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Posted on Jun 17, 2009
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Iran’s government has also been attentive to Twitter, cracking down on users twittering from Tehran.

Twitter, the popular microblogging network, has played a significant role in connecting people interested in the popular protests happening in Iran. The service has been so important that the State Department asked Twitter to stay online—and delay its scheduled maintenance—so as to keep Iranian dissent open to the rest of the world.

The Guardian:

The Obama administration, while insisting it is not meddling in Iran, yesterday confirmed it had asked Twitter to remain open to help anti-government protesters.

The company had planned a temporary shutdown to overhaul its service in the middle of the night on Monday but the US state department put in a request to postpone this.

Many protesters have being using Twitter to spread information about rallies and to share news.

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By Virginia777, June 19, 2009 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment

“The Obama administration, while insisting it is not meddling in Iran, yesterday confirmed it had asked Twitter to remain open to help anti-government protesters”

unn hunhh,“help”, right,

try destabilize:

http://www.chartingstocks.net/2009/06/proof-israeli -effort-to-destabilize-iran-via-twitter/

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By Ed Harges, June 19, 2009 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

Re: By Inherit The Wind, June 18 at 5:34 pm:

Well, OK then, I sit corrected, pretty much.

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By Folktruther, June 19, 2009 at 8:42 am Link to this comment

You’re right, Inherit, you go up the ladder of escalation diplomiatically before you unload the bomb of suspending aid, which is always the major threat.  But the population has to CALL for suspending aid to make the threat credible, and to put pressure on the power structure to put presssure on Israel. If the American people were united in suspending aid, it wouldn’t be necessary to do it.

But it is not effective to make vacuous and mebulous statements that one is in favor of a two state solution without concrete actions that support it. this is simply the duplicty of Obama, the rhetoric saying one thing while he does another.  His negotiation with the Yahoos for example, appear to be vacuous political theater, since they were building settler appartments in the northern West Bank while they were negiotiating.  And they’re bent on continuing them, which the US has effectively financed.

The American population must have clear and simple slogans to put pressure on the American power structure to overcome the decades of duplicity when the US was financing Palestinian ethnic cleansing.  the solution to the Israeli problem goes through Washington.

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By Robert, June 19, 2009 at 8:05 am Link to this comment

Gideon Levy on demonstrations there, silence here

The unrest in Iran makes me green with envy

06.18.2009 | Haaretz

By Gideon Levy

“We only take to the streets when there is a festival, hardly ever because of a scandal. Tel Aviv’s centennial or the book festival, the beer festival or the tomato festival - but never in protest. In Iran they are fighting for liberty, here for vacation time.

It’s true, there is liberty in Israel, but only for us, the Jews. We have a regime that is no less tyrannical than the ayatollahs’ regime: the regime of the officers and the settlers in the territories. But what do we have to do with any of this? In Iran, police disperse demonstrations with violence, they shoot and kill. And what do we do?

When you get a chance, go on Friday to Na’alin or Bil’in and see what happens there. Demonstrators are killed here with similar brutality, but in Iran the crowd is standing up to a tyrannical regime, while here only a handful of brave people stand up to the Border Police, who are firing weapons. Moreover, we hardly write anything about the protest being silenced with bullets. It interests no one, and this, too, is called democracy.

A democracy is not tested only with elections. A democracy is measured in everyday life. National aims are not achieved only through power hungry politicians; the street must also speak. In the latest polls, 64 percent of Israelis say they support a two-state solution. Great. But when Israel moves steadily away from such a solution, when the prime minister takes a small step forward but then raises more and more impossible obstacles, no one thinks to do anything. Have you heard a single political conversation recently? Nothing.

One can only imagine what would have happened if the day after Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech, that same silent and paralyzed majority that allegedly wants two states had taken to the streets to demand an end to the occupation. Or if they demanded that we say yes to the Arab peace initiative. What a boost that would have been, a genuine wind of change on whose strength Barack Obama, Netanyahu, Mahmoud Abbas and Bashar Assad could move forward together.

But when the street is silent, only the leaders are left, and their survival drives them.

