ardee one-note REPUBLICAN Sophist Ranter,

Sophism is not an exercise of free speech.

Little ardee one-note Republican Sophist Ranter:

You have been told.

Your post is not an answer.  I suggest that you read “A People’s History of the United States, 1492 - PRESENT” by Howard Zinn, a classic National bestseller; it will either expand your mind or cause that little bubble you call your mind to blow up.  I suspect you are a lumpen-proletariat genteel peasant with unmerited delusions of grandeur that in fact is a part of the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION.

Millionaires claim that even if they have million’s of dollars of capital, that they are in poverty when their liquid assets are sufficiently low to require spending of their capital, and I truly doubt you are in this group, otherwise you would have more than one-note.  My guess is that you are a toady toiler that is far from living off of the revenue stream of capital.

Me, at a loss for words? Hardly witch..You add nothing to these threads but semicoherent and overly capitalized rants with phrases like 70% common majority, oh excuse me, 70% COMMON MAJORITY, that mean little or nothing to anyone.

You continue to call me a republican sophist with not one single shred of proof or example. Listen closely you hag, because someone disagrees with your addled and useless political rant , they might be considered intelligent, but not republican.

Sad that you defile these threads with your ignorance and intractability. I have violated my own promise to ignore your useless scribblings for far too long, so I will end this last response to an obviously senile and demented , probably lonely old witch as well, with a rerpeat of my first request:

Show me an example of my republican sophistry, better yet, take your medicine, crochet another afghan, and leave the political debate to those with actual brains.

Ardee the Republican Sophist,

That’s not an answer. It appears you are at a loss for words and stooping to characterless name calling?

MarthaA, June 26 at 2:03 pm #

Ardee the Republican Sophist,

Did you not call President Obama “your” president?—- meaning ONLY mine.
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Are you always so full of horseshit, Martha?

Ardee the Republican Sophist,

Did you not call President Obama “your” president?—- meaning ONLY mine. Which to me means President Obama is NOT your president. What is one suppose to think when one doesn’t accept the democratic president as their president?  It can only mean you are a Republican or a Republican-democrat, which is one and the same.

Leading off with an insult, calling me a republican and accusing me of sophistry without a single hint at what you found to be untruthful (hint witch, opinions differing from your own are not automatically untrue).

Fact, not tirade. Change your medications, they are saimply not working.

Ardee the Republican Sophist,

That wasn’t a reply, that was an emotional tirade.

MarthaA, June 25 at 5:25 pm #
Why on earth embarrass yourself in this fashion? Leading off with an insult, calling me a republican and accusing me of sophistry without a single hint at what you found to be untruthful (hint witch, opinions differing from your own are not automatically untrue).

Your rambling and almost incoherent efforts here, replete with capitalizations you must believe bring a credibility that noone in her right mind would accept, are just lumping you with the Virginia777, the Ed Harges and the Afriends…company you richly deserve.

I have learned that replying to your crap is useless, and will do so no more.

Ardee the Republican Sophist,

There you go again, calling me your family names.  As another turncoat Democrat said, who ran for office as a Republican with Alzheimer’s disease and perpetuated the sophistry of “supply side economics” on the United States and started down the slippery slope of economic collapse that led the United States to where it is today; you do know who I’m talking about, don’t you, your favorite turncoat Democrat, Ronald Reagan.

Your post authenticates that you would have been one of the doxy EXTREMISTS that couldn’t tell the difference between a witch and a saint and burned Joan of Arc at the stake. 

Introspection may help you make sense of my post, but name calling only reflects your IQ. 

I put a lot of work into getting that post on so you would be able to make a comparison between the Roosevelt and the Obama administrations; Obama has just barely entered office; it took Roosevelt 10 years.  By studying the past administration of Roosevelt, you should be able to determine where the Obama administration is going, and approximately how long it is going to take, instead of continuing to engage in griping, complaining and namecalling.

You are the one that said President Obama is “your” President, what is that suppose to mean other than you are a Republican sophist?  Give me a break. 

