@Samosamo:

You’re right. How could I have missed that? I must be nuts.

By Mark E. Smith, May 1 at 3:37 am

I figured out the ‘humans are a cancer to the earth’ concept quite sometime ago. And there is no better analogy for the mess we maintain, well, add insanity to it.

@ITW:

Boast? If you’d read my opinion of corporate “professionals” you’d know it was self-deprecation.

I’m a nobody and I have no accomplishments to my name—just an old geezer who has had the Chinese curse of an interesting life. But I’ve participated on many blogs and mailing lists in discussions with all sorts of folks, both edumacated and unschooled. The ones who have advanced degrees often assume that anyone who happens to know anything must be one of them, and I always set them straight. If I was one of them, my knowledge would be as limited as theirs.

But I’m fairly well read, so I frequently have scientists assume that I’m a scientist, doctors assume that I’m a doctor, and lawyers assume that I’m a lawyer. If you happen to know some of the things that they think are professional secrets, and can speak some of their jargon, people in the professional industries often assume you must be one of them.
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Oh give me a friggin’ break!  What are you, The Great Imposter, Demara?  Who are you kidding?

Next you’ll be telling us you are a clandesting op, a SEAL, a nth degree Black Belt and The President calls you twice a week for your advice!

The boasts made by people here are sometimes just flat-out hilarious.

Samosamo, y’know how the government has been talking about quarantines because of this swine flu thing? Some places have advised people to stock up on two weeks worth of food and bottled water just in case they get quarantined.

Okay, in a healthy biosphere everything contributes something. Animals eat fruit from trees, then they poop out seeds and fertilizer. Except for “civilized” people. “Civilized” people take everything they can from the earth and give nothing back in any useful form. Wastes are concentrated so that they become toxic. Natural things are turned into unnatural non-biodegradable junk. “Civilized” people turn living things into dead things and call it progress, development, and technology.

Now the only things I know of that feed on healthy stuff and give nothing useful back in return are cancer cells.

So the way I figure it, if there is intelligent life in the universe, we ain’t going nowhere, spaceships, wormholes, whatever. Because the minute we became malignant, we were quarantined so that we couldn’t metastasize into space. If we get beyond this solar system, it means there is no intelligent life in the universe, including us.

A nonviable species will always overpopulate and produce more waste than its environment can recycle, so it eventually becomes extinct, dying off poisoned by its own wastes. But we call that nuclear “development.” And cancers devour every healthy cell they can reach until there are no more healthy cells left and they die from lack of anything to consume. We call that progress.

Question: What kind of beings are born into a habitat where everything they need is provided in more than sufficient quantities, including air, water, food, etc., and then overpopulate and pollute so that the habitat becomes uninhabitable?

Answer: Ecologically nonviable species and malignancies. Everything else controls its reproductive rate in accordance with available resources and gives something back whenever it takes anything. Divorce yourself from nature and you’ve divorced yourself from life.

We don’t own anything. We had usufruct and we blew it.

Thanks to patriarchal religions, most humans born in the last 5,000 years don’t even know the difference between sex and rape, the difference between accepting with respect, gratitude, and reciprocation that which is given freely, and taking something by force and giving nothing in return because you think you have a right to it or own it.

We have raped Grandmother earth, tortured her, abused her, and left her dying as we searched for other planets to plunder. Instead of offering her even the simplest and cheapest first aid, we ignore her and spend trillions on nuclear proliferation and space programs. We have no more unpolluted air or water. We’ve cut down most of the forests and made a hole in the ozone layer that used to protect us. Most people are surviving on diseased and poisoned meat from factory farms and genetically modified corn and soy.

As we anti-civs are so fond of saying, we’re f**ked.

By Mark E. Smith, April 30 at 11:25 pm
““I’m certainly anti-science in many respects. For example I don’t think that being objective is an asset when it means that people divorce themselves from human feelings and do things that are immoral, amoral, or unethical.”“
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I find this to be a highly interesting observation. It seems to me that scientific researchers these days are based more on ‘sweat factory’ regimes and profits. Maybe a researcher could take some time off but his motivation was more about money than what would or would not be ethical to work on to whatever end, if good or bad.

