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Posted on May 2, 2009
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Palestinians walk near a tunnel that was destroyed during an Israeli airstrike on the border between Egypt and Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip on Saturday.

Two Palestinians were killed Saturday during Israeli airstrikes on tunnels between Gaza and Egypt that Israel says are used to bring supplies and weapons into Gaza—the first such air raids in two months, according to Al Jazeera English.

Al-Jazeera English:

The bombing came shortly after three mortar rounds were launched into Israeli territory from the northern Gaza Strip, causing no casualties.

The Palestinian Resistance Committees, an armed group in Gaza, said that it had fired the mortars.

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By Shingo, May 6, 2009 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment

Robert,

I couldn’t agree more.  I wish there were more Michel Samberg’s around to smack down, but even then, there are only so many hours in the day. 

Now and then I come across a blogs were a Samberg fellow traveller appears, getting away with spreading the archetypcal BS with no one to refute them.  Having said that, they are so easily frightened off aren’t they?  You might remember that cretin Howard? Haven’t seem much of him lately have we? There’s that shill Jason who posts a hit and run entry now and then, but since I smacked him around, he’s shied away from actual debate.

I also think that whereas in the past, these propaghandists got away with accusing others of anti-Semitism, it no longer has the same effect.  The accusation has become synonimous with patriotism - the last refuge of a scourdrel.

You have to hand it to Sepharad.  At least Sepharad has stuck around to face the music and even shown some degree of moderation. The sae goes for ITW.

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By Folktruther, May 6, 2009 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment

Israel is stepping up the repression of Jewish dissident opposed to Zionist brutality.  Ezra Nawi, a Jesish Israeli, and ex-Israeli soldier, was recently arrested for trying to stop the police from blowing up Palestinian homes.  He was arrested by the police squad, tried and conviced for ‘assaulting a policeman’ in Israeli courts that resemble US courts, and is being sent to an Israeli prison.

21 Jewish anti-draft resisters were also recently arrested.  Israeli is now in the process of destroying more Palestinian homes to erect 2 hundred thousand settler homes to add to the half million settlers.  Since the US-Israel is now bent on ethnic cleansing without even a pretense of a two state solution, the brutality will get worse and the lying about among Zionists routine.  As Zionism gets more isolated historically, the only solution they can attempt is violence.  And the only justification is lies.

They will be told intelligently and personably in the US by Obama.

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By Robert, May 6, 2009 at 9:28 am Link to this comment

SIDEBAR

“A Letter to My Fellow Jews—By David Glick

What, I ask, has come of us? “There is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza,” say Israeli leaders Simon Peres and Tzipi Livni. Have we, who historically have been subjected to such horrific prejudice, persecution and even genocide, become so callous that we are now morally blind to the violence and oppression that Israel is inflicting on the people of Palestine, a large number of whom are innocent civilians?

We, who once were the victims of the Nazi genocide, which murdered six million Jews while the world was silent, have now become the perpetrators of violence. After the experience of the Holocaust, “never again” quite understandably meant that we Jews would never again allow ourselves to be so vulnerable that we would go to slaughter like lambs to the kill.

But “never again” must never be the sole possession of the Jewish people. That cry belongs to the world—to all who suffer under the boot of an oppressor who visits violence and death upon them.

It is the great tragedy of the Palestinian people that they are the victims of victims. Consequently the crimes and suffering they have endured have gone unacknowledged by all those who disingenuously use the Holocaust to justify whatever Israel does as self-defense. That manipulative use of the Holocaust desecrates the memory of all those who perished in the ghastly inferno of that Nazi hell.

The killing of innocent civilians is deplorable, whether by Hamas rockets or Israeli fighter planes and helicopter gunships. But let’s be honest. Enough of the lies and self-deceptions. Israel’s aggression against Gaza is not a legitimate act of self-defense. The rockets being fired upon Israel are an understandable, if regrettable, act of resistance born of the despair of an ongoing illegal and barbaric occupation that is at the heart of the conflict.

Israel argues that it evacuated Gaza two years ago only to have Hamas rockets rain down upon its civilian population. But let’s be honest. Israel imposed a ruthless siege on Gaza after Hamas, like it or not, won a fair and honest election monitored by international observers. In response Israel turned Gaza into a virtual open-air prison by totally sealing off its borders and cutting off supplies of food, water, medicine and electricity. Israel’s recent bombing and invasion have magnified that crisis into what the U.N. has called a humanitarian disaster with a dreadful loss of life and limb among Palestinians. In this latest assault, Israel lost 13 soldiers, while killing more than 1,300 Palestinians and seriously wounding 5,300, among which were more than 400 children.

Israel’s collective punishment of the people of Gaza, its excessive, disproportionate use of force, and its indiscriminate bombing of civilians are war crimes under the Geneva Convention.

We Jews who criticize Israel do so out of the values of our Jewish moral heritage. It is high time that we Jews reach back and embrace our proud tradition of social justice and honestly admit to ourselves that the Zionist enterprise, in its urgency to find a sanctuary, made the Palestinians pay the price for Europe’s anti-Semitism and the horrible crimes committed against us prior to and during the Holocaust.

Palestinians could not understand why they had to give up their homeland to remedy something for which they were not responsible. And so one tragedy was heaped upon another. Let us be big enough to acknowledge this reality and ask the Palestinians for their understanding and forgiveness, and in return genuinely commit to seek as just a remedy as possible.”


http://www.wrmea.com/archives/April_2009/0904042.html

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By Robert, May 6, 2009 at 8:53 am Link to this comment

By Shingo, May 6 at 1:53 am #

Robert,

You’re throwing more maps at mech’elsamberg?  Now that is just plain cruel.

What’s he gonna do now?

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Shingo,

I think that “Mechel Samberg” is puzzled & unsettled by the response that he has received from TD’s bloggers. I am sure that he did NOT expect most of it and certainly was NOT used to it.

Most likely that he has been posting on other forum/sites with almost NO replies or refutes to his Zionist propaganda.

Shingo…TD needs people like Michel Samberg to post here; it helps expose how much these “US” zionist propagandists have been brainwashed & infected with their racist ideology of Zionism.

Most likely that sepharad has e-mailed Samberg by now and gave him some advice regarding the sinking hole that he gotten himself in.

Mechel Samberg…if you haven’t heard of Ilan Pappe, the Israeli historian, then google his name or one of his books “The Ethnic Cleansing Of Palestine”, I would like to suggest to you to perform a google search.

