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Posted on May 15, 2009
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Nancy Pelosi has made herself vulnerable to attacks after appearing to venture into Equivocation Land this week in her public tussle with the CIA over when she knew the U.S. was employing what we call “torture” on suspected terrorists. Enter Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, stage right, to do his part to bring Pelosi down from her vaunted position.

CNN:

Gingrich said Pelosi “lied to the House” when she earlier claimed that the CIA had never briefed her about the Bush administration’s use of interrogation methods like waterboarding, which is considered torture by the current administration.

“I think that the House has an absolute obligation to open an inquiry, and I hope there will be a resolution to investigate her. And I think this is a big deal. I don’t think the speaker of the House can lie to the country on national security matters,” the Republican leader said in an interview with ABC Radio.

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By hippie4ever, May 17, 2009 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

“I think this is a big deal. I don’t think the speaker of the House can lie to the country on national security matters,” said Newt Gingrich.

Why not? Is this the exclusive perogative of the GOP?

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By Leefeller, May 17, 2009 at 8:57 am Link to this comment

Sides are necessary in the grand scheme of things, reality is not needed, only a cause, for fanatics have no use for reason.

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By KDelphi, May 16, 2009 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

freedomloving american—LIBERAL?! Where did I say that MSNBC was “liberal”. Chris Matthews is a histrionic dolt and Olbermann and he just sit and kiss up to people like you. It is plain that MSNBC is just a neo-liberal stand in for neo-conservatives FOX. If you dont want to think for yourself, Keith , Chris and Rachel will do it for you.

As Naomi Klein said, time to take off the Obama t-shirts.

Being a true progressive ( or liberal, if you will) I prefer to think for myself rather than pretend that MSNBC has any type of credability at all.

The NYT it conservative, too.

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By ardee, May 16, 2009 at 2:33 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther, May 16 at 12:38 pm #

Cute, Ardee.  the media emphasizes the Gop-Dem aspect of the struggle rather than both parties complicity in intitutionalizing torture, and you interpret my comment to mean that we shouldn’t hold the Dems, and Pelosi, responsible.
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You’re cute too! Forgive me if you thought I was expounding or expanding upon your thoughts. No intent intended….I also do not seek to absolve anyone of blame, only to refrain from leaping off a cliff only to satisfy the motives of the Newts and Bohners et al.


I vehemently disagree.  Pelosi, if not quite as disgusting as Gingrich, (who owuld be?) should be held responosble for helping to institutionalize torture in the US power system, with Rockeveller, Feinstein and the rest.
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As I already noted elsewhere, what we seem to have is a ‘he said she said’ situation , one in which I am equally unprepared to believe either the politicians or the CIA , an organization far too involved in politics than is comfortable.

Look, Folktruther, cute as you are grin surely you can understand that I have a long list of blame to lay at the feet of the Democratic Party, especially their leadership. But ,if I wish to bring a voting majority with me to the booths, I think it best to speak to fact and not to possible fictions with intent to sway elections with falsehoods, as the Rush’s , Newts, et al have been known to do.

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By freedom loving american, May 16, 2009 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

Kdelphi__ Yes the network that has “Morning Joe” on for 2 or 3 hours in the morning has GE is its parent company.  I will give you this that for whatever reason MSNBC has 2 commentators that try to cover the news in a objective manner, which seems so bizarre within the republican controlled MSM that it appears liberal.

I suppose you think the New York Times is liberal too?  LMFAO

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By KDelphi, May 16, 2009 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

freedom loving american—You think MSNBC is “Republican owned”? (If it is, it is certainly Democrat Party influenced) Wouldnt you rather have a press that didnt pander to either party?

The problem today is not finding media that slants to your particular (Dem?) point of view, but, finding media that respects you enough to let you think for yourself.

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By freedom loving american, May 16, 2009 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment

The only act I can think about that is more un-American than torture is being responsible for ordering, others to torture for war profiteering motives.  That is the story a “free press” would be pursuing.  But given the republican owned controlled and sponsored propaganda machine called the “free press” in the United States of America.  Forget it.

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By KDelphi, May 16, 2009 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

Here is what Pelosi knew (and many others)

“...But contrary to Pelosi’s assertion, The Washington Post reported that Pelosi and other Democrats were “given a virtual tour of the CIA’s overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk:”

Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.

