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Posted on Mar 6, 2009
Wanton Destruction
churchtimes.co.uk

Arafat Samouni stands by the rubble of his Gaza home, destroyed by Israeli forces.

Human rights investigators are adding yet another alleged war crime to existing accusations of Israel’s war-time exuberance, as Amnesty International officials believe Israel’s military forces engaged in “wanton destruction” of civilian homes during the bloody assault on Gaza.

The BBC:

Amnesty International has told the BBC News website the methods used raised concerns about war crimes.

Israel’s military said buildings were destroyed because of military “operational needs”.

The Israeli Defense Forces said they operated in accordance with international law during the conflict.

However, the use of mines to destroy homes contradicted this claim, the head of the Amnesty International fact-finding mission to southern Israel and Gaza, Donatella Rovera, has argued.

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By Shingo, March 16, 2009 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment

Trithoverlies,

” That money should have been distributed almost 4 weeks ago to the”

Your ignroance and stupidity knows no bounds.

The decision to give the money to the Palestinians was made during Clinton’s visit, which was less than 3 weeks ago.  The conference at which the money was announced was 2 weeks ago.  Where is your proof that the money has already been given to the Palestinians?

You need a reality check.  It is You that is the radical and ringe element,  After all, aren’t you the one who can’t wait for the Rapture, so that the Jews who don’t accept Christ can burn in hell?

Israel is s state like any other. There is no more morality is standing for or against Israel than there is any other state.  You are so drunk on your distorted interpretations of the old Testament that you can’t see logic or reason.

The rights of Israel to exist is only an issue in the minds of right wing extremists and evangelicals like yourself. 

Why shouldn’t we negotiate with states like Iran and Syria?  Iran used to be an ally and has made repeated attempts at peace with us, offering to even recognize Israel adn nromalise relations with Israel.

While you’ve been busy reading your Bible, Israel HAVE been negotiating with Syria. 

Yes, the Arab states have treated the Palestinians wrongly, but it has been Israel who drove them from their land, stole it and confined them to an open air prison call Gaza. It is Israel who has imprisoned 10,000 of them, massacred them, bulldozed their homes and humiliated them.

The Palestinian/Arabs have never wanted to be assimilated into Egypt.  The Palestinian/Arabs have never wanted to be assimilated into Jordan.

They want their own state and are entitled to it. 

The reason there is an abundance of anti Israel reports is bevasue Israel is a terrorist state that behaves like criminally.

Trithoverlies said: Terrorist can only be rehabilitated if they become followers of Jesus Christ as seen in those who have changed from terorism to love of Jesus.

So tell us Trithoverlies, what about Jews who don’t change from Judaism to love of Jesus?  What happens to them?

What about the commandment of though shalt not kill or steal or covet thy neighbors’ land?  What explains your insufferable hypocrisy?

Why do you support and love the terrorism committed by Israel? Where in the Bible does it preach this?

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By Trithoverlies, March 16, 2009 at 6:45 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther, and Shingo,
That money should have been distributed almost 4 weeks ago to the Palestinian/-Arabs so where is it, not one dime of that money was sent to Israel so you don’t surprise me and I have checked out you site it is radical anti Israelis and other Jewish groups who don’t recognize Israels right to exist and you can say what you want but in the end It will be you and those who stood against Israel that will have to give an account of your action. So go ahead continue to follow the Radical fringe if you want but I will never join your cavilcade of lies and antisemitic mythology, as I said you can believe the lies being told by the liberal left and by those of the radical Jewish descent that doesn’t believe in the rights of Israel to exist sure they always vindicate your antisemitic belief system.  America has been infiltrated by the left coasters who think you can actually negotiate with terror states like Iran, and Syria. It comes back to the fact that you know that the Arabs were the main ones to treat the Palestinian/arabs wrongly they put them in the concentration camps that you blame Israel for.  It was Egypt tha would not allow the Palestinian/Arabs to assimulate, It was the Jordanians that wouldn’t allow them to assimulate, it was the Syrians that wouldn’t allow them to assimulate. And it was these same countries and 18 other Muslim Countries that expelled the Jewish populations after may 14th. 1948 giving them as little as 24 hours to sell their property or have it confiscated by the state. The longest was two months and these Muslim countries brought about the Palestinian/Arab problem into being Not Israel. If the Palestinian Authorities of Fatah and Hamas did what was right instead of continnue there vendetta against the Jew just as you and your friends spread outright falsehoods, and half truths as whole truths and you can always find anti Israel garbage on the internet and on the nightely News which has been the domain of Liberal Leftest for 40 years and more when you include such notibles as Walter Cronkite. These sam leftcoasters believe that terrorism can be stopped by police when it is a military problem.  Terrorist can only be rehabilitated if they become followers of Jesus Christ as seen in those who have changed from terorism to love of Jesus.
We have proofe of such an changed lives they live among us Men like Wallid Jumblat a former Terrorist turned minister of the Gospel, and Jamal not his real name because he preaches in the heart of darkness Saudi Aabia where a musliim convert to Christianity can be beheaded if he refuses to renounce Christ and a woman can be shot by firing squad for becomming a Christian. Yet every year since 1999 6 million Muslims each year have convert to Christianity more in the last 30 years than from 632 A.D.through 1978 it is the only way that there will ever be real and lasting peace anywhere You may not believe that but you are the scoffers warned about in the New Testament tht would come in the Last days you are proofe of the Biles authenticity and sadly most of you will never believe it until it is to late.
    Tithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
      John R. Bloxson Jr.

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By Shingo, March 16, 2009 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

Trithoverlies,

It’s so easy to debunk your lies:

” The West bank settlements that already exist will not be built up even by the New Prime Minister.  Now In East Jerusalem which is not Palestine But Israel and part of the Undivided Capital of Israel Jerusalem yes there will be new building projects.”

Israel planning 73,300 new homes in West Bank
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1068033.html

“But again that is not Palestine it is Israeli and can never be given away for a lie of peace that can and want exist until Hamas, Hezbollah, the Al Aqsa Martyers brigade and all other terroris factions have become exstinct so go ahead and continue to believe your lies. “

Israel will never give away east Jerusalem, they will be forced to do so.  You also prove how ingorant ad poorly informed you are - Hezbollah have nothing to so with Palestine or east Jerusalem. Hezbollah have never nevtued into Israel.

“e gave another 900 million so far this year yet almost none of it has reached the people”

Rubbish.  That money has not been distributed.