Ilan Pappe and the Nakba Deniers

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine

By JOHN WHITBECK

“For anyone who possesses a strong stomach and an equally strong desire to know the truth, I strongly recommend Israeli historian Ilan Pappe’s new book “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine”, which makes painstakingly and painfully clear the extent to which the expulsion of the great majority of Palestinians from their homes and homeland between 1947 and 1949 (an expulsion absolutely essential to create a “Jewish state” in a country where, in 1947, the population was still 70% Muslim and Christian and these non-Jews still owned 94% of the land) was meticulously planned, programmed and documented, ruthlessly carried out and, thereafter, efficiently covered up, sanitized, erased from minds and memories and, to the extent necessary, denied. Pappe also makes clear that the cleansing spirit and cleansing practices have continued ever since, with public discussion in Israel of the “demographic threat” posed by those Palestinians still remaining in Palestinian never more openly conducted and with a recent poll showing 68% of Israeli Jews in favor of expelling all Palestinian citizens of Israel.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/whitbeck01272007.html

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By Shingo, May 5, 2009 at 11:07 pm Link to this comment

Here’s one for mech’elsamberg

“Jaffa, Palestine: Palestinians gather at the Grand Serai (local government offices) in July 1908, to celebrate the al-Hurriyah Revolution (i.e. the Young Turks Revolution) against Sultan Abdul Hamid and in favor of the restoration of the constitution and the holding of Parliamentary elections. (via Walid Khalidi, Before Their Diaspora).”
http://www.uruknet.de/?colonna=m&p=51428&l=x&size=1&hd=0

See that mech’elsamberg?  The Palestinians not only held elections in 1908, but they even had a constitution. 

Israel hasn’t even got a constitution after 60 years.

What constituted the basis of its economy?

Here is a picture from a Bazaar in Jaffa, Palestine in 1896.

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e2010536d26491970b-pi

Here is a picture of orange groves in 1914

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e2010536d23428970b-pi
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e2010536d245bd970b-pi

Fruit markets in Jaffa
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e2010536d24897970b-pi
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e2010536d24f65970b-pi
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e2010536dbd51b970c-pi

Jaffa, Palestine: Elementary school pupils at the National Christian Orthodox School (1938).
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e2010536dd52ae970c-pi

Jaffa, Palestine: Wolf Cubs and Boy Scouts with camping gear, at the Government Secondary Boys’ School, 1924.
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e2010536d3c00b970b-pi

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By Shingo, May 5, 2009 at 10:56 pm Link to this comment

One more thing Robert,

As for the Zionist propaganda that that Palestine was an empty and destitute place until Zionists decided to “redeem” it from the desert; and that the indigenous Palestinian people were backward, primitive, and mostly nomadic who did not deserve any political rights, you only need see the pictures at this link to know what a croc that is.

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2009/01/a-l and-without-a-people.html

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By Shingo, May 5, 2009 at 10:53 pm Link to this comment

Robert,

You’re throwing more maps at mech’elsamberg?  Now that is just plain cruel.

What’s he gonna do now?

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By Robert, May 5, 2009 at 10:25 pm Link to this comment

By mech’elsamberg, May 4 at 1:19 pm #

“Sharing a relevant list of questions relating to Palestinian pride and Palestinian statehood.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mechel Samberg…You should take pride with the questions that you posted regarding Palestine/Palestinians.

I chose a few of the questions to shed a little light in that dark tunnel of Zionist propaganda that you have been living in for decades.

Have you heard of Ilan Pappe?

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4.  What were its major cities?

“Extremely RARE map of Palestine before al-Nakba. It’s 4 MB in size, however, it’s worth the time to download. Note that the upper left corner of the map was signed by the Moshe Dayan, it’s not like we’re proud of that, however, it’s worth noting.”


http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story582.html


5.  What constituted the basis of its economy?

Category of land

Palestinians & others   Jews   Total

Dunums (1000 sq. meters)

Urban  
Citrus  
Bananas  
Rural built-on area  
Plantation  
Cereal land (taxable)   
Cereal land (not taxable) 

Roads, railways, rivers, and lakes  

Total Area including roads, railways, etc.
 

Scroll below for the source and tabular break down of land ownership…etc…:


http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story571.html


8.  Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?


Do Palestinians Exists, or Don’t They? That’s The Question?


“BASED On Declassified Israeli Documents & Personal Diaries

From the inception of Zionism in the late 19th century and until the present day, the Zionist leaders have insisted that the Palestinians do not exist as either a people or a nation. This blind attitude was adopted to facilitate the usurpation and suppression of Palestinian political, economic, and human rights. As it will be demonstrated from the quotes below, it was often argued by most Zionists that Palestine was an empty and destitute place until Zionists decided to “redeem” it from the desert; and they also argued that the indigenous Palestinian people were backward, primitive, and mostly nomadic who did not deserve any political rights.”

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Famous-Zionist-Quotes/Story707.html

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By Louise, May 5, 2009 at 10:04 pm Link to this comment

You are correct, and I apologize, it was such a great line. smile

However for those who base their whole existance on teachings from the Holy Books, as interpretated by their contemporaries, the enmity between the descendents of Ishmael and Isaac is sighted as the origin of history’s enmity between the Muslims, Christians and Jews. Or perhaps better stated, the enmity between their mothers, which apparently was a real problem for Abraham. Mothers tell stories to their young and over time the stories become legend and eventually are retold as fact.

History is full of such examples, in every culture, on every continent and in every religion, going back to the earliest recorded history. Few if any women can truly share their husbands. And fewer still will accept losing without a fight, what they percieve as their sons rightful heritage.

Now I’ll probably have women coming down on me! My only defense is I am one and I know I would fight for what I thought was right, if I thought my son had been wronged.

All the same, given the established age of those three religions, laid against the alleged age of Abraham and his sons, I suspect there really isn’t anyone who knows exactly what happened in all those centuries between.

Shingo,

Thanks for the comparison. I’m flattered.

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By Shingo, May 5, 2009 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment

The Zionist fanatics are on a roll it seems:

Palestinian injured in Israeli shelling in southern Gaza Strip

http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=37551

And of course, when it comes to using Palestinian children for target practice, the IDF (aka. the world most moral army) just can’t seem to help themselves.

Local sources said Israeli troops seized 12-year-old Ayman Shamiyya after shooting him while he was playing. There was no word about how serious the boy’s injuries were.

Israeli troops apprehend Gaza boy after shooting him
http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=37555

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By Shingo, May 5, 2009 at 6:51 pm Link to this comment

Oh what do we have here?

Israeli troops set fire to wheat and barley fields in Gaza. 

http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=37562
         
Hey mech’elsamberg, did you have time to pack and picnic and watch the spectacle?

