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Posted on May 7, 2009
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The official paper trail about torture has apparently caught up with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who has claimed that she wasn’t aware of the use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” on suspected al-Qaida operatives—but it now seems that she may well have been among the first to know.

The Washington Post:

In a 10-page memo outlining an almost seven-year history of classified briefings, intelligence officials said that Pelosi and then-Rep. Porter Goss (R-Fla.) were the first two members of Congress ever briefed on the interrogation tactics. Then the ranking member and chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, respectively, Pelosi and Goss were briefed Sept. 4, 2002, one week before the first anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

The memo, issued by the Director of National Intelligence and the Central Intelligence Agency to Capitol Hill, notes the Pelosi-Goss briefing covered “EITs including the use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah.” EIT is an acronym for enhanced interrogation technique. Zubaydah was one of the earliest valuable al-Qaeda members captured and the first to have the controversial tactic known as water boarding used against him.

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By samosamo, May 11, 2009 at 2:52 pm Link to this comment

““Stick a fork in her, that turkey is done. Nancy and Co. has got to go, along with those like her, whether Dems or Repugs.”“
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No, not that, this would be better. Remember the movie ‘A Man Called Horse’? String the bitch up to the rafters like they did to Horse.

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By christian96, May 10, 2009 at 11:03 pm Link to this comment

You can say all you want about Nancy but she sure
has a pretty kissable face.  WOW!  What eye candy!

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By foggyjones, May 10, 2009 at 9:24 am Link to this comment
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SUNDAY 1119 AM/CST   DFW/USA

REF: Arnee and friends

Stick a fork in her, that turkey is done. Nancy and Co. has got to go, along with those like her, whether Dems or Repugs. Partisan politics sux.

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By ardee, May 10, 2009 at 6:45 am Link to this comment

Folktruther, May 9 at 10:07 pm #

But, God knows, SF isn’t all bad.  The largest peace demos I ever attended occurred there just before the Iraqi war.  But the mod residents there want to be on the side of power.

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I trust I didnt leave the impression that SF was bad, only more mainstream than its reputation brands it to be. I lived in that city from 1967-78 and loved pretty much all of it. Those were indeed turbulent times , especially the protests against the VietNam war.  I moved down to a working class suburb, Pacifica, in 79 and stayed to raise my children until they were grown and gone , leaving in 2006.

Perhaps we even marched together in the demonstrations against the invasion of Iraq, I was with a contingent of old folks, grayed and radical still.

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By Folktruther, May 9, 2009 at 7:07 pm Link to this comment

Thanks very much Ardee, Psmith-  I didn’t know Sheehan was muscled, PSmith. That would explain a lot. I sent some money but I don’t know if they ever got it.

The sleaze, however, is the usual crap, maybe more snide coming from SF.  And we often stay with a friend in the Castro district and,you are right, Ardee, the houses are very expensive, even the funky ones.

But, God knows, SF isn’t all bad.  The largest peace demos I ever attended occurred there just before the Iraqi war.  But the mod residents there want to be on the side of power.

Your comments, Ardee, on the Rudd article were interesting.

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By Joe the Philosopher, May 9, 2009 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment
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Nancy Pelosi is a treacherous liar. She is owned by the Zionists as much as Jane Harman. She should be kicked out of the Democratic Party, if not the country.

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By Ed Harges, May 8, 2009 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment

When we look at why Democrats are so disappointingly right-wing on “national security” and “foreign policy” issues, we must understand at the outset that, within the Democratic party, support for these policies comes from a very narrow but very powerful group, and it’s not at all a majority of members or even a majority of the base.

This is very much in contrast to the GOP, where aggressive and belligerent policies are loudly supported by the base as well as the membership in general.

But in the Democratic party the base is strongly antiwar, and the membership in general favors greater respect for human rights, humane treatment of prisoners as a matter of principle, etc.

There is, however, one narrow but powerful constituency within the Democratic party that will not tolerate any “softness” on foreign policy or national security issues, especially in any matters concerning “getting tough” on Arab and Muslims. That constituency is the Israel lobby.

