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Flogging of 17-Year-Old Pakistani Girl Raises Outrage

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Posted on Apr 4, 2009
Lahore protest
dailytimes.com.pk

Hundreds of Pakistanis in Lahore marched Saturday to protest against terrorism after the flogging video was circulated in the media.

The public lashing of a 17-year-old girl named Chand in Pakistan’s Swat Valley became the catalyst for countrywide protests on Saturday after a video of the flogging made its way around the Internet. A spokesman for the local Tahreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) claimed the video was fake and that the actual incident happened outside of Swat but defended the punishment as just.

The Hindu:

In Lahore and Karachi, and in Peshawar too, a large number of people turned out to protest the flogging, describing it as a shame on Pakistan, on Islam and on Pashtuns. A day after it first surfaced on television screens, it was still being shown repeatedly by all television channels.

Apparently taken aback by the revulsion from all corners of the country, the Swat Taliban, who confirmed the flogging on Friday, are now saying the incident seen in the video took place outside Swat. Swat Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan called a press conference where he denounced the video as a conspiracy by “foreign forces” to malign the Taliban and Pakistan. For the first time, he allowed cameras to show his face.

He vowed that the Taliban would hunt down and punish those who had filmed the incident and distributed it “at the behest of some foreign NGOs”.

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By truthseeker, April 7, 2009 at 4:46 pm Link to this comment
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FYI-The flogging was done b/c she was found to be in the company of a man that wasn’t her husband or relative.

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By boggs, April 7, 2009 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

The hyprocracy of american outrage makes me laugh.
Come on guys, we go around the world blowing innocent citizens into hamburger. We don’t play favoritism, we include the youngest babies, the mothers, the grandmothers and grandfathers. We do all this to be sure that some little country doesn’t impose Communism on us. What a chuckle. What’s even funnier is that our propaganda pushing politicians and media actually get so many of you to fall for their line of BS. It happened to be WMD with Iraq, but the point is they use obviously laughable agendas to work up the fear of the american citizenry.
Who has to dumb us down?

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By Leefeller, April 7, 2009 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

We know this is a ruse, just to get people riled up, they would never do things like that back in Kansas. All the stories we hear are lies, the other half are BS. Just because you see it, does not mean it really happened or that it would ever happen?

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By Michelle Lee Ann, April 7, 2009 at 6:55 am Link to this comment

I am truly disgusted and outraged. It should be immediately apparent to anyone with any shread of decency why. Does anyone know of any source where you can get involved to help this girl specificially, and others like her in general?

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By curtis, April 6, 2009 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment
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How nostalgic.  Just like old Salem.  When girls sexually refused or somehow made the males in charge feel like the lessers that they are, the lessers persecuted the girls with extreme brutality.  Exactly how often this happened we will never know, however, judging by the nature of the types of males who run puritanical societies, it is obvious that their brutality against women and girls smart enough not to want them has been abundant throughout history.  It is time for people to forever look upon the moral authority of such weak minded males with disdain under all circumstances.

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By Brooks, April 6, 2009 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment

I saw video that said she was punished for misbehavior. lol Misbehavior. I also saw they posted having sex without being married was justification for being flogged. I also read something that she was flogged for not marrying the Taliban commander.

Since this is dealing with an Honor society we will never know. You would think it would be an honor to post your name as the one who beat her. Such an honor to smack a girl held down.

Alla must be proud. Proud little gud, having Islam turn men into boys.

There is no honor in beating girls, or Islam.

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By Leefeller, April 6, 2009 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

Women and girls are asking to be raped, by not following the rules, how they dress and act. Rape seems to be have become popular sport in Europe for Somali refugees. Though they may not be Muslims, the superior male sindrom is from the area and carried into their new nesting places, little respect for the laws of their new homes?

Attitudes like “Oh well, she was asking for it” seem commonplace.

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By Bill Blackolive, April 6, 2009 at 8:25 am Link to this comment
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But these are not “manly men.” They know it. They are butthole buddies.  Their society is in its ways schizoid, as the US society in its ways.