You set a new record, you didn’t respond substantively to anything I said.

Ardee the Republican Sophist,

There you go again, calling me your family names.  As another turncoat Democrat said, who ran for office as a Republican with Alzheimer’s disease and perpetuated the sophistry of “supply side economics” on the United States and started down the slippery slope of economic collapse that led the United States to where it is today; you do know who I’m talking about, don’t you, your favorite turncoat Democrat, Ronald Reagan.

Your post authenticates that you would have been one of the doxy EXTREMISTS that couldn’t tell the difference between a witch and a saint and burned Joan of Arc at the stake. 

Introspection may help you make sense of my post, but name calling only reflects your IQ. 

I put a lot of work into getting that post on so you would be able to make a comparison between the Roosevelt and the Obama administrations; Obama has just barely entered office; it took Roosevelt 10 years.  By studying the past administration of Roosevelt, you should be able to determine where the Obama administration is going, and approximately how long it is going to take, instead of continuing to engage in griping, complaining and namecalling.

You are the one that said President Obama is “your” President, what is that suppose to mean other than you are a Republican sophist?  Give me a break. 

You set a new record, you didn’t respond substantively to anything I said

MarthaA, June 24 at 7:16 pm #

Ardee the Republican Sophist,
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I genuinely feel sorry for you old lady, really I do. I suspect that, prior to the onset of senility you might have been capable of making sense. But, sadly , no longer.

Heres a clue witch, criticisms are allowed in a free society, speaking to the flaws and foibles of reality does not brand one as an agent of “the other side”, it is an excercize in free speech .

Why do you embarrass yourself so?

Old Ed of the Delta,Sir Echo,

Massive layoffs are not something that bothers the Republicans, and in the long run all the people would be better off with Single Payer Health Care.  More work will be made in the medical field, and less in the insurance field.  Seems like a good trade to me.  Most jobs are being outsourced anyway and this would be a way of keeping jobs in the United States. Insurance jobs aren’t necessarily in the United States anyway.

Sir Echo,

Every time I have been to the doctor, with private care, I have had to sit and wait, so I would feel right at home.

Bob Reich is correct.  Only a single payer plan will work, but it will cost a lot of jobs in this country.

I work in Materials Management for a large health care system.  When safeguards are put in place, the manufacturers and distributors immediately start developing a strategy to circumvent the system.

Yes, it will be a paradigm shift.  Yes, there will be significant mistakes along the way. Yes, partisan bickering will make working together more difficult, especially since the politicians get so much money from big pharma, medical supply companies, and organizations such as the AMA.  Only real campaign finance reform will change that situation.

Otherwise, it will be a long haul.  There is no quick fix.  New IRS regulations and anti-trust regulations are making a positive impact.  But it is just the beginning.

CORRECTION OF POST to Ardee the Republican Sophist, dated 6/24/09 7:16pm:

In the last paragraph the 6th line up from the bottom should read 75th Congress; instead of 71st Congress.

Sorry about the double posts, for some reason it appeared my post hadn’t taken and I inadvertently sent it again.

Jason!! is clueless, of course. Here’s the FACT: Virtually every industrial country in the world ALREADY provides universal health care to its citizens at LESS cost and with BETTER results than our current system. So why are we having this conversation? And health and education costs are higher because of government meddling? (Under what rock does he find this stuff?)

And to Sir Echo…what an absurd analogy. If we had universal health care the “scum” he so ignorantly dismisses would not A) be in line for Emergency care in the first place as they would have been properly treated at the preventive (and less expensive) level and B) be “scum” as they’d be receiving decent care.

Ardee the Republican Sophist,

The hem of your sophistry is hanging out, you may want to tuck it in a bit.

The Democratic Party was the Democratic Farmer Labor Party when FDR was in power.

What brought Roosevelt in was the Republicans crashed the economy with a worthless stock bubble and were looking for corporate welfare to put their FREE MARKET ECONOMY back together, “you people” crash the economy in cycles and call it a correction. Herbert “Chicken in Every Pot That is Just Around the Corner” Hoover is your man.