It just doesn’t make much sense, otherwise, to me to do all this work and and discover something that would show great results from less that perfect testing conditions and an intelligent person not caring one way or the other about how it was used. In short the corporate way of ‘doing business’. In other words, a brilliant mind may make a break through on some research but the company is ever present to stake claim and ownership of someone else’s work.

I question alot about current research work and its validity because trying to ‘figure out everything’ is for me unrealistic. For instance, I don’t believe humans will get further off this planet than the so called further reaches of this solar system, but maybe to the closest star at the most.

Lord amighty if that new Hadron Collider turned out to actually tear spacetime open and worm hole on earth. Doubt anything would survive that.
Just my take on the lot of things today.

KDelphi, no I didn’t work in medical labs. I did clerical and billing work for a neurologist once, that’s all. I didn’t have any qualifications other than the ability to spell, which apparently some of the certificated people he’d hired previously, didn’t have.

But I’m fairly well read, so I frequently have scientists assume that I’m a scientist, doctors assume that I’m a doctor, and lawyers assume that I’m a lawyer. If you happen to know some of the things that they think are professional secrets, and can speak some of their jargon, people in the professional industries often assume you must be one of them.

I’m certainly anti-science in many respects. For example I don’t think that being objective is an asset when it means that people divorce themselves from human feelings and do things that are immoral, amoral, or unethical. And I’ve seen numerous “scientific” studies that didn’t have the most basic things required for a study to be considered scientific, such as a control group. I’m aware to too many things that were presented as scientific facts that later proved to be untrue. And there are quite a few highly credentialed scientists who haven’t got a lick of common sense. Who’s that Nobel Prize winner who thinks that Africans are genetically inferior? A dummkopf is a dummkopf even when he’s called Dr. Dummkopf or Professor Dummkopf.

Mark—I saw a program that that is how the HIV virus got started—they were testing polio vaccines, but, were not supposed to test it on chimpanzees, because they are too genetically similar to us—they were supposed to use calibbas monkies.But, there were tame chimps around and they used them anyway. Chimps have a natural immunity to the virus (but not to flu or colds, they get really sick, and, they get polio from someone who they contact that just has a live vaccine in them)I’m probably not explaining this very well. But, the point is, that, blood contact with a chimp or monkey probably caused the spread of HIV…the other alternative is someone ate undercooked chimp brainas, that other in unthinkable.

I would have dismissed it had it not been on pbs…maybe ITW knows something? Didnt you work in medicine labs or something? Please dont yell and say its a conspiracy theory, even if it is…

I just dont know how they would ever really know the truth. If someone did something that stupid, they would never admit it. I would kill myself if I thought I did somethign that idiotic.

I dont know if its true. I just think that not all advances in science have turned out to be good for mankind. (I care about our ape brothers, but, people come first, of course—I think that we need to show them more respect—they should never be pets. NO large brained mammals should be, really)

No, I am NOT anti-science!
I am just rambling. Waiting for Medicaid lawyer to call and tell me if I can go back to work…unless we get natl health care in the next few hours, then I wont have to worry….lol

Some interesting stuff from Dr. Mercola about the polio vaccine:

Polio Vaccine Linked to a Cancer-Causing Monkey Virus

Funny how facts can lead to conspiracy theories.

Fact: Salk used monkey kidneys as a substrate.

Fact: Money kidneys contain simian viruses.

Fact: Simian viruses have been known to be carcinogenic to humans.

Conspiracy theory: The vaccine that prevented polio, caused a lot of cancers.

KD,
You are right—we really aren’t disagreeing, much. I think Thimerasol should be banned. It used to be in contact lens solution and you paid more for Thimerasol free—I’m allergic to it.  Mercury shouldn’t be added to ANYTHING contacted by people.

And using kids as guinea pigs, is, of course, criminally wrong.

ITW—If you are saying that the risks musts be more exposed,and considered, I dont really see where we are disagreeing, unless you are just accoustomed to it or something….Democracy Now is calling this the NAFTA flu…but I cant download the video…therre are very many drugs whose side (or primary?) effects dont show up for decades. Kids have been getting childhood diseases for a very long time.