Nancy Pelosi, even in liberal San Francisco, was determined not to expose herself to the charge of being “soft on Arabs”. If she had, she’d probably never have been made Speaker of the House. The “progressive” pro-Israel warmongers over at the New Republic and the Brookings Institute would have branded her as “not credible” on foreign policy. And naturally, as a woman, she may have especially feared being called too “soft”.

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By Leefeller, May 8, 2009 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment

FT

Impeachment is off the table Pilosi did seem to have the the plutocratic buzzards circle the wagons during her campaign. She represents her people very well and why shouldn’t she, one could believe they pay well. 

For some her seniority (not her age)  may have been seen as an important selling point?

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By ardee, May 8, 2009 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment

By Folktruther, May 8 at 11:49 am #

What I don’t understand is when Cindy Sheehan ran against Pelosi in the Castro district of San Francisco, she got only 20% of the votes.  This is a large gay area and supposedly a Progessive district.  The progessive candidate against the Dem major got nearly 50% of the votes.  Why the large disparity?

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The myth of SF progressivism prevails while the reality died with the rising cost of homes and living there. That race was also a seven person contest and Sheehan, with no organisation, no money , no political experience and the burden of being an outsider who moved there solely to run against Pelosi in a city well known for its parochialism, managed to finish second…Not bad actually.

Here is a rather typically SF reaction, from an ‘ever so hip’ rag:

Self-consciously insane Nancy Pelosi opponent, Cindy Sheehan, is running for US Congress. Or something. Yeah, we kind of forgot about that as well. Most likely, she won’t stand a chance of winning over the more powerful and controversial Pelosi. But, by God, her plunk, spunk, and phobia to hair conditioner will keep her in the public eye after tomorrow.

Alas.

But just how and where will Sheehan bring back her disenfranchised-fetishism shtick? After the jump, take our poll to find out.

Where will we see Cindy Sheehan next?
Making my bagel and cream cheese sandwich at Happy Donuts
The new face of Jenny Craig (Valerie Bertinelli’s pretty much lost all she can to still be healthy)
h. brown’s VP choice in his inevitable 2012 run for the presidency
Nice ‘n Easy spokesperson (that frost and tip doesn’t do itself)
“Fundraising” on the corner of Sixth and Market streets
Cougaring after a petrified Matt Gonzalez

Oh so San Francisco…..

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By Mary, May 8, 2009 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment
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I am a democrat and I say to one and all that Nancy Pelosi betrayed us on the IMPEACHMENT and now about, TORTURE! She wears that perpetual smile on her face, like Bush wears that smirk! To think at one time I had an admiration for her!!

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By michael, May 8, 2009 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment
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Daily Kos has an article saying that the report is unclear on wether they told Her they (where going to maybe use this) and where already doing it or if they told her at all.  Might want to wait for the full story.  No I dont care for pelosi much but lets get the facts.

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By rockinrobin, May 8, 2009 at 11:32 am Link to this comment
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http://www.torturingdemocracy.org is something every American should watch. It shows part of what was done with out being to graphic, and know that every other nation knows exactly & precisely what is going on. The only ignorants folks seem to be the “gullible” American public, which is why our “lawless leaders” laugh so much & disparage us. Don’t you know YET what is going on? Asked Alan Bates, legislature in Oregon?
Kulengowski, Oregon Gov, said if you SEE it, HEAR it, and READ it, why it must be true right?
The answer is NOT in the USA. Nor in Canada, who’s Pres & “politicians” and judges were paid trillions of dollars to “cooperate” with them. Do whatever you want, however you want, whenever you want, have all the money you want and NEVER be brought to justice. After all, WE have the culture for it. WE have gotten away with it for years! (this is the CLAIM of the Am Government)
Water boarding & joking re this was to COVER UP the fact that our nations lawless leaders (exploitation is targeting and harming for personal profit and gain folks) it is NOT the way a democracy is run at all nor is this nation a democracy, nor is it by the people, of the people, and it CERTAINLY is NOT FOR THE PEOPLE! The PEOPLE are the TARGETING and HARMING by Corps, businessmen, and every other person who can harm them, backed up by a Judicial system so corrupt they are far more guilty than anyone appearing before them.
They CHANGE laws LITERALLY folks: and do NOT believe that any laws including international laws apply to THEM. And the JUDGES go RIGHT ALONG WITH IT; calling to find out “how to rule”; as seen by Judge Sonya Sottomeyer in the Mahr vs Ashcroft case.
Bribery, flattery, and sex are the 3 choices they have; followed by strong arming techniques of extortion, and a history of overthrowing Gov’s and setting up dictators just like them.