Fascism was going on at that time also in the United States, pushed by an American Roman Catholic priest Father Charles Edward Coughlin, the father of hate radio,  much the same as Rush Limbaugh, a sympathetic spirit with Father Coughlin: http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/coughlin.html, but Roosevelt pulled the country away from fascism with the help of the Institute For Propaganda Analysis, and we need to do the same today to get rid of the corporate fascist conservative/moderate Republican-Dems infesting the Democratic Party.

The abstract idealism of democracy that wants life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness with freedom and justice for all hasn’t changed a bit since the time of Franklin D. Roosevelt, and it is just as true today;  neither has the literal greed of the CONSERVATIVE RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST REPUBLICANS that stand in the way of change, since the time of Herbert Hoover and it is just as true today.

Herbert Hoover led the country into a time John Steinbeck made reference to as “The Grapes of Wrath” and your Ronald Reagan, Bush I and Bush II have led the country into a 21st Century “Grapes of Wrath”.  I guess in this respect you are right, nothing much has changed.

Franklin D. Roosevelt took office as President of the United States in 1933 and ruled at the end of the 72nd Congress.

In Herbert Hoover’s 71st Congress 1929-1931 there were 56 Republicans and 39 Democrats in the Senate; and there were 267 Republicans and 163 Democrats in the House.

Before Congress changed to Roosevelt’s promise of a NEW DEAL by the Democrats in the 72nd Congress 1931-1933, there were 48 Republicans and 47 Democrats in the Senate; and there were 218 Republicans and 216 Democrats in the House,

in Roosevelt’s 73rd NEW DEAL Congress 1933-1935, there were 36 Republicans and 59 Democrats in the Senate; and there were 117 Republicans and 313 Democrats in the House,

in Roosevelt’s 74th NEW DEAL Congress 1935-1937 there were 25 Republicans and 69 Democrats in the Senate;and there were 103 Republicans and 322 Democrats in the House;

in Roosevelt’s 75th NEW DEAL Congress 1937-1939 there were 17 Republicans and 75 Democrats in the Senate; and there were ONLY 89 Republicans and 333 Democrats in the House;

From 1929 to 1939, a 10 year period, the Republicans lost 39 Senators and the Democrats gained 36 Senators and the Republicans lost 178 House members and the Democrats gained 170 House members.

Republicans started out in 1929-1931 with a Majority of 56 out of 96 TOTAL Senators in Hoover’s 71st Congress and ended up with an extreme minority of ONLY 17 out of 96 TOTAL Senators in Roosevelt’s 75th NEW DEAL Congress from 1937-1939; and Republicans started out during the same period with 267 House members of a 435 TOTAL and ended up with an extreme minority of 89 House members out of a 435 TOTAL in the 71st Congress, and if, as you say, nothing changes, this is where the United States Congress is headed, as the masses will do the same in the Congress today, because the people are very aware of being left out of this picture.

Ardee the Republican Sophist,

The hem of your sophistry is hanging out, you may want to tuck it in a bit.

The Democratic Party was the Democratic Farmer Labor Party when FDR was in power.

What brought Roosevelt in was the Republicans crashed the economy with a worthless stock bubble and were looking for corporate welfare to put their FREE MARKET ECONOMY back together, “you people” crash the economy in cycles and call it a correction. Herbert “Chicken in Every Pot That is Just Around the Corner” Hoover is your man.

Fascism was going on at that time also in the United States, pushed by an American Roman Catholic priest Father Charles Edward Coughlin, the father of hate radio,  much the same as Rush Limbaugh, a sympathetic spirit with Father Coughlin: http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/coughlin.html, but Roosevelt pulled the country away from fascism with the help of the Institute For Propaganda Analysis, and we need to do the same today to get rid of the corporate fascist conservative/moderate Republican-Dems infesting the Democratic Party.