“The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough,” said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.

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“Among those being briefed, there was a pretty full understanding of what the CIA was doing,” said [Porter] Goss, who chaired the House intelligence committee from 1997 to 2004 and then served as CIA director from 2004 to 2006. “And the reaction in the room was not just approval, but encouragement.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/scahill04242009.html

Jeremy Scahill

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By KDelphi, May 16, 2009 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

One thing that Democrats need to accept, if we are ever to move forward, as a country, is that, GOP being evil m-fers does not make Democrats guiltless.

The sexual sadism involved in much of the torure, is very disturbing to anyone trained in psychology, and, as one who has had limited work with sexual sadists….do you think that these perpetrators (who, I am sure, just dreamed all this up one night, each , individually…) will just come home and “forget it”? These wounded human beings will be all around us. When one asks to marry your daughter, (each Congressperson with a daugher or son should have their daughters—or sons—marry a GITMO or Abu Gharaib guard…)and, asks her to spend her honeymonn with a hood on, dont complain, if you didnt call for independent investigation.

Hyperbole? Not at all…


David Rosen on Sexual Torture (counterpunch.org)
“....Sexual torture served two purposes on those subjected to such abuse: to physically harm and to emotionally scar. It was intended to break male inmates. It sought to inflict both pain and shame, to make the recipient suffer and loathe himself. Sexual torture attempted to break the victim both physically and spiritually, to leave scars on (and inside) the body and in the psyche.”

The U.S. and international press revealed disturbing episodes of sexual terror used by American forces. For example, The Associated Press reported that a former inmate, Dhia al-Shweiri, was ordered by American soldiers to strip naked, bend over and place his hands on a wall; while not sodomized, he says he was humiliated: “We are men. It’s OK if they beat me,” al Shweiri said. “Beatings don’t hurt us; it’s just a blow. But no one would want their manhood to be shattered.”

Scotland’s “Sunday Herald” reported that a former Iraqi prisoner claimed that there is a photo of a civilian translator raping a male juvenile prisoner; he stated, “They covered all the doors with sheets. I heard the screaming, … and the female soldier was taking pictures.”

London’s “Independent” reported on the experience of Hayder Sabbar Abd, immortalized as the man in the hood in infamous Abu Ghraib photo of Lynndie England. Abd alleges that he was ordered to masturbate as Ms. England “put her hands on her breasts,” which he couldn’t; and to simulate fellatio with another prisoner, which he appears to have done.

The “Sydney Morning Herald” noted: “Female interrogators tried to break Muslim detainees at Guantanamo Bay by sexual touching, wearing a miniskirt and thong underwear and in one case smearing a Saudi man’s face with fake menstrual blood, according to an insider’s written account.”

NO investigation , huh? To “protect the troops”?? You have to be kidding me…

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By godistwaddle, May 16, 2009 at 11:26 am Link to this comment

You don’t like Pelosi being a bit fascistic (like all Democrats).  You don’t like Newt being a bit fascist (like all Repubs).  Get used to the two-party system to protect the oligarchy and the plutocracy.

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By freedom loving american, May 16, 2009 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

This is the funniest most unbelievable article I’ve ever read.  No wait I’m wrong it is simply a typical article from the republican advertising arm the MSM.  We must remember rupukes are sly and are great “snake oil salesmen”  which is how they came to own most of America. 

But changing the story on the most repugnant, brutal, torturing, gang of criminals ever to usurp power, the bush administration, into some indictment of an innocent congressperson is so republican it is unbelievably silly.

newt, slither back under the salamander that gave birth to you..forgive me, if I offended any salamanders..

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By Noticed, May 16, 2009 at 9:47 am Link to this comment
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Was Nancy Pelosi the only person in the room during these briefings?  According to Bob Graham’s notebooks (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/14/graham-cia-gave-me-false_n_203683.html), the CIA is referring to briefings that never happpened. 

It wouldn’t be the first time that the CIA misled Congress (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=05&year=2009&base_name=the_cia_lie_to_congress_its_ha).