The rest of your pots is just the usual, unintelligible racist, extremist, deranged bile we’ve come to expect from from you and deserves no comment.

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By amunaor, March 16, 2009 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

RE: Trithoverlies

Islam aroze as a reactionary against the predations of Rome. Today, ‘radical’ Islam is the same reationary against the predations of ‘radical’ Christianism.

The Zionists aggrivate the situation by squelching non-Zionist Jewish voices. The Zionists miguidely believe they are entitled to all of the land between the Euphrates and the Nile, as was the case under their king - Tuthmoses III.

SEE - Jews against Zionism:
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/resources/productlist.cfm?catcode=1


Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By Trithoverlies, March 16, 2009 at 12:19 pm Link to this comment

First off you have it wrong the Israelis are planing to build 200,000 homes but not on the West Bank an most assuridly not on the Gaza Strip so you are spreading a false alarm the areas now under no occupation by Israel are 90% of the West Bank and 100% of the Gaza strip. The West bank settlements that already exist will not be built up even by the New Prime Minister.  Now In East Jerusalem which is not Palestine But Israel and part of the Undivided Capital of Israel Jerusalem yes there will be new building projects.  But again that is not Palestine it is Israeli and can never be given away for a lie of peace that can and want exist until Hamas, Hezbollah, the Al Aqsa Martyers brigade and all other terroris factions have become exstinct so go ahead and continue to believe your lies. The Land under Palestinian control is filled with poverty Why? because the World has not sent enough money to solve it,heavens NO, because as it stands if every Palestinian on the West Bank and Gaza recieved the money that has poured in in the last 20 years alone they would have over a million dollars per person but most of that money goes into private Swiss Accounts for Greeds sake and for Hates sake.  It doesn’t reach the People because we don’t hand it straight to each individual we gave another 900 million so far this year yet almost none of it has reached the people. So again blame Israel which doesn’t even touch that aid for all thats wrong on the West Bank and Gaza Strip. But you would be reinforcing the lie and not living up to the truth. It is sad to see the world sliding right back into the muck of AntiSemitism just as they did from 1929 till 1945 we as people have not learned the lessons of the past. So we are doomed to repeat them over again but you don’t even see it you have been fed lies by groups hostile to Israels right to its nationhoood and property. This unfortunately includes some Jewish sectarian groups who do not believe Israel should exist at all. I have read most if not all of your liberal propaganda and find when put to the truth it lacks leg to stand on. So please stop fooling yourselves with propaganda that is just as spurious as the The Proticol of the Elders of Zion is or Henry Fords The International Jew, or the Bolshevic lie The Cause of World Unrest. There are Jews today who even have come to believe they deserve all the persecution they have indured for the last 4000 yrs. The only real persecution of Palestinians is at the hand of other Arabs who 60 years ago set up concentration camps for the Palestinians and never allowed them to assimulate into Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebenon, and Saudi Arabia if there are any foriegn culprits it is the above mentioned Countries for setting the palestinians up for failure just as their own cultures are failing them, Radical Islam continues to hold all the cards and cause all the strife in the Middle East even if you refuse to believe it, it doesn’t make it any less true. 
      Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
          John R. Bloxson Jr.

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By Folktruther, March 10, 2009 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

On March 2, 2009, according to the Israeli group Peace Now, Isreal released plans to build new housing in Palestine that would house nearly 200,000 more “settlers”, added to nearly the half million settlers already there. These settlements have been paid for largely indirectly by the US.  The settlements, which began in the 1970’s, endorsed by all the major Israeli parties, increased by 67% in 2008 under Bush.  The next increase will be under Obama.

while this is happening, the US media maintain that there is a “Peace Process” going on as a cover story for Israeli ethnic cleansing. Zionists, including TD Zinists of course, maintain this fiction to allow Israel to absorb the West Bank, depriving Palestinians of their country, homes, business, and lives.  It is what Zionists mean by “Peace.” 

The article by Franklin Spinney, a former US military analyst, can be read on Counterpunch.

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By amunaor, March 9, 2009 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

Those Jews that made up the Irgun Gang, the founders of Israel, are the Ashkenazi European Jews, most of them repentant Bolsheviks from Russia and Poland. The link below should flesh out some of that story.


The other part of the story is obscured by what took place at the cross-roads in Rome; the house of Tuthmoses III; who Akhenaten/Moses was and the demise of the son, Tutankhaten, at the hands of the high-priest. Read the works of scholar Ahmed Osman. He has managed to dislodge much of what others have attempted to bury. Start with: “Stanger in the Valley of the Kings”, for the findings here are pivotal to all else that is uncovered later. By the way, following Tutankhanten’s ascension to the throne, he changed his name to Tutankhamun. The name change is significant in that it was a symbolic gesture; an extension of the olive branch, rejected by the father and the priest.


Jack Bernstein - THE LIFE OF AN AMERICAN JEW IN RACIST MARXIST ISRAEL:

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2006/10/06/the_life_of_an_american_jew_in_racist_ma

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By amunaor, March 9, 2009 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment

Those Jews that made up the Irgun Gang, the founders of Israel, are the Ashkenazi European Jews, most of them repentant Bolsheviks from Russia and Poland. The link below should flesh out some of that story.

The other part of the story is obscured by what took place at the cross-roads in Rome; the house of Tuthmoses III; who Akhenaten/Moses was and the demise of the son, Tutankhaten, at the hands of the high-priest. Read the works of scholar Ahmed Osman. He has managed to dislodge much of what others have attempted to bury. Start with: “Stanger in the Valley of the Kings”, for the findings here are pivotal to all else that is uncovered later. By the way, following Tutankhanten’s ascension to the throne, he changed his name to Tutankhamun. The name change is significant in that it was a symbolic gesture; an extension of the olive branch, rejected by the father and the priest.

Jack Bernstein - THE LIFE OF AN AMERICAN JEW IN RACIST MARXIST ISRAEL:

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2006/10/06/the_life_of_an_american_jew_in_racist_ma

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By Shingo, March 9, 2009 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment

Howard,

Your talking points are about 6 years old.

>> the only ’ ethnic cleansing’ that is so bandied about so loosely here is in the Hamas charter and taught daily in their schools and mosques

Hamas spokesman has stated that the Charter is no longer relevant.  Sorry to break the news to you.

And speaking of children being taught hatred, how about these adorable things?

http://images.google.com.au/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=ok8&ei=jZW1SZvnBYbAkAWju8nXBA&resnum=1&q=Israeli children signing bombs&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

I wonder if Hams children are taught to write messages on the rockets fired into Israel?

