psmith
Interesting comments here, and I’m admittedly curious, since I’ve been following the appartus of the Cabal for the past 12 or so years, back to their days of the PNAC and BEFORE. Basically, the Cabal kicked into their 21st Century Era of Applied Bullshit the second Willy Clinton took office, and plotted from then on. So of course by NOW, everybody already knows this:
•  “Bush was a puppet. Cheney _is_ nearly dead. And certainly will be before he ever testifies.”
Yep, that Bush was a puppet isn’t exactly a secret, seeing as how he never even held a public office until Karl Rove got him the TX gov job, and he trashed that state as well, but nobody cared because they knew that it was just a prelude to getting th oval office. Then Cheney assigned himself as the VP running mate, and the plan was set. Eight guaranteed years of disaster, that has been even worse than what some of us realists had imagined.
HOWEVER, I suspect you might be wrong about Cheney being nearly dead. He damn sure plans to live a long time, and continuing to run the show. This is his 2nd major interview JUST SINCE the inauguration, and all of the MSM runs to cover him as if he’s still significant, because he’s made clear that he always will be.  The reality is that there are still many others from the former shadow regime who are still buried deeply within the apparatus, and I doubt seriously if they are the same ones that you claim are jumping aboard the so-called USS Obama, since we don’t have one yet. (Good idea though).
But then, maybe they are the same, we don’t know from your comment here:

•  “Particularly when the _Neocons_ are the ones responsible and while they have deserted the Republican party, far too many have found refuge on the USS Obama. Along with the Zionists of AIPAC.”
I hate to be a bore and a dummy, but I always have such a hard time verifying these claims, since nobody ever uses names or similar sources in their rhetoric. So, which “Neocons” do you think are responsible? (other than ‘the’ neocons) and which ones of them have alledgedly deserted the Repiglican party and ‘found refuge’ on the non-existent USS Obama? What kind of a ‘refuge’ might that be? Any examples?

I’m just asking because I keep trying to figure out who these neocons are, (keeping in mind who I know them to be from the gitgo..Abrams, Wolfowitz, Perle, Kristol, Libby to name a few, although we can’t technically include Rumsfeld or Cheney in the batch as actual neocons, even if they were the preplanners in the same Grand Heist, because technically they aren’t. They’re too old.

But, don’t let Cheney’s mythical bad heart give you the impression that he’s gonna kick the bucket any time soon. That doesn’t mean that he’ll testify, because it doesn’t matter how much he pays for those batteries for his organs, or how often they’re replaced, or how long his shell is still ghosting the apparatus, he’ll simply never testify. Doesn’t me we can’t try and convict him though, or that the International Court can’t do the same under the existing Geneva Conventions, whether we are in the ICC or not. (and I suspect Obama will sign us on to that quickly enough.)

But, I still don’t know of any neocons that are finding refuge on the USS Obama, so I’m hoping you’ll enlighten me, and anyone else who doesn’t know who these people are.

By PSmith, March 18 at 6:08 pm
“”“”“Particularly when the _Neocons_ are the ones responsible and while they have deserted the Republican party, far too many have found refuge on the USS Obama. Along with the Zionists of AIPAC.”“”“

I have tried to express this by questioning all those think tanks these criminals set up during nixon’s terms and that these tanks are where all the planning, developing and researching the agendas and the modes of carrying them out were done. I still see these tanks as the points of criminal activity that is treasonous to our country and the world. And I have expressed it time and again that the whole plan was about the theft of all that money wrapped up in the american economy. The neocons have done it up pretty good. Thus, in my eyes, they are well deserving of harsh penalities for the crimes they have committed to become ‘instant elites’.
And those think tanks, there is not much difference in them as with miltia groups, the KKK, aryan nation factions, neo-nazis(hell this is where they really come from), drug cartels, mafia or just any criminal organization and they deserve the scrutiny of all law enforcement. A difference is that the connections the neocons and their think tanks have are so imbedded in our country’s government and corporate world that it will be a monumental task to root them out and make them pay for their crimes. I am all for it and hope it happens soon. Oh, and poor old joseph coors was one of the earliest creators of those think tanks.
Of course the one problem with this is that these neocons have so much money that the reason we DON’T see them being treated at the criminal group that they are is they have the money to pay governments off, well, they ‘buy’ the governments which is why we don’t see any of these people being processed through the courts and incarcerated or put to death for their most devestating work that has brought much harm and destruction to the people.