If Newt wants Pelosi investigated, then he must be in support of a full investigation of the entire torture program, right?  Wrong.

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By Folktruther, May 16, 2009 at 9:38 am Link to this comment

Cute, Ardee.  the media emphasizes the Gop-Dem aspect of the struggle rather than both parties complicity in intitutionalizing torture, and youinterpret my comment to mean that we shouldn’t hold the Dems, and Pelosi, responsible. 

I vehemently disagree.  Pelosi, if not quite as disgusting as Gingrich, (who owuld be?) should be held responosble for helping to institutionalize torture in the US power system, with Rockeveller, Feinstein and the rest.

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By golady, May 16, 2009 at 8:45 am Link to this comment
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Patrick Henry,
Why is the media not going after the BIG liars?  They torutured, and lied about it, but they are blaming Nancy Pelosi for not telling? If it comes down to Nancy or Newt or the CIA I believe Nancy! Besides, isn’t there a rule about not revealing to the public what is taked about during the intellegence committee meetings? Didn’t Richard Shelby get in trouble for a trick like that?
  I receive and have received for months from my “Conservative friends” e-mails with the most outlandish disparaging remarks about Nancy Pelosi.  They simple MUST have someone to direct blame toward.  They must shift attention from issues that matter or issures that show them in a negative light.
That’s is what is happening here, plain and simple.

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By dcole, May 16, 2009 at 8:05 am Link to this comment
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News for Newt and other GOP wingnuts:  I DON"T CARE!  I don’t care who knew what or when they knew it, Nancy or otherwise!  I care about being lied to by the Bush administration and or their toadies in the CIA!  If the Dems know it at the time, how was it spun?  Wingnuts want to take down the liberals with them.  As a centrist I AM TIRED OF PARTISAN POLITICS! Get over it!  Get your acts TOGETHER, as in WORK TOGETHER.  The American people are MOSTLY in the center.  Stop playing to the outside edges and pay attention to what WE want!!

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By PatrickHenry, May 16, 2009 at 6:48 am Link to this comment

By golady, May 15 at 10:16 pm #

“It looks as though they just don’t like women in positions of authority”.

We just don’t like liars and traitors (Harman) in positions of power.  That goes for the whole congress.

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By GB, May 16, 2009 at 6:35 am Link to this comment
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newt is from the people who brought you the impeachment of bill clinton for lying about his infidelity and spent $40 million tax dollars to do this. On the other hand when cheney/bush lied to the world so they could spend $2 trillion on a murderous and torturous rampage across the middle east newt was behind it one hundred percent.
The problem here is pelosi took impeachment off the table before even giving the people of the US a chance to hear any arguments about what had been done in our name and with future generations’ tax dollars and continued to fund these atrocities. After Kucinich went on the floor of the house and presented 35 reasons to impeach the bush crime operation pelosi was denying there was any reason to check out these crimes. This is what she needs to answer to and too bad it’s 3 years too late. Since she won’t bring us justice against the republican tyranny, the tyranny will attempt to bring her down for the sake of a power vacumm.

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By ralph, May 16, 2009 at 6:28 am Link to this comment
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Pelosi needs to be tried for WAR CRIMES!!!  The UN Needs to investigete this. Either the women is senile or she is lying

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By Bill N., May 16, 2009 at 6:15 am Link to this comment
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It’s high time for Newt to just go away. This is one of the pinheads involved in the cockamamie Contract On America idiocy.

He’s also the dirtbag who served his wife with divorce papers just as she came out of surgery for cancer. This is the last person anyone should be listening to…except maybe Cheney.

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By anne, May 16, 2009 at 5:52 am Link to this comment
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Ardee is so right. We should be talking about torture, not whether Pelosi is lying or not. Typical political arguments to change to subject and it’s working! Stop being so gullible people! Politicians can really ‘play’ this country and we will continue to be patsys to their little games until we wake up, learn their tricks, and refuse to play their games.  I wonder though if Gingrich is going too far. If they call his bluff and actually start to investigate, then what or who will turn up and end up in the fire? The dems or the GOP? A dangerous game.