In any case, even a Zionist stooge like John Kerry was disgusted at the way Israel have blocked all basic supplies coming into Gaza.

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 9, 2009 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

One Internet site at a time, one state at a time and one group at a time, Americans are awakening slowly, but surely to the ugly fascist reality of Israel and to the complicity of the American political-military-industrial complex in Israeli crimes.
Today, I just discovered a new site called “Vermonters for a Just Peace in Palestine/Israel.” Their web address is: (http://www.vtjp.org)

Please visit the site and get enlightened and informed about what the mainstream media outlets and government organs don’t want you to know!

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By amunaor, March 9, 2009 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

Once again, there appears a mounting cresendo dictating the need for inciting fear into the public mind, neccesitating the industry of war to expend some of its marvalous resources. Through death of others, the capitalists chase their illusion wealth as they attempt to jump-start the dead beast on Wall Street.

We’ve seen this story somewhere before. Let’s keep alert so as not to be drawn into another False Flag trap.

Israel/CIA plot to sink USS Liberty – do search on: Operation Cyanide – with the intention of blaming Egyptian Arabs so that U.S. could nuke Egypt on Israel’s behalf. Unfortunately, to the dismay of the plotters, survivors lived to tell their story of the attack. John McCain’s father, was selected to head the cover-up and there is no doubt that it was a cover-up!

BBC Four Investigative Report into 1967 USS Liberty incident. Watch video Broadcast Saturday 17 May 2003:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5073.htm

Fast forward to the dancing, high-fiving Zionists who were cheering the aftermath of the 911 impacts as it was happening. They were subsequently arrested and released:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw&feature=related

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By Howard, March 9, 2009 at 10:58 am Link to this comment

the only ’ ethnic cleansing’ that is so bandied about so loosely here is in the Hamas charter and taught daily in their schools and mosques….one that promulgates the destruction of Israel and its people. Over and over again its taught until those hearing it have no abilities to nation-start or ask their Hamas leaders to use the dollars that come into the country as charity and weekly doles to get the gazans to stand on their own feet and move upward into the world at large.

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By Folktruther, March 9, 2009 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

Inherit- Wilson in 1916, Roosevelt in 1940, and Johnson in 1964, all campaigned in the elections on a peace program and, immediately after the election, got us into war.  Like Obama in 2008, before he got us into Pakistan and possibly Iran.

You are quite right, howver, that Obama doesn’t like Nateanyohoo’s right wing program against a Palestinian state.  It’s embarrassing.  The traditional position of US-Isreal is to give lip service to two state solution while continuing the ethnic cleansing.  It’s hard to keep up the pretense to the American people and the world with the right wingers in power.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 9, 2009 at 4:30 am Link to this comment

FT, I swear sometimes you are truly moronic—and deaf.  Don’t you watch or read the news? Or do you simply filter out everything you don’t want to hear?

Attacking Iran is crazy, especially considering the other wars in progress, but then so is bombing homes in Pakistan.  Obama, like Bush, personally has almost no foreign policy experience, and his administration is strongly Zionist and militaristic.
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Here’s a fine example of your blind idiocy.  Obama has already begun the process of opening discussions with Iran and getting everyone to back away from the brink, with his exchange of letters with Ahmedinijad and his “open-hand” public statement.  Meanwhile, Sec. Clinton has stated that Iran needs to be invited to the conference on resolving Afghanistan.  Finally, Netanyahu has been given scant support from the Obama admin—they clearly do NOT prefer him in office.

You need to wash the red paint out of your eyes so you can see clearly and stop ignoring what inconveniently proves your “geo-political theories” to be crap.

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We may be reverting to the traditional US historical condition where the major wars were initiated by Dems.  Wilson in WW1, Roosevelt in WW2, Truman in the Korean war, and Johnson in the Vietnam war.  Obama is now the Commander in Chief when Congress and the other US institutins have been systematically gutted of power.  Another war would be a diversion from the depression we are now entering.
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Do you think EVERYBODY else is an idiot as well? We are engaged in two major wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The first we universally agree should never have happened and the 2nd, well, I believe it was necessary but, like everything Bush did, was approached half-assed. 

(I take that back—the raid on the US taxpayers in the fall to benefit the banks and investment houses was perfectly executed according to usual Bush design—give ‘em all the money and demand nothing in return—just like the tax cuts and Medicare swindles.)

Next: as usual your history is faulty and you ignore that.  1) Wilson didn’t get us into WWI until 1917—the War began in August 1914.  Then he did it only after Germany dropped their restriction on sub-warfare against the US in 1916. 2) WWII—It’s called Pearl Harbor!  The Japanese responded to an economic boycott with a military attack.

I’ll give you Truman—but Eisenhower got us into Viet Nam based on the same kind of lousy intelligence that got Truman to help start the Korean war.  Still, LBJ escalated Viet-Nam.

So…your “Dems start wars” theory fails because: Two of the wars you cite were NOT started by Wilson and FDR as you claim, and two wars you did NOT cite were both started by Bush.

Then again, that’s about some of your BEST analysis I’ve seen….ROFLMAO!

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By Folktruther, March 9, 2009 at 2:47 am Link to this comment

With Israel’s new right wing government, and the installation of the Zionist regime of Obama, it looks like Israeli cleansing will be speeded up. The last year under Bush, the settlements increased by 67%. Natanyahoo has already annunced the destruction of hundreds of Palestinian homes.  The settlements are traditionally funded indirectly by the US.

Since the pretense of a two-state solution is increasingly threadbare, distractions will be needed to disguise US-Israel’s ethnic cleansing.  Natanyahoo has already stated Iran was its major problem.  And Obama has appointed Dennis Ross, the right wing head of an Israeli think tank to coordinate Mideast policy.

Attacking Iran is crazy, especially considering the other wars in progress, but then so is bombing homes in Pakistan.  Obama, like Bush, personally has almost no foreign policy experience, and his administration is strongly Zionist and militaristic.

We may be reverting to the traditional US historical condition where the major wars were initiated by Dems.  Wilson in WW1, Roosevelt in WW2, Truman in the Korean war, and Johnson in the Vietnam war.  Obama is now the Commander in Chief when Congress and the other US institutins have been systematically gutted of power.  Another war would be a diversion from the depression we are now entering.

That is how Roosevelt got us out of the last one. But with the increased power and barbarism of the US ruling class, it is conceivable that we could have war and depression at the same time.  And any protest would be treasonous, enforced by the militarized police and US combat brigades.  And of course the threat of torture that the US, Obama tells us, does not practice.