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By Shingo, May 5, 2009 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment

mech’elsamberg,

>> If your idea of intelligent discussion is “blame the Zionists” for every reply, then you have a bigger problem than you think

Translation:  I have no argument to explain the incredible shrinking map of Palestine, so I’ll just keep ignoring the question and stay on the attack.

Tell me mech’elsamberg, how does it feel to be exposed as an apologist for a racist, fascist, genocidal regime?

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By mech'elsamberg, May 5, 2009 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

Spare the BS. If your idea of intelligent discussion is “blame the Zionists” for every reply, then you have a bigger problem than you think;.

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By Shingo, May 5, 2009 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

mech’elsamberg,

Yes I call those answers becasue that is what they were.  Pitty you seem unable (ie. to cowardly) to even answer ONE questino that is posed to you and yet you call me a coward?

We get is mech’elsamberg.  When is comes to Zionism reality is inverted.  Up is down, clocks move backwards, courage is cowardise and the rapist and the murdered is considered the victim.

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By mech'elsamberg, May 5, 2009 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

Please, you call those “answers”?  You are the cowards with the incessant whining about Zionists.

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By Fadel Abdallah, May 5, 2009 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

By Louise, May 5 at 1:28 pm #

mech’elsamberg,

“I hope you avoid the temptation to trace the modern day “Palestinians” to the Biblical Philistines: substituting etymology for history won’t work here.”

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OK, that one cracked me up! smile!
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I was impressed by your factual and informed response to the latest fanatic Zionist troll on these threads.

However, you lost me regarding what you said in your last paragraph, “now, just as back in the days of Abraham when his sons Ishmael and Isaac fought for control of that promised land, their descendants fight on.” 

The history I know, from primary sources, (other than the distorted Jewish sources) is that Ishmael, though born in Palestine, was moved along with his mother as an infant to the vicinity of what is now Mecca, near the Ka’bah, and lived there preaching monotheism as a Prophet for the rest of his life. He never moved back to Palestine and he never fought against Isaac for control of that promised land.  His father Abraham used to make frequent visit to him and his mother, and it was during one of these visits that they both re-built the ruined Ka’bah in Mecca as a symbol of monotheism. This is why Muslims, when they go to perform pilgrimage as one of the pillars of their faith, actually commemorate the struggle of Ishmael mother Hager, to raise him as a single parent and they further commemorate the triumph of Monotheism in Arabia at the hands of the father/son’s rebuilding of the Ka’bah.

From you comment above, I now realize how the Biblical narratives prevalent in the Christian West express only half-truths at best and distorted history at worse! And I don’t blame you for that since you are neither a historian nor an eye witness to remote events rooted in antiquity. I guess you say what you’re taught from one selective perspective.

Based on the full narratives of history, the myth that the current strife between Arab-Muslims and Jews has been going on since the time of the sons of Abraham is a big propaganda line. The current dispute in the Holy Land originated with the creation of Zionism in the late 19th century and the circumstances of the evils of WWI and WWII.

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By Shingo, May 5, 2009 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment

Thank you Lousie for taking the time to educate our ignorant Zionist friend.

Everythig you said is suported by a recent (best seller of all things) historical book that debunks the failrytale of the Jewish Diaspora.

When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?, a book by Tel Aviv University scholar Shlomo Zand (or Sand) that sent shockwaves across Israeli society when it was published last year.

Zand’s central argument is that the Romans didn’t expel whole nations from their territories. Zand estimates that perhaps 10,000 ancient Judeans were vanquished during the Roman wars, and the remaining inhabitants of ancient Judea remained, converting to Islam and assimilating with their conquerors when Arabs subjugated the area. They became the progenitors of today’s Palestinian Arabs, many of whom now live as refugees who were exiled from their homeland during the 20th century.

In other words, the Palestinians were the original Judeians the most of the so called “Jews” are imposters who adopted the Jewish religion.

As Israeli journalist Tom Segev summarized, in a review of the book in Ha’aretz:

“There never was a Jewish people, only a Jewish religion, and the exile also never happened—hence there was no return. Zand rejects most of the stories of national-identity formation in the Bible, including the exodus from Egypt and, most satisfactorily, the horrors of the conquest under Joshua.”

Contrary to popular belief, Zand argues that Judaism was an evangelical religion that actively sought out new adherents during its formative period.

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By Louise, May 5, 2009 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