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By Robert, May 16, 2009 at 5:50 am Link to this comment
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IN DEFENSE of the SPEAKER of THE HOUSE
by William E. Jackson Jr. (May 16 - Huffington Post)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-e-jackson-jr/in-defense-of-the-speaker_b_204204.html

Excerpts

- Despite CIA Director Leon Panetta’s morale-booster claim that agents do not mislead Congress
—he was not at Langley during the last administration and is in no position to know when the CIA has prevaricated with Congress
—they have lied to and misled members of Congress on numerous occasions in the last 30 years! Sens. Goldwater and Rockefeller,
among others, have so charged. Get real!

- Are Pelosi’s critics suggesting that half-informed Democratic leaders (not in the Executive Branch)
should have stopped the Republican leaders of the Executive Branch (the White House of Bush/Cheney)
from ordering the torturing of terrorist suspects, a practice that began even before the Justice Department
had signed off on its legality?! Moreover, is the CIA suggesting that Congress should have intervened after being briefed,
the company in effect pleading: “

William E. Jackson Jr article is a must read everyone!  The excerpts here are your invite for the
complete article.

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By ardee, May 16, 2009 at 5:12 am Link to this comment

I am grateful to those like:
Folktruther, May 15 at 5:59 pm #

This piece is the standard ploy of the media to confine politics to who is more despicable, the Dems or Gops.  In the meantime the policy issue of torture is lost or mislaid in the fake conflict.
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If we seek to change what we perceive as wrong we first must engage our minds and not just think with our hearts or even lower! How easily we are suckered by vicious and even silly right wing obfuscations of the facts and the truth.

Am I satisfied with the leadership of Pelosi in the House? of course not! Am I happy that she took impeachment off the table? Absolutely not! Do I believe we need real change in governance in this country? You better believe it!

What I do believe is that this supposed story is a creation of an already proven despicable ( thanks Folktruther) right wing conspiracy to discredit the opposition in order to prevent the prosecutions of those responsible for torture, for lying us into a war in fact. What I believe are the stories coming from former chairs of the intel committees that illustrate the lie of in depth reportage by the CIA.

Heck, Bob Graham, former Senator from Fla., noted that his records even conflicted with the CIA’s version of events in stating that he met with them four times when his calendar showed he met only once. They retracted the statement thereafter….Further he and Diane Feinstein, another former chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, along with Jay Rockefeller all affirm that the briefings were cursory at best and offered no details at all.

So, our dedicated and well meaning progressives here and elsewhere jump all over this crap , and from folks as honest as Gingrich, Cheney and the CIA spokespersons too imagine, in condemning Pelosi. Certainly there is enough to condemn her for without allowing ourselves to be led by the nose and away from the need for investigations, prosecutions, convictions and jail time for those responsible.

If we fail to engage our brains we will never make any progress at all.

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By PJ, May 16, 2009 at 4:40 am Link to this comment
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Gingrich….He should be in jail and tried for treason against the people for what he helped unleashed upon the nation. We are living the results of that right now. The man is so despicable and repulsive. Just another angry, old, fat, white man, the true picture of republicans now a days. I wonder what other marching orders Rush has given him…These people are dangerous to the nation as a whole. Rush is the most dangerous because of his radio zombies that he commands with hate. Pelosi is going to be…Pelosi. This is nothing more than a distraction to get off all of the anti-republican backlash that is happening right now. Expect worse displays of human nature from the republicans. The truth: REPUBLICAN = REPULSIVE.

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By Mhadley, May 16, 2009 at 4:05 am Link to this comment
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Isnt Newt the one who has been busted for ethics violations and fined 300k? Most sane people dont listen to what comes out of his mouth. These guys always come with a christian, god fearing wrapper, but on the inside they are lying, unethical, cheats.

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By RobertinWestbury, May 16, 2009 at 3:54 am Link to this comment

This outburst by Gingrich is just plain old nasty politics.  By leading the charge he is trying to regain political stature on the right. 

He is the worst kind of opportunist..  I detest him. 

And I believe what she is saying is probably accurate.  To the extent that the Bush administration lied to everyone in this country, and felt they were above the law, why would anyone assume they were forthright to members of Congress? 

This is a witch hunt primarily because the Republicans see advantages for themselves in conducting it.