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By Shingo, March 9, 2009 at 12:28 am Link to this comment

cyrena,

“Lords of the Land” was originally in Hebrew, so it can’t be easily dismissed as an Arab piece of fiction.

Howard is like a broken record.  He just repeats the same bunk over and over again, impervious to new information and oblivious to any counter argument.

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By cyrena, March 9, 2009 at 12:18 am Link to this comment

By Shingo, March 8 at 5:11 pm

•  “The one and only comprehensive scholarly history of Israeli settlements in the occupied territories has just been translated into English, called “Lords of the Land”.  It explain why it has been impossible for the Palestinians to nation build.”


Shingo,
Thanks for the recommendation on the work, “Lords of the Land”. I’m going to check it out. What was the original language? Just curious, I’ll find out when I look for a way to get it.

Thanks again.

PS…I don’t think Howard is ever going to acknowledge this, either because he’s living in one of them (the Israeli settlements that is) and running over Palestinians at the check points, even though of course they all have special license plates to get them through without waiting; OR he really is among the sincerely ignorant bunch.

I’d bet the former. In fact, I’d bet a few coins that Howard was among the first of the settlers…probably one of the ones we see in some of these videos. Or, maybe if he’s a sincere ignorant, these folks in the video are his relatives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykmv7s-Q0J8

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By Shingo, March 8, 2009 at 11:26 pm Link to this comment

Trithoverlies,

How add that a rabid anti semti e like yourself would inquire whether others are antisemites? Perhaps you needing friends with whom you can share your desires about how the Jews who do not turn to Christ will burn, is that it Trithoverlies?

The comparison between Gaza and the Warsaw Gheto is very appropriate.  Both are prisons and both include a resistance groups who is trying to free themselves from oppression and bondage.
There are Palestinians dying of starvation.  The Israeli armed forces have been trying to route out the Palestinian resistance for decades. Gaza city has been surrounded for three years. The 12 months after Israel supposedly withdrew from Gaza, it pounded Gaza with 7,700 shells.
Israel controls air, land and sea access to Gaza,  not Hamas. Israel have blockaded Gaza for 2 years and are preventing basic aid from being delivered.  These mythical bank accounts in Switzerland are not doing them much good, seeing as they only have the most primitive weapons to defend themselves.  The Palestianians are suffering under collective punishment by Israel.  The hatred against Israeli’s grows because Israel is behaving like a outlaw terrorist state.

There is no evidence whatsoever of Hamas using anyone’s yards to fire Rockets and Morters into Israel. In fact, Israel made the same claim against Hezbollah and that proved to be a lie.

In the last ten years, Israel ha only lost a dozen or so civilians, yet Israel murdered 1300 over December/January and many thousand that were mained and wonded by Israel’s bombs and white phosphorous. 
Israel rejected Hamas’ request for the ceasefire to be extended in December because they were determined to prove to the Arab world that they were not weak after their defeat to Hezbollah.  Israel violated the ceasefire in November and they did so again with the latest ceasefire when they crossed the border into Gaza.

So explain to us Trithoverlies why you want to see all the Jews of the world burn in hell? What did they ever do to you Trithoverlies?

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By Ribber, March 8, 2009 at 11:10 pm Link to this comment

haha, I love how people throw the word antisemitic around when others don’t agree with the murdering of innocent people. The simple truth of the matter is that Israel is stealing land and killing innocent people to accomplish this task. Zionists are the modern Nazis… not happy until an entire people is wiped from the earth.

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By Trithoverlies, March 8, 2009 at 10:52 pm Link to this comment

Geronemo, and friends,
You have continually tried to make Israel the bad guys why is it because you like Henry Ford are antisemites? How dare you try to equate Gaza with the Warsaw Gheto 39 Polnachekinsy’s from my family died there after living for 3 years on starvation rations and even at the end it took a crack SS divission to route out the Jewish resistance for three months. Gaza city was surounded for three weeks not even a close resemblance to Warsaw, and is under the control of Hamas not Israeli Tanks. They are getting money from all sorts of Aid groups but what is Hamas doing with that money feeding their people? NO they are piling up huge bank accounts in Switzerland so why is there a problem it is caused by the gangster mentility of Hamas tthe people are suffering under Hamas terrorism and the hate against Israeli’s grows best when the mullahs can blame all their peoples problems on the Great Satan (USA) and the little Satan (Israel)well think you for continueing to show your Hipocracy hamas how kills home owners who stood up and refussed to let them use their yard to fire Rockets and Morters into Israel. The Israeli’s are wrong to get upset after hamas has kiled in Israel over the last 10 years 640 plus Jewish civilians, and destroyed the lives of over 2000 people who will never get out of the Hospital tell them Hamas wants only peace when the ceasefire wasn’t even two hours old they began lobbing Rockets and Morter into Israel. I am sick of the hipocracy being shown by so many Librals its alright for Dempcrates to fill bills with pork but not Republicans it isn’t alright for any earmarks no the 8700 in the Omnibus Bill nor the 9000 in Obamessiah’s 2010 budget.
    Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
      John R. Bloxson Jr.

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By Henry Clifford, March 8, 2009 at 8:09 pm Link to this comment
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A policeman (the US) interrupts a holdup in progress. The holdup man (Israel) says “There is no reason for you to intervene officer, I am negotiating with this man (the Palestinians) and I have made him a proposal: your money or your life. I am waiting for his response.”

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By Observer, March 8, 2009 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment
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When the outcome is fairly predictable,when certain
people are being brought in who are supposed to help,
but who are actually part of the problem…why even
bother expecting some solution, as with this person.
 
The chairman of the Board of Directors of JPPPI from 2002 to early 2009 was Dennis Ross — the same Dennis Ross who has played a major role in US policy in the Middle East in the Bush I and Clinton administrations and was director of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy — a hard-line pro-Israel lobbying group. Ross gave up his position with the JPPPI after he was named as the Obama administration’s top envoy to the Middle East, a position where he will be able to influence policy on Iran and other issues deemed vital to Israel.  (Ross remains a “Consultant” at WINEP.)

It is noteworthy that no one complains when Ross is appointed to such an important US foreign policy position despite his close ties to Israel and the Israel Lobby. But there is major hysteria when people point out that Charles Freeman (Obama’s nominee for the head of the National Intelligence Council) has an association with a group funded by Saudi Arabia.