Think Cheney is beginning to see that Damacles Sword swing over his neck yet? Oh don’t worry DICK we won’t execute you for all your High crimes- we have other plans for you. You’re gonna live a long time, esp sinc eyou ahve a pacemaker we can use to zap you back to life at will.
Cheney, Rummy & Wolfie (plus I’m sure someothers) have been working to destroy this Country for 40 yrs. they started in an Admin of a man who was so deluded he fancied himslef king, and moved through time to the point they were able to Crown a King George the W- ironic ah? Or actually proof of a conspiracy to commit High Treason. Executive powers that resemble the Rights and priledges of Kings & dictators, an Economic system which mirrors Feudalism leading to a 2 level cast system, influencing laws to undermine all financial, labor, constitutional and environemntal safeguards to protect ‘The People’. Thsi man and his Cohorts should be prosectued for their conspriacy against the US, and the effects it has had around the world - Treason, War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity.

By Marshall, March 18 at 3:14 am #

I think many here have already forgotten that Libby was not convicted of outing Plame, who was in fact outed by Richard Armitage.

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Actually Marshall,

We already KNOW who outed Plame -Richard B. Cheney-
and that Libby took the hit. We expected that. He was tried and convicted in a court of law, and never had to do his sentence. We didn’t forget that either.

Only Richard B Cheney has the audacity to say it wasn’t enough to let him walk away from the punishment established by the court, but that he should have been ‘pardoned’.

I think many here have already forgotten that Libby was not convicted of outing Plame, who was in fact outed by Richard Armitage.

PSmith—
Don’t think because I rank Nixon 9th worst president ever it means I think he was a standup guy.  9th worst is because the other 8 were really el stinko in their own times.  Even Warren G. Harding, generally acknowledged as the worst 20th century president (until Nixon) doesn’t make it there.

But Reagan REALLY started us on the road to deregulation, massive deficits and SCALIA! (who made Rehnquist look like a liberal—or at least a moderate).

And, bad as Nixon was, how can you rank him worse than Buchanan, who let the country literally tear itself in 2 because his lover was a southern congressman and an avid racist?

However, who can argue other than that Bush was the worst ever, and that our country survived is a miracle!

That proves it, Bush, the worst Vice President ever.

Why didn’t Cheney clear his buddy himself when he was actually in charge?

BobZ, March 16 at 7:32 pm #

After reading “Fair Game”, and seeing how Cheney and Libby tried to ruin the lives of Valarie Plame and Joe Wilson, I have zero sympathy for Libby or his boss or bosses boss. They were all criminal and failed to uphold the Constitution of the United States. Bush was damm lucky he wasn’t impeached, same for Cheney.  We had eight years of the biggest creeps since Dick Nixon ruled.
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I disagree.  Nixon at least understood foreign policy, had a modicum of realistic knowledge about fiscal policy and enacted the first real ecology supports.  So despite being a crook about power, he had a certain level of competence and didn’t see the Federal Treasury as something to loot for his friends.

Dare I say it? Nixon was a far better President than Reagan, who shitty as he was, was far better than Bush.

See, I rank Bush #44 (and, in 8 years, he’ll be #45) at the very bottom. Buchanan, Tyler and A.Johnson fill out the bottom 4, with Reagan next as 5th worst, then Pierce, Grant, Z.Taylor,  and, finally, Nixon as 9th worst—still bottom 10 though.

The image of Scooter twisting in the wind is a painful reminder that it could happen to others as well.  It’s a constant reminder to Cheney of his likely future.

After reading “Fair Game”, and seeing how Cheney and Libby tried to ruin the lives of Valarie Plame and Joe Wilson, I have zero sympathy for Libby or his boss or bosses boss. They were all criminal and failed to uphold the Constitution of the United States. Bush was damm lucky he wasn’t impeached, same for Cheney.  We had eight years of the biggest creeps since Dick Nixon ruled.

Your priorities be damned. Libby still got off easy while the people of this country and this world are still fighting to get out of this mess that YOU AND w put on us all in both of your criminal ventures as potus & vpotus. Hell, both of your elections were illegal and actually includes 5 memebers of the them supreme court that should all be incarcerated for their actions. And then of course, every bit of both illegal terms are rift with crime, cronyism, and corporate BS. And as expected, you and the whole cabal are doing your best to make it appear that everything you and w did was legal and fight hard to do that because as long as you and the cabal keep expounding your ‘glorious’ criminal enterprise you will continue to have the support of those few who benefitted from the robbery and murder the whole administration created and those dumb f**ks that still think fux news and the rest of the msm are giving them the truth. You and w’s disasterous faux terms as leaders will take a long time and a lot of work to set back to a better course of the people and the sooner the conservative ownership of the msm is broken up and redistributed over a larger group of owners the sooner your house of cards/crimes will fall. You and w are lucky that I am not in charge.

