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14 Killed at N.Y. Immigration Center

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Posted on Apr 3, 2009

A gunman blocked the back door to a Binghamton, N.Y., immigration office before opening fire on a citizenship class, killing 13 people and seriously wounding four others before taking his own life, according to local officials.

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Investigators said they had yet to establish a motive for the massacre, which was at least the fifth deadly mass shooting in the U.S. in the past month alone.

The attack came just after 10 a.m. at the American Civic Association, an organization that helps immigrants settle in this country. Police Chief Joseph Zikuski said the gunman parked his car against the back door, “making sure nobody could escape,” then stormed through the front, shooting two receptionists, apparently without a word.

The killer then entered a room just off the reception area and fired on a citizenship class.

“The people were trying to better themselves, trying to become citizens,” the police chief said.

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By jw32181, April 8 at 9:58 pm #

There needs to be tougher gun legislation.  I think that people should be given thorough mental health evaluations before they’re able to buy a gun.

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By samosamo, April 7 at 9:17 pm #

There were 4 kids found dead in alabama today.

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By .270WSM, April 7 at 11:07 am #
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You mean to say the 40 year old chickens of Vietnam are just getting here? What, are they walking via Antarctica ?! And who said anything about disturbed soldiers coming home? Don’t guise your attempts to slander service men and women by referencing them in the same breath as those bitter, unraveled, girl whipping assholes.

Never mind that they squander what is life’s greatest (and only) gift to them in the form of wives, mothers or daughters who instinctively care for and nurture them DESPITE the end result of barbaric treatment from the vipers nursed at their busoms who grew into men that would suggest or organize stonings or whippings for them. Freak city.

Like the demented, cowardly scumbags guilty of the heinous attacks here in
‘Great Democracy’ land, those stone-age s**tbirds are anomalies or they should be, and likewise few will mourn when they are dust.

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By Fadel Abdallah, April 6 at 10:35 pm #

After just reading the titles to two articles, following each other, as the “most read” on Truthdig, I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry!

Is the “Flogging of a 17-Year-Old Pakistani Girl Raises Outrage,” in a far away land, as equivalent and newsworthy as “14 Killed at New York Immigration Center”?! Or for that matter, is the “Flogging” story as serious and newsworthy as the killing of over fifty people in different shootings, just in one week,in different places of our “great democracy” of the USA?!

Since the perpetrator of the New York Immigration Center killings turned out to be of Vietnamese background, isn’t this a case of chickens coming home to roost?! How many other mentally disturbed soldiers will be coming home to roost from Iraq, Afghanistan and Israel/Palestine?! And how many others will be rising from the rubble of the economic ruins and coming home to roost! It seems that the fifty or so killed last week is just the tip of the iceberg!

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By .270WSM, April 6 at 4:51 pm #
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Aye, guns kill people.. and cars make you drive drunk laddies!

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By Virginia777, April 6 at 4:09 pm #

There is so much reactionary hatred of Mexicans on the internet, its really disgusting!!

this is the result of that.

Regulate the Internet!

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By Inherit The Wind, April 6 at 7:26 am #

I always figured that the odds were when you NEEDED the gun, you wouldn’t have it, and if you had it, you might decide you needed it when you really didn’t.  “Ah’m gonna git mah shootin’ arn an’ teach yoo!”

How many men get p***ed off at their wife/GF leaving or whatever and kill her and the kids just to “show her!”?  Just happened the other day. 

Guns just make it too easy to kill. Any idiot can point a gun and pull the trigger—I once came a hair’s breath from having such an idiot pull the trigger—of a .38 revolver loaded with hollow-points. 

And why? I pulled out a matte-knife out of my tool belt to trim a cabinet I was installing—and I moved too quickly for the butthead and he panicked.  I’m lucky he had ENOUGH sense not to instantly fire—barely enough.  Needless to say I left THAT job in a hurry!

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By samosamo, April 6 at 1:18 am #

By Inherit The Wind, April 5 at 10:38 pm
*****The message is you never know when you’ll meet someone with a bigger gun, better gun skills, or the know-how to take it away from you*****

Well, you know, that’s life. Besides, I don’t look for a fight of any kind, I get mad as hell more than I want, but I find life easier without fights and safer without carrying guns all the time. Tools that when used and treated properly, are just as valuable as others.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 5 at 10:38 pm #

Well, they can have my gun when they pry it from my dead body.