Israel is now at a fateful crossroads, no less than Iran. An opportunity lies before it that will not be seen again, one that affects the future of all its people no less than the election results in Iran affect the Iranians’ fate. Missing the opportunity here will be just as decisive as four more years of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in power. But look what is happening in totalitarian Iran and what is happening here, the sole democracy in the Middle East, blah, blah, blah.”

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/gideon-levy-on-demonstrations-there-silence-here/

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By Robert, June 19, 2009 at 7:48 am Link to this comment

Preparing the Battlefield

The Bush Administration steps up its secret moves against Iran.

By Seymour M. Hersh

29/06/08 “New Yorker”—-“Late last year, Congress agreed to a request from President Bush to fund a major escalation of covert operations against Iran, according to current and former military, intelligence, and congressional sources. These operations, for which the President sought up to four hundred million dollars, were described in a Presidential Finding signed by Bush, and are designed to destabilize the country’s religious leadership. The covert activities involve support of the minority Ahwazi Arab and Baluchi groups and other dissident organizations. They also include gathering intelligence about Iran’s suspected nuclear-weapons program.

Clandestine operations against Iran are not new. United States Special Operations Forces have been conducting cross-border operations from southern Iraq, with Presidential authorization, since last year. These have included seizing members of Al Quds, the commando arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and taking them to Iraq for interrogation, and the pursuit of “high-value targets” in the President’s war on terror, who may be captured or killed. But the scale and the scope of the operations in Iran, which involve the Central Intelligence Agency and the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), have now been significantly expanded, according to the current and former officials. Many of these activities are not specified in the new Finding, and some congressional leaders have had serious questions about their nature.

Under federal law, a Presidential Finding, which is highly classified, must be issued when a covert intelligence operation gets under way and, at a minimum, must be made known to Democratic and Republican leaders in the House and the Senate and to the ranking members of their respective intelligence committees—the so-called Gang of Eight. Money for the operation can then be reprogrammed from previous appropriations, as needed, by the relevant congressional committees, which also can be briefed.

“The Finding was focussed on undermining Iran’s nuclear ambitions and trying to undermine the government through regime change,” a person familiar with its contents said, and involved “working with opposition groups and passing money.” The Finding provided for a whole new range of activities in southern Iran and in the areas, in the east, where Baluchi political opposition is strong, he said.”


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20203.htm

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By matti, June 19, 2009 at 12:26 am Link to this comment

How is a suspension of aid a “wrecking ball”?

Is there some sort of wrecking ball that comes with a magic UN-wrecking side to it that I’ve never heard about?

A suspension would be temporary and conditional, a wrecking ball is permanent and unconditional.

What good is our aid doing anyway?

Or does making weapons manufacturers rich and upholding anti-democratic regimes qualify as good policy in the U.S. now?

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By Inherit The Wind, June 18, 2009 at 9:11 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther, June 18 at 11:47 pm #

You certainly have a good point about the Supremes, Inherit.

As you know, I don’t favor either Irani election candidates policies, but I do like Ahmadinejad personally.  He’s a very small man, about 5 feet tall, and very gutsy.  But then I like Obama personally too.  Hell, I like most people, but I wouldn’t want them to marry my sister.  If I had one.

Inherit, would you suport Obama suspending aid to Israel until they agreed to a two state solution?
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Suspend? Why must everything be all or nothing with you? Wrecking ball instead of a scalpel?  Geez, thank goodness YOU don’t run foreign policy. I guess “diplomacy” is a 4-letter word to you.

What I do support is Obama ratcheting up the pressure on Israel as needed and reducing support to do so.  IF it requires going ALL the way to suspending all support then so be it—but if they will cooperate at a lower threshold then go there instead.

DUHHHHH!!!!!!

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By Folktruther, June 18, 2009 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment

You certainly have a good point about the Supremes, Inherit.

As you know, I don’t favor either Irani election candidates policies, but I do like Ahmadinejad personally.  He’s a very small man, about 5 feet tall, and very gutsy.  But then I like Obama personally too.  Hell, I like most people, but I wouldn’t want them to marry my sister.  If I had one. 

Inherit, would you suport Obama suspending aid to Israel until they agreed to a two state solution?