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By Gawd, May 8, 2009 at 11:30 am Link to this comment
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The memos clearly show that Nancy Pelosi and Porter Goss were NOT told of an ongoing use of waterboarding or the other EITs in their one 2002 briefing.

The Dems that the memos indicate WERE told of an ongoing use of the EITs could not reveal what they were told at the briefings. But here is what they could do and what they did:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-interrogate8-2009may08,0,4925805.story
“Sen. Rockefeller was briefed but was not presented with the full picture, nor was he told critical information that would have cast significant doubt on the program’s legality and effectiveness,” said Jamie Smith, a Rockefeller spokeswoman. “With more information coming to light in 2004, Sen. Rockefeller became increasingly concerned about the program, and in early 2005 he launched a full-scale effort to investigate. The Senate Intelligence Committee’s review is ongoing, and he believes it is critically important that there be a full accounting of the Bush administration’s interrogation policies.”
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The only reason any of us know about Bush’s torture culture is because Congressional Dems who were briefed about it launched an investigation so the American people would be informed and could respond accordingly.

Now we have a better understanding of why Congressional Dems hated Bush so much. It turns out it wasn’t a matter of an unjustified “Bush Derangement Syndrome” after all.

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By Big B, May 8, 2009 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

Poor Queen Nancy, she never had a chance!

Our biggest leadership problem in the good ‘ol usa is begining to resemble the time prior to to French or Russian revolution. For nearly our entire history we have been forced on election day to choose between a list of the american power elite only. and has time has progressed, this goup of people have consolidated more and more wealth and power even as their own numbers dwindle as compared to the population on the whole. We now are a mirror image of France and Russia just before their demise. And our problems with our royal families are the same as those two doomed empires, For too long they have been inbreeding in a very small sample population and their recessive genes are begining to turn these Ivy league elite into blithering morons.

I give you Nancy Pelosi, poor spoiled little rich girl, who would try to hammer nails with her head if the hired help wasn’t constantly telling her “no mas!”

I give you W. the truths of his lunacy are self-evident.

I give you our captains of industry, the Masters of the Universe(thanks Mr Wolfe) a long line of in- bred idiots who have in many cases run grandpa’s company into the ground because they could not figure out that the same attributes that made you popular in the frat house, like drinking beer while standing on your head, or date rapes, do not make you a visionary leader of men.

It’s time to oil up the guillotine. It may be our only way out of this mess. As for poor Nancy, she may not be first in line, but she’ll be close enough to get hit with the spray from the first few.

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By J.B. Nicholson-Owens, May 8, 2009 at 10:30 am Link to this comment
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Folktruther: People are largely uneducated about their Congressional choices when they have any.  Advertising costs are usually the biggest slice of any Congressional campaign.  Fighting an incumbent is very difficult.  Fighting the entrenched corporate parties is also very difficult.  Fighting gerrymandered districts is another major difficulty.

During the run-up to the invasion of Iraq I worked on a Green party campaign in Illinois for Carl Estabrook who was running against the long-time Republican candidate Tim Johnson.  Johnson told debate audiences that he had secret evidence which justified the Iraqi invasion.  Our campaign, like millions of street protesters around the world, knew he was lying and we called him on it.  Not many people in the district voted for Estabrook but we did well closest to the campaign headquarters.  The Democrats had scrambled to find a candidate to run against Johnson because they didn’t want to leave the opposition to the Greens alone (thus letting the Greens get about 30% of the vote).  Johnson remains the district’s representative to this day.