“You can have it when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!”—Earl
“Your terms are acceptable.”—Bug monster, Men In Black.

The message is you never know when you’ll meet someone with a bigger gun, better gun skills, or the know-how to take it away from you.

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By squeaky jones, April 5 at 7:05 pm #
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Five shootings in about a months time. Watch Mike Moore’s, “Bowling For Columbine,” for some of the answers as to why. Mike nails it as to why. Squeaky.

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By PSmith, April 5 at 12:55 pm #

GEE. THANKS, NEOCONS

No job? No hope? Eleven here. Fourteen there. Five more. Pretty soon it adds up to real people.

Mad? Certainly not. This is the logical result of Ne0c0n class war. They make you superfluous. Then the benefits run out. Then it is sink or swim. And some sink.

Except that in Europe they don’t. There is a social welfare safety net.

Time to organize, or develop a very deaf ear. Because this is just the very start of the despair and the desperation.

No banker left behind. - http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090331_in_for_a_penny_in_for_298_trillion/

The Exiled’s view - http://exiledonline.com/class-war-101-meet-the-reptiles-who-are-making-meat-out-of-you/

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By samosamo, April 5 at 11:37 am #

By Inherit The Wind, April 4 at 10:09 pm

Well, they can have my gun when they pry it from my dead body. And look at it this way, if someone had gun, the shooter could have been stopped without loss of life other than his or less loss of life. Or are you one of those christian evangelical nuts that think you would not protect yourself and others because you couldn’t ‘lower yourself’ to the killers level by killing him. You can give up your rights but I will fight for mine on this issue.
I am 60 years old and was taught by my father how to respect and use guns, I have used a gun to feed my self when it was a great sport to shoot game, bring it home, dress it, cook it and eat it. YOU AND A TON OF PEOPLE HAVEN’T A CLUE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF A GUN. Thus you deserve the consequences of not understanding that importance. By the way, my gun is safely(unloaded with ammunition else where)stored in my house and I feel no need to carry it.
What has happened in the last 3 days or so with several multiple deaths by derranged people, maybe could have been prevented by just a plain passerby with a gun and shot the perpetrator. And if there were no guns, what if some nut took a can of gas to house or office, poured it out and struck a match. I would say outlaw gasoline and get rid of it. rrraaazzzzzz!
Far too many people in the world, and if 10% are nuts and should not be allowed to be free, that is about 660,000,000 people that need to be locked up. You salivating at the mouth to pick the ones to lock up?

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By freeyourmind, April 5 at 10:24 am #

People, gun laws do not stop criminals from having guns. It just creates a new market for the underground. Unless you stop making these weapons they will be in the hand of criminals forever. And do you really want the police and the military to be the only ones with weapons. I’m sorry but if you would read your history this is what Hitler did to his people.Imagine if you can living in the fifties when I was in grade school, we were aloud to take our shotguns to school, we had a place in our classroom where we keep our guns and then after school we went hunting. Sometimes we went with our teachers. Can you Imagine taking a gun to school now days, ha, they would first have you arrested and then put you on 4 or 5 different types of pharmaceuticals, then you would be put in a program for years and made to fill like you have done something wrong.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 4 at 10:09 pm #

samosamo, April 4 at 8:53 pm #

Not only should we turn all our guns into the police, we should all go ahead and check into the nearest private prison. We are all pussy sheeple, we can’t stand the idea of being able to protect ourselves and we don’t need any laws or rights to do so. Just bend over the coffe table and take it.
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Yeah, to you Binghamton is just some abstract name of some small town in upstate NY, so it doesn’t matter as long as you can hang on to yer shootin’ arns

But to me it’s a real place where I lived 5 years of my life, where I walked close by that civic center 100 times.  Where YOUR lax laws allowed him to buy the guns LEGALLY that murdered 13 people just minding their own business.

Most of the people I know who are fanatical about carrying guns all the time I wouldn’t trust with a water pistol.  You need to PROVE you are capable of driving, but folks like you fight PROVING you are safe to own and carry a gun.

I’m 53 years old and have never needed a gun in my life—and I’ve even been at the wrong end of them.  I’m not against gun ownership, but I AM against unregulated gun ownership for the same reason I’m against unregulated banking.