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By truthseeker7771, April 5, 2009 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment

Consider why Muslim Khan would want to hunt down and punish those who filmed and distributed this incident. Hmmmmmmm. How can anyone read those words and still defend them? Do I really need to list anything? Everyone is entitled to their own belief system, but no one has the right to impose that system on anyone else, which is part and parcel of the Taliban and the ideology they hold. Taliban anyone? Thanks, but I’m on a diet.

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By David From Louisiana, April 5, 2009 at 3:43 pm Link to this comment
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Muslim Khan says they will hunt down and punish those who filmed and released this footage. Hmmmmmm. If they truly feel that their ideas concerning the way a society should be governed were just, why would anyone have a problem with the light being shed on this incident. Anything that requires the cover of darkness, is done with the knowledge that it must be wrong. This incident and Khan’s subsequent statement, along with his misplaced anger, is an obvious example of this.

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By tshirt-doctor, April 5, 2009 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment

i wish women (not the political kind) would be in control of all the worlds governments.  lets give them a chance.  god (haha) knows they can’t be as bad as men running this world.

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By M. Currey, April 5, 2009 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment
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What is really amazing is woman have to cover up because men cannot contain themselves if they see a bare wrist or ankle.  Woman on the other hand have to adust to the man because he is the one who drives the woman around because she surely cannot drive with all that extra clothes, and I am sure that wearing a Berka would inhibit the ability to drive.

I find it ironic that you hear of woman being punished more than men.  Of course woman commited the first sin so she must pay.

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By WykydRed, April 5, 2009 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment

Ah Skulz, “western civilization” isn’t free of this idiocy. Forget the stupidity the men here engage in so freely during what they like to term “war times”, just watch one hour of COPS sometime. Western governments have learned to perform their atrocities under cover. The brutality men in the West get away with every day is just as atrocious only they don’t need a g-d to blame it on. “I’m a MAN, that’s why I did it. She’s MY property.” The brutality on children here is usually put down to Sunday School. It’s religion. Any religion. Only the religious never see or admit to their own atrocities because they’re just “doin’ what god wants”. Cheney is convinced god loves him for everything he’s done. The Shrub is still convinced god made him a president because the world needed a savior. The military here is overloaded with godders who believe (thanks to their parents and their bible thumping) that only X-tians need to be in the world because they’re the only ones who make “fair” laws. Britain allows Shia courts and now so does Canada from what I hear because these governments don’t want to look like “bullies”. Bullshit. If someone comes to your country to live, they live by YOUR rules, just like every other country in the world insists if you go to their countries. It’s a gigantic mess everywhere. So yeah, speak out against it! In every form it happens. Won’t stop it or cure it, but when you shine the light on the spiderweb, eventually, that eight-legged little booger has to come out and show itself. Personally, I’m hoping Spain rips the crap out of our atrocity comitters and drags them into the light. They used Nazi methods all the way through and I’d like to see them ALL hung on the White House lawn with piano wire, down to the town mayors and Committee members.

People do horrendous things in the name of god, county and patriotism… Let’s hope reckonings are coming everywhere.

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By skulz fontaine, April 5, 2009 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

Pot, kettle, black! Western “civilized” nations WOULD NEVER countenance such barbarity. Nope. Western “civilized” nations ALWAYS rendition, detain, then torture. Oh yeah, that ‘rendition, detention, and torture motif IS practiced by those “manly men.” Yup!

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By photoshock, April 5, 2009 at 7:02 am Link to this comment

This kind of behaviour from extremists like the Taleban does not surprise me in the least. Their interpretation of the Qu’ran is the most extreme of the bunch. These men do not allow women, to even be educated, travel outside their own houses without a male of their family present.
Surprisingly, the Taleban, have with the blessing of the Pakistani government taken over the governance of the Swat Valley. This area used to be known for its hospitality of Westerners and those Pakistanis on vacation. Yet since the takeover of the Swat Valley, by the TTP, the populace has become extremely
wary of strangers, unwilling to act as good Muslims,
and should you break their laws without the knowledge
of their laws you too would be punished under the same guidelines.
As far as I could throw them, the TTP, would not have
my sympathy in anything that occurred to the them.
They are a bunch of thugs, tribal all, masquerading as religious people. This is not the Qu’ran that I know of, one of peace and inner struggle against the tide of consumerism and the pathology of inner discomfort that trying to keep up with the ‘Jones’ causes. Contentment and inner peace are the hallmarks
of a person who, has followed the true path of Islam.
Yet here we have the prime example of an article of ‘faith’ gone awry. This not only happens in Islam, but check the Far Right Wing Nut section of the Christian faith. They are not too far away from the Taleban’s opinions about many things.
Would to G-d, that all men, and women, found the true
and living examples of their faiths highest and best.
For then, they would see, that these examples of bestiality and cruelty are nothing more than an expression of man’s desire to control and dominate the women they have been lovingly given by G-d, whomever she is.