The Democrats clear pro-war support (remember, it’s been the Democrats’ war since they won control of Congress in the last mid-term elections) should make any leftist at least honestly evaluate third party and independent candidates.  But so many on the left are motivated by fear they vote pro-war Democrat no matter what.

Taken together this means that Pelosi’s district has about 20% voters who will (1) vote at all and (2) step outside the Democrat/Republican mythical opposition to put someone worthwhile in office.  Progressives will need to organize for better candidates and actually support them to change Congress.  This will require word-of-mouth support and a willingness to do research to learn about their options.  Civic laziness and reliance on party politics will result in changing faces with no change to policies.

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By felicity, May 8, 2009 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

The next time a cop pulls me over for speeding I’m going to tell him that I didn’t know the speed limit on that particular stretch of the highway so he shouldn’t give me a ticket.  Do you think it’ll work?

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By Folktruther, May 8, 2009 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

What I don’t understand is when Cindy Sheehan ran against Pelosi in the Castro district of San Francisco, she got only 20% of the votes.  This is a large gay area and supposedly a Progessive district.  The progessive candidate against the Dem major got nearly 50% of the votes.  Why the large disparity?

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By untilOfficiallyDenied, May 8, 2009 at 8:47 am Link to this comment

Gore Vidal was right in that interview, link posted by Psmith- thanks..

that, American people are told lies, lies and lies, 30 times a day, eventually believing lie is the Truth.

Chris Hedges was correct that American People were SOLD “Brand Obama” (from his article “The Obama campaign was named Advertising Age’s marketer of the year for 2008 and edged out runners-up Apple and Zappos.com”)

If we look back at 2008 election results, one can tell that Republican were never interested in taking office. They gave McCain and Palin (??) as their front runner !! what a joke. They didn’t have better candidate than the two?  But sure, they made it look like “tight election”, and American people got their “First Black President”, and what does he do ?

Nothing, substantively !! keeps giving more public money to insolvent banksters, appoints same guys responsible for financial meltdown in charge to solve it, extends unending wars, reauthorize wiretapping. It almost now appears that he is fake “Anti-war” candidate.

As far torture goes, forget about any thing happening their, they are all in that, signals are all over. “Impeachment is off the table.”

In short, in this 2 party system, both - Republicans and Democrats- are taking turns to systematically transfer wealth from vast middle class to those in control, 1% of population and at the same time maintaining control over their lives.

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By Hulk2008, May 8, 2009 at 8:43 am Link to this comment

I am beginning to think that the number one requirement for Speaker is to be a total idealogue.  Regardless of what party takes control of the House, the Speaker chosen seems to be the most extremely aggressive lightning rod for the opposition. 
  Nancy Pelosi is merely the Dummy Du Jour - someone who says outrageous things to elicit a blood feud from the other side of the aisle.  Maybe the Repugs will eventually take back the House and install Michele Bachman as Speaker. 
  In my youth the Speaker was Sam Rayburn - and was apparently respected by all parties.  Let’s hope our government will reinvent itself and return to similar days. 
  We need national health coverage and cheap energy and financial solvency -  how many waterboardings does it take to restore sanity in government?

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By mud, May 8, 2009 at 8:43 am Link to this comment

Get off Nancie’s back already. If she did not know what was going on right in front of her, it’s not her fault.

Sometimes people get like that and when they do we need to treat them with respect by placing them in a jail/work camp for their remaining days. Or offer Nancy a free lobotomy. Her choice.

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By tropicgirl, May 8, 2009 at 8:30 am Link to this comment

Ok, here’s the Torture Gang of 5 and the larger Torture Gang of 11. Honestly, how many people in this blog voted for these people? You probably knew better back then but you did anyway. Even Feingold is being dishonest here.