mech’elsamberg,

“I hope you avoid the temptation to trace the modern day “Palestinians” to the Biblical Philistines: substituting etymology for history won’t work here.”

~~~

OK, that one cracked me up! smile

The reference/title Palestine was determined by the British Mandate of Palestine, in 1922 and included all the land lying to the west of the Jordan River; that is, all of what is now Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza Strip. The term “Palestinian” referred to all people residing there, regardless of race or religion. Those granted citizenship, were granted “Palestinian citizenship”. That included descendents of Judah who were there. For the most part Palestinians got along fine until the Russian and European refugees began to arrive.

“... anyone with roots in the land that is now Israel, the West Bank and Gaza is technically a Palestinian ...”
(Source: The online encyclopedia; Jewish Virtual Library)

In other words, any Jew in Israel today, who descends from a jewish citizen in British mandated Palestine, is technically a Palestinian. Chew on that for a while.

The name Palestine didn’t come out of thin air! Historically Romans refered to the coastal area below the Jordan River as Palaestina. The name denoted an area as opposed to a government or nation and hung on right up through the nineteenth century when the area refered to as Palestine was defined as extending from the sea to the caravan route. Or as extending from the sea to the desert.

Etymology will only carry so far. There are other issues, namely the use of etymology by those who believe, and want the rest of the world to believe, that all those refugees who claim to be descendents of the Tribe of Judah are racially pure. But more than that, want the rest of the world to believe that they are in their entirety Israel and fully and only able to claim to be Israel in it’s entirety. That’s simply not the case. That they, (or whoever chose to name their settlement in the land of Palestine, Israel) chose the name Israel, implies that ALL the descendents from ALL the tribes of Israel are welcome there. And that would be just about everyone in the world. At least according to the word of the Bible.

Abraham’s son Isaac, had a son Jacob (who was renamed Israel), who had 12 sons (from whom came The Twelve Tribes Of Israel), one of which was Judah, from whom came the Jews. The first “Jew” was Judah, Abraham’s great-grandson. So what of all those other sons and grandsons and great grandsons? What of all those other descendents of Abraham and Israel? God promised Jacobs great grand-father Abraham, “All the land that you can see” and that his seed would be “like the dust of the earth” in number. A promise made to ALL of Abrahams descendents!

In other words, please avoid the temptation of assigning those who believe themselves to be direct descendents from the tribe of Judah the daunting task of being all of Israel, or exclusively entitled to the promise God made to Abraham. That’s not historically acurate. That’s no Biblically accurate. That’s not entymologically acurate. And, that’s not nice. No wonder they have so much trouble hanging on to what they think is exclusively theirs!

When you-all grow up enough to realize, entitlement to eternal marterdom is not necessarily a goal worth fighting and dying for, perhaps we’ll finally see peace in the Middle East. But I doubt that will happen in my life-time. Old habits die hard.

Now, just as back in the days of Abraham when his sons Ishmael and Isaac fought for control of that promised land, their descendents fight on. Battles have taken place within yards of what is believed to be Abraham’s grave. (located in Hebron in Palestine) I wonder what he would say to his descendents if he were to wake one day and walk outside.

“For shame! Still you two will not get along!”

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By richard east, May 5, 2009 at 6:28 am Link to this comment

Maybe he just needs a second look:

http://www.kadaitcha.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/palestineshrinks.jpg

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By Shingo, May 4, 2009 at 11:10 pm Link to this comment

mech’elsamberg,

>> How about answering the questions HONESTLY without the usual “Anti-Zionist” rhetoric?

You posed a dozen questions and all were answered.  I asked you ONE question and you have refused to answer it.  What gives mech’elsamberg? Are you that ashamed of Israel and it’s racist, fascist, terrorist policies that you can’t even bring yourself to look at a map, or are you simply proud of the stain on humanity that Israel has become and aren’t prepare to admit it?

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By Russian Paul, May 4, 2009 at 11:03 pm Link to this comment

You are a bigger coward than I thought. Even the likes of Bush and Olmert have realistically talked about these illegal settlements, but you can’t even muster a response?

You can’t answer those questions from the Japanese article so you try to distract me and put me on the defensive.

Your questions were answered like 20 posts ago. Pay attention, YOU are being asked a question now and your refusal to answer it is proof of your cowardice.

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By mech'elsamberg, May 4, 2009 at 10:32 pm Link to this comment

LMAO.  Nice distraction. How about answering the questions HONESTLY without the usual “Anti-Zionist” rhetoric?

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By Shingo, May 4, 2009 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment

BTW mech’elsamberg,

You seem to be having a hard time providing answer about that map. What’s the matter? Has reality made you catatonic?

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By Shingo, May 4, 2009 at 9:08 pm Link to this comment

mech’elsamberg,

>> You can’t answer those questions from the Japanese article so you try to distract me and put me on the defensive.

The questions have been answered.  You just can’t accept the answers given.  Who ever heard of a Zionist shill using a Japanese article to make his case?  Hillrious!!

>> And your disgusting hatred for anything Zionist or Israeli shows what kind of bigots you are.

Yes we hate seeing populations massacred and imprisoned in large open air prisons, land stolen, houses bulldozed.

If that makes us bigots then so be it, but what does that make you?

Here, let me help you self diagnose:

“To keep blackmailing the world with expensive museums and endless movies of the plight of the Jews under Hitler 70 years ago, while at the same time inflicting on the Palestinians today the fate of the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto, is acute schizophrenia.”

“To believe that the entire world is out to get you, and to denounce any critic of the racist policies of the state of Israel as an anti-Semite, the latest victim being none other than peace-making Jimmy Carter, is hysterical mass paranoia.”

  “And today, to blockade the world’s most densely populated strip of land for 18 months, suffocate its already displaced and miserable inhabitants by asking them to die a slow death, and then punish them for refusing to die silently by deliberately bombing their schools, mosques, hospitals and ambulances with internationally prohibited weapons and poisonous gasses in the ugliest televised massacre of children in modern history, all the while looking the world in the eyes and claiming that this is an act of self-defence, is a critical stage of dangerous psychosis, and is pure, unadulterated madness.”

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By mech'elsamberg, May 4, 2009 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment

Spare me your drama.  You can’t answer those questions from the Japanese article so you try to distract me and put me on the defensive.  It ain’t gonna work.  And your disgusting hatred for anything Zionist or Israeli shows what kind of bigots you are.

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By Shingo, May 4, 2009 at 8:38 pm Link to this comment

Russian Paul,

[At least 144 virgins will get some action.]

Good point, especially given that trafficking in sex slaves is booming industry in Israel.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2482426,00.html

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By Shingo, May 4, 2009 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment

An interesting interview in the NYT with Hamas leader.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/world/middleeast/05meshal.html?_r=1&hp;
Some important quotes:

“I promise the American administration and the international community that we will be part of the solution, period,”

But he urged outsiders to ignore the Hamas charter, which calls for the obliteration of Israel through jihad and cites as fact the infamous anti-Semitic forgery, “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.” Mr. Meshal did not offer to revoke the charter, but said it was 20 years old, adding, “We are shaped by our experiences.”

“We are with a state on the 1967 borders, based on a long-term truce. This includes East Jerusalem, the dismantling of settlements and the right of return of the Palestinian refugees.” Asked what “long-term” meant, he said 10 years.

Apart from the time restriction and the refusal to accept Israel’s existence, Mr. Meshal’s terms approximate the Arab League peace plan and what the Palestinian Authority of President Mahmoud Abbas says it is seeking. Israel rejects a full return to the 1967 borders, as well as a Palestinian right of return to Israel itself.

Regarding recognition of Israel, Mr. Meshal said the Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat and Mr. Abbas had granted such recognition, but to no avail. “Did that recognition lead to an end of the occupation? It’s just a pretext by the United States and Israel to escape dealing with the real issue and to throw the ball into the Arab and Palestinian court,” he said.

“Not firing the rockets currently is part of an evaluation from the movement which serves the Palestinians’ interest. After all, the firing is a method, not a goal. Resistance is a legitimate right, but practicing such a right comes under an evaluation by the movement’s leaders.”

He said his group was eager for a cease-fire with Israel and for a deal that would return an Israeli soldier it is holding captive, Cpl. Gilad Shalit, in exchange for many Palestinian prisoners.

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By Russian Paul, May 4, 2009 at 8:29 pm Link to this comment

But when you can’t answer the question, you just bash Israel instead.

No, mech’elsamberg, you are the one who who can’t answer a single question. Your cavilling is beyond reproach, but you have absolutely no substance and everything you say is refuted by shingo et al. You still haven’t answered their question about Israel’s borders and the land that they are illegally occupying.

