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Ear to the Ground

15 or Not, Alleged Pirate Will Be Tried as Adult

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Posted on Apr 21, 2009
AP photo / Elizabeth Williams

In this New York courtroom sketch, piracy suspect Abdiwali Abdiqadir Muse cries as the judge asks his lawyer about Muse’s family and age.

Whether or not Abduwali Abukhadir Muse is 15, as his father claims, he will be tried in New York as an adult for his alleged role in holding an American ship captain as a hostage. Muse’s mother, on the other side of the world, has asked President Obama for mercy, or to at least let her be with her son.

In what could be the first U.S. piracy case in 100 years, the judge ruled that Muse’s father was not credible in determining his son’s age.

Washington Post:

A court-appointed attorney said Muse’s father gave his birthday as Nov. 20, 1993, which would make him 15. But prosecutors have said Muse has told them he is of majority age, which would exempt prosecutors from extra legal steps to try him in an American court.

Magistrate Judge Andrew J. Peck said in court Tuesday afternoon that he spoke to the defendant’s father in Somalia by telephone through an interpreter and determined that the father is not a credible witness. The judge ruled that Muse is of majority age and thus can be tried as an adult.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 23 at 5:45 pm #

Yet again, “The Contingent” are apologists for criminals.
1) The FATHER claims his son is 15 knowing that in the US 15 usually means “child” and family court—but FolkTruther believes the guy is telling the truth, even tho the son says he’s 18.
2) The hijacked ship’s crew all insists this guy was the ringleader.
3) Piracy is now…justifiable in FolkTruther’s twisted logic.
4) To FolkTruther, an 18 year old pirate with a Kalishnikov held to an unarmed seaman is a hero, but an 18 year old soldier with am M-16 held on a civilian Iraqi or Afghani is a war criminal.

TC is plain, old f***ed up.

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By thebeerdoctor, April 23 at 6:01 am #

re: scorpionnet

Perhaps you feel better if an 18 year old American holds an automatic AR-15 at an unarmed Iraqi citizen’s head?

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By DWIGHTBAKER, April 22 at 7:16 pm #

When will we ever learn?

The CIA and Nancy Grace and Fox News and Glenn Beck are paid big bucks to bring smoke to about any thing when behind the scenes the fires of our society are raging, Oh I forget MSNBC——CNN—- GOSH I GUESS THE WHOLE BUNCH

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By Jim Yell, April 22 at 6:53 pm #
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Holding a 15 year old or 16 year old as an adult is certainly questionable. Factorinig in the ignorance of the masses of people in Somalia and the poverty, which may or may not be increased by the highjacking of Somalia’s fisheries by international fish piracy, should the American People be spending their tax money on prosecuting this child.

While criminals like Bush and Cheney can walk after lying the country into a war costing 100,000s Iraqi lives and thousands of American lives, how can a 15 year old be held accountable for something he was moved into doing by adults? Bush and Cheney and their enablers have bankrupted the country and we are supposed to believe that they are too important to prosecute, but a 15 year old should be in the slammer. I suppose the 15 year old should have killed some one and then perhaps he too would be free from prosecution.

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By JNagarya, April 22 at 4:20 pm #
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“Scorpionet”—

How do you know there wasn’t a gun pointed at the kid REQUIRING him to point the gun they gave him at the hostage?

The laws prohibiting TORTURE are ALSO international, and apply to ALL countries, including the US.

You aren’t REALLY for enforcement of international law, ARE you?

Nor are you REALLY for knowing what you’re talking about before opening your bravous Keyboard Kommando yap from the safety of your bedroom.

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By Folktruther, April 22 at 12:11 pm #

Scorpionnet, Thank you for your post.  I did’nt know that left wing lawyers chased fire trucks before.  What the rest of us our concerned with is the barbarism of treating the alledged crimes of children as if they were adults. This includes the crimes of child soldiers, of which there are many in Africa.

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By Scorpionet, April 22 at 11:29 am #

When you are photographed carrying a fully loaded Kalashikov AK-47 military grade fully automatic assault rifle pointing at an unarmed civilian held hostage in the international high seas you get charged with INTERNATIONAL piracy, a law universal to all countries. You go to jail! This is no monopoly game. What is it that pirate supporters at Truthdig and those firetruck-chasing left-wing lawyers don’t get?

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By voice of truth, April 22 at 11:27 am #

ironically, the same people who posted this story, with comments about how can we not believe this kid’s father and mother that he is a great kid and is only 15, are the same people who posted a story about the Craigslist killer and the implication that the people who knew this man really didn’t know him and should be ignored.

The hypocrisy on this site continues….

And Dwightbaker, the pharmacy called, your lithium is ready.

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By thebeerdoctor, April 22 at 11:04 am #

Speaking of pirates mates, here’s your grog:
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175062/john_feffer_the_piracy_problem

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By NYCartist, April 22 at 8:48 am #

My thinking mirrors the start of Squeaky Jones’ comment.  I was wondering if the 15 year old has been or will be tortured?  What does that say about the US justice system?  Adding on to another comment, about 15 year olds who were judged guilty of crimes who are on death row as adults.  Also, there are kids who were judged “guilty” for crimes as teens who can/are receiving life sentences.  That’s “not supposed to be”. The law excludes children from adult judicial pathways.