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By arty kraft, May 16, 2009 at 2:53 am Link to this comment
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There’s a bucket load of reasons to be sick of the Neocon legacy and the right wing. Many on the left, however, including Pelosi, sat on their when leadership was required over the past few years and now there’s hell to pay. Kucinich has been one of the few who’s been consistently vocal, astute, active, and courageous regarding issues like war crimes, suspension of Habeas Corpus, civil liberties, and torture. But did Pelosi ever truly support his actions? Not really.

Beyond an elevator full of other activists on the hill, the bought-and-paid-for politicians of both parties have been mum regarding many significant issues. And repeatedly Pelosi’s been at the head of that line. Not once she did deliver a speech explaining that Americans had let their amygdalas get the best of them concerning terror and torture.


Yes, Newt, William Kristol, Fox, et al., there really is a “war” against people who hate us. But since they can’t recruit the kind of numbers necessary to mount an official military campaign, they resort to terror. Does that justify American actions over the past 7 years? Not hardly, and that’s what Pelosi and others should have been saying loud and clear for years.

Pelosi’s predicament is a disturbing turn of events not just because she’s a leader of the Democrats, but because she’s practicing what has become a standard operating procedure in the U.S.—Cover Your Ass at all costs. Not only that, had she stayed quiet as she has for these many years, she wouldn’t be in this mess. But, apparently intoxicated by the current dominance of the Democrats, she decided to comment for the sake of directing the blame elsewhere without realizing how many people, including herself, are at least guilty by omission.

Note to the politically inactive: You’ve been fiddling while Rome has been burning and thus you too are responsible though you didn’t actually start the fire. So when the sleuths come out of the woodwork with their large magnifying glasses, just keep you mouths shut.

The unfortunate turn in American politics, accentuated by Reagan’s Teflon Presidency and Bill Clinton’s obstinacy, is that when you’re caught with your pants down, say in a mid-level company, you’re fired or quit, but not if you’re a powerful politician. Just ask Blago - the former governor of IL. Somehow, American power seems to fuel the imagination in ways not seen around the world. In Japan, one might consider falling on his sword. In Britain, a quick exit. In China, the firing squad. In America, gather your legal team around and see what sticks to the wall.

Those poor lawyers, who expected to spend a weekend on the boat, will now be sitting around, ordering take-out, while they conjure up some scenario that will successfully explain Ms. Pelosi’s impossible situation. Here’s a recommendation: forget making excuses or blaming someone else. Americans are fed up with that kind of tale spinning. Why not call a spade a spade? Why not just admit Pelosi, like many other powerful politicians, felt, inescapably, immune because of the catagious power circulating through the halls of power like an irresistable force field that controls everybody’s soul.

Of course, you can’t play the victim in the same way as PTSD, but there are grounds, as it were, for a sort of temporary insanity, or should it be called by a more clinial name, Balgoitis. That’s it. Pelosi had Balgoitis, not because she’s bloated with her own self-importance, but because she was made to feel she could act with impugnity as a result of her party’s overwhelming omnipotence - in the same vein as mass hypnosis. Now she’s come to her senses and will no longer commit the same transgression again. You know, it just might work. After all, there’s still a group of fanatics hoping the WMDs will turn up in Iraq. In the land of grand delusions, anything’s possible.

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By Cameron, May 16, 2009 at 12:22 am Link to this comment
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I thought Gingrich had matured past this bombastic political grandstanding. But he does have a point; we should follow this trail, all the way, and not just stopping with Pelosi. Because when this first came up in interview, the look in her eyes wasn’t just evasive, wasn’t just nervous, she had a look of real fear in her eyes. It didn’t sound like she was ‘fully briefed’ and approved, it sounded more like she was intimidated by CIA telling her, “This is what we’re doing, and what we’re going to continue to do.”

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By Outraged, May 15, 2009 at 10:43 pm Link to this comment

It needs to be remembered that many were working with or had contact with the worst of the worst.  Gingrich is NOT someone we can trust, we couldn’t then and we can’t now.  We need to tread carefully:

“In an interview with the Huffington Post, the former Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman said that approximately a month ago, the CIA provided him with false information about how many times and when he was briefed on enhanced interrogations.