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By Miriam Song, April 5, 2009 at 6:47 am Link to this comment
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I can’t find any reference to what the punishment was for.  What did the girl do?

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By thebeerdoctor, April 5, 2009 at 5:45 am Link to this comment

Perhaps I am naive, but I always thought that one of the true western values has been, and continues to be, the advancement of equality for women. This is something that is so utterly foreign to the primitive adherents of the desert god religions, where from the Jews we hear: “women is the origin of sin, through her we all die” to the Christian “brides of Christ” who cheerfully obey, to the recent adaptation of Sharia law in Pakistan, which tells women, when your husband wants that sweet thang, you got to give it up girl, willingly and joyfully.
How long must women endure this nonsense?

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By WykydRed, April 4, 2009 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment

Oh, big hairy, manly men!

What does not amaze me are the words being chosen by the press. She is 17. First “girl” is used because she isn’t legally 18? And yes, I go with girl. Then it changes to “woman”. Is this supposed to make people feel better that she’s “a grownup”? Then, the first news reports after the initial outrage claim that the beating was filmed, not recently, but “several months ago” and then “almost a year ago”. Oh good. This unspecified time date totally negates the whole atrocity thing…

Amazing that we’ve gotten so politically correct that people seem terrified to speak out against people and societies that cheer on this sort of behavior and believe that it is some god-given right of anything with testicles to beat the living shit out of anyone without testicles in order to preserve the “righteousness” of male-only importance in this world.

Nice to have an enemy to focus on as well. “It’s the TALIBAN!” No, it’s “men” who believe Islam and Shia grant them this right. It’s inhuman, Dark Ages pieces of crap who demand all the rights in the world growing up convinced by their fathers that “women are nothing” and garbage that must be kept in the house—or taken out of photographs lest some poor hardliner learns that a female escaped her cage and might actually be walking around writing or something!

When exactly does speaking out against atrocity and calling religious freaks who never evolve into the present timeline become politically correct? We KNOW it’s not “all Muslims” okay? It’s not “all Christians” either. But it’s time to throw away the soft language in all cases and call pieces of garbage what they are and call their atrocities and unhumanity what it is without being called a bigot or racist before everyone in a group is condemned for the acts of a portion of that group.

As an ex-Mormon once told me, everything horrible came out of the Middle East: Judaism, Islam, Christianity. It’s time for religious hardliners to go, whatever country, whatever name they go by and everyone else to stop being afraid to call ugly things what they are.

If this girl survived, can someone PLEASE get her out of wherever she’s hiding before these creatures go looking for her and kill her for “making a scene that besmirches Islam”?

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By tshirt-doctor, April 4, 2009 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment

there are so many manly men over there, it just amazes me.

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By bcc, April 4, 2009 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment
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TruthDig, why do you deem this as newsworthy?  I feel like I was just abused for being led on to read this article.  While not necessarily condoning the flogging of a 17 year old for it would be nice to at least mention why she recieved this punishment.  This article is worthless trash.

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By Ron Ranft, April 4, 2009 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment
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How amusing. So this Taliban has been taking lessons from other politicians around the world (did Bush just give a talk to these Taliban in Pakistan recently) where you don’t track down and punish the people guilty of violence but you find the people who exposed it. I can only surmise that they will also be flogged or worse to remind people that crimes against humanity being exposed is more important than the crime itself.

And in other News of Barbarianism The President of Afghanistan, hand picked by the Bush Administration, has signed a law denying women the right to deny her husband sex, esentially legalizing rape. And I am supposed to be willing to support our intervention and occupation of Afghanistan on behalf of Freedom and forced Democracy? I didn’t believe it when Bush tried to sell me that dead horse and I still am not buying it from Obama either!

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