I repeat that I am not against vaccination. Its just that they cut corners all the time, and, they use kids as guinea pigs.There doesnt have to be thermerosol in vaccines at all,,,but it saved money. There doesnt have to be mercury—there are other more expensive preservatives—-many thousands of people die from drug interactions every year. I believe that this is due to giving pills, (some just buy them online, for lack of insurance)when other actions might be more appropriate. I dont mean to sound like a broken record, but, if we had natl health caRE system (NOT “insurnce” system,)...this might not have spread so fast…

Polio is making a rebound also, if I am not mistaken..also, why dont we just close businesses??Why just “suggestions” from the Ag. Sec. that eating pork wont cause it? Because they all have stock in Smithfield, if you ask me..and, maybe Roche…but we have no right to know, apparently..

By Night-Gaunt, April 29 at 11:44 am
““But I do wonder why only Mexicans are dying from it. The first to die on USA soil is a child who came from Mexico.”“
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That is a curious thing. I have wondered if it is because those people have a compromised immune system for whatever reasons. But those dying are healthy middle aged people supposedly, so why aren’t the very young or very old dying? This, I believe, was how the 1918 spanish flu behaved.

One thing, with the ‘human touch’ of on-the-shelf-processed-food that will have all manner of foreign substances in it, or just people’s diet, may be factors.

In somewhat related news, I just saw the new episode of Law and Order Special Victims Unit. Apparently the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation sponsored this episode. In it, a mother who refuses to vaccinate her son is put on trial for murder because her son infected another kid who died. I’ve never felt so sleazy after watching a TV show, the perfect timing of this episode is pretty frightening too, since it was written and shot months ago, but released just in time to help with all the fearmongering.

By rfidler, April 28 at 6:20 pm #

“You have to admire the genius of George Bush, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld- inventing the swine flu virus.”

Of course you should be calling it Swine/Avian/Human flu virus to be correct, too many shorten everything to the point of uselessness. It is strange to say the least but it might be possible to accidentally have it created due to how pigs are kept in huge farms, including in Mexico. But I do wonder why only Mexicans are dying from it. The first to die on USA soil is a child who came from Mexico.

The problems aren’t the vaccines but the perceived corruption of the Pharmaceutical corporations who create them. Too often the vaccination program is the onus and not Big Pharma. The disease is worse than the contaminated cure by far. Influenza is still very dangerous and should be respected.

KDelphi, April 28 at 11:56 pm #

As you say, sometimes kids just get sick—and that is hw they buld up immunity.
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I don’t understand.  Vaccines build up immunity by forcing your body to build anti-bodies against it.  They do it the same way diseases do, but hopefully don’t give you the disease, and certainly not as severely.

Yes, you must watch for the medium—my wife cannot take tetanus injections for that reason.  But while she has never had tetanus she is DEFINITELY more susceptible than I am who have had the inoculations pretty much every 10 years.  It’s a horrible, deadly disease that’s very rare—because people get inoculated! 

Polio was conquered in the US by destroying the basis for its spread—by giving millions of school kids the famous sugar cube there were no hosts to keep spreading it.

Rubella is fairly mild, but an epidemic of it created a spate of blind children in 1964 from pregnant mothers who caught it.  Immunizing kids helps keep pregnant women from being exposed to it, protecting the fetus. 

Pertussis vaccine is a particularly nasty one—side effects can be devastating. But in Europe, when parents started rejecting immunization, epidemics of Whooping Cough broke out, and far more children were hurt by the disease.

Epidemiology is not magic or mysticism. It’s science and should be seen as such.

Yes, risk-benefit analysis is needed—they stopped inoculating kids for small-pox, didn’t they?  Since there were no reported cases in the world they figured the risk of the vaccine FINALLY outweighed the risk of the disease. 

Of course, if they are wrong, all our children are going to get sick and many will die….because somebody ELSE made that decision.  If I could have my kids inoculated against smallpox, as I and my siblings and parents were, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

ITW—I must admit, I dont understand your premise, of, “build up immiunity” and “get vaccinations”. I am not trying to give you bull about it, but, many researchers do think that we are getting too many.

As you say, sometimes kids just get sick—and that is hw they buld up immunity.

I had the usual childhood diseases—measels, mumps, etc. (some you name were way before me). My mother used to take the sick one and put us all in bed together so we wuld all be sick at once…seriously. Now, by the time a kid is 18 mos old, theyve had something like 72 vaccinations, just to be admitted to public school…

That would seem to be the opposite of strengthening oneself against adversity, in a natural way, anyway.