The abstract idealism of democracy that wants life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness with freedom and justice for all hasn’t changed a bit since the time of Franklin D. Roosevelt, and it is just as true today;  neither has the literal greed of the CONSERVATIVE RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST REPUBLICANS that stand in the way of change, since the time of Herbert Hoover and it is just as true today.

Herbert Hoover led the country into a time John Steinbeck made reference to as “The Grapes of Wrath” and your Ronald Reagan, Bush I and Bush II have led the country into a 21st Century “Grapes of Wrath”.  I guess in this respect you are right, nothing much has changed.

Franklin D. Roosevelt took office as President of the United States in 1933 and ruled at the end of the 72nd Congress.

In Herbert Hoover’s 71st Congress 1929-1931 there were 56 Republicans and 39 Democrats in the Senate; and there were 267 Republicans and 163 Democrats in the House.

Before Congress changed to Roosevelt’s promise of a NEW DEAL by the Democrats in the 72nd Congress 1931-1933, there were 48 Republicans and 47 Democrats in the Senate; and there were 218 Republicans and 216 Democrats in the House,

in Roosevelt’s 73rd NEW DEAL Congress 1933-1935, there were 36 Republicans and 59 Democrats in the Senate; and there were 117 Republicans and 313 Democrats in the House,

in Roosevelt’s 74th NEW DEAL Congress 1935-1937 there were 25 Republicans and 69 Democrats in the Senate;and there were 103 Republicans and 322 Democrats in the House;

in Roosevelt’s 75th NEW DEAL Congress 1937-1939 there were 17 Republicans and 75 Democrats in the Senate; and there were ONLY 89 Republicans and 333 Democrats in the House;

From 1929 to 1939, a 10 year period, the Republicans lost 39 Senators and the Democrats gained 36 Senators and the Republicans lost 178 House members and the Democrats gained 170 House members.

Republicans started out in 1929-1931 with a Majority of 56 out of 96 TOTAL Senators in Hoover’s 71st Congress and ended up with an extreme minority of ONLY 17 out of 96 TOTAL Senators in Roosevelt’s 75th NEW DEAL Congress from 1937-1939; and Republicans started out during the same period with 267 House members of a 435 TOTAL and ended up with an extreme minority of 89 House members out of a 435 TOTAL in the 71st Congress, and if, as you say, nothing changes, this is where the United States Congress is headed, as the masses will do the same in the Congress today, because the people of the 70% Majority Common Population as a class and culture are very aware of being left out of this picture.

Article quote:  “To get health care moving again in Congress, the president will have to be clear about how to deal with its costs and whether and how a public plan is to be included as an option. The two are intimately related. Enough talk. He should come out swinging for the public option.”

I agree, and us 85% will be right behind him, pitchforks sharpened and ready for use.

We are again, graced with the presence of certain “unregistered commenters” who support the crooks.  Hmmmmm…. they come crawling out of the cracks, like cockroaches.  It’s clear where America stands on the issue.  Everytime these posters post, the percentage of people for single-payer or the public option goes UP, have you noticed?  Bad strategy, dumb….

If the insurance companies don’t want a public option, lets simply set up single payer.  It’d be much easier.

Wendell Potter Exposes Health Insurance Politics and PR

Wendell Potter came to the Center for Media and Democracy in May as an admirer of our work exposing corporate front groups, lobbyists and PR manipulators.  He should know, he was one of the best PR executives in the health insurance business, CIGNA’s Vice President of Corporate Communications until he had a major change of heart.

Today Wendell is CMD’s Senior Fellow on Health Care, testifying before the US Senate Commerce Committee.  His passion is health care reform and his expertise is exposing how the powerful industry he once helped run is manipulating and managing the crucial issue of health care debate among policy makers, the public and in the media.

Read his first public article explaining how he changed from a top insurance PR pro to an advocate for universal health care in the United States:

  “I’m the former insurance industry insider now speaking out about how big for-profit insurers have hijacked our health care system and turned it into a giant ATM for Wall Street investors, and how the industry is using its massive wealth and influence to determine what is (and is not) included in the health care reform legislation members of Congress are now writing.”