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By samosamo, April 4 at 8:53 pm #

Not only should we turn all our guns into the police, we should all go ahead and check into the nearest private prison. We are all pussy sheeple, we can’t stand the idea of being able to protect ourselves and we don’t need any laws or rights to do so. Just bend over the coffe table and take it.

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By lester333, April 4 at 8:09 pm #

Thank you Lou Dobbs for the slaughter.  You bastard.

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By Gilbert, April 4 at 5:41 pm #
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Guns do not kill people. People do. As wise as King Solomon the argument makes sense. The right to bear arms must be upheld. For God sake though, somewhere there must be control, the automatic assault weapons must be on the hands of the law not the lawless.

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By M. Currey, April 4 at 4:44 pm #
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And there will be more desperate people doing the same as the Wong person.

The corporations that are in bed with our government could be an indirect cause, because the corporations bottom line is as much profit as possible with paying the least in taxes.

So a guy laid off at IBM was offered a job in India, looks like people might have to move to other countries to have a job, live there because the cost of living is less.

And ouf course corporations are not people and therefore have no compassion especially for the peons that work for them.  And the American people will be reduced to pesants (you know the landless people that we read about in Russia, Ireland, Scotland, etc.,etc.).

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By Eric L. Prentis, April 4 at 2:57 pm #

Republicans and the NRA make sure everyone has access to loaded guns, another senseless massacre on their heads.

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By freeyourmind, April 4 at 9:49 am #

Be careful sheeple this is all part of a plan in my opinion. Another false flag operation to get the people to give up their arms for big brother can take care of them.

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By bachu, April 4 at 2:53 am #
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It is just one of those things that people in the US have to get used to. Like the overloaded boats that capsize in Bangladesh or the buses loaded with passengers falling off in to a ravine in India,  random gun violence happens with predictable regularity. If the recent past is any indication such random acts of gun rampage are here to stay and they may not qualify as major news events in the future.

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By samosamo, April 4 at 12:41 am #

When we allow a group of criminals, in cahoots with the ‘elite’ to ravage this country’s and the world’s economies, there is bound to be destitution and hopelessness that creates any excuses for what has happened not in just the last month alone as ‘inherit the wind’ notes, but it has been happening for quite a while. Then our electorate, through appointees and themselves proceed to ‘rub each other’s backs’ at the expense of the people, just how do we justify that? We have gone to making believe that the criminals who have brought us to this disasterous state of affairs to not just be left alone but reward them with the taxpayer’s money. We allow realtors and mortgage companies to flaunt the law for their enrichment to hoodwink people into believing they too can live the american dream but signing them up for loans that are destined to break the system. I sure believe that the culprit in this latest ‘shootout at the OK corral’ was responsible for his actions and he paid for it by his own hand. But the underlying motives certainly have to be based on a society that is insane with greed for those that just take the money and all the money. That is where I can easily see where a big part of the blame can be laid. What I don’t and never will accept is that just because these financial ‘best and brightest’ are just stealing money and that they are being rewarded, they don’t think they need to be investigated and prosecuted severely for their actions and the people see that this is happening, it just gets to be to much. Hell, let them take this shooter’s way out and kill them ownselves, but at least hold them accountable. So there is the ‘reason’ and if he didn’t have a gun, he could have use a knife or an iron club or just a big bucket of gas and match after all it does take a person using the those tools to vent his rage. Just where will the buck finally stop?
Oh, the msm will never look as deep as this for some motives or triggering events as to why this happened, it will just be explained away as a kook gone wild. Or a miracle note will appear stating he was ‘really drunk at the time’ kind of BS.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 3 at 10:36 pm #

This one hits home. I lived there for 5 years in the 70’s—looks about the same. People were nice and small-town friendly then and it sounds like most of them still are. I’ve walked past that church on the corner by the civic center a hundred times.

I’m just waiting for some gun owner to tell me “Guns don’t kill, people do.”  Well one person sure did, and for no damn good reason either.  If he couldn’t get hold of a gun he wouldn’t have gone in there just stabbin’ people.

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By Anti-Nazionist, April 3 at 9:31 pm #
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O’Reilly, Limbaugh and Dobbs must be feeling proud of themselves this morning.

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