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GIs Aren’t Leaving Iraq Just Yet

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Posted on Jun 26, 2009
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As U.S. security forces prepare to pull back from Iraqi cities, violence has surged: In the past two weeks alone, some 200 people have died in suicide bombings. As a result of the heightened violence, some American troops are being repositioned in the areas surrounding the most volatile cities in an effort to ensure a more peaceful transition to Iraqi security forces.

The Christian Science Monitor:

The commanding general in charge of US forces in the north says American combat troops pulling out of Iraq’s most volatile cities are being shifted to areas encircling the cities to try to stop what has proved to be a resilient Al Qaeda in Iraq and other insurgent groups.

Maj, Gen. Robert Caslen, commander of the 25th Infantry Division, says in an interview that he is watching closely to see whether a recent spike in attacks will continue after the June 30 deadline for US combat troops to withdraw from Iraqi cities.

The deadliest attack in more than a year damaged a Shiite mosque and leveled an entire block of houses near Kirkuk last Saturday, killing more than 80 people and wounding more than 250 others.

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By ardee, June 29, 2009 at 12:45 pm Link to this comment

tahitifp, June 29 at 3:12 pm

If you are interested in the building of the Green Party perhaps you might look up the way it was done in Germany and elsewhere:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_party

The deck is certainly stacked against such growth, the Duopoly Party works tirelessly to eliminate the emergence of other parties. The Democrats fought long and hard to keep Ralph Nader off numerous ballots in fact.

Nevertheless, more and more people are coming to see that neither major party represents them, nor does the rhetoric of the candidates from the major parties seem to come to fruition. Thus third party politics may be ready to fill the void in our political system.

I would conjecture that the Greens would attract more from the left and center than from the libertarian perspective, thoug I readily admit to being less than a fan of libertarian political ideology.

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By tahitifp, June 29, 2009 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment

Ardee,

So if the 30 to 40% of Indies vote for the same person, we would be formidable. Green sounds good to me. Is there a green choice in ALL states?  Getting on ballots can be tricky.

Voting together, we’re possibly winners or at the very least would send a signal that we’re done with business as usual.  I think the Naderites could be persuaded to vote Green. What about the Paul supporters?

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By ardee, June 29, 2009 at 3:41 am Link to this comment

tahitifp, June 28 at 2:15 pm #

He’s both a great salesman and has the ability to encourage people to project their hopes onto him.  So I don’t think people who voted for him were stupid.
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Hopes formed by desperation coupled with enormous amounts of money, allow Obama to project himself as what he is not. How many campaign promises must he break before the truth sinks in I wonder?
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I’m an Indie so I’m not loyal to either party and I think what happened is that dems were afraid of a) any repug winning and b) afraid to just vote for who they really wanted.  Party loyalty is dangerous since we now have very slim pickings.
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I am an Indie as well, though I registered Green last time out because I believe they need the numbers. Neither major political party represents anything more subtle than the will of the corporation, enforced among its respective members by the withholding or granting of choice committee assignments, campaign funds and the like.

You are correct in that over thirty percent of all voters register Independent these days. But the choices remain blatantly partisan and unfair once these indies reach the voting booth. The amount of money spent on elections alone could give us universal health care! ( Ok maybe a small exaggeration for effect)....

Hamilton brought us the two party system, and later in his life he noted that it might have been his gravest mistake.

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By tahitifp, June 28, 2009 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

ardee:

He’s both a great salesman and has the ability to encourage people to project their hopes onto him.  So I don’t think people who voted for him were stupid.

I’m an Indie so I’m not loyal to either party and I think what happened is that dems were afraid of a) any repug winning and b) afraid to just vote for who they really wanted.  Party loyalty is dangerous since we now have very slim pickings.

It’s also counter-productive to think we have only 2 choices.  Look where it’s gotten us.  IMO the dem party is corrupt and has morphed into being repugs, like Maher said.  Even the progressives are not holding their own the way they should and Obama has threatened the new dems by saying he’d withhold support for their re-election.