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By geronimo, March 8, 2009 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment
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(are there still doubters?)

Gaza And The Warsaw Ghetto

same place

different time

while the world stood by

genocide

live

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By Shingo, March 8, 2009 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

Howard,

Of course Israel wants peace. Everyone wants peace, even Hitler.  The issue is under what terms? In the case of Israel, they want peace but only on their terms.  If they wanted peace, there is an offer on the table right now by the League of Arab Nations (ie. the Arab dictatorships), which offers to recognize Israel and normalize relations as per the 1967 borders. Israel has rejected the 6 year old offers because it is not prepared to give up the land it stole.

There is no point in the Palestinians atempting nation building.  Not only will Israel destroy whatever they create, but Israel refuses to allow the Palestinians to have self determination.

The one and only comprehensive scholarly history of Israeli settlements in the occupied territories has just been translated into English, called “Lords of the Land”.  It explain why it has been impossible for the Palestinians to nation build

“After Israel withdrew it’s forces from Gaza, in August 2005, the ruined territory was not released for even a single day from Israel’s military grip, or from the price of the occupation that the inhabitants pay every day. Israel left behind scotched earth, devastated services, and people with nearly a present or a future. The Jewish settlements were destroyed in an ungenerous move by an unenlightened occupier, which in fact continues to control the territory and kill and harass it’s inhabitants, by means of it’s formidable military might.”

Israel started the wars of ‘56, ‘67, ‘82 and 2006, as well as the attack on Gaza this year.  They’ve attacked their neighbors over and over, just to maintain Israel’s superiority and instill fear. The reason no one has been able to help the Palestinians is because Israel has been blockading Gaza for 2 years.  The quote should explain why.

It is in Israel’s best interest to help the pal’s help themselves, but Israel is doing the opposite. 

Similarly Egypt, will not help the Gazans because their corrupt dictator is under US and Israeli control.  Israel get’s blamed for the crimes it perpetrates and it will continue to be blamed so long as it is responsible.

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 8, 2009 at 11:11 am Link to this comment

Please visit the Cartoons section of Truthdig to see a graphic depiction of the the so-called Hilary Clinton’s efforts to solve the Israeli-Palestinian problem.

There, you’ll find a picture by Mr. Fish worth a thousand words!

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By KPinSEA, March 8, 2009 at 10:19 am Link to this comment

Tragically, both sides of the Israel/Palestine conflict continue to be governed by political leaders who want “victory” more than peace.  A Netanyahu government makes U.S. involvement in this process more or less a farce.  We either continue to be Israel’s cheerleader, apologist, and military bodyguard, or we disengage and try to re-establish credibility as a true neutral arbiter, something no one in the world sees us as today.

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By Howard, March 8, 2009 at 7:30 am Link to this comment

NONSENSE.  Israel wants peace. Little tiny Israel has offered peace since ‘47.  No one in the pal’s offers their hands to reduce extensive terrorism and abysmal education and societal ills. Start nation-building perhaps.

Just a promise to eradicate and destroy Israel from the pal’s and surrounding arab dictatorships. Israel had to defend themselves in ‘48, ‘56, ‘67, ‘73 et al and even now in this past year.  Attacked over and over.  Pal’s have no better potential friend than Israel.  See anyone else helping them ?. Its in Israel’s best interest to help the pal’s help themselves.  Hamas cannot govern.  Only make their citizens blame everyone but their rulers called hamas.

Is Egypt, their brethren, helping the gazans ?  Any of the oil rich arab countries who could jump start the pal’s into the modern world?  Not a chance.  Who would they rail against? Need the Israel’s to blame for everyting wrong under the sun !

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By andrushka, March 8, 2009 at 5:12 am Link to this comment

I honestly believe that ISRAEL had NEVER that intention to share Palestine with the Palestinians.  From the very first days in 1948, the Israelis started destroying Palestinians’homes, and this has been documentated by Israel’s historians. The Israelian Government by continuing implementing an illegal settlements’ program is proof enough that they are NOT interested in peace but rather in STEALING land from the Palestians till those have no land left.

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By Shingo, March 7, 2009 at 11:01 pm Link to this comment

Trithoverlies,

What did Jesus sat about hypocrites?  Aren’t you the worst of the worst of the anti Semites, who’s fascination with Israel has nothing to do with your regard for Jews, but your agenda of using Israel to hasten the rapture?

Aren’t you looking forward to that imaginary day when the you believe the Jews will be forced to accept Christ or burn in hell?

Isn’t it you who is the liar , thief, and murder from the beginning?  Haven’t you fallen victim to the deceiver?

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By Trithoverlies, March 7, 2009 at 9:03 pm Link to this comment

As Usual you people bent on the destruction of Israel have been made happy with another lier from the Left talking about wanton destruction as a war crimes committed by your Kicking boy Israel. I wonder what you will say when you and the rest of you radical left stand before The White Throne Judgment to answer for your bitter hatred of Israel. I Know a day of Judgment is comming and even if you don’t believe this well you have eyes that see the signs but are like the blind guides Jesus pointed to when he said you call for signs the only sign you will get is the sign of Jonah, He was in the belly of the great fish for three days. You don’t believe because you don’t want to believe you are like the one who fathered you He was a lier , theif, and murder from the begining (aka Satan). You can see the weather paterns but are blind to the signs of the times. But one day, and I believe that day is fast approaching you will be forced to see the truth but even then you want stop your sexual immorality, theft, drug adictions, murders, worshiping the demons, and Idols. You will continue to blaspheme God. It will be to late you will accept the rebeleous mark of the Beast, and worship him or his image, this will doom you to perdition.  Not my words but the words of Jesus convict you of your rebelion and twisted mind set not knowing good from bad, and bad from good.
            Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
              John R. Bloxson Jr.
P.S You are the secret weapon of our enemy and don’t even know it.

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By cyrena, March 7, 2009 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment

This is somewhat dated information, but still interesting..

Israel acts to block war crimes charges

Jonathan Cook

The National

January 25. 2009

“Jerusalem // Mounting fear in Israel that the country’s leaders face war crimes charges over their involvement in the recent Gaza offensive pushed officials into a frenzy of activity at the weekend to forestall legal actions abroad.

The urgency was underlined after rumours last week that Belgian authorities might arrest Tzipi Livni, Israel’s foreign minister, if she attended a summit of European counterparts in Brussels on Wednesday. In an indication of how seriously the matter is judged, Ms Livni’s advisers were on the verge of cancelling her trip when the story was revealed to be a hoax.

