By godistwaddle, June 27 at 7:21 am #

nefesh: Ah, moral equivalency—bad stuff, that. ...patronizing ridicule will get you nowhere…

Let’s hypothesize a stolen election in the U.S. (2000, anyone?).  Merkins turn their slack bellies and throats up like whipped dogs.  Iranians take it to the streets.  The authorities react.  Had Merkins stood on their hind legs—forgetting to bring out the firearms so readily to hand—can we forget Kent State?...fantasy and conjecture; the two situations are hardly comparable… 

Can we forget thousands of lynchings to keep the disaffected in line?  Ah, can we forget that the U.S. has been the bully of the world since 1845? ..patently untrue; if anything the US has been isolationist until forced by necessity to intervene - WWI and WWII - although one can make a case for the Spanish American War having been fought for other reasons - the US has been, if anything, a liberator and guarantor of freedom and independence… 

Can we forget that if every demonstrator in Iran were murdered, it would not equal by any stretch the number murdered for the continued hegemony of American predatory capitalism. ..‘hedgemonic American predatory capitalism’ - yeah, there’s something to fight against, unlike hedgemonic predatory Communism, Islamism, totalitarianism…at least people like me have the opportunity to make something from nothing by hard work and ambition, unlike what you would or could ever get in the failed experiment of Marx and Engels…more likely the Gulag for even speaking your mind ...

Of course I condemn the exercise of authority...exercise of authority??? how about ABUSE of authority when the Basiji open fire on unarmed demonstrators and the police and Revolutionary Guards (shyeah - read: Establishment Regime Goon Squads) beat and injure hundreds…in Iran, but I condemn the execise of illegitimate authority anywhere(and authority is almost always illegitmate, and it’s pretty rich to see Merkins scolding anyone…...you and your soulmates here at Crapdig don’t seem to have much problem with scolding anyone BUT Americans - funny, that….

Fact check - Obushma didn’t sign the executive order to continue harboring innocents - they are drafting it to pacify the republicans - democrats - republi…. his party of fascists,  wanted to be correct.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisks-world-the-jury-is-out-on-the-iranian-model-of-religion-and-politics-1721566.html

nefesh: Ah, moral equivalency—bad stuff, that.  Let’s hypothesize a stolen election in the U.S. (2000, anyone?).  Merkins turn their slack bellies and throats up like whipped dogs.  Iranians take it to the streets.  The authorities react.  Had Merkins stood on their hind legs—forgetting to bring out the firearms so readily to hand—can we forget Kent State?  Can we forget thousands of lynchings to keep the disaffected in line?  Ah, can we forget that the U.S. has been the bully of the world since 1845?  Can we forget that if every demonstrator in Iran were murdered, it would not equal by any stretch the number murdered for the continued hegemony of American predatory capitalism. 

Of course I condemn the exercise of authority in Iran, but I condemn the execise of illegitimate authority anywhere(and authority is almost always illegitmate, and it’s pretty rich to see Merkins scolding anyone.

“According to Iranian websites”
....a cup of tea can prevent Cancer, high blood pressure, Parkinsons, heart disease and flu.
http://www.farsinet.com/hottea/medicalbenefits.html

.....Jesus cures opium addiction:
http://www.farsinet.com/elam/addict/

So there. I can report just like the Guardian - and provide links!

When your living in a double seat outhouse, its a bit of a stretch to tell the guy across the way that his house stinks.

Admittedly Iran is a corrupt authoritarian regime - but than aside from a couple ten nations around the globe - most countries are authoritarian regimes - including our own.  Hell Obushma just signed another executive order allowing him to detain"suspects” indefinitely. Sounds like torture and terror tactics to me.

By Dafna Linzer and Peter Finn

The Obama administration, fearing a battle with Congress that could stall plans to close Guantanamo, has drafted an executive order that would reassert presidential authority to incarcerate terrorism suspects indefinitely, according to three senior government officials with knowledge of White House deliberations.

Such an order would embrace claims by former president George W. Bush that certain people can be detained without trial for long periods under the laws of war. Obama advisers are concerned that bypassing Congress could place the president on weaker footing before the courts and anger key supporters, the officials said.

And the anonymous journalists just keep coming with their buckets filled with propaganda and BS.

That’s what happens when we had Frank Burns for President for 8 years.  No matter how outrageous M*A*S*H made Frank, somehow dee dubya surpassed it!

Hey, nefesh, of course we condemn it.  But we don’t expect our condemnation to be taken very seriously by its object, that’s all.

I hope, until our own torturers and their enablers are in jail, that we’re not going to cop some righteous attitude this; we lost the right, or rather George Bush and his cronies threw it away.

By godistwaddle, June 26 at 4:01 pm #

I didn’t think it’d take long for the Iranians to notice the U.S. has said torture is perfectly fine (as long as those tortured oppose the established order)

Now that you have posted the boilerplate moral-equivalency, is there nothing about the events in Iran that keep you from the condemning the regime’s brutality?

I didn’t think it’d take long for the Iranians to notice the U.S. has said torture is perfectly fine (as long as those tortured oppose the established order)

It is going to be hard to separate truth from propaganda during this unrest in Iran. But one thing is certain; if Iran is torturing dissidents they are joining the ranks of those nations like the USA that engages in such heinous actions.