saudi Wahabis hate and fear Shiia Iran and I’m sure they would be pleased to have Israel attack it, so they could have a major thorn removed from their side and also an excuse to further damn Israel as Muslim killers. (I think most of the Saudi oil workers are from Pakistan, China, etc.) But putting the Saudis aside, I think it would be a huge mistake for Israel to attack Iran for any reason. Such a move, in my eyes anyway, would be more of an existential threat to Israel than Ahmadinejad in the sky astride a nuclear warhead Dr. Strangelove style. If I were a praying person I’d be praying now that the Israeli leaders are too smart to attack Iran. And I wish Biden had kept his mouth shut. Insanity all around.

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By Ed Harges, July 7, 2009 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment

Biden pretended to frame his remarks in terms of some universal right of “sovereignty”. He absurdly said that Israel can bomb Iran because Israel is a sovereign nation. So the implication is that any sovereign nation has the right to decide to bomb anybody else, and for us to say they shouldn’t would be a violation of that nation’s sovereignty. Quite obviously Biden could not possibly mean that.

What he means, but cannot bring himself to say plainly, is that — at least in the world of US politics — Israelis have unlimited permission to do whatever the hell they want, because they are better than the rest of us. Israelis (at least, Jewish Israelis) are simply better than people. To question this superior rank is anti-Semitic and will result in the political and professional destruction of the questioner.

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By Christine, July 7, 2009 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment
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First of all, sending Osama-Bama to Russia to try to ‘make peace’ is a joke in and of itself.  Obama’s agenda is purely political but NOT in favor of the US.
He is Muslim and as such, his main goal is to impede Israel from defending itself against the malicious attacks from Arab nations they have been suffering for DECADES because he is very well aware that the Muslims are staging an all out assault on christian nations and are completely intolerant of ANY religion other than their own. Muslims are trying to eradicate the Jews and Christians alike.

It is common knowledge to those of us in the intelligence field that Russia has been supplying nuclear arms technology and weapons to Iran, Pakistan and other Arab nations and is also currently providing support to these same nations via sending their scientists to Iran to aid them with their nuclear ambitions. Some of the very groups that America is at war with (Hamas, Hezbollah)are the source of MILLIONS of dollars in funding Obama’s Presidential campaign.

Meantime, Russia and China have been practicing war games together for the past 7 years in the hopes of an attack on America.
Most recently, Russia offered Kyrgyztan a payoff to oust the US Marines from our base there so the Russians could move in. (How interesting since they knew we were about to invade Afghanistan) AND Russia in the last three months completed a deal with the President of Venezuela to base their war planes there as well as nuclear ships in the vicinity of the Panama Canal.  For what purpose? 
Use your imagination! 
The only thing Obama has in common with Russia and the Arabs is a disdain for Capitalism and the American way of life. Street organizer was Obama’s ONLY title before being hand-picked to be a Senator by an all black-Muslim group who gathered the minority vote because they knew it was a sure bet. Same thing for the Presidential election. With all of the media hype surrounding the first black candidate (even though he is Muslim), the Media KNEW that if he did not win, the riots that would have ensued would have been horrendous. Also, no one wanted to risk a lawsuit.
Russia is NOT our friend-neither is Obama.
Obama’s mentors have always been anti-government, anti-capitalist communist/socialists who main objective is to eradicate capitalism and the American way of life.
There IS something much bigger in the works and soon to be known to all of the sheeple out there, your ineligible President will reveal his true colors and his REAL agenda will become known.  LOOK OUT AMERICA!

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By Virginia777, July 7, 2009 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment

Biden should be immediately terminated.

This puppet on AIPAC’s chain needs to be released to his Masters!

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By fredmoz, July 7, 2009 at 9:49 am Link to this comment

While Mr. Robinson, Ms. Coco and MSNBC (...for politics) were infatuated with Ms. Palin and M Jackson, our esteemed VP was busy giving green light to Israel to attack Iran. Isn’t this shameful for all of us?

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By G.Anderson, July 7, 2009 at 8:30 am Link to this comment

Let’s see now… $2.4 Billion a year to Israel, but $0 to California. Looks like Israel is more important to our government than California. Time to secede.

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By artie, July 7, 2009 at 6:50 am Link to this comment
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Biden’s comments are stupid and rediculous, but Israel will, sooner or later, start world war three. All world-wide public opinion rates Israel as one of the most dangerous countries, and our close association implicates us in anything they do.

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By halflo, July 7, 2009 at 6:24 am Link to this comment
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My sad prediction:  the day Israel bombs Iran, synagogues will burn in the U.S.