“When this issue started to resurface I called the appropriate people in the agency and said I would like to know the dates from your records that briefings were held,” Graham recalled. “And they contacted me and gave me four dates—two in April ‘02 and two in September ‘02. Now, one of the things I do, and for which I have taken some flack, is keep a spiral notebook of what I do throughout the day. And so I went through my records and through a combination of my daily schedule, which I keep, and my notebooks, I confirmed and the CIA agreed that my notes where accurate; that three of those four dates there had been no briefing.”

AND:
“he did point out that, at the time, the “the whole credibility of the intelligence committee, particularly the CIA, was pretty much in question”—giving credence to Pelosi’s claims that she was given faulty information.

“The irony,” said Graham, “is that the whole series of events in late September of ‘02 were concurrent with the CIA’s release of the first classified version of the National Intelligence Estimate, which was one of the key factors that led me to vote against the war in Iraq because I thought that their case was so weak. And they were making to the public these very bold statements about how we were in extreme danger if we didn’t move quickly to eradicate Saddam Hussein. The whole, ‘a smoking gun may appear in the form of a mushroom crowd’ kind of argument.”

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/140041/graham_agrees_with_pelosi:_cia_gave_me_false_information_about_interrogation_briefings/#more

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By rockinrobin, May 15, 2009 at 10:43 pm Link to this comment
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http://www.torturingdemocracy.org; every American should see & know the truth re what is going on as every other nation does! Of course this country is full of criminals & crooks in EVERY political arena cuz THE WAY IT IS RUN IS EXPLOTATION: which is the targeting and harming for PERSOANAL PROFIT AND GAIN: as the “pres” stated way back when; and the JUDICIAL system in this “criminalocracy” they CLAIM wrongfully is “democracy”: which indicates the WILL of the PEOPLE: goes along with this AGENDA: dem/rep/left/right/conservative/progressive: is DISTRACTION called DIVIDE and CONQUOR. The AGENDA is the SAME folks: theatricals & charades; to FOOL the public: it is ALL BASED on “PUBLIC PERCEPTION”; and the MEDIA plays along with them cuz apparently “you aren’t going to make them pay Corporation taxs on top of what they have to pay already?; there’s a WHOLE lot of folk NOT paying taxes! working for the media; & Paterson, on Bill Moyer Journal: the RICH aren’t going to be taxed, cuz what would happen if we DID tax them & it didn’t work?
ALL governments lie folks: it is what Governments do: http://www.publicintegrity.org lists ALL the areas the Gov is NOT doing it’s job; over 250: like Timothy G; Treasurer: who claimed he never regulated a bank; ???? it was HIS JOB!!!! The bank BTW, is the MOST CORRUPT in the USA & undoubtedly GLOBALLY.

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By Molly, May 15, 2009 at 10:38 pm Link to this comment
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The Party of “NO” is so good at mucking things up aren’t they.  Neener Neener….

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By P. T., May 15, 2009 at 10:14 pm Link to this comment

The CIA will always be protected by the US ruling class, even if it means turning on one of their own.  Nancy Pelosi is finding that out.  The agency is seen as critical to the ruling class’s imperialist interests.

We saw that during the Iran-Contra scandal when it was denied that the CIA was working with drug smugglers.  Later, the CIA’s inspector general did finally admit to the drug charge.

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By Garo, May 15, 2009 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment
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Before Newt starts passing judgment on Nancy,he should look long and hard,at himself,in the mirror.
He was forced to leave the Speakership of the House, in the 1990s,in disgrace,after former Senator Bob
Dole felt sorry for him and lent him roughly $3oo,ooo to get his ass out of debt.

I wonder,why in the world,anyone should care to listen to Newt,the degraced and corrupt politician?

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By golady, May 15, 2009 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment

Why is everyone jumping on Nancy Pelosi.  Even the Democrats are following the Republicans lead of villifying someone, anyone other than those who should be villified.  For heaven sakes Mr. Sheer, Can you just imagine what kind of treatment Nancy Pelosi would have received back in 2002 or 2003 if she had raised one little murmur of resistence about any kind of technique used to fight terror? Look at what you people are calling for now. (I personally think she is innocent until proven quilty!) She is the scapegoat and Joe Scarboro Chris Matthews and the rest are jumping on board with both feet and all hands on deck.  What a bunch of knuckle heads. It looks as though they just don’t like women in positions of authority.