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By Inherit The Wind, June 18, 2009 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment

ason!!, June 18 at 1:32 pm #

boggs,

Are you kidding?

Your proposing that the Guardian Council is the equivalent to the US Supreme Court!?!?! Preposterous! Go back to sleep.
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I guess you haven’t seen today’s ruling that puts States’ Rights ahead of an accused person’s right to exculpatory evidence.

Today, the Fascist Five determined that a condemned man in Alaska may be denied access to the latest DNA evidence that could acquit him because the State of Alaska’s procedures don’t allow it.

The State and the bureaucracy are more important than preventing a citizen from a wrongful conviction.

How is that better than Iran?  This is Bush’s revenge on America for not letting him turn it into a fascist state so he could be President-for-Life.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 18, 2009 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment

Ed Harges, June 18 at 3:17 pm #

re:By Inherit The Wind, June 18 at 12:06 pm:

ITW writes: “But I also notice that with you, all that stuff gets trumped if they are hostile to the USA.”

Hostile to the USA??? You are the one who’s hostile to the USA. You are “pro-American” exactly to the extent that the US unquestioningly supports Israel.

If Israel were hostile to the US, you’d still love Israel. If the US were hostile or even indifferent to Israel, you’d hate the US. Anyone who’s read your crap can see that.

You are a textbook case of projection, ITW. By smearing me as “hostile to the USA”, you try to distract us from your deeply anti-American, Israel-first disloyalty to the USA.
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Ed, you are getting hysterical.  Control yourself.

No, I am ALREADY saying and have said that if Netanyahu continues his short-sighted and irrational course the US should exert all the pressure we can upon him, politically and economically (including military hardware) to convince him and his followers, or enough of his opponents, so that the course is changed.

I happen to think Israel is generally in the United States’ best interest and where it’s not diplomacy pressure need to be applied, as it would be with any foreign power.

Time for you nap, Ed.

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By Jason!!, June 18, 2009 at 1:09 pm Link to this comment

Ed,
Any relation to the holocaust museum shooter of recent? I can help but see the similarities between your comments and his.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Ed+Harges+Israel+site:truthdig.com

Must be members of the same club. Kind of creepy.

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By Ed Harges, June 18, 2009 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment

re:By Inherit The Wind, June 18 at 12:06 pm:

ITW writes: “But I also notice that with you, all that stuff gets trumped if they are hostile to the USA.”

Hostile to the USA??? You are the one who’s hostile to the USA. You are “pro-American” exactly to the extent that the US unquestioningly supports Israel.

If Israel were hostile to the US, you’d still love Israel. If the US were hostile or even indifferent to Israel, you’d hate the US. Anyone who’s read your crap can see that.

You are a textbook case of projection, ITW. By smearing me as “hostile to the USA”, you try to distract us from your deeply anti-American, Israel-first disloyalty to the USA.

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By Jason!!, June 18, 2009 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

boggs,

Are you kidding?

Your proposing that the Guardian Council is the equivalent to the US Supreme Court!?!?! Preposterous! Go back to sleep.

What shocks me are those commenting in support of the regime and are willing to turn their back on these people. Its sick. Really sick and if you don’t see it, you need a big fat FAIL stamped on your forhead.

Noted Iranian Activist Kianoosh Sanjari: “The People of Iran Will Not Forgive Obama For Siding With the Regime” (Audio-Video) 
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/06/iranian-hero-human-rights-activist.html

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By Inherit The Wind, June 18, 2009 at 9:06 am Link to this comment

Ed Harges, June 18 at 8:36 am #

ITW writes:

“Understand: EH and FT are VEHEMENT defenders of Ahmedinejad.”

As a matter of fact, no, ITW. In fact, if I were an Iranian, I would have voted for the opposition. If you didn’t have such a narrow mind, you would have noticed that I’m actually quite hostile to religious conservatism, whether Christian, Muslim, or Jewish.
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Oh, I noticed.  But I also notice that with you, all that stuff gets trumped if they are hostile to the USA.  If they are, you always figure they must have something going that’s right and start defending them.