I am not against all vaccinaton. I juat think that the side effects are often pushed aside in a rush to get them to mkt and vaccinate everyone. Some are hurt by them.

I am allergic to chicken eggs and feather and cannot take the flu vaccine, for instance. There are many like me. Some researchers think taht early exposure to such things makes a shild more allergic. Some think taht kids not getting exposed to dirt is bad for them.

All the resserach is, of course, not in. But some vaccines are much more proven than others, and, I dont think we need to run every child out for, say, a pneumonia vaccine.

The worst vaccine is the Hep B vaccine—I had to get it to work with some of the people I did…most who got the vaccine got very sick, and, the few who got out of getting it—not one got HEp B.

I just think we need to weigh the risks..

KDelphi, April 28 at 5:41 pm #

Why is that pig so cute…
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I dunno, but he just is.  Intelligent, inquisitive, doesn’t look like there’s a mean bone in his body—and a helluva lot pleasanter to look at than the mugs of Cheney, Rove, Limbaugh and Rumsfeld.

I absolutely believe in immunizations and see those who oppose them as being as dumb as Creationists.

My kids get every immunization they can.  If they still had the smallpox vaccine we got, they’d get that too.

Strength comes for struggling against something.  You build immunity strength by forcing the body to build anti-bodies.
You build muscle strength by forcing muscles to grow in response to painful abuse. What you call charlie horse is the slight damage exercise does to the muscle that the body then grows back stronger to protect against it.
You build mental strength by exercising your brain, solving problems, confronting apparent contradictions, doing math, strategy, music.
You strength steel by beating it!
You strengthen your kids by letting them face adversity.  The hardest thing is to let your kid fall down when you KNOW you can catch him, because you know it will make him stronger.

My father had whooping cough. He had polio. We had measles and chickenpox and mumps.  My kid had only 5th disease—the rest he’s immunized against.

Yes there’s a risk from immunization.  Absolutely.  But there’s a far, FAR greater risk from NOT immunizing kids.

Polio collapsed in America because school kids were FORCED to take the salk vaccine—and the disease collapsed without hosts.

I know I’ll get the usual crap about vaccines…

I agree with tropicgirl concerning the Ft Detrick origins of the swine flu, with one caveat. The entire bioweapons project was moved from there to Dick Cheney’s basement in Jackson, Wyoming just before weaponization of the virus was undertaken. Frederick, Maryland, home to the fort, was no longer deemed suitable. I mean, have you ever been to Frederick, Maryland? What a white-bread, mouth-breathing, NASCAR loving town! It was the perfect place for bio-weapons research, and, being such an obvious target for criticism, was removed to more clandestine environs.

And, as if further proof was necessary, it is quite obvious that the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld megapharma lab had a blank check from Zionist Jew bankers and financiers. Proof, you ask? What animal don’t Jews eat? What better way to eliminate the goyim and advance world domination?

But, you object- Muslims don’t eat pigs either? What about them? Well, we all know that in a war between Jews and Muslims, Jews always win. As Bebe Netanyahu was recently overheard saying to Lieberman, “Virus! We don’t need no stinking virus!”

I think I have swine flu!!

Anybody fix that “torture problem” yet? WMD’s—weapons of mass distraction…

I’m not saying that there isnt flu—but 35,000 people die of reg flu every year. The grunts of Abu Ghraib are in prison, and Ruummy is home making money off Roche.

If people were nt afraid to take their kids to the doc, or, take off work, maybe we could contain diseases better. I heard someone today say that “mexico was the start of it cause they have natl health care”...??? They dont and no its not!

Hmmm, I just saw a headline on msnbc where the swine flu is spreading into the mideast and asia. If it is correct that this started in mexico, does that mean mexicans are moving into the middle east and asia in such numbers that they are spreading this flu? Is it the same flu? Surely our country wouldn’t be using cia or private contractor operatives to be spreading it around would they? But they maybe using those ‘pigs on the wings’ to make a few passovers. If you travel don’t sit next to a pig.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30398682/

You have to admire the genius of George Bush, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld- inventing the swine flu virus. Several recently uncovered secret memos show that the same CIA-contracted lab which came up with the AIDS virus is also responsible for this one. Further investigation has shown that Rummy and Dick are major stockholders in the big pharma firm, that Bush was reportedly offered a spot on the board of directors, and that all three commissioned the work.