Even the age is “flexible” by a judge and who is an adult in recent years.  Our prisons are full based on injustice of many kinds.

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By DWIGHTBAKER, April 22 at 7:16 am #

PIRATES—-SMOKE SMOKE ALL AROUND WHILE HIGH THEFT IS GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES
WHERE THE REAL FIRES OF GRAND LARCENY IS RAGING.

FOR SOME THE DAY-TO-DAY POLITICAL GAME
WE ALL SEEM TO PLAY TAKES A TOLL ON ALL

WHAT SEEMS MISSING IS THE TRUTH


The Robber Barons planed their moves to cheat lie steal and kill the American People decades ago. As seen today—-many sit back and say foolishly gosh what went wrong?

Then many others in the MEDIA VIEWS begin to mumble some untenable bunch of hogwash and at the end of the day WE THE PEOPLE are more confused than before they began to speak.

However many in America in the white collar working class joined ranks with the Robber Barons when they began to play poker with them on Wall Street.  But to most dismal surprise the little bottom feeders have no way of getting much other than 2-3-4-9-8 in their hands. While the Robber Barons keep turning over Aces, Kings, Straight Flushes etc. WHY they have the cards marked.

So to the point at hand boldly as I can tell—- these terrors in horrors from the BUSH BUNCH MORONS were planned decades ago and their moves to mark the cards where all would loose but them has been planned out to the ‘T’.  It all began when the CIA was created and Yale University was used to train the train robbers for the OLD LINE OF ROBBER BARONS. And since the creation of the SKULL and BONES secret society all has been going according to plans.
John Simkin (BA, MA, MPhil) Author and creator of SPARTACUS

CIA ROLE IN TAKING AMERICA APART FOR THE ROBBER BARONS
CIA OPERATIVE David Sanchez Morales was born on 26th August 1925

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmorales.htm

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http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CIAmorales.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/author.htm

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By DWIGHTBAKER, April 22 at 7:11 am #

PIRATES GET A LIFE CIA

WE HAVE BEEN SEEING SMOKE ——MAYBE CIA SMOKE
WHAT HAS PRESIDENT OBAMA AND CREW BEEN DOING
WHILE THE REAL FIRES HAVE BEEN RAGING?


We must in an effort hurriedly stop being as mundane morose morons and take on the right and just tasks of changing one vital missing step in our current democratic process by adding a true voice of WE THE PEOPLE in having and supporting our own lobby in Washington DC.

Now for those what want to know the truth beyond a shadow of doubt click on the site below and you will——- if sane will want to SHOUT OUT. 

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By DWIGHTBAKER, April 22 at 7:09 am #

MY TAKE ON PIRATES

For years in the OLD West, the lawless like to rob stagecoaches, then the driver always took along a man they called riding SHOT GUN to watch the drivers back.

The other matter is that a Captain at sea is the highest authority of over any other. 

Now think about pirates from Somalia and what they do when, why and how, and then ask yourself the question who is watching out for all? 

Where is that man they called riding SHOT GUN, where are the captains that take on the call to protect all no matter what harm might come to the lawless?

So in these cases of Pirates running rough shod over these giant ships at sea maybe it might just be one more plot laid out to cause Americans to FEAR.

So is that a conspiracy theory NO JUST COMMON SENSE AND REASON GONE AWRY.

Dwight Baker We The Peoples Advocacy WTPA

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By Folktruther, April 21 at 10:48 pm #

The barbarism of the US criminal system is beyond dispute.  There are two dozen persons incarcerated for life without parole who alledging committed crimes when they were under 15 years old.

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By Jo, April 21 at 9:01 pm #
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Seriously, do they really think this kid was the ringleader of the pirates who seized the captain’s ship? I’m appalled by the treatment this kid is going through. With the atrocity that the west is committing in Somalian waters and what the US did during the Somalian civil war, I just can’t stand this kind of injustice. This angers me very much.

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By squeaky jones, April 21 at 8:31 pm #
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Who else knows you better then your own Mom, and Dad. I have a strong feeling this kid has been ruffed up(tortured) already. Also, I like Mr. Fish’s cartoon, “One Mans Piracy” of the difference between somalian piracy and American piracy? Inc. Squeaky.

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By geronimo, April 21 at 8:27 pm #
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President Barack Hussein Obama Should Pardon Abdiwali Abdiqadir Muse

“Based on?”

“A greater good.”

“Which is?”

“Peace on earth and goodwill to all living beings.”

“Brought about how?”

“Actions by our government which show the world that there’s been a complete turnabout in our relations with the rest of the world.”

“What will be the quid pro quo?”

“And end to piracy in that region.”

“Anything else?”

“President Obama reassigns the U.S. Naval vessels now engaged in countering piracy to the task of tracking down and chasing away any and all foreign ships which are carrying out unauthorized fishing or polluting the waters off the coast of Somalia.”

“The reason being?”

“It’s the decimation of Somalia’s fishing industry that’s driving its young men into piracy.”

“And the effect said pardoning will have upon U.S. relations with the Arab/Islamic nations?”

“Breathtaking.”

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