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By Robert, June 18, 2009 at 8:18 am Link to this comment

Iran Faces Greater Risks Than It Knows

By Paul Craig Roberts

“June 17, 2009 “Information Clearing House”—Stephen Kinzer’s book, All the Shah’s Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East Terror, tells the story of the overthrow of Iran’s democratically elected leader, Mohammed Mosaddeq, by the CIA and the British MI6 in 1953. The CIA bribed Iranian government officials, businessmen, and reporters, and paid Iranians to demonstrate in the streets.

The 1953 street demonstrations, together with the cold war claim that the US had to grab Iran before the Soviets did, served as the US government’s justification for overthrowing Iranian democracy. What the Iranian people wanted was not important.

Today the street demonstrations in Tehran show signs of orchestration. The protesters, primarily young people, especially young women opposed to the dress codes, carry signs written in English: “Where is My Vote?” The signs are intended for the western media, not for the Iranian government.

More evidence of orchestration is provided by the protesters’ chant, “death to the dictator, death to Ahmadinejad.” Every Iranian knows that the president of Iran is a public figure with limited powers. His main role is to take the heat from the governing grand Ayatollah. No Iranian, and no informed westerner, could possibly believe that Ahmadinejad is a dictator. Even Ahmadinejad’s superior, Khamenei, is not a dictator as he is appointed by a government body that can remove him.

The demonstrations, like those in 1953, are intended to discredit the Iranian government and to establish for Western opinion that the government is a repressive regime that does not have the support of the Iranian people. This manipulation of opinion sets up Iran as another Iraq ruled by a dictator who must be overthrown by sanctions or an invasion.

On American TV, the protesters who are interviewed speak perfect English. They are either westernized secular Iranians who were allied with the Shah and fled to the West during the 1978 Iranian revolution or they are the young westernized residents of Tehran.

Many of the demonstrators may be sincere in their protest, hoping to free themselves from Islamic moral codes. But if reports of the US government’s plans to destabilize Iran are correct, paid troublemakers are in their ranks.

Some observers, such as George Friedman [ http://www.realclearworld.com/printpage/?url=http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2009/06/western_misconception_iran_rea.html ] believe that the American destabilization plan will fail.”

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“Neoconservatives damn the election for suppressing the “peace candidate” who might acquiescent to Israel’s demands to halt the development of Iranian nuclear energy.

Ideological and emotional agendas result in people distancing themselves from factual and analytical information, preferring instead information that fits with their material interests and emotional disposition. The primacy of emotion over fact bids ill for the future. The extraordinary attention given to the Iranian election suggests that many American interests and emotions have a stake in the outcome.”

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22856.htm

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By boggs, June 18, 2009 at 6:27 am Link to this comment

|Jason, you gotta be kidding, right? Don’t you remember our 2000 election? We let the Supreme Court decide who had the longest straw….

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By Ed Harges, June 18, 2009 at 5:36 am Link to this comment

ITW writes:

“Understand: EH and FT are VEHEMENT defenders of Ahmedinejad.”

As a matter of fact, no, ITW. In fact, if I were an Iranian, I would have voted for the opposition. If you didn’t have such a narrow mind, you would have noticed that I’m actually quite hostile to religious conservatism, whether Christian, Muslim, or Jewish.

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By Jason!!, June 18, 2009 at 5:13 am Link to this comment

RT @ ITW: lol

Bravo! Well Said!

“Understand: EH and FT are VEHEMENT defenders of Ahmedinejad and are in a state of complete denial over all the massive amounts of evidence of election fraud.  Had there been THIS much evidence in 2000 election in Florida, they would have been demanding armed insurrection to reclaim our democracy.  Remember: They don’t even believe Ahmedinejad said the things he said—it’s called “cognitive dissonance” where you simply cannot see hard facts and evidence that contradict the fantasy views you have created.  EH, FT and “The Contingent” suffer from it.”

Bravo! Well Said!

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By Shingo, June 18, 2009 at 5:12 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind,

Thanks for the benefit of the doubt. 

I should know better than to waste energy going after posters like nefesh, but when I read that the guy accused you, of all people, of being anti Israel, I couldn’t let it go.