There is talk now of sealing the Mexican border: They couldn’t stop the flow of Latino/Latina NAFTA refugees through politico-legal means so they came up with this virus (strangely, far more lethal to Mexicans than Anglos!) to achieve their aims.

Although only a few deaths have been “officially confirmed” in Mexico, several unimpeachable sources have reported that just in Quintana Roo alone, thousands of victims, the vast majority women and children, have been hurriedly burned and buried in mass graves, several before they were actually declared dead. Tourists in Cancun report that the evening sky west of town glows red from the pyres. One tourist who went to investigate the glow said she was reminded of those movies from World War II where G.I.s were bulldozing all those Nazi department store mannequins into holes before the American housewives could see how superior German shopping really was. The same tourist also report having trouble getting room service and clean towels at the pool.

It has been irrefutably demonstrated that Cancun is the main gateway for the virus into Mexico. Sources confirm that a US registered cruise ship, chartered by AIPAC for a weeklong celebration of Binyamin Netanyahu’s victory in the latest Israeli election, was forced to dump all of the pork products on board into Cancun Harbor. The idle, unsupervised children of the indigent indigenous maids and gardeners employed (enslaved??) by the big resort hotel chains, who innocently swam in the harbor, were the first to be infected and die, but not before transmitting the deadly disease to their care-givers.

Another recent independent study commissioned by Bernie Sanders’ office confirms that, for the poorest, most ethnically pure Amerinds (indeed, the descendants of the very Mayans who lived in harmony with the earth until the Conquistadores fucked everything up by forcing them to change bed linens and rake leaves), the time from exposure to death is often less than seven days. The study further proves that survival rates correlate almost perfectly with economic status and degree of Anglo-Saxon genetic predominance to the point that not one “pure” white person who makes more than $250,000 per year can possibly die from the virus.

This is pure genius.

nwieder—if you could make effective, safe, vaccines, and, stop putting mercury in them to save money, maybe more people would vaccinate…but, anything to save money. Thats the US medical ‘system”, which is the opposite of the envy of the world, unless youre Dick Cheney…’‘that must be why you take it so personally. its your profit.

nwieder,

If you “immunized” your child then you have already given the virus to that child. So why don’t keep your contaminated, experimental petri dish away from other children? I can’t believe that you would subject an innocent to these filthy toxins.

Or better yet, why don’t you just DONATE THEM to the cause you so much believe in? They are always looking for new experimental subjects such as, the military, prisoners, black people, gay people, old people, children of stupid people and, of course, self-inflicted epidemics. Oh, excuse me, you have already done so by putting them in the vaccine factory of the public schools, where they have no rights to refuse.

Here’s a little truth for you if you choose to open your mind for the sake of your children… (from Prison Planet today)

“There are some factors that suggest the swine flu killing people in Mexico may be a biological weapon, but obviously no such conclusion can be drawn at this time. The World Health Organization and the U.S. government have been quick to deny such claims.

“The swine flu virus is described as a completely new strain, an intercontinental mixture of human, avian and swine viruses. Tellingly, there have been no reported A-H1N1 infections of pigs.

“According to a source known to former NSA official Wayne Madsen, “A top scientist for the United Nations, who has examined the outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus in Africa, as well as HIV/AIDS victims, concluded that H1N1 possesses certain transmission “vectors” that suggest that the new flu strain has been genetically-manufactured as a military biological warfare weapon.
Madsen claims that his source, and another in Indonesia, “Are convinced that the current outbreak of a new strain of swine flu in Mexico and some parts of the United States is the result of the introduction of a human-engineered pathogen that could result in a widespread global pandemic, with potentially catastrophic consequences for domestic and international travel and commerce.”

“Fort Detrick, the U.S. Army Medical Command installation that was the source of the 2001 anthrax attacks, is again attracting suspicion in light of the swine flu panic after it was revealed that criminal investigators are probing whether virus samples recently went missing from its biolabs.

“In February, USAMRIID halted their work when virus samples were discovered that were not listed in its inventory. Criminal investigators from the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Division unit at Fort Meade are now probing whether virus samples are missing from the Army’s top biolab, which also studies pathogens including ebola, anthrax and plague.

“Obviously, in light of the current swine flu scare, and the new strain’s possible synthetic origin, the fact that virus samples may have gone missing from the same Army research lab from which the 2001 anthrax strain was released is extremely disturbing.