The Bush Bunch is still in total denial.  Ari Fleicher and Friends are doing the circuit along with Darth Cheney, assisted once again by Faux Snooze, trying to rewrite history.  They will never admit that Iraq was a mistake and therefore anything done for that misbegotten campaign was totally justified in their eyes .... along with Darth’s private hit squads. 
  And, for the record, the “Surge” was a temporary reversal of what was going to be an almost-certain collapse. Once the US departs, the Pashtun and Sunnis and Shiyas and other sand-bangers in the overall region will immediately go back to killing each other, just like they were doing for a thousand years before.  Theirs is a culture of violence - they enjoy it .... almost as much as Cheney.

Scooter Libby couldn’t be pardoned for one simple reason——he knows too much and will one day write a tell-all book much like John Dean.  When that book comes out it will be labeled as exaggeration for his not getting a pardon.  In politics you always leave some wiggle room.

“fundamental difference of opinion”

You bet. The American people had the same relationship with you, Dick Cheney. Please have the humility to just slink away and shut up like your boss has done. We’re simply sick and tired of your entire existence. Mostly sick.

I found it hilarious that Bush not only didn’t pardon Libby, he didn’t issue blanket pardons to all the criminals he surrounded himself with, including Rove.

It was very clear that Bush was seriously pissed at Cheney at least during the last year, 2008. Seriously. And it also seems clear that Bush actually believes that he did nothing wrong and most of the people around him did nothing wrong, therefore there were no pardons.

Bush is surprisingly consistent.  Here are 3 examples:

1) Bush never failed to see a public bolus of money ss something he needed to get into his friends hands, from the Univ of Tex endowment to the budget surplus, to Iraq non-competes, to Medicare, to Social Security (which failed) to the TARP.

2) Bush never liked to pardon anyone—again from his days as Governor through his 8 years as President—he pardoned less than most Presidents.

3) Bush never failed to double-cross an ally no matter how close they were and throw them under the bus.  From Vincente Fox to Tony Blair to Christine Todd Whitman to Harriet Meirs to Karl Rove.  Bush’s personal coat of arms should be a double-cross.

In these three things Bush was most consistent.

Anyone who doubts that Dick Cheney inhabits a parallel universe will know after reading this article that he is indeed ‘lost in space’. That he can have the gall to complain about how Scooter Libby was treated is beyond belief. Obviously he’s been told that no charges will be laid against him. By whom I wouldn’t like to speculate. This man is a war criminal and he should be charged and imprisoned. It makes my blood boil to think he and his co-crimals will get away with what they did. It set yet another dangerous precedent and makes another crime such as his almost inevitable in the future.  Scooter Libby is Cheney’s John Dean but Dean had a lot more class than both of them. Cheney is a member of the club of war profiteers, liars and thieves who run America - whoever’s in government - and as such is above the law. That must be why his flabby, waxy face always looks so smug.

At this point I’m wondering what Mr. Cheney will do if, his executive hit squad becomes a liability, in the sense that he illegally ordered some alternative interventions on foreign nationals.

I wonder what then? More rationalizations?

This may be hard to explain, with a clever turn of a phrase.

You know what, Ed, i have to agree.  And i sometimes wonder if his real problem wasn’t being evil but being incurious, and hence malleable by the likes of Cheney et. al.

That’s not an excuse, it’s a reason.  He’s still responsible for everything that happened under his watch.

Why do news outlets like CNN and the Washington Post continue to give corrupt politicians like Dick Cheney press time? Have they forgotten Cheney was one of the chief architects of the tragic mess that we have in Iraq?

Do they think the public really wants to hear more lies from this sleaze bag? Cheney lied to the public about Iraq, lied about WMDs and yellow cake, lied to Secretary Powell, and lied about the Plame business. Enough already.

F Cheney…F Bush…F Scooter…F Murray Abraham!

Quoting Cheney, “So?”

I was all for pardoning Libby so long as his ex-boss wasn’t behind bars along with his ex-boss.

Cheney also talked of how war on Iraq was (still is) a good thing, of how Hussein in connection with al Qaeda have been defeated. Of how the CIA led him and everyone else in government astray, and so on and so forth.

It seems that just toward the end, Geoge W. Bush became a somewhat better president. He stood up and said “No” to Dick Cheney and the rest of the Israel-first fanatics (both Jewish and gentile) by not pardoning Libby and not going to war against Iran.