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By koln, May 15, 2009 at 6:40 pm Link to this comment
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Newt Gingrich, Peter King, Cheney, Rove, Bush and almost all other Republicans are domestic enemies of the constitution.

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By Gawd, May 15, 2009 at 6:36 pm Link to this comment
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Gotta’ love these Republican Party revisionists like Newty, Kit Bond, Boehner, Hannity, etc. who are shocked…shocked…that a member of Congress would accuse the CIA of not being 100% truthful to a Congressional Intelligence Committee.

Nancy Pelosi must be an unpatriotic “librul” traitor to even SUGGEST such a thing!
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Barry Goldwater, Conservative (Republican) and Individualist, Dies at 89
May 29, 1998
http://www.nytimes.com/books/01/04/01/specials/goldwater-obit.html
Goldwater was skeptical of military weapons spending, and he wrote a resolution condemning the C.I.A. for keeping the mining of Nicaraguan harbors secret from the Senate Intelligence Committee.
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By Subhash Garg, May 15, 2009 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment
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It’s plain that Newt needs an issue to fight off Rush Limbaugh for leadership of the GOP. Pelosi is just in the way, like his cancer-ridden wife was. If he was actually thinking he would note that Pelosi has challenged the CIA to provide a transcript of the subject meeting. Until there is a transcript, Newt cannot know the facts.

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By jm Val, May 15, 2009 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment
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Nancy should not lie.
Gingrich didn’t lie to his XXXXX wife

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By ocjim, May 15, 2009 at 4:24 pm Link to this comment

Where do these Newts come from, the bowels of hell? Why is it that the American leader’s mind cannot fathom the good of all vs their own interests. What mutant gene or what narcissistic cultural value is so strong that no visionary light can escape from their black-hole of self-aggrandizement.

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By PatrickHenry, May 15, 2009 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

Cut from the same bolt of cloth, just from different ends.

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By Folktruther, May 15, 2009 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

This piece is the standard ploy of the media to confine politics to who is more dispicable, the Dems or Gops.  In the meantime the policy issue of torture is lost or mislaid in the fake conflict.

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By jonr, May 15, 2009 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment
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“...I think this is a big deal. I don’t think the speaker of the House can lie to the country on national security matters,” the Republican leader said in an interview with ABC Radio.
    So, Mr. Gingrich, are you saying that lying to the country on national security matters IS a big deal? 

    If, as Dick Cheney has often said, we never torture(d), then how/why would Ms. Pelosi possibly have been informed of something that was never done?   

    Is Mr. Gingrich calling Mr. Cheney a liar?  If so, is it “a big deal?”

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By G.Anderson, May 15, 2009 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

Let’s see we need to investigate Pelsoi, because she’s the one who won’t let us investigate Bush and Cheney?

I have a better Idea, lets investigate all of them, close down congress and the senate for a year, so they can’t do anymore bailouts or spend any more money, and hire a few thousand prosecutors to investigate every member of the Senate and Congress.

We’ll call it the Committe for Public Safety.

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By samosamo, May 15, 2009 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

I can’t help but think I wouldn’t be sorry if old newt pulled this off as I sure don’t want pelosi where she is any more but I don’t want newt to have credit for doing so.

Damned if we do, damned if we don’t; but the lesser may be newt knocking her off if a less anal retentive person, open to restoring the responsiblities of the house of representatives, were made speaker.

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By skulz fontaine, May 15, 2009 at 11:54 am Link to this comment

Pelosi is caught in the torture mess clear up to her Botox. The old ‘eye of Newt’ is hardly anyone to be casting stones at Pelosi BUT, if the lie fits…
“Out damn torturous spot!”

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By Big B, May 15, 2009 at 11:54 am Link to this comment

The Newt should certainly know what it takes to get your ass thrown from house chambers. Newt should recognize the reflection, all you need to do is add a little eye liner, a little hair dye, and some lipstick, and this pig comes into focus.

We are a nation made up in large part of liars, cheats, and thieves. Newt and Nan are the quintessential american politians.

Sad, ain’t it?

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