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Congress OKs Anti-Smoking Bill

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Posted on Jun 12, 2009
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The bill is aimed to also stop the 3,500 kids (or 70 filled school buses) who start smoking every day.

Congress gave final approval to a bill that gives the federal government far-reaching power to try to decrease smoking in the U.S. Positioned to be much more effective than those stupid tobacco company-sponsored “Truth” commercials, the bill would limit nicotine levels and use of words like mild and light.

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The Wall Street Journal:

A bill allowing the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to regulate tobacco is on the way to the White House for President Barack Obama’s signature.

A day after the U.S. Senate overwhelmingly approved the measure, the House passed it Friday on a 307-97 vote.

Obama supports the bill. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Thursday that her agency looked forward to implementing it.

The FDA now will take on an unprecedented role overseeing the production and marketing of cigarettes.

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By Green Smoke Reviews, March 9, 2011 at 4:12 am Link to this comment

70 school bus loads of kids start smoking every day? That’s an astonishing statistic! I had no idea, and I think that’s a shame. As a matter of fact I think everyone should know. Thanks for sharing it with me, I’ll share it with others.

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By WykydRed, June 15, 2009 at 1:52 am Link to this comment

Anti-Smokers LIE. Gee, what a surprise. Yes, tobacco companies too lied. But the Anti-smokers lie more, and worse, without any proof whatsoever, they simply accept the words of anyone who says anything they already believe in, and pass it on as if god almighty has spoken these words himself.

The “Truth” is simply, anti-smoking doctors studied the effects of tobacco and found that it is NOT the demon anti-smoking liars want to make it. In fact, they found that there was NO PROOF of cancer-causation in humans simply because the tests had begun at the same time gas stoves introduced to households and environmental aggrigates that were carcinogenic zoomed. The reports of two leading doctors (go on, I’m not going to tell you! Get off your dull asses and google the studies for yourselves!) who spent 21 years doing studies were told by ASH and other anti-smoking groups that the data in their studies “just were not bad enough”. The doctors refused to change their data to match these demanding Nazis and warned them early on their actions were simply going too far, so both were forced to leave the anti-smoking regime! (Here’s a hint: One of them demanded that ASH apologize publicly for altering his data and slandering him, going as far as to make up false quotes and “articles” with his name on them that he had NOTHING to do with.) Is this beginning to sound like the Scientologists?

Take them all to court. That’s right. Instead of simply following along, business especially should just take these people to court and make THEM prove what they say. Because they can’t. And lots of doctors are ready to step up and prove these liars to be what they are.

And now that “science” has magically discovered that hormone replacement therapy does in fact cause lung cancer and women are being hurriedly removed from the “treatments”, anti-smokers MUST remove 87% of the “cigarette-related deaths” from their falsified numbers anyway because that’s the percentage insurance companies, medical communities and even fucking WHO and the CDC have to remove by their own admissions.

England has given up on the bullshit, mostly because they can no longer afford it, or the bribes they are forced to turn over to other countries to stir the pot for these foulest of special interest groups. Their “youth smoking” numbers are up to 59%, between the ages of 10-18. Ours are worse here in America.

So take away 59% of that “magical” 1.3 billion people who “die every year from smoking” and what do you get?.... Another lie, because the 1.3 billion is a fucking lie to start with.

When anti-smoking docs find that second hand smoke does NOT cause heart attacks in people under 55 who do not have congenital heart defects, asthma in children, asthma in adults, or anything that ASH is claiming and passing to its butt-kissing fanatic offshoots, something is wrong. But, no one is really listening to them anymore. People get their cigarettes online and don’t pay taxes on them, Native Americans make money and can live off breadlines, and non-smokers have had it with the fanatics. The pendulum swings back because of the hysterical liar once again. People are giving less of a shit than ever, and they want their money back that’s been doled out hand over fist to these anti-smoking groups and other countries. So let’s sue the shit out of them and their supporters. Court can be the light of day….

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By Caleb Dobbs, June 13, 2009 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment
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@ Outraged, I’m not sure what I said that you found so hilarious (because you didn’t elaborate), but whatever, I’m glad you got a kick out of it anyway. 