Why don’t you check out the facts yourself? These are the people you are trusting for the health of you and yours. If you are handling vaccines and administering them to innocent people, its only responsible to inform yourself of other possibilities…

Why is that pig so cute…

nwieder—surely you know that OPINIONS are not based on DATA…

“Why are you reluctant to do the heavy lifting of actually looking at the data before giving an opinion?’

Umm, how much stock do you have in Roche? You seem to be taking this very personally..physician in this countries are the highest paid in the world and their track record on preventing pandemics and lengthening lifespan stinks, so I would get off of my high horse if I were you.

MaYbe if people werent so afraid of going to a dr when they are sick, due to cost, it might have stayed put…

“doctors” dont seem to have a clue—so whats the “data” , doc?

“Chinese hamster ovary cells”
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Yum, yum!

Didn’t you leave out the Chinese MALE hamster ovary cells??

Here’s the other half of the list…
Influenza A virus hemagglutinin
Influenza B virus hemagglutinin
Influenzae polysaccharides
Iron oxide red ci77491
Iron oxide yellow ci77492
Isotonic phosphate buffered saline
Isotonic saline
Isotonic sodium chloride solution
Kanamycin (antibiotic)
L-alanine
L-histidine hydrochloride
Lactose
Latex
Lecithin
Lipoprotein OspA
Liquid light paraffin
M phosphate- buffered saline
Magnesium chloride hexahydrate
Magnesium stearate
Magnesium sulfate
Mannitol
Marcol 82 (R)
Medium 199
Meningococcal Group C oligosaccharide
Meningococcal group C polysaccharide
Meningococcal polysaccharide serogroup Y
Meningococcal polysaccharides W135
Mercurius solubilis
Mercury
Mertiolyat
MF59
Mineral oil
Mineral salts
Minimum Essential Medium
Monopotassium glutamate
Monopotassium phosphate
Monosodium Glutamate (MSG)
Monosodium phosphate
Montanide 80 (R)
Mouse brain cells
Neisseria meningitides OMPC
Neomycin
Neomycin sulphate
Nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide
Octoxynol-10
Ovalbumin (egg)
Pertactin
Pertussis toxin
Pertussis Toxoid
Phenol
Phospholipids lecithin
Pneumococcal Polysaccharide(s)
Polyalcohols
Polydimethylsiloxane
Polyethylene glycol
Polygeline
Polymyxin B
Polyoxidonium
Polyribosylribitol phosphate
Polysorbate 20
Polysorbate 80
Potassium chloride
Potassium dehydrogenate phosphate
Potassium dihydrogen phosphate
Potassium diphosphate
Potassium glutamate
Potassium monophosphate
Potassium phosphate
Potassium phosphate- monobasic
Protein contaminants
Protein hydrolysate
Rabies antigen
Rabies: Human Immunoglobulin Antibodies
Recombinant HBsAg protein
Saline solution
Salmonella Typhi bacteria
Silicon
Sodium acetate
Sodium bicarbonate
Sodium Borate
Sodium carbonate
Sodium chloride
Sodium citrate
Sodium deoxycholate
Sodium dihydrogen phosphate dehydrate
Sodium EDTA
Sodium hydrogen carbonate
Sodium hydroxide
Sodium phosphate
Sodium phosphate- dibasic anhydrous
Sodium phosphate-dibasic dodecahydrate
Sodium phosphate-monobasic
Sodium taurodeoxycholate
Sodium tetraborate decahydrate
Sorbitane mono-oleate
Sorbitol
Soy peptone
Soy protein
Squalene
Stopper vial may contain dry latex rubber
Streptomycin
Succinic Acid
Sucrose
Superficial glycoproteins (gemagglutinin and neyroamynidasa)
Tetanus
Tetanus formoltoxoid
Tetanus protein
Tetanus toxin
Tetanus toxoid
Thimerosal
Titanium dioxide
Tri(n)butylphosphate
Triton N101
Triton X-100
Trometamol
Tryspin
Vibrio polysaccharide antigen
Virus: Coxiella burnetii organisms, killed
Virus: Hepatitis A
Virus: Hepatitis B
Virus: Human papillomavirus (denatured) (HPV)
Virus: Inactivated whole avian influenza
Virus: Influenza
Virus: Influenza virus antigens
Virus: Japanese encephalitis (JE)
Virus: Measles
Virus: Mumps
Virus: polio
Virus: Rabies
Virus: Respiratory Syncitial Virus (RSV)
Virus: Rotavirus (live, attenuated)
Virus: Rubella
Virus: SV40
Virus: Vaccinia (smallpox)
Virus: Varicella (chickenpox)
Virus: Yellow fever
Xanthan gum
Yeast
Yeast extract