Like I said many times, if Israel reflected your vision, it would be worth a state and a idea worth supporting.  Fer crying out loud, where would our society be without the contribution of Jewish people?
I still can’t make up my mind about this election and it’s aftermath.  I would love nothing more than to see that vulgar and unpleasant peasant removed from power, but I’m too cynical about what we’re seeing in the media to take anything at face value anymore.

Ahmedinejad’s behavior has been suspicious and his ramblings typically off the wall, so it’s hard to know if he’s just having his usual brain fart or exposed something underhanded.

It would be a great relief to see another Revolution take place, with the religious kooks displaced and the progressives take over, just so long as it came with a relatively soft landing.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 18, 2009 at 4:56 am Link to this comment

This thread has gotten stupid.

The issue is whether Obama asking Twitter to put off scheduled maintenance to allow Iranian dissidents to communicate broadly is about freedom of speech and expression or interference.

Of course, “The Contingent” thinks it’s interference, and EH, with his usual paranoia figures Twitter in Iran is all Israeli-driven (?). Of course, this is the usual dual view of “TC” that the Isrealis are malevolent Svengalis AND the Iranians are too STUPID to be able to use Twitter effectively on their own. 

I contest both contentions—I think the Iranians, particularly the student know EXACTLY how to use Twitter and the Internet to their advantage….DUH!!!!  Nor do I think the Israelis have the power to overwhelm and control that.

Understand: EH and FT are VEHEMENT defenders of Ahmedinejad and are in a state of complete denial over all the massive amounts of evidence of election fraud.  Had there been THIS much evidence in 2000 election in Florida, they would have been demanding armed insurrection to reclaim our democracy.  Remember: They don’t even believe Ahmedinejad said the things he said—it’s called “cognitive dissonance” where you simply cannot see hard facts and evidence that contradict the fantasy views you have created.  EH, FT and “The Contingent” suffer from it.

I’ll defend Shingo from this charge.  At least Shingo, while vehement in many ways and sometimes right-down frustrating, still uses his brain and WILL head-on address or even acknowledge inconvenient facts. (EH and FT simply ignore them) Shingo may share parallel views with “TC”, but is not part of it.

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By Shingo, June 17, 2009 at 9:03 pm Link to this comment

nefesh,

Surviving the horrors of Auschwitz seems to conveniently confer wisdom, morality, or love for one’s people when it’s convenient doesn’t it Nefesh?

And thanks for pointing out that while Zionists consider it a nobel ideology to believe in and fight for their right to self-determination in their own homeland, Israel has for 60 years, denied that right to the Palestinians. In fact, last November, Israel voted against a resolution granting the Palestinians the right to self determination.

So you prove my and Meyer’s point.  Israel is indeed a fascistic and apartheid state.

Of course, you can’t dismiss Mandella and Tutu as lacking wisdom, so your lame and juvenile response to their observation is that “you don’t care”.  You say that are not infallible, yet seem to be asserting that you are.

How enlightening!!

“Why don’t you quote Yasser Arafat and Bin Laden next?”

Now the petulant little Zionist child comes out. Mind you, I could quote Arafat indeed, like when he said he recognized Israel, just before your beloved Israel went and killed him.

Ouch!

Most of the IDF soldiers who have lost their lives did not do so in the process of defending their families, their property, their freedoms.  Most of the conflicts Israel has been involved in were for the purpose of stealing land, maintaining their regional dominance or simply maintaining their occupation.

Of course the IDF is able and willing to confront Arabs, so long as they are equipped with state of the art weaponry (payed for by the Us tax payer) and can do so from a safe distance. Man to man combat you say? Is that before and after an F016 or apache Helicopter has leveled the neighborhood?  Is that with or without a Palestinian child as a human shield in front of them?

Funny you should talk about man to man combat.  One Haaretz article observed that the last time Israel really did that, when they had their asses handed to them by Hezbollah, Israel was soundly defeated because none of the soldiers was willing to die for his country.

The IDF only went into Gaza after weeks of aerial bombing, most of which killed women and children.  The indiscriminate rocketing only started when Israel broke the ceasefire on November the 4th.  For 4 months before that, there was no rocketing from Hamas.