Nonetheless, officials are braced for real attempts to arrest senior political and military figures following a warning from the country’s chief law officer, Menachem Mazuz, that Israel will soon face “a wave of international lawsuits”.

In response, the government is setting up a special task force to work on legal defences, has barred the media from naming or photographing army officers involved in the Gaza attack, and has placed restrictions on overseas visits. Today, ministers were expected to approve an aid package to help soldiers fight warrants abroad for their arrest.”

The rest at the link
http://www.jkcook.net/Articles2/0368.htm

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By Shingo, March 7, 2009 at 5:05 pm Link to this comment

Howard,

History shows the Zionist plant expel Arabs dates back to the 1880’s and that the 1948 war, which was really a continuation of 1947 hostilities, was used as pretext to carry out the enthic cleansing.

The fact that Israel refused the right of return of the refugee is evidence that this was the plan all along.  The 1967 grab of the West Bank and Gaza is all the proof we need that Israel were determned to expand, not matter what the Arabs agreed to.

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By Shingo, March 7, 2009 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

Howard,

>> Hamas’s attacks against Israel for months and months was cause.

False.  Mark Regev stated on television that Hamas had NOT fired any rockets during the ceasefire.  Israel violated ceasefire on November 4th.

>> Destruction of homes and buildings as amnesty claims were most times forts of terrorists hiding behind civilians and shooting at Israeli soldiers.

There is no proof of this. Only Israel’s word, the same thing Israal said in Lebanon 2006 about Hezbollah and which were proven to be false.

>> Just like the false story of the the un school, most items here are false and one-sided.

The story has not been proven to be false either.

>> How about the wanton firing of rockets and missiles onto Israel which precipitated the whole embraglio?

What precipitated was Israel refusal to release it’s stranglehold n Gaza and it’s blockade since it’s withdrawl.

Isrel will not allow Hamas to govern.  Israel refuse to allow to succeed and keep breakign their own promises to allow basic aid into Gaza.  Even John Kerry was alarmed at the fact that Israel were refusing to allow basic food to enter Gaza.

Israel is comiting war crimes.

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By Folktruther, March 7, 2009 at 3:54 pm Link to this comment

Guacamaya focuses on the essential point.  The Israeli power structure has chosen expansion over security, and this involves additional ethnic cleansing.  Which the Obama administration is assisting in the same way the Bush administration did.

Well over half the 2000 dead and 5000 maimed were women and children.  And since the Israeli power structure has the same genocidal values as Howard and the other Zionists, it will continue until Israel can be stopped.

    ISOLATE ISRAEL- NO ETHNIC CLEANSING

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By diamond, March 7, 2009 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

Wanton destruction is what Israel calls foreign policy. There are those who believe that the birthplace of Jesus shouldn’t be occupied by the Palestinians and that they should be driven out. This is the kind of repellent ‘crusader’ thinking you find among fanatical fundamentalist so-called Christian preachers in America. In such a surreal landscape the only hope for sanity is Livni who believes in a two state solution - even if she has blood on her hands, and she does. But she didn’t form government, two cavemen did. Even if the Palestinians get their state and peace carries the day,it will take decades for the fascist thinking that rules Israel to be altered. The more helpless the people of Gaza are the more Israel will kill them and their children. It’s how fascists think. We have the guns: we make the rules.

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By john from ojai, March 7, 2009 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment
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Israel is not interested in a just solution for Palestinians. Their right wing government and the U.S. AIPAC controlled politicians push the zionist agenda with the press only reporting that point of view.
Time for a new approach. Naomi Klein suggests that we boycott, divest, and sanction Israel just as we did to South Africa. Demand our politicians stop sending $7 million a day of taxpayer money to fuel the Israeli war machine. Stop buying Starbucks, Caterpillar and others and get universities to not buy stock with large Israeli positions.

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By P. T., March 7, 2009 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

Israeli journalist Amira Hass, in Haaretz newspaper, describes the filthy behavior of Israeli troops occupying Gazan homes.  Click on http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=2729

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 7, 2009 at 9:02 am Link to this comment

By guacamaya, March 7 at 11:52 am #

Howard’s empty words, slavishly and unquestioningly parroting the standard Zionist propaganda reminded me of when my country was occupied by Germany.
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Dear Guacamaya,

I salute your courageous, enlightened and firm response to Howard’s rants and false propaganda. As an American of Palestinian background who is one of the surviving victims of Israeli aggression and occupation, I thank you on behalf of the Palestinian people for choosing to be on the side of truth and justice.

And thank you for providing the link from Democracy Now to the the interview with the courageous Avi Shleim. Since the interview took place while the Israeli terrorist assault on Gaza was in progress, I just want to update some of the information that was reported in connection to that report:

1. The latest figure of the Palestinians killed stands now at 1500-2000, the count is being revised as more deaths are discovered under the rabble of destroyed buildings and houses. 
2. The numbers of the injured stand at over 5,000.
3. About 40% of the killed and injured are children.
4. Only 13 Israelis have died over the same period, ten of them soldiers, and 4 of those ten were killed by friendly fire.

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By Howard, March 7, 2009 at 8:29 am Link to this comment

Right. History shows in ‘48 that if the arabs had accepted the splitting up of the land instead of attacking Israel who had agreed to the the partition plan; why just maybe the last 60 years would have seen the 24th arab land in their partition area.

But, they chose “no” (and it is still ‘no’ ), they refused the gift and 5 arab armies attacked Israel.  Its still no as they do not want their own country if its to be next to Israel. Their own leaders(especially Arafat) and surrounding arab countries have led them down the wrong path. Over and over.

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By guacamaya, March 7, 2009 at 7:52 am Link to this comment

Howard’s empty words, slavishly and unquestioningly parroting the standard Zionist propaganda reminded me of when my country was occupied by Germany. The occupiers also believed unquestionably in their leaders who finally led them like moths to the light of destruction. And as I am over 80 I remember WW ll very well.

Maybe Howard can learn something from the leading Israeli Scholar Avi Shlaim who is considered an authority on the Israel Arab conflict. http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/14/leading_israeli_scholar_avi_shlaim_israel

Had the Israeli’s stayed within the borders as laid down by the UN Resolution 242 than they could have enjoyed a long and prosperous future. But they were greedy and wanted it all and that will be their undoing. In the very near future the Arab population will outnumber the Israeli and Israel’s whole future depends on American support. If I were an Israeli I would be seriously wondering for how much longer they can count on that. It is not likely to go on for ever. There will come a time when the Middle East is no longer of interest to Americans and their taxpayers may wonder why their hard earned money should continue to be given to Israel.