But you are a coward. And you are defending a truly untenable argument which means you have to use all the dirty tricks you have. You already accused everyone here of being anti-semitic (not true, lots of anti-zionist jews here) and wanting to destroy Israel (no one said that) and you continue to ignore all the relevent questions that are asked of you.

[At least 144 virgins will get some action.]

I think that kind of callous remark really shows us what kind of human being you are.

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By Shingo, May 4, 2009 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

mech’elsamberg,

>> But when you can’t answer the question, you just bash Israel instead.

They have no bearing, they are irrelevant.

The bottom line is that Israel stole land and is killing Arabs. You’re just trying to make this about something else. 

I bash Israel when Israel deserves it.  It’s a bit like holding a rapist responsible for raping someone.  The rapist doesn’t get to claim self defense when the victim fights back. You seem to have a problem with that fundamental principal.

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By mech'elsamberg, May 4, 2009 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment

LMAO.  Of course they have bearing.  But when you can’t answer the question, you just bash Israel instead.

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By Shingo, May 4, 2009 at 5:18 pm Link to this comment

mech’elsamberg,

No.  In actual words, they have no bearing on the fact that the Palestinians were there first and Israel stole their land.

BTW.  Richard East and I are looking forward to your explanation as to Israel’s magical morphing borders. Take your time.

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By mech'elsamberg, May 4, 2009 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment

In other words, you couldn’t answer those questions so instead bashed Israel instead.  So predictable.

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By Shingo, May 4, 2009 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment

richard east,

nicely done.

I too would be curious to hear mech’elsamberg’s own brand of logic explain where the borders are supposed to be.

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By richard east, May 4, 2009 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment

mech’elsamberg,

You seem to be suffering from AIPAC-induced delusion and tendencies of defiance towards rational thought and disregard for history.

(reread Shingo’s posts please)

As if an illegal blockade was not enough…how else is Gaza supposed to get its much needed aid? Israel prevents shipments by land and defers shipments by sea. Would you suggest that citizens of Gaza be denied much needed supplies and aid and slowly suffer and die? This appears to be Israel’s stance on the issue.

I would love to hear your reaction to this:
http://www.kadaitcha.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/palestineshrinks.jpg

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By Shingo, May 4, 2009 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment

mech’elsamberg,

>> You ignored half of them or diverted away from a real answer.

I didn’t waste time on questions of no relevance to the issue.

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By mech'elsamberg, May 4, 2009 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

LMAO.  You call those “answers”.  You ignored half of them or diverted away from a real answer.

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By Shingo, May 4, 2009 at 2:33 pm Link to this comment

mech’elsamberg,

>> Pretty pathetic to tell me that I am coward for speaking up and countering those tired old lies. 

Don’t confuse lies with inconveniet facts.

>> So answer the questions in my previous post by Yashiko Sagamori.

Answers provided. So when did Yashiko Sagamori become an Israeli historian?

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By mech'elsamberg, May 4, 2009 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment

Pretty pathetic to tell me that I am coward for speaking up and countering those tired old lies.  So answer the questions in my previous post by Yashiko Sagamori.

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By Shingo, May 4, 2009 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

mech’elsamberg,

part 1 of 2

>> Is the world just plain stupid? 

No they have just woken up tot ehg racist, facsit and terrorist nature of Israel.

>> If you are so sure that ” Palestine , the country, goes back through most of recorded history,” I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine :

Very obvious attemtp to derail the argument.  The notion fo a state is a Wester invention.  There were no “contries” in the Arab Peninsula and Middle Wast until the British Empire created arbitrary borders to delineate them.  What has always existed is the concept of land and land ownership.

>> 1. When was it founded and by whom?

What does it matter?

>> 2.  What were its borders?

Where are Israel’s borders?

>> 3.  What was its capital?

What is Israel’s Capital;?  tel Avib or Jersualem?

>> 4.  What were its major cities?

Ask Moshe Dayan.  Most of them don’t exist anymore becasue Israel destroyed them and built Israel town and cities in their place.  When Israel was created, Arabs were title holders to 50% of the Land and Jews 7%.  The only way to create a Jewish state was to enthncially cleanse the Arabs off the land.

>> 5.  What constituted the basis of its economy?

Agriculture and merchants.
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2009/01/a-land-without-a-people.html

>> 6.  What was its form of government?

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2009/01/a-land-without-a-people.html

>> 7.  Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2009/01/a-land-without-a-people.html

>> 8.  Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?

Until the British created their arbitrary borders, there were no countries in the Middle East.  The UN Resolution and Balfour Delcarration called for the land to be shared between the Arabs and the Jews. The Jews wanted a Jewish state, which mean driving out the Arabs.

9.  What was the language of the country of Palestine ?

There were a number of languaged.  Arabic was one of them.

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2009/01/a-land-without-a-people.html
10. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ?

When?  Before or After the Ottoman Empire?

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By Shingo, May 4, 2009 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

mech’elsamberg,

part 2 of 2

>> 11. What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date. 

Irrelevant.  What was the Jordanian or Eg\yptian currency at the time?

>> 12. And, finally, since there is no such country today,  what caused its demise and when did it occur?

It started in 1948 with thge ethnic cleasing of 700-800 thousand Arab from the land and has continnued to this day.

>> You are lamenting the “low sinking” of a “once proud” nation.  Please tell me, when exactly was that “nation” proud and what was it so proud of?

They look pretty proud to me or does this look like a land wihout a people?

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2009/01/a-land-without-a-people.html

>> And here is the least sarcastic question of all: If the people you mistakenly call “Palestinians” are anything but generic Arabs collected from all over—or thrown out of—the Arab world, if they really have a genuine ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination, why did they never try to become independent until Arabs suffered their devastating defeat in the Six Day War?

Rubbish.  The Palestinians were fofered an independent state buthe British in retprun for driving out the Ottoman Empire.

>> I hope you avoid the temptation to trace the modern day “Palestinians” to the Biblical Philistines: substituting etymology for history won’t work here.

Why?  becasue it is inconvenient?  It’s a historical fact.  On th other hand, the Jewish link to the land has beenlong debunked.

>> Arab countries have never abandoned the dream of destroying Israel ; they still cherish it today.

Lie.  22 Arab countries have offerded a peace tretry which recpognizes Israel as per the 1967 broider and to normalize relations with Isrsel,  Israel has rejected the offer.

>> How else can you explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to unconditionally accept back the “West Bank” and Gaza , respectively?

Rubbsih.  Those 22 Arabs states include Jordan and Egypt.

>> The fact is, Arabs populating Gaza, Judea, and Samaria have much less claim to nationhood than that Indian tribe that successfully emerged in Connecticut with the purpose of starting a tax-exempt casino: at least that tribe had a constructive goal that motivated them.

Not a fact a lie.  The Arabs have been there for thousand fo years.  Arab towns like Jericho date back before the creation fo Judaism.

>> The so-called “Palestinians” have only one motivation: the destruction of Israel , and in my book that is not sufficient to consider them a nation

That’s just a racist lie usex to defend the indefensible.

>> In fact, there is only one way to achieve peace in the Middle East . Arab countries must acknowledge and accept their defeat in their war against Israel and, as the losing side should, pay Israel reparations for the more than 50 years of devastation they have visited on it.

Hillarius.  That’s like arguin gthe Wet shoudl pay reprerations for hte devastation inflicted on Germany

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By Shingo, May 4, 2009 at 1:53 pm Link to this comment

mech’elsamberg,

>> The peaceniks don’t care about peace.  They want to see Israel destroyed.  Read the remarks. 

How easily the lies and the cowardly carnardds flow of your tongue.  Now one has mentioned anything about Israel being destroyed, but what the hell, when you are defending the indefensible, anything will do right mech’elsamberg?

>> Cowardly Jew haters hiding behind the politically correct label of “anti-Zionist” does not make them any less of a Jew hater and there is nothing peaceful about calling for the destruction of Eretz Yisra’el.

Translation:  If you don’t agree and sipprt Israel’s murderous, racist and expansionist policies, it’s not because you find such poslicies offesive and unacceptable, it’s becasue you secretyl don’t like Jews.

Yes mech’elsamberg, you are indeed a coward.

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By mech'elsamberg, May 4, 2009 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment

A Japanese View of the Palestinians

Is the world just plain stupid?   

  An interesting questionnaire for Palestinian Advocates
By Yashiko Sagamori

If you are so sure that ” Palestine , the country, goes back through most of recorded history,” I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine : 


1.  When was it founded and by whom?


2.  What were its borders?


3.  What was its capital?


4.  What were its major cities?


5.  What constituted the basis of its economy?


6.  What was its form of government?


7.  Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?


8.  Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?


9.  What was the language of the country of Palestine ?


10. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ?


11. What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date.


12. And, finally, since there is no such country today,  what caused its demise and when did it occur?


You are lamenting the “low sinking” of a “once proud” nation.  Please tell me, when exactly was that “nation” proud and what was it so proud of?


And here is the least sarcastic question of all: If the people you mistakenly call “Palestinians” are anything but generic Arabs collected from all over—or thrown out of—the Arab world, if they really have a genuine ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination, why did they never try to become independent until Arabs suffered their devastating defeat in the Six Day War?

I hope you avoid the temptation to trace the modern day “Palestinians” to the Biblical Philistines: substituting etymology for history won’t work here.


The truth should be obvious to everyone who wants to know it.  Arab countries have never abandoned the dream of destroying Israel ; they still cherish it today. Having time and again failed to achieve their evil goal with military means, they decided to fight Israel by proxy. For that purpose, they created a terrorist organization, cynically called it “the Palestinian people” and installed it in Gaza , Judea, and Samaria . How else can you explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to unconditionally accept back the “West Bank” and Gaza , respectively?


The fact is, Arabs populating Gaza, Judea, and Samaria have much less claim to nationhood than that Indian tribe that successfully emerged in Connecticut with the purpose of starting a tax-exempt casino: at least that tribe had a constructive goal that motivated them. The so-called “Palestinians” have only one motivation: the destruction of Israel , and in my book that is not sufficient to consider them a nation”—or anything else except what they really are: a terrorist organization that will one day be dismantled.


In fact, there is only one way to achieve peace in the Middle East . Arab countries must acknowledge and accept their defeat in their war against Israel and, as the losing side should, pay Israel reparations for the more than 50 years of devastation they have visited on it. The most appropriate form of such reparations would be the removal of their terrorist organization from the land of Israel and accepting Israel’s ancient sovereignty over Gaza , Judea, and Samaria .


That will mark the end of the Palestinian people. What are you saying again was its beginning?

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By mech'elsamberg, May 4, 2009 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

The peaceniks don’t care about peace.  They want to see Israel destroyed.  Read the remarks.  Cowardly Jew haters hiding behind the politically correct label of “anti-Zionist” does not make them any less of a Jew hater and there is nothing peaceful about calling for the destruction of Eretz Yisra’el.

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By mech'elsamberg, May 4, 2009 at 9:49 am Link to this comment

I love all these comments. The tunnels are illegal, Eretz Yisra’el is protecting its citizens, and the best you can come up with is demonizing Israel.

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By Jean Gerard, May 4, 2009 at 9:27 am Link to this comment
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Miles of comment and hardly a word about treating the causes, in spite of the fact that tens of thousands on both sides want peace.  Why?  Because if the fighting stopped, arms manufacturers would lose money.

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By Thomas Mc, May 4, 2009 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

If the world gave a crap about the Palestinians, they would have put an end to the Fascist State of Israel a long time ago, just like they did the Fascist State of Germany.

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By hidflect, May 4, 2009 at 8:16 am Link to this comment

When they reported this, the BBC repeatedly just uncritically reported the tunnels as being used to “smuggle weapons into Gaza”. No mention of “Israel alleges” or any hint that “supplies” such as food and medicine are trucked across.

THANK YOU BBC. YOUR DIRECTOR’S ZIONIST WIFE IS SATISFIED WITH YOUR REPORTING!

As a British citizen I feel like I have no country anymore. It’s been taken over by a gang of murderers.

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By Louise, May 4, 2009 at 7:41 am Link to this comment

Shalom Aleichem
“Peace be upon you.”

Aleichem Shalom
“Upon you be peace.”

Salaam ‘Alaykum.
“Peace be upon you”.

Alaykum As-Salaam,
“Upon you be peace”

Words with meaning often spoken without meaning, like “Hi how are you?” And the “Fine thanks” response. Since few if any really want to know how the other is, and even fewer trust enough to answer honestly.

Cultural habits, or demographic patterns. Religious custom or geographic location. All influenced by and subject to the oft repeated words as acknowledgement, but all to often said without heartfelt meaning. Deep in the soul of every living thing is a desire to be, and to be seen. A desire to love, and be loved. Perhaps someday we as a society of man will actually become wise enough to understand the word peace has no meaning if the intent of the word is not fully ingrained in our hearts, minds and souls, followed by honest commitment to make it so.

Until that day “peace” will continue to be a simple word. A word universally understood, universally repeated and all to often universally ignored, other than to say it as though the saying alone will make it so.

All across the world there are Jews, Muslims and Christians living side by side in communities where “community” and living side by side is the more important functionaing reality. Where wise parents and children understand the concept of community. Where to preserve the whole preserves their respective place in it. It is possible and it does happen. So how come that has been almost impossible in that small land called Israel, ever since it was decided Israel needed to be created by man?

Perhaps that’s the answer. Perhaps an honest examination of history will reveal, when mankind plays God, nothing works out quite right. Perhaps it’s time mankind stop trying to second guess God and focus on the gifts of intelligence and understanding that God gave us. Focus on trying to play at being the best mankind can be. The kind of people who see themselves as having value as individual beings in the larger scope of all being. Perhaps then mankind can truly understand the call to love one another as we love ourselves. Then we wont simply say peace, we will live peace.

“And angels shall enter unto them from every gate (saying) Salaamun ‘Aleykum (peace be upon you) for you persevered in patience! Excellent indeed is the final home!” (Ar-Ra’ad 13:23-24)

So long as we allow people to play God, to sacrifice the blood of their innocent children on the alter of their own greed, there own selfish need, there will be no peace on earth. I suspect if there is a God, he/she must weep eternally for the foolishness of mankind. Most especially those who have determined they are the favored of God. Because if that is so, there are maxims in all the holy books that tell man, to those who have been given the most, the most is expected from them in return. So perhaps if we are going to judge, without expecting ro be judged in return, we need to see the need to give the most. We being those who in our most excellent conceit believe we are “chosen”.

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By john from ojai, May 3, 2009 at 10:34 pm Link to this comment
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Please contact your media and politicians to lift the illegal blockade that makes Gaza the worlds largest prison. Prosecute Israel for numerous war crimes.

A reminder, anti-Zionism is not the same as anti-Semitic. Many Jews and justice seekers are anti-Zionist and many Jews in the U.S. and Israel were outraged by Israel’s atrocities in Gaza.Over 900 Jews in Israel were arrested for protesting the Gaza genocide. Israel is treating Gaza civilians like Hitler treated Jews in Warsaw.Stop the insanity!

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By Fred, May 3, 2009 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment
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Was the King David Hotel bombing the one when the “terrorists” (your noun) called the British and the Palestinian Newspaper to tell them that the explosives were about to go off and where?

Sounds like very comprable actions to those of the transjordanians.

I agree with the Sherman guy. Burn the territories to the ground and let them rebuild it.

Worked with the Confederates, it’ll work with those degenerates.

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By Shingo, May 3, 2009 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment

far from being inconvenient, current events are exposing the lies and genocidal tendencies of Israel in real time.  After all, while accusing Hamas of breaking the ceasefire, Israel’s own spokesman admitted dyurign a live interview that Hamas fired no rockets at Israel between July and November 4th, at which time, Israel, not Hamas, broke the ceasefire.

You are so predictable.  One minute you are complaining about my refrence to events 60 years ago as being ancient history, and the next, you’re pulling Hitler outr of your old, tired and cluiched’s bag odf tricks.  you really are scraping the barrel aren’t you?

poor you.

I made no reference to Jews and I never will.  Israel are not fighting back, you have become the tyrants and the oppressors and have been for 60 years. 

I do agree with you on one thing however.  No you are not my grandfather’s Jews.  There is nothing Jewish about your fascist and racist ideology.

Peace.

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By mech'elsamberg, May 3, 2009 at 7:39 pm Link to this comment