Hamas fled did they?  Where did they flee to in a tiny open air prison like Gaza?  Oh that’s right, Israel said so, so it must be true.

That and the BS about commandeered civilian Arab homes and hospitals to use the occupants as human shields and to use as cover to draw IDF fire.  It turns out that only the lying Israeli governments is telling that story, because your heroic IDF conveniently blocked all foreign journalists from entering Gaza (violating a ruling by their own Supreme Court) and thus preventing independent reports from giving an independent assessment the way they did in Lebanon, when Israel’s lies were exposed.

Amnesty and HRW Claims Discredited in Detailed Report
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/amnesty_and_hrw_claims_discredited_in_detailed_report

Human Rights Watch: Troubling Report
http://www.nysun.com/opinion/human-rights-watch-troubling-report/46037/

Israeli ‘human shield’ claim is full of holes
http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090113/FOREIGN/591536290/1002

That’s Israel for you. Israel – founded on terrorism, by terrorists for terrorists.

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By boggs, June 17, 2009 at 9:02 pm Link to this comment

Israel is no better then the nazi’s who tried to eradicate them. They now do the same thing to the Palestinians. Only more suffering because it is long term suffering. At least the nazi ovens were quick!
Ahmadineajad sees the suffering of the Palestinians and for that I rate him above Bush and most of our Washington DC politicians.

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By nefesh, June 17, 2009 at 8:41 pm Link to this comment

Shingo, June 17 at 11:17 pm wrote:

nefesh,

On the contrary, it is provably accurate.  The truth hurts I know. I feel great tonight smile

Here’s what a survivor from Auschwitz has to say:

“But when Ariel Sharon was elected [prime minister] in Israel in 2001, the media remained silent. But in the 1980s I understood the deeply fascist thinking of these politicians. “
Hajo Meyer, author of the book The End of Judaism   Surviving the horrors of Auschwitz does not automatically confer wisdom, morality, or love for one’s people. For every Jew who adopts such extreme positions there are millions of others who believe in and fight for their right to self-determination in their own homeland. No surprise you would quote the author of a book with that title, none at all.

And of course, both nelson Mandella and Desmond Tutu (who know a thing or two about apartheid) both said that Israel’s apartheid was worse than South Africa. I don’t care what they said - they are wrong. Each has earned the tremendous respect they deserve for their work in their own country, but even they are not infallible.

Then we have the father of apartheid Hendrik Verwoerd, who said that:

“The Jews took Israel from the Arabs after the Arabs had lived there for a thousand years. Israel like South Africa, is an apartheid state” (Rand Daily Mail, 23 Novemeber 1961). Again, I don’t care what this guy said. Why don’t you quote Yasser Arafat and Bin Laden next?

“If you feel so passionate, why not go strap on some nail-packed explosives and do what your heroes do? Lacking the cojones?”

I would much prefer doing it the way Israeli’s do it - from the air conditioned comfort of an F-16 fighter 30,000 feet up in the air.

you’re not suggesting that IDF have no cojones now are you nefesh?  The IDF has lost tens of thousands of soldiers who risked their lives defending their families, their property, their freedoms in their own country. You know nothing when you suggest the IDF is not able or willing to confront genocidal Arabs in house to house and man to man combat. When the IDF had to go into Gaza to stop the incessant indiscriminate rocketing of Israeli civilians, they went in on foot - infantry - while Hamas fled, and commandeered civilian Arab homes and hospitals to use the occupants as human shields and to use as cover to draw IDF fire. You and your boys are the ones without cojones.

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By Shingo, June 17, 2009 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment

nefesh

Your hero Abba Eben also speaks of the fascistic nature of Israel.

First, he describes the policy of targeting civilians and collective punishment (a la Nazis).

“There was a rational prospect, ultimately fulfilled, that affected populations would exert pressure for the cessation of hostilities, satisfying Israel’s goals.”

Then:

Commenting on a speech by Menachem Begin, that represented a picture, Eben said, “of an Israel wantonly inflicting every possible measure of death and anguish on civilian populations, in a mood reminiscent of regimes which neither Mr Begin nor I would dare to mention by name (ie. the Nazis)”.