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 7, 2009 at 6:59 am Link to this comment

Here below are links to three articles related to the Palestinians struggle for justice, human rights and peace!
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Palestine And The Post-State Era
By Cameron Hunt

http://www.countercurrents.org/hunt060309.htm

Were Hamas to embrace the proposed no-state solution, they would in fact be taking the first step towards a Post-State World. They would immediately represent the World’s intellectual vanguard, declaring that the European Model of statehood does not in fact represent the best framework for the 21st Century, or beyond

Was Hamas The Work Of The Israeli Mossad?
By Ramzy Baroud

http://www.countercurrents.org/baroud060309.htm

Analysts, politicians, critics and third-parties alike can squabble about the origins and history of this movement that has among many things given a large segment of Palestinian society a sense of self-respect and feeling of leverage with their occupiers; but to advocate that Hamas was cooked up by some Israeli agents hell-bent on the demise of the Palestinians is simply hogwash

 

Suddenly, Home Was Gone
By Eva Bartlett

http://www.countercurrents.org/bartlett060309.htm

Dates in the calendar to mark the rights of women mean little to Manwa Tarrabin and her two daughters. They have lost home, and any rights to it. Until Jan. 17, they were living in a small bungalow in the Al-Amal quarter of Beit Hanoun, within 200 metres of Gaza’s eastern border, in a region declared by the Israeli authorities a ‘closed military zone’

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By Steven, March 7, 2009 at 6:35 am Link to this comment
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Howard,

Your ignorance is truly startling.  How about Israel stop building settlements on Palestinean land which they have done routinely on the West Bank and did in Gaza for years.  The other bogus claim is how Israel pulled out of Gaza and handed over control to the Palestineans.  Israel simply pulled out then imprisoned them by controlling all access from land, sea, and air (with some complict aid of Egypt by the US bribing Muhbark with billions in aid).  If it were anyone else, the rocket attacks on Israel would be called self-defense.

And finally, tell me if a Palestinean has ever attacked or killed an American?  Have they ever said, done, or acted in terrorist way towards America?  Can the same be said of Israel?  NO!  They killed 34 Americans when they blew up the USS Liberty.  They routinely spy on the US and use this information to black mail and bribe elected US officials.  Israel is no friend of the American people, they are simply a welfare state, looking for handouts which we give them at will and get nothing in return.

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By Howard, March 7, 2009 at 5:10 am Link to this comment

ONE sided story, as ususl.  Hamas’s attacks against Israel for months and months was cause.

Destruction of homes and buildings as amnesty claims were most times forts of terrorists hiding behind civilians and shooting at Israeli soldiers.

Just like the false story of the the un school, most items here are false and one-sided.

How about the wanton firing of rockets and missiles onto Israel which precipitated the whole embraglio?

Hamas cannot govern.  they are a disaster for her people.  should spend their energies into trying to start a normal country, instead of one that exports only hatred and utter terrorism.  In the name of allah.

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By Shingo, March 7, 2009 at 4:29 am Link to this comment

Simple solution. Stop attacking Israel.

The Palestianiand have tried that a number of times.  Arafat tried it and the settlements continued to expand.

>>Stop the bombings, the rockets and the call for her destruction.

What about Israel?  They have dropped more than ten times as many bombs since withdrawing from Gaza.

>> Arabs received 99% of the land under the British Mandate that created Israel.

That and was stolen - first through the ethnic cleansing in 1948, and then later in 1967.


>> I say give Israel 50% land! That would be fair.

Tell tat to Israel.

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By cyrena, March 7, 2009 at 2:00 am Link to this comment

y haspeneigh, March 6 at 3:32 pm #
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If the qassam rockets weren’t being launched, Israel itself would launch them, in order to have some meager defense for their genocidal excesses.  This is probably the case in fact.
A few years back one group of Israeli settlers launched a few qassam rockets.  The story went away, then not long after, the rockets were all ‘Hamas’ evil doing.
There is a well established policy of ethnic cleansing that goes back to the British mandate of Palestine, the formation of the terrorist Irgun gangs, which eventually gave rise to the founding of the state of Israel.
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Dear haspeneigh

Thanks for bringing this up; specifically about the fact that the policy is so ‘well established’. I’ve been studying this myself the past several months, just because I wanted to know where the myth all began. Turns out that this has been the policy since the beginning of the Zionist Movement, which dates back to Hertzl.

Apparently, he was himself ambivalent to exactly how the non-Jewish population was to be removed from the area, but the primary thugs of the Zionist Movement made it clear from the beginning that expulsion of the Arabs was mandatory. That was the policy as early as 1878, when the Zionists established their first agricultural colony in Palestine.
It has remained the policy since, specifically since the Nakba of 1948, that expelled and/or killed over a million of them.

Anyway, ironically enough, I’d just been posting the chronology of this Zionist Movement in Palestine, from Ilan Pappe’s very excellent book, “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine”.

It was too much truth for most of the propaganda inflicted among us, and that’s to be understood I suppose. Most Americans (including me until about a decade ago) are totally ignorant to the circumstances that created the State of Israel, having been brainwashed into believing that it was because of the atrocities of Eastern Europe, and the targeting of Jews by the Nazis as well as the Stalinists, that Israel was created for the Jews to have their own state.

But THEN, with a little bit more investigation, and one thing leading to another (which is what always happens when we try to fine the beginning of any thread/root) it turns out that the Zionist Project for Palestine dates back to the latter part of the 19th Century, and even THEN, the plan was always to exterminate the indigenous population from the area then known as Palestine. (Which included Lebanon and what was then Transjordan).

So, this plan was already well along in the process…immigrating hundreds of thousands of mostly Eastern European Jews into Palestine between 1882 and 1914, nearly 100,000 Jewish immigrants had immigrated to Palestine. By 1928, another 100,000 plus had arrived, raising the Jewish population to 16%. This was all before WWII even kicked off.
Again, the policy is oh so very well established. I highly recommend Pappe’s book for anyone who really wants the truth about the roots of this conflict.

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By Ribber, March 7, 2009 at 12:52 am Link to this comment

The Jews waltz in to this “land without a people, for a people without a land”, completely ignoring the Arabs that lived there. Now they are attempting to cleanse an ethnicity from the land. How can any nation that fought against the WWII Axis openly support such actions??