No pickle at all, hon.  You guys have to keep harping on the same old stuff over and over ad nauseum.  Sorry current events are an inconvenience for you.  I guess, like Hitler, if you demonize the Jews often enough, the lies sooner or later will become the truth.  This time we are fighting back.  We are not your grandfather’s Jews.  Shalom Aleichem.

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By Shingo, May 3, 2009 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment

60 years is not ancient history and more importantly, that 60 history is fundamental to the conflict. After all, should we forget about the Holocaust, seeing as theta even more ancient?  I know how much you want us to forget about Israel’s terrorist history sweetie, because it’s terribly inconvenient for you, but no can do.

>> Stop using ancient history to tell your “anti-Zionist” lies.

Ooops.  It looks like you got yourself into a pickle there sweetie.  Is it history or is it lies? 

BTW.  The plot to bomb London is a historical fact:

http://thetanjara.blogspot.com/2007/04/jewish-1946-plot-to-assassinate-bevin.html

>> By the way, how are human rights going for gays and women in the “territories”?  I hear Hamas loves them both.

Right on cue, let’s change the subject and talk about gay rights.  When was the last time 1,300 were slaughtered in the “territories” (most of whom were womena and children) within a space of 3 weeks?

Say, when are you going to being up Sudan?

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By mech'elsamberg, May 3, 2009 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

Honey, the year is 2009.  Stop using ancient history to tell your “anti-Zionist” lies.  By the way, how are human rights going for gays and women in the “territories”?  I hear Hamas loves them both.

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By Shingo, May 3, 2009 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment

>> Israeli terrorism.  That is cute.

Sorry to break to to you, but they were called terrorists in Israel too, so you might want to get your retrograde ideology up to speed.

I’m hardly surprised you do find terrorism to be cute.  After all, you are defending a terrorist state.

>> We don’t use our kids as human shields. 

Why woudl you use human shields when you can use F-16’s and apache helicopters.  Of course, when they try to use missiles to defend themselves, you don’t like that either.

We don’t promise 72 virgins. 

>> We celebrate life, not death.

Really?

The bombing of the King David Hotel killed over 100 people and you celebrated the 60th anniversary of that.  Your PM was the only leader in the world who described 911 as a good thing.

Sounds like you guys are very fond of celebrating death, so long as it’s someone else’s.

What other country in the world celebrates the anniversary of a terrorist attack?

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By mech'elsamberg, May 3, 2009 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

Israeli terrorism.  That is cute. We don’t use our kids as human shields.  We don’t promise 72 virgins.  We celebrate life, not death.

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By richard east, May 3, 2009 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment
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mech’elsamberg, you appear to be suffering from AIPAC-induced delusions…

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By Shingo, May 3, 2009 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment

Exactly the same.

The only difference is that one is Israeli terrorism and the other Muslim.

In fact, if the Stern gang had their way, they would have bombed London and they had threatened to.

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By mech'elsamberg, May 3, 2009 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

Hardly the same.

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By Shingo, May 3, 2009 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

>> If the Transjordanians were civilized, there’d be no need for a wall or checkpoints.

What do you mean civi8lized?  The Ashkenazim were doing the same thing in 1948 againstthe British, and they were rewarded with their own state. In fact, Israel celebrated their uncivilized history in 2006 and elected two uncivilized terrorist leaders to lead the terrorist state.

Maybe the British should have taken your advice and built a wall in 1048 to keep the uncivilized Ashkenazim in check too?

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By mech'elsamberg, May 3, 2009 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment

Some more boohoo?  If the Transjordanians were civilized, there’d be no need for a wall or checkpoints.

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By Shingo, May 3, 2009 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

>> When you kill Jews its freedom fighting but kill a terrorist and its genocide.

BTW.  Which terrorists are you talking about?  Israeli terrorists or Palestinian?

Didn’t you know, terrorism is revered and honored in Israel.  After all, not only did Israel elected 2 terrorist leaders to the office of PM, in 2006 they celebrated the 60th anniversary of a famous terrorist attack (the bombing of the King David Hotel).

Israel must be the only country that continues to celebrate a terrorist attack more than half a century after it took place.  But then, what do you expect from a terrorist state founded on terrorism?

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By Shingo, May 3, 2009 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

The 2 year old blockade is illegal, but then, sio is everything that Israel does, including building the separation wall, building settlements, and massacring Palestinians. In fact, the last time Israel were blockaded they declared it an act of war, so by Israeli standards, the Palestinians have every right to transport bombs.

In any case, there is no proof that the Palestinians were transporting bombs, short of the Israeli government, which are pathological liars.

>> When you kill Jews its freedom fighting but kill a terrorist and its genocide.

That’s the argument that the Ashkenazim have been using.  Remember? When Israel commits mas murder, it’s not only self defense, but it is moral.

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By mech'elsamberg, May 3, 2009 at 5:27 pm Link to this comment

LMAO.  The tunnels are illegal.  They were probably transporting bombs.  When you kill Jews its freedom fighting but kill a terrorist and its genocide.

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By Shingo, May 3, 2009 at 5:17 pm Link to this comment

Yeah, what’s wrong with a bit of harmless genocide now and then right mech’elsamberg?  After all, like a former Israeli Pm once said, they are just 2 legged beasts after all.  Nothing to get upset about.

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By mech'elsamberg, May 3, 2009 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment

Boo hoo.  Its always about the poor poor poor Transjordanians and the big bad Israelis.  At least 144 virgins will get some action.

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By Shingo, May 3, 2009 at 5:02 pm Link to this comment

>> Hopefully Isreal destroys all the tunnels, it’ll be easier to then isolate and eliminate the resistance then.

That’s like saying if they kill all the terrorists, there won’t be any more terrorism, which demonstrates how deluded you are.

Israel is still blockading Gaza, so the only way to get supplies in and out of Gaza is via tunnels.

>> I think the only solution to this terrorist problem is the Sherman model, destroy the oppositions ability to wage war.

Again, this demonstrates the extent of your delusion.

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By youraveragejoe, May 3, 2009 at 4:37 pm Link to this comment

How true:  One man’s “freedom fighter” is another man’s terrorist.

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By Tom, May 3, 2009 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment
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Hopefully Isreal destroys all the tunnels, it’ll be easier to then isolate and eliminate the resistance then. I think the only solution to this terrorist problem is the Sherman model, destroy the oppositions ability to wage war.

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By Oceana, May 3, 2009 at 10:31 am Link to this comment

Following are links to two articles that provide another example of the U.S., European and Israeli governments exploiting resources from the Palestinian people. It is one more reason in the minds of the aggressors to act as dishonest brokers ensuring that peace and justice are not found, but rather servitude.

May the voice of Hamas be heard – a government democratically elected by the people. Only then can the propaganda campaign potentially be stopped. They are not terrorists. Only then can the aggressors be stopped from blaming the victim for the inhumane illegal acts that they commit in order to exploit the resources from another people’s land!

Peak Oil News:
The $4 billion opportunity off the coast of Gaza
http://www.peakoil.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=45640

Oil and Gas Journal
http://www.ogj.com/articles/save_screen.cfm?ARTICLE_ID=237936

The government U.S. government is a servant to the corporations, not to individual people who have blood running through their veins.  As Joel Bakan succinctly stated “The problem was especially pressing because, with economic globalization in full swing, corporations were emerging as global governing institutions, dominating societies and governments throughout the world.  At the same time, most people had, and have, very little understanding of their true institutional nature.  So it made sense to ask:  What is the nature of this new governing institution? What are the consequences of its growing hold on society?  I developed the idea that the corporation, deemed by law to be a person, had a psychopathic personality, and that there was something quite bizarre, and dangerous, in such an institution wielding so much power.” The Corporation http://www.thecorporation.com

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By al jazeera, May 3, 2009 at 9:24 am Link to this comment
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Al Jazeera is great. i watch it online all the time, but i wish i could watch it on television. it’s only available in two cities in the whole f-ing United States! how crazy is that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgM_c5pckdE

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By Louise, May 3, 2009 at 8:59 am Link to this comment

“The bombing came shortly after three mortar rounds were launched into Israeli territory from the northern Gaza Strip, causing no casualties.”