As to what you said, I don’t see where we are in disagreement.  While I think the government oversteps its bounds with this current anti-smoking nonsense, I am far more offended when it ventures into telling restaraunt and bar owners they can’t allow smoking in their own establishments.  You’re right, it’s not rocket science – if you don’t want to be around it, go to the other guy’s eatery where it’s not permitted.  And if all the places in town allow it, stay home and eat.

So what’s the problem?  Maybe you were trying to say that I support “those who would endorse lies and chaos.”  By that I suppose you mean the government should keep cigarette companies from lying about their product.  I agree.  Indeed the only proper function of government (other than things like maintaining roads and bridges, etc. that we all use in common) is to protect citizens from force and fraud.  Clearly if Marlboro was putting out ads that said, “smoke our brand and you’ll get laid, and your hairline will stop receding, and you’ll be stronger and more energetic,” that would be a case where I’d allow the State to step in and put a halt to it.  But this whole business about nitpicking “low-tar” or “light,” or not having young, sexy people in their advertisement is just overly meddlesome, and a general waste of time.  C’mon, do you really think lights or 100s or what-not are good for you?  The company can say it’s not as bad all they want, because technically, it isn’t as bad.  But only by a fractional degree.  If a person falls for that, they need more help than the government can give. 

I just think that falls under the category of problems the government should be allowed to address.  I mean, if you think too many people are drunks, is it because Anheuser Busch puts too many hot girls in their ads?  Trust me, they can put whoever they want in as many tv spots as can they afford, but it still won’t make Budweiser taste any better.  I prefer a good wheat beer myself, or maybe a nice rich lager – mostly microbrews.  Anyway, nothing Bud can say in an ad is going to make me buy it.  But even if their efforts were successful, does that mean A.B. is responsible for the quantity of their beverage consumed at any one sitting by a given individual?  Of course not.  How much your neighbor drinks is his business, not yours. 

That’s kind of what I’m getting at.  I’m a live and let live kind of guy.  If you had to put my politics into a category, I’m basically a libertarian.  I believe in a free and voluntary society.  Thus, I oppose statism – the idea of a huge powerful central government that has its fingers in every facet of your life.  Remember that everything the State does, it does by coercion (force, essentially).  So when you talk about Social Security, you’re talking about the government stealing money from workers, and giving it to people who have stopped working.  When you talk about prohiibtion, you’re talking about the nanny State persecuting and prosecuting drug users to save them from themselves, and make them moral and upstanding citizens. 

I will never condone such despicable abuse of power.  And the anti-smoking lunatics have been stepping across the line of what constitutes proper government for a long time.  People need to mind their own business, and throw of the shackles of the overbearing, intrusive, “we know what’s best for you” State.

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By Outraged, June 13, 2009 at 2:34 am Link to this comment

Re: Caleb Dobbs

Your comment:  Join the rest of us who know how dire our current situation is when the government uses its power and force to do things like attacking tobacco companies, taking over the auto industry, and nationalizing healthcare.  And that’s on top of the enormous list of things government already does that it has no authority to do, such as Social Security, Medicare, drug prohibition, and other outrages too numerous to mention.  Not all of life’s problems should (or even can) be solved by government!!

Lol….Lol….Lol….. that’s coming from one who smokes,  cigarettes, that is.  Try again.  This comment (unregistered, of course) is truly comical.  I can agree with those who say we should not inherently see “cigarette smokers” as evil, however…. your mantra is a laugh a minute.  Let’s be real.

I can agree that there are “those” who think the government can solve “all their problems”..... on the other hand, there are those who would endorse lies and chaos.  I sense that this is because, there are “those” who are ideological, TO A FAULT or use it when it befits them.

I do disagree with banning smoking in so-called “public places”(this is outside of actual publicly owned places), simply because… if I own an establishment and it’s MINE, the government should NOT be telling me I can or cannot allow THAT WHICH IS LEGAL.  If you do not like my establishment because I allow smoking…. simply do not frequent it or work there, this is not rocket science.

Basically, this would be not unlike anti-abortionists not working in abortion clinics…., that makes sense to me.  This does not on the other hand mean that we should outlaw abortion clinics.