Maybe, as a physician you are too lazy to do research or you want the “blinders’ on. This is what parents are upset about. Check here to read the side effects, which are scarier even than this list.

http://www.novaccine.com/reactions-conditions/

“Wow! A lot of paranoid conspiracy thoughts going on here. As a physician I sometimes wonder…”

I would say, WOW, WHAT A STUPID PHYSICIAN THAT WILL GIVE A VACCINE TO HIS CHILDREN THAT INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING: (Many of these substances are waste products, like aluminum, to which the corporations needed a market to sell their toxic waste instead of disposing of it safely)

Acetic acid
Acid hydrolysate (casein)
African green monkey kidney cells
alcohol
alpha-tocopheryl
Aluminum
Aluminum adjuvant
Aluminum hydroxide
Aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate
Aluminum oxide
Aluminum phosphate
Aluminum potassium sulfate
Amino acids
Aminoglycoside (antibiotic)
Ammonium sulfate
Amphotericin B
Anhydrous disodium phosphate
Arum triphyllum
AS04C containing 3-O-desacyl-4- monophosphoryl lipid A
Ascorbic acid
Aspartame
Bacillus anthracis
Belladonna
Benzethonium chloride
Beta-propiolactone
Boric acid
Bovine (cow) serum
Calcium carbonate
Calcium chloride
Casamino acids (casein)
Cephalin (antibiotic)
Chick embryo cells
Chinese hamster ovary cells
Chlortetracycline hydrochloride
Cholera virus
Dehydrate sodium hydrogen phosphate
Dextran
Dextrose
Dibutyl phthalate
Diethyl phthalate
Diethylether
Diphtheria CRM197 protein
Diphtheria formoltoxoid
Diphtheria toxoid
Disodium dehydrogenate phosphate
Disodium edentate (EDTA)
Disodium phosphate dehydrate
Dog kidney cells
Dulbecco’s Modified Eagle Medium
Egg protein
Erythromycin (antibiotic)
Ethylene glycol
Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (EDTA)
Fatty-acid ester-based antifoam
Ferrum phosphoricum
Fetuin
Filamentous hemagglutinin (FHA)
Formaldehyde
Formalin
Galactose
Gelatin
Gentamicin Sulfate
Glutamate
Glutaraldehyde
Glycerine
Glycine
Glycol p-isooctylphenyl ether
Haemophilus influenzae B
Hemagglutinin culture flu viruses of type A(H1N1), A(H3N2)
Hemin chloride
Hexadecyltrimethylammonium bromide
Histidine
HPV-16 L1 protein
HPV-18 L1 protein
Human albumin
Human cell Line: PER C6
Human diploid cells (WI-38)
Human Diploid cells: MRC5 proteins
Hydrochloric acid
Hydrocortisone
Hydrogen succinate
Hydroxypropyl methycellulose phthalate

Also, I’ve been sneezing out bacon bits——-is that swine flu?!

Let’s see ordinary run-of-the-mill flu kills about 35,000 in the US.  So when swine-hybrid flu reaches a kill of say 10,000, then call me; otherwise “YAWN!”

I’ve got a much more serious question than these conspiracy pipedreams.

Why is there a picture of a cute little piggy on this thread when there should be a picture of REAL swine:
Dick Cheney or Rush Limbaugh.

Nwieder, we conspiracy theorists don’t consider statistics compiled by “scientists” who were educated at universities that get money from big pharma, did their research on grants from big pharma, and either work for corporations or are themselves incorporated, to be “verifiable data.”

We’ve been taken in too many times by drugs that were supposed to help and did more harm, sometimes resulting in children born without arms and sometimes resulting in deaths before the drugs that were marketed based on “verifiable data” were taken off the market.

Have you ever watched the video, The Corporation?