Too easy.

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By Shingo, June 17, 2009 at 8:17 pm Link to this comment

nefesh,

On the contrary, it is provably accurate.  The truth hurts I know.

Here’s what a survivor from Auschwitz has to say:

“But when Ariel Sharon was elected [prime minister] in Israel in 2001, the media remained silent. But in the 1980s I understood the deeply fascist thinking of these politicians. “
Hajo Meyer, author of the book The End of Judaism

And of course, both nelson Mandella and Desmond Tutu (who know a thing or two about apartheid) both said that Israel’s apartheid was worse than South Africa.

Then we have the father of apartheid Hendrik Verwoerd, who said that:

“The Jews took Israel from the Arabs after the Arabs had lived there for a thousand years. Israel like South Africa, is an apartheid state” (Rand Daily Mail, 23 Novemeber 1961).

“If you feel so passionate, why not go strap on some nail-packed explosives and do what your heroes do? Lacking the cojones?”

I would much prefer doing it the way Israeli’s do it - from the air conditioned comfort of an F-16 fighter 30,000 feet up in the air.

you’re not suggesting that IDF have no cojones now are you nefesh?

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By nefesh, June 17, 2009 at 8:08 pm Link to this comment

Shingo, June 17 at 11:00 pm wrote:

and Israel would not be an apartheid, fascist state.

Stale, trite, hackneyed, shrill, and demonstrably false.  ~Y A W N~

If you feel so passionate, why not go strap on some nail-packed explosives and do what your heroes do? Lacking the cojones?

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By Shingo, June 17, 2009 at 8:00 pm Link to this comment

nefesh,

IN your own words, you owe Muslims a mountain of gratitude - without Muslims for you to disparage, lie about, generally insult, and delude himself with crazy-ass conspiracy theories, your life would have no purpose, and Israel would not be an apartheid, fascist state.

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By nefesh, June 17, 2009 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther, June 17 at 9:37 pm wrote:

Not only does the US use journalists and other truth sources in Iran, it uses the military and CIA.  A former military head of Pakistan stated on the radio yesterday that they have documents thta the CIA spent four hindred million dollars in the Iran election.  Also the US has Special Troops in Iran, trying to get the minorities to rebel.

Define truth sources please.

Do you automatically believe what an unnamed “former military head of Pakistan stated on the radio”? What about the tooth fairy?

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By Folktruther, June 17, 2009 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

Not only does the US use journalists and other truth sources in Iran, it uses the military and CIA.  A former military head of Pakistan stated on the radio yesterday that they have documents thta the CIA spent four hindred million dollars in the Iran election.  Also the US has Special Troops in Iran, trying to get the minorities to rebel.

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By nefesh, June 17, 2009 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment

Jason!!, June 17 at 4:16 pm wrote:

Ed, that is very ignorant.

But to you, its always the evil Jews at work huh. Hence, your endering love for Ahmadinejad.

For those not willing to accepts Ed’s propoganda, you can view the tweets yourself:

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=#Iranelection

Ed owes Jews a mountain of gratitutde - without Jews for him to disparage, lie about, generally insult, and delude himself with crazy-ass conspiracy theories, his life would have no purpose.

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By Jason!!, June 17, 2009 at 1:16 pm Link to this comment

Ed, that is very ignorant.

But to you, its always the evil Jews at work huh. Hence, your endering love for Ahmadinejad.

For those not willing to accepts Ed’s propoganda, you can view the tweets yourself:

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=#Iranelection

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By boggs, June 17, 2009 at 10:31 am Link to this comment

ED, Yeah, really. (LOL) Who do they think they are kidding?
Our propaganda is alive and well and in full operation, I must say I’m impressed that Obama has political pull with TWITTER. And why would he even have time to care?
Perhaps it takes his mind of the faulty healthcare they about to give the american people.

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By Ed Harges, June 17, 2009 at 10:00 am Link to this comment

And how much of this twittering is actually coming from Tel Aviv?

I can go on Twitter and “report” from Buckingham Palace, if I want.

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