Wendell is a personal hero of mine as well as now a co-worker and friend.  He gave up a large salary, benefits and top corporate job to promote the public interest.  We’re proud to be working with him.  As he says in his article:

  “One of the reasons I chose to become affiliated with the Center for Media and Democracy is because of the important work the organization does to expose often devious, dishonest and unethical PR practices that further the self interests of big corporations and special interest groups at the expense of the American people and the democratic principles this country was founded on.  After a long career in PR, I am looking forward to providing an insider’s perspective as a senior fellow at CMD, and I am very grateful for the opportunity to speak out for the rights and dignity of ordinary people.”

John Stauber, Executive Director

http://www.prwatch.org/ 

And, we get help from within.

MarthaA, June 24 at 3:14 pm #

G.Anderson,

Agreed. Democrats and Republicans are the whole of government; and corporations running the left-wing of government is the problem.  Democrats are the left-wing, Republicans are the right-wing. 
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This hodgepodge of political commentary wasnt even really true when FDR ruled the roost. It certainly is far from true today.

Private Insurance handling health care is not the solution:

http://www.personalliberty.com/news/private-insurer-rescinded-sick-patients-19224293/

“BruSays, June 19 at 4:59 pm Truthdig

It’s amazing that we Americans are searching for a solution to our exploding health care costs and our inabilities to bring universal health care to WE THE PEOPLE.

Maybe we should ask people from any of these countries if they have any ideas:

Argentina
Austria
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Brazil
Brunei
Bulgaria
Canada
Chile
China
Costa Rica
Croatia
Czech Republic
Cuba
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Georgia
Germany
Greece
Hong Kong
Hungary
Iceland
India
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Japan
Kuwait
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
Mexico
Netherlands
Norway
Pakistan
Panama
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Russia
Saudi Arabia
Serbia
Seychelles
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
South Korea
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan
Thailand
U.K.
Ukraine
Uruguay
Venezuela

Just an idea….”

I agree with Brusays. France would be a great starter.

Private Insurance handling health care is not the solution:

http://www.personalliberty.com/news/private-insurer-rescinded-sick-patients-19224293/

“BruSays, June 19 at 4:59 pm Truthdig

It’s amazing that we Americans are searching for a solution to our exploding health care costs and our inabilities to bring universal health care to WE THE PEOPLE.

Maybe we should ask people from any of these countries if they have any ideas:

Argentina
Austria
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Brazil
Brunei
Bulgaria
Canada
Chile
China
Costa Rica
Croatia
Czech Republic
Cuba
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Georgia
Germany
Greece
Hong Kong
Hungary
Iceland
India
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Japan
Kuwait
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
Mexico
Netherlands
Norway
Pakistan
Panama
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Russia
Saudi Arabia
Serbia
Seychelles
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
South Korea
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan
Thailand
U.K.
Ukraine
Uruguay
Venezuela

Just an idea….”

I agree with Brusays. France would be a great starter.  No harm is asking one of our own allies.

G.Anderson,

Agreed. Democrats and Republicans are the whole of government; and corporations running the left-wing of government is the problem.  Democrats are the left-wing, Republicans are the right-wing.  Corporations are the right-wing not the left-wing.  The people, the public, the 90% Majority Common Population are the entire left-wing.  As long as corporations are guiding the Ship of State from the left, the 20% Professional Middle Class Common Population, and the right, the American Aristocracy’s Elite Capitalist Class, the Ship of State will continue listing right and continue to run in circles getting nowhere, as far as the 70% Majority Common Population are concerned, because there is too much weight from the right and left listing the Ship of State to the right, and it is impossible for the Ship of State to right itself, unless some dead weight is tossed overboard.  The right-wing doesn’t mind going in circles, that’s what conservatives do; but the 70% Majority Common Population does not prefer to go in circles, so as a majority population they should come together and throw some dead right-wing weight from the Ship of State’s left-wing overboard in the 2010 Primary Elections, and replace them with live weight, and do the same thing every Primary Election until the Ship of State is completely balanced, no matter what the right-wing’s “confidence without merit” sophist propagandists on this blog say.