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By Caleb Dobbs, June 12, 2009 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment
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@ cndfox - no, what is hard to fathom is how anyone could have such a poor understanding of our Constitutional Republic that they think government can just do whatever 51% of the people want it to do.  Americans have become so dumbed down that they can’t distinguish between society and government.  There are plenty of societal problems that should never, under any circumstances, be addressed by government.  Why?  Because government is force, and many of the issues we as individuals and we as a society face are not issues that should be decided by using force.  There is a reason we are a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.  In a pure Democracy, all issues before the government are decided by a direct vote, and the majority wins.  This is nothing more than mob rule.  Here’s an old axiom that may help, “democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.”  Get it?  Just because the majority wants something, does not mean they get to do it.  Just because Congress desires passage of certain legislation, does not mean it is allowed.  The beauty of our form of government is that it is limited by its charter, the Constitution.  In this way, individuals are protected from the whims of the masses and the politicians.  Otherwise, if enough people supported a measure to ban ice cream, or tax nail salons at 85%, or prohibit the wearing of red t-shirts on Tuesdays, the federal government could just do it.  So, just because smoking is a disgusting habit that wreaks terrible damage upon the user’s body, it does not give the rest of us the right to force you not to do it.  The politicians are out there slapping each other on the back, saying how wonderful it is that their new and historic regulations are going to prevent teens from starting smoking.  Oh, it’s historic all right - because it is such a dangerous and infuriating assault on a private business for selling its wares (however gross and unhealthy those wares happen to be).  Please, cndfox, don’t be a helpless, clueless follower of the government.  It has limits for a reason.  Without them, your rights and freedoms could never be secure.  Wake up!  Read the Constitution (specifically the 10th Amendment).  Then read the Federalist Papers and the Anti-Federalist Papers to find out why it was designed the way it was.  Join the rest of us who know how dire our current situation is when the government uses its power and force to do things like attacking tobacco companies, taking over the auto industry, and nationalizing healthcare.  And that’s on top of the enormous list of things government already does that it has no authority to do, such as Social Security, Medicare, drug prohibition, and other outrages too numerous to mention.  Not all of life’s problems should (or even can) be solved by government!!

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By WykydRed, June 12, 2009 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

What the hell is wrong with people? Just go here: No taxes. Their prices just went up to $22 a carton after 5 years of getting them for $11.99 ... Or go e-cig. No tobacco, you can get the e-juice in different levels of nicotine and flavors and it is WAAAAAY cheaper! And no carcinogenics at all or anything dangerous.

Stop getting bullied into giving up your rights, call the IRS and stop paying ANY taxes and for fuck’s sake, check your Constitution. Prohibition is NOT allowed in this country under ANY conditions.

There’s only 6 1/2 years left. How about everyone just sit back, shut up and let people LIVE? The Anti-smokers have ensured the next 3 generation of smokers with their bullshit. And now they’re being paid by Big Pharm and Big Tobacco to stand against the e-cig because it doesn’t involve tobacco and has ZERO output! Same reason the American frigging Lung Association is against it: 600 million plus in “donations” from B.P. and B.T.

America. Land of the free, home of the brave. Like hell. Nothing but a pack of bleating sheep startled by rain. And the sun coming up. And the sun going down…..

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By cndfox, June 12, 2009 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment
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How anyone could be cynical or disapproving of this legislation is hard to fathom. Evidently their lives have never turned upside down by this horrible product. The only one I know of that does exactly what it is intended to do when used continuously - end your life prematurely while racking up tremendous costs that are left to the rest of the living. How can anyone (and I have seen many bloggers who are) be cynical about the first good thing our politicians have done bi-partisanly in a long, long time?

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By Bruce Mathews, June 12, 2009 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment
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Why does our government want to OPERATE an industry that KILLS US???

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By Louise, June 12, 2009 at 12:19 pm Link to this comment

Right now, the 1000+ percent tax on smoking has led a lot of folks to quit. So what’s going on here? Not enough quiting? Oh wait a minute. If they all quit, who’s going to pick up the lost billions in tax revenue?

Could it be the gov cant find another way to replace that tax? Obviously there is only one solution, get people smoking again. And how can we do that when we have done such a magnificent job of convincing smokers they not only kill, but they are evil?

Simple really. Give smoking the stamp of approval, aka the Food and Drug administration. Truly a stroke of genious.

‘Course that wont make any difference to the folks who can no longer afford that outrageous tax. So Ignore that voice in the corner telling us this is to save the kids. What this is, is a clever way to hook the kids, and keep that revenue coming in. So I guess it’s worth a try. And as we all know, when it comes to Congress and there never ending search for money ... they’ll try anything.

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