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By COLINDALE, July 7, 2009 at 5:58 am Link to this comment
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A U.S decision to allow its proxy to attack Iran could well prove to be the start of WWIII and the worst foreign policy error of the 21st century. Once those ICBMs are fired from Israel, with or without nuclear warheads, then, arguably, everyone living today will suffer the consequences.
From Alaska to Mexico and from London to Oman and Karachi – the world will have years to reflect on our stupidity and the arrogance of our elected representatives.
Iran’s response to an unprovoked attack, will be to close the Straits of Homuz meaning the price of oil globally will double or quadruple; stock markets around the world will crash; Iranian cells in the US and Europe will activate; Iran will fire long-range missiles at Israel; Israel will retaliate with a nuclear strike and the entire Middle East will be contaminated including the UAE, Oman, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. The subsequent consequences are anybody’s guess - but the world will never be the same again and every family, everywhere, will have to bear the cost of scarce oil, sky-high prices and falling investment values.
Then add to this scenario the massive loss of life and radiation sickness.
All this because one man indulged in rhetoric! What do you believe the attitude of the international community will be to the party who initiates this frightening new conflict?

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By ardee, July 7, 2009 at 3:29 am Link to this comment

Sepharad, July 7 at 2:19 am

I have read nothing indicating Saudi Arabia or Syria has made such an offer, if true a disheartening turn of events I think. Perhaps , as Iran is Shia, and Saudi Arabia is Wahabi Sunni and having problems with their oil workers who are predominately Shia, this might be a reason????

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By Sepharad, July 6, 2009 at 11:19 pm Link to this comment

ardee, I hope the Israelis have the good sense to not touch Iran. Am disturbed by Biden’s comment, and also the fact that Arutzsheva online noted that Saudi Arabia and Syria allegedly offered their airspace if Israel needs it to attack Iran. I’m confident that even Netanyahu would realize that anything the Saudis think Israel should to do to the point that the Saudis would abet them is obviously something not good for Israel and the region but useful and convenient for the Saudis and, perhaps, the Americans. I suspect the current American administration would like it if Israel played the wild child and struck at Iran, after which Obama would say some mildly scolding things to the Israelis and keep his hands clean. But if Israel is stupid enough to play into such a scenario ... was about to say I love Israel but would give up on it. I probably wouldn’t give up; would however be disgusted and just keep pushing the Peace Now agenda. Even if I were a hawk, looking at the way the Iranians have spread out their nuclear facilities, with the most sensitive ones perhaps unknown and others literally under mountains and population centers, I would see how unrewarding and disastrous such an attack would be. Better the Israelis keep quiet, let the nuclear capability they have tucked in the back pocket serve as a deterrent. The divisions since the Iranian elections should reassure Israel that for the moment, all the clerics are not feeling in a suicidal mood.

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By John Azevedo, July 6, 2009 at 10:34 pm Link to this comment
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We can’t turn to our politicians to influence Israel’s rogue state behavior. Our politicians belong to AIPAC and their ilk. We the people must do what worked in South Africa- boycott, divest, and sanction any business or politician that profits from Israel’s illegal behaviors. Get the facts from alternative news like Truthdig, KPFK, and especially Amy Goodman.Then get the truth out any way you can.

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By ardee, July 6, 2009 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment

One hopes these insanities are merely posturing and attempts to bring Iran to the table. Israel will not use nuclear weaponry without the compete acquiescence of the USA, and it is illogical to believe that will happen.

I point to this statement by the Israeli foreign minister while in Russia:

“Instead, he has voiced a contrasting concern — that Israel might be expected to do the world’s dirty work by hitting Iran, leaving the world community free to criticize Israel afterward, as happened after the attack on Iraq in 1981.

During a visit to Russia, Lieberman said, “We do not intend to bomb Iran, and nobody will solve their problems with our hands.”“
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Biden is a notorious big mouth as we all understand, so what does his statement about Israeli sovereignity really amount to?

Obama should certainly threaten to withhold the billions in aid we give to Israel, both economic and military, and that is certainly on the minds of Netanyahu as well. Perhaps he has already done so in private.

The US is certainly between a rock and a hard place what with the Middle East, Honduras, the refusal of the economy to respond to bribes, increasing unemployment and rising unrest at home. The last thing this government needs is a ridiculous military venture by Israel, especially as the article notes the nature of the Iranian nuclear program, spread out and hidden.

I await the certainty of radical and ridiculous commentary regarding the way Israel runs our own govt.

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