~~~

There you go!

Since when did Israel need casualties to justify aggression? Seriously, did anyone actually believe Israel could go two whole months without finding an excuse to drop bombs inside their Gaza prison? What’s the fun of having a prison if you cant abuse the prisoners?

Ask Cheney ... no fun at all.

Besides, keeping them bleeding keeps them angry, which feeds the need to have an enemy, which feeds the need to retaliate, which feeds the need to believe violence is ok, as long as the violence is directed at violence. Or something like that.

I wonder ... do you suppose those “private contractors” who helped our soldiers in Abu Ghraib learn how to torture could have been Israeli?

I mean the logic is there. Hurt the prisoner to anger the populace to feed the violence to make it possible to get more prisoners to hurt, to anger the populace to feed the violence to make it possible to get more prisoners to hurt. Makes perfect sense, right?

Eternal war, Israeli style.

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By Folktruther, May 2, 2009 at 10:39 pm Link to this comment

Damn right, Fadel.  Only they could stop firing ineffective mortors if the Palestinians were given anti-air and anti-tank missiles to break out of their gigantic Gazan prison camp.

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By Fadel Abdallah, May 2, 2009 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment

Of course, as a symbol for a resistance movement, they have to fire their benign, ineffective mortars. This is the only way those courageous, yet dwindling number of freedom fighters, have been left with to prove to themselves, to their fellow defeatist Palestinians and Arabs, to fascist Israel and to the morally bankrupt world at large that they exist and that they are continuing to fight for freedom and justice.

It’s as simple as the logical formula of “I resist then I do exist!” Or as the other logical formula of “I continue to fight for freedom, justice and truth, therefore I am life and love affirming, while the enemies are on the side of evil, life-denial and tyranny!”

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