I think the dems should un-enroll from the party, stop funding anyone but a progressive and that means Obama too.  I think the stats are that 40% of voters are now Indies.  Let’s make that 70% and worry Congress and Obama, while encouraging a progressive candidate like Feingold or Kucinich or even Dean to step up.

To keep funding dems seems crazy to me.  The party, generally, no longer supports the citizens of this country.

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By ardee, June 28, 2009 at 5:55 am Link to this comment

Yet another in a growing list of Obama lies, either he is a great salesman or we are pretty damn stupid.

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By Outraged, June 27, 2009 at 11:49 am Link to this comment

This was the issue from the beginning.  How do you leave once you create this type of situation?  There needs to be a measure of security for the Iraqi People.  We created this mess, we should offer assistance to fix it.  According to this story the underlying current problem is not the latest bomb attacks.  From BBC:

“While the streets of Baghdad are safer than before, violence is still part of daily life. Many Baghdad residents worry that once the Americans leave the city at the end of June, their safety will be in the hands of the police and army that are accused of being seriously corrupt.

“Millions of dollars are being stolen, and some of this money is going to terrorist groups. The government cannot win the war against the insurgency if it does not fight corruption first. And the war against corruption is much harder to win,” said the former dissident.

Some believe the government has already lost this war. According to the anti-corruption group Transparency International, Iraq is one of the most corrupt places in the world, third only to Burma and Somalia.”

....“The report, which is a result of the committee’s investigation into some 12,000 complaints of government corruption, says that that among the worst offenders are - in no particular order - the ministries of defence, interior, finance, education and health.”....

....“The report does not even scratch the surface of what goes on. Millions, billions of dollars are being stolen,” says Alia Nusaif”.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8055776.stm

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By tahitifp, June 27, 2009 at 11:45 am Link to this comment

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Obama had better end this Iraq adventure soon or the black vote won’t be able to save him in 2012.”

Nor the youth vote.

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By Folktruther, June 27, 2009 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

US and Western corporations are currently trying to get the US puppet government to approve US control of Iraqi oil.  Since the Iraqi people are violently against it, US control can only be maintained by a US army.  That army will never leave Iraq until the US gives up control if Iraqi oil.  But the longer they stay there, the more oil can be extracted.  Oil mixed with Iraqi blood.

Obama will never leave Iraq.  He’s lying about it, as he is about so much else.  And the American media, including the pseudo Progressive media, are repeating his lies.  Moving troops around is purely a public relaitons effort at perception management.

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By PatrickHenry, June 27, 2009 at 4:49 am Link to this comment

Mission accomplished?

Much like Yugoslavia, we have to pull back and let them fight it out.  Let the nut cases kill each other off, then come back in under UN flag with other nations troops (US too) and restore some normalcy and hold fair elections.

Until we allow this course of events to happen we will need a garrison force there forever.

Obama had better end this Iraq adventure soon or the black vote won’t be able to save him in 2012.

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By tahitifp, June 26, 2009 at 11:46 pm Link to this comment

It’s possible the Iraqi people would like us to leave, but our corporate gov’t here doesn’t want that.

Think of all that oil the corps will have.  More more more fascism!

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By JimBob, June 26, 2009 at 10:45 pm Link to this comment

Of course they don’t want us to leave.  We’re their raison d’etre.

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By tahitifp, June 26, 2009 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

He didn’t have me fooled.  Not since his first speech.  Let’s see…30 years or 50?  Indefinitely? Yeah, that’s the ticket.

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By boggs, June 26, 2009 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment

Did any americans actually think the military would be pulling up stakes in Iraq?
When finally down the line we are forced to cut our strength in that country we will still leave 30,000 troops behind, forever. Its part of our empirical plan. How can we be an empire without troops to force our will on others? Oh yeah, and take what we want from their resources.
Did Obama really have some of you fooled?

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