Corporations have a fiduciary duty to maximize profits to their stockholders. If a cost/benefit analysis determines that it is more profitable to market something that kills people and defend against any resulting lawsuits, than to take it off the market, it will be marketed as long as possible.

Black letter business law really is “verifiable data.” Scientific studies funded by corporations are not.

Why does Rumsfeld have to live?

Big pharma bullshit,and a man made disease.  I’m 60 years old and I have not had the flu or a cold in over 25 years.Eat the right foods, don’t take pharmaceuticals. Myself I take 10,000mg a day of powered vitamin c and a host of other vitamins.And I do not get sick. This country is suffering from mass neurosis induced by the control media. So grab your placebo mask in hide in the closet.Good little sheep

Well, Gilead Sciences are the ones who actually came up with the drug and Roche markets it. What’s interesting is Rummy was chair of the board of directors at Gilead until he went to work for Bush. I probably saw him at one of the get togethers as a kid and never realized it. I’m sure he still holds plenty of shares in the company.

No offense taken Kdelphi, I myself seem to do better when I recover the old-fashioned way.

Please remember that it is “regular flu season”, too. my sister says that university students have it(regular flu) in hoardes…its really hard to know what’s what…I know that Roche—-maker of Tamiflu—stock is way up. How many in govt are invested in Roche?

NO offense, Russian Paul, but Tamiflu made me sick as a dog! But, I am allergic to many antibiotics, also, and some other allergies. I’ll bet that business, is good, just like it was with Cipro after the “anthrax attacks”—-we later find out that Rummy was heavily invested in one of the companies that made Cipro.

Louise—we agree once again!! lol..I told you we agreed more often than not..well, maybe .. This one is spot on. Weapons of mass distraction…

Don’t expect “Tamiflu” to be of any help. I doubt if there are any vaccines capable of holding down this four headed chimaera. It smacks of a manufactured virus with so many genomes from so many places in one is unusual if not unknown till now.

Remember back during the last ten years where one of the scenarios given was where hot zone areas were closed down from cities to whole states if need be as a protective measure? Part of FEMA which is in Homeland Security. This may include fielding not just National Guard but also regular military to lock down the boarder. One of the threats to our rights with these “protections” to us. Watch and wait and keep your hands clean!

If you’re over 40, you’ve seen the “swine flu” routine before. It came out of the blue. The government created hysteria over it and tried to herd everyone into mandatory vaccinations.

Swine Flu: Bringing Home the Bacon: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/04/swine-flu-bringing-home-bacon

The vaccinations killed and disabled numerous people before they were discontinued. But along the way, Big Pharma made BILLIONS of dollars from the manufacturing of those “mandatory vaccinations” which, as I recall had an interesting connection to this guy named Donald Rumsfeld.

Rummy, Aspartame And Swine Flu: http://www.rense.com/general68/page.htm

Here’s some material about ANOTHER government/media created hysteria-hoax, avian bird flu. The mechanics are the same.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/609.html

By the way, isn’t it interesting we now have a brand new “panic” to take our minds off criminal prosecution of Bush Torture?

Just a coincidence, right? Right ....

Google Smithfield and swine flu.  I know that there are a couple of articles up about (links not handy to share, sorry).

Seems that this may well have begun at a Mexican pig “farm”, and most of the deaths have been from the area around the CAFO with it’s rivers of shit and swarms of flies.  The local population has been complaining of respiratory illness for some time and asking for investigations of the American meat giant.  They get nada.

You know that the MSM won’t talk about the very possible complicity of a major American corporation and its unsafe practices.

It’s funny, one of my relatives was one of the scientists who helped create Tamiflu for Gilead Sciences. I should ask him how business is.

I am a bit concerned about what the information about this outbreak from the MSM really means. The seriousness of it should not be downplayed but I am very skeptical about how the msm will handle this, meaning, ‘do what they can to scare the hell out of people’. What the health sec. has done is most likely correct:
““Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, at a Washington news conference, called the emergency declaration “standard operating procedure,” and said she would rather call it a “declaration of emergency preparedness.””
Another aspect is the possible use of this for another play of ‘disaster capitalism’. This could be anything from mandantory inspections or inoculations to new laws that will invade the ‘regular’ people’s lives even more. Whatever plays out, if this is handled the same way as Katrina hitting New Orleans was, we should be outraged at the least. And the msm should be held under as much scrutiny as the government should be.