Sophist is one who uses a false argument to intentionally deceive with deceptive and misleading argument trying to make the worse reason appear the better reason and combined with binary emotional rhetoric, propaganda, sophists even further deceive the very elect.

We need a NON-PROFIT health care system.

Finally, I heard the question I have been posing for months and months now.  If health costs are hurting the international competitive ability of our companies, how will this supposed “reform”, which proposes to keep businesses in the health care supply line, help our country’s competitive edge?  What’s business doing in the health care system, anyway?  I don’t like my employer picking my health care choices.  And my employer doesn’t want to doit, either.

We need a NON-PROFIT single-payer plan.

The corporations are the biggest threat to this country, and to the people.

They don’t give one dam about anyone, that have marketing departments to handle public opinion, and lobbyists to buy off congressmen with campaign donations.

Other countrys have cradle to the grave care for their citizens, because they don’t have the AMA. They have doctors that practise medicine, we have practically none of that here.

Only a public option, will make a difference in all of this, without that, the corporations will continue to make lots of money keeping people sick.

This hypothesis is flawed but does a good job supporting Obama’s fear mongering and crisis fabrication.

If it were not for gov subsidies and meddling - the cost of insurance and health care would not be so high.

Look what they did to education costs. Government gives students $ for school. Schools raise tuition to fill the gap of free money.

The cost of medical care is only worth what people are willing to pay. Cut the free money out and costs will naturally retract.

JAOF - just another obama fail…

A Public Option IS the Trojan horses needed to get US into the Fortress these greedy, heartless SOB’s have built.HR 676 is a great Blueprint to ultimatley get US to a Universal healthcare system- but tips our hand.
Pres Obama threw down the gauntlet yesterday- the flaw to their oxymoronic self serving “logic”.
If Gov’t is so inept at running anything- then the Private Corps have nothing to Worry about, regarding unfair competition.
Yet they cry that a Public option will present an ‘Unfair’ level of competiton, thus driving them out of business.
So which is it Gov’t can’t run anything- Or gov’t runs things too well? I’m going with the latter.
Heres the Rub to the healthcare industries claims to the Free market and the UnConstitutionality which unlies it.
Our Founder knew nothing of ‘Inc’s’, Nor bothered to include anything in our Founding documents which superceded “WE the People”. Our Gov’t is to be ‘Of,For and By’ The People, aka a Democracy- not the Corps (reason for dire need of Campaign reform too).Thus our Gov’t is essentially the Proxy to “We the people”- and as such can not be Prohibited from entering the Market.
Corps and their pocket Politicians have Prohibited ‘WE the People’ from accessing the other side of the Market table. We have been relegted to act as mere labor for the ‘merchant class’ or consumers forced to purchase only the ‘wares’ they offer.
And if any issue epitomizes ‘We the peoples’ Right to “Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness” it is healthcare.
If a Public Option is not afforded to ‘We the People’ a Class action lawsuit should be filed with the SCOTUS. This constitutesnot only a violation of our Civil rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit…and Access to the Free market, but has endanged, and caused the loss of, Lives. This is a Civil and Criminal matter.

The big lie continues to work. It seems to be so very easy to mislead, midirect and misinform the American public, so is it any wonder we get ripped off with regularity and surprising ease?

Mandatory health care forced upon your family, trillions in costs, long lines and poor service, along with a panoply of other equally absurd contentions. Does noone look across the oceans and note that a long, long list of nations provide cradle to grave health care for every citizen with surprising ease and less expenditures by far than we now see here?

The problem, I believe, is that the American family has no advocate in government while the American corporation rules the roost. The next time you stand in your voting booth and contemplate which of your corporate enslaved candidates to vote for perhaps you might consider voting Green…..