You have to throw them out at the primary level and be willing to accept representatives with less seniority. Or run third party candidates. It has to be done and we have to be willing to do it.

Otherwise they will have no fear. And they will block you at the primary contest by forcing people not to run. Look at Ridge being pushed out. This is how they will try to set up Spector to actually win Democrats. This is where they control you. You have to be willing to vote for the new guy/girl and insist they get on the primary ticket. Or leave the vote BLANK.


Nancy Pelosi
Bob Graham
John Rockefeller
Jane Harman
Harry Reid
*Full Committee
John Murtha
Evan Bayh
Russ Feingold
Diane Feinstein
Carl Levin
Barbara Mikulski

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By herewegoagain, May 8, 2009 at 8:23 am Link to this comment
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I always figured the Bush Administration had dirt on the Dems; it would go a long way in explaining how they let the thugs roll right over them on so many issues. This would probably be one of the pieces of blackmail they were hanging over Pelosi’s head.

In short, corruption is rampant on both sides of the aisle. This country has really lost it’s moral compass.

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By Rick Sullivan, May 8, 2009 at 8:22 am Link to this comment
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Why is no one talking about the lowly soldiers who were crucified for Abu Ghraib? If the soldiers speak out against something illegal, they get prosecuted. If they follow orders, they get prosecuted. Where were these complicit politicians when these soldiers were being tried as “a few bad apples?” Where was their chain of command and why haven’t they been prosecuted in like fashion? If we’re not willing to do that, why haven’t those soldiers been pardoned? Now that the entire damn government is implicated, we have to look forward? This is not why you were sent to Washington, Mr. Obama—President of the United States (and Harvard Law Review).

Now, more than ever, we need a new mainstream party. Time to go Green Party.

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By melpol, May 8, 2009 at 7:56 am Link to this comment

It was taken for granted that the detainees were either tortured or punished. Any one with common sense knew that information was being squeezed out of captured terrorists. But Pelosi claimed she never was aware of the fact. It is against the law to use torture but even parents have been found guilty of beating their children. Mother Nature has created a sadistic impulse in most of us and harsh laws against torture will not end it.

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By LibertyWatch, May 8, 2009 at 6:46 am Link to this comment

This appears to reveal why she refused to pursue the Impeachment path? I do not think she is a very good leader and for that matter neither is Reid in the senate.

Mr Vidal is correct in his opinion that to much corruption exist in the hallways of Washington.

As a life long Democrat I am very disappointed with my party and its lack of courage and leadership to reinstate the rule of law. Also the lack of will to dismantle the war machine that is bleeding us from within. It is time to take care of the American public and tell the rest of the world that our priority is not them or their oil reserves.

Pelosi should resign and go home. A new leadership outside the DNC and representing the voice of the people is required to enact real change to help the people and not pad the bank accounts of the wealthy.

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By palomin, May 8, 2009 at 6:22 am Link to this comment
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An investigation by a special prosecutor should reveal what’s true or not.  If Pelosi was in on the crime of torture, and I suspect she was, then let the chickens come home to roost.

This might answer the question of why she insisted that the impeachment of Bush and Cheney was off the table.  Get rid of the DINO piece of garbage.

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By Purple Girl, May 8, 2009 at 5:51 am Link to this comment

Step Down Nan, you are ineffective anyway.
The current cast of Female Characters we have in public Service is embarassing- Pelosi, Bachmann, Palin,Fox, Hillary,....About the only one I can think of worth supporting is McCaskill (Loved ‘What Planet are they From?‘LOL). There are some within the margins, but lack reliablity- Wasserman Schultz and Stabenow. some who are beginning to rectify their mistakes, but still leave you questioning their true allegience- Fenstien and Boxer.as a 46 yr old woman I don’t have much confidence in the majority of these women, how could we expect our daughter to look up to them as Profiles in Courage?Most spent the Bush Years making finger sandwiches and serving drinks at the ‘good Ol boys’ club.We finally start getting a group of females in public office and they cowkow to the exact establishment we sent them to combat! I suspect a good number have well worn knee pads still in their office drawers.
I don’t Trust Diane to run a true investigation into the Bush years- she was supportive of everything they were doing!!! Nan appears to have been too busy filing her nails to try to grasp what she was being told.Why is that Woman NEVER At the House?? At least Tip could find a day or two to run the place. Is everyday a Spa Day for Nan, because she sure it’s using the time to recruit Republicans over on any legislation.
As a life long Libber Dem, I am so disgusted with Pelosi and the other ‘50’s DC housewives I could Scream!go home you are not only placating and appeasing the high crime agenda of the Good Ol Boys, you are undermining Womens struggle for Equality in the process.

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By Mtn. Bear, May 8, 2009 at 5:17 am Link to this comment
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Shoulda voted for Cindy!

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By TheRealFish, May 8, 2009 at 3:54 am Link to this comment

On the one hand, of course we should *never* doubt the veracity of the results of any report started by the previous administration that implicates complicity of any democrat in conspiracy to commit crimes against humanity.

On the other hand, if Pelosi—or any other democrat—was aware of that criminal conspiracy and did *nothing* to expose or oppose that conspiracy, then s/he becomes a de facto co-conspirator.

It sounds bad, it looks bad, it smells bad, all this while being conveniently suspicious. In short, if ever there was a situation crying out for an independent/special investigator and/or prosecutor.

Your move, AG Holder.

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By Outraged, May 8, 2009 at 2:40 am Link to this comment

A clip from the Rachel Maddow show with Johnathan Turley:
(watch the whole clip as they take up the issue of Nancy Pelosi again toward the end)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#30632169

Feb 2009- Pelosi: “They never told us these enhanced interrogation technics were being used.”

From the L.A Times:

“Congressional leaders were briefed repeatedly on the CIA’s use of severe interrogation methods on Al Qaeda suspects, according to new information released by the Obama administration Thursday that appears to contradict the assertions of House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi.

The records describe dozens of congressional briefings about CIA decisions that since have emerged as major sources of controversy—including the agency’s use of waterboarding and its destruction of videotapes of interrogation sessions.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-interrogate8-2009may08,0,4925805.story

Reuters:

“Holder said he had not yet read the draft report from a review by the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility conducted during the previous administration of lawyers who wrote the Bush-era interrogation legal opinions.

“I have not reviewed it. It is not in final form yet,” Holder said. “It deals, I suspect, not only with the attorneys but the people that they interacted with, so I think we’ll gain some insights by reviewing that report.”

He said the review could lead to probes of other officials.

A Senate Intelligence Committee report last month said top Bush officials, like then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and Vice President Dick Cheney, had approved the CIA’s interrogation program, including waterboarding, in 2002.”

AND,
”“Our desire is not to do anything that would be perceived as political, as partisan. We do want to look forward to the extent that we can do that,” Holder said.

But he added, “to the extent that we see violations of those laws, we’ll take the appropriate actions.”

All very good articles.

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By ardee, May 8, 2009 at 2:35 am Link to this comment

Sounds to me like more of the war between the parties. Nobody’s right when everybody’s wrong.Both major political parties are failing this nation, both are equally guilty. This article serves only to illustrate that point, though it seems an attempt to drive a wedge between the democratic leadership and the electorate.

As one poster on that website commented,” It’s the Democrats’ fault, because they didn’t stop us!!”

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By Gawd, May 8, 2009 at 12:37 am Link to this comment
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Nothing in that Washington Post report refutes what Nancy Pelosi said about her one briefing with fellow Congressman (R)Porter Goss in 2002.

In fact, the actual memos support her claim, as her spokesman said in the report.

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By samosamo, May 7, 2009 at 11:34 pm Link to this comment

What would be amazing is that she was not one of the first to know and it is too bad this will not effect her in the least bit, personally or ‘professionally’.

She clearly hangs in with those at the head of the pack that are the biggest threat to the U.S.A. and I wish she would get caught red handed giving orders to kill somebody, she needs incarceration.

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