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By Folktruther, March 7, 2009 at 12:44 am Link to this comment

Guacamaya-Comments like Jason’s exist because the American media historically has been Zionist and simply report Israeli and American aggression as Defense.  As if the Palsstinians are attacking the Israelis, or Iraqis are attacking the Americans.

This truth inversion is repeated incessantly, forcefully, consistently in all the media, and persisstently over time, and creates a truth consensus that makes the reality-based truth so unfamiliar that it appears surreal and grotesque.

Consequently, many Americans can’t see, and don’t want to see, what is invisible in plain sight.  Psychologists have started using the term ‘gaslighting’ for this pheneomena, the distortion of our sense of political reality.

It occurs because of the vividness of TV, the use of specialized advertising techniques in political discourse, and the centralization of all the mass media into a few magacorporations.  Certain Sacred Truths dominates the truth consensus created by the media, and one voice stating the contrary reality-based truth is isolated as being crazy.

Israel, with US support, has been stealing the land, homes, businesses, resources, etc of the Palestinians and have been trying to break their spirit with massacres committed in plain sight.  But many Americans cannot connect the ethnic cleansing with the Palestinians fighting back, any military resisstence being conceived in the mainstream truth as fanatical violence and unreasonable terrorism. 

Just as Iran is conceived as Terrorist for developing nuclear power when threatened by Israel with hundreds of nuclear weapons and the US with thousands.

The American people cannot make the simple power connections conceptually, the historical patterns, because they go contrary to the preconceptions and presuppositions underlying the mainstream truth.  Many Americans will still repeat Jason’s absurdities, but in a decreasing number as the world media seeps into the American communication sphere.

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By James, March 6, 2009 at 6:22 pm Link to this comment
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Fadel Abdallah, you reminds me of Nazi propaganda.

I was wondering if you guys were still around. I was beginning to think you were extinct. Guess not. What a shame.

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By guacamaya, March 6, 2009 at 4:24 pm Link to this comment

Many like Jason!! haven’t a clue what is really going on and just repeat the Zionist propaganda from their media and never ask themselves WHY are they firing rockets?
The Israeli’s have built nearly 300 illegal settlements on Palestine owned land which occupy strategic hilltop positions or water supplies. These are connected with a highway system which Palestinians are not allowed to use. They have in effect occupied Palestine and made Palestinians 2nd class citizens in their own country. Many of the displaced now live in Gaza, under humiliating conditions, in the word’s largest prison. And so is it any wonder that they voted for Hamas?
Here in Europe we know what is going on and Americans should be ashamed for being an accomplice in the Gaza war crimes because they not only paid for it but their silence during it was deafening.
The veteran Jewish lawmaker, Sir Gerald Kaufman, member of the British parliament, a lifelong Zionist and personal friend of practically every Israeli president, recently made a speech in parliament in which he called those responsible for the bombing of Gaza .... “War criminals” and like the Nazis who forced my family to flee from Poland. He also called for a complete British ban on arms sales to Israel. A video of it can be seen at http://tinyurl.com/a2lek5.

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By Folktruther, March 6, 2009 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

There were nearly 2000 people killed and 5000 maimed during the Gaza invasion according to the offical figures.  It has been documented that most of them were women and children.  Along with destroying people’s homes and businesses, Israel was beginning to solve the demographic problem.

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By Jason!!, March 6, 2009 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

Simple solution. Stop attacking Israel.

Stop the bombings, the rockets and the call for her destruction.

Arabs received 99% of the land under the British Mandate that created Isreal. Land was formerly held by Turks where both Jews and Arabs lived. They were fine with what was given and deserve what was taken after the Arabs attacked them.

I say give Israel 50% land! That would be fair.

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By Spiritgirl, March 6, 2009 at 1:17 pm Link to this comment

As a parent with an over-indulged child, the US has allowed Israel way too much support for Israeli aggression!  The fact that no reporters, or aid agencies, and even the boatload of humanitarian aid was allowed to get thru to the Palestinians - should have been more than enough ammunition for the rest of the world to call a halt to Israeli terrorism!  Unfortunately, it is not!  The non-reporting by most of the major newspapers in this country to adequately report on the real terrorists in this debacle speaks volumes!

I don’t want to just hear the words of condemnation, what needs to happen is aid to Israel needs to stopped and divestment from Israel needs to commence!  It is not enough to speak without backing it up with real actions!  Palestinians have been living under terrorist occupation since 1948!  The fact that the Israelis want to drive the Palestinians out of lands that they were on before the Ashkanazi Jews were brought into those lands, doesn’t mean that the Palestinians should just abdicate their land!  The Israelis are both selfish and foolhardy - and don’t realize that their very actions are inciting the violence that they claim they abhor!

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By david colvey, March 6, 2009 at 12:02 pm Link to this comment
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Can someone defend the u.s. spending $900m, in these times, to clean up the blood-thirsty israelis mess?

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By eileen fleming, March 6, 2009 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

“Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one.” - H. L. Mencken

Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian doctor in Gaza said just days after Israel began its attack on Gaza:

“This is all out war on a civilian population”


On 2 February 2009, The Lancet Medical Journal’s Global Health Network online published Dr Swee Ang and Dr Ghassan Abu Sitta’s ‘The Wounds of Gaza’

http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1197&Itemid=215


It begins: Two Surgeons from the UK, Dr Ghassan Abu Sittah and Dr Swee Ang, managed to get into Gaza during the Israeli invasion. Here they describe their experiences, share their views, and conclude that the people of Gaza are extremely vulnerable and defenseless in the event of another attack.


On 2 March, the Journal removed the article (though The Lancet Student still has it), stating: “We have taken down the blog post The Wounds of Gaza because of factual inaccuracies.”

No specific faults or amendments to the alleged inaccuracies are suggested.

The reader comments, overwhelmingly in support, remain posted.

A letter penned by four Israelis that objected to the article was published on February 18.

Dr Swee responds to this development and elaborates:

http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1214&Itemid=218

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By haspeneigh, March 6, 2009 at 11:32 am Link to this comment
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If the qassam rockets weren’t being launched, Israel itself would launch them, in order to have some meager defense for their genocidal excesses.  This is probably the case in fact.

A few years back one group of Israeli settlers launched a few qassam rockets.  The story went away, then not long after, the rockets were all ‘Hamas’ evil doing.

There is a well established policy of ethnic cleansing that goes back to the British mandate of Palestine, the formation of the terrorist Irgun gangs, which eventually gave rise to the founding of the state of Israel.

Look at the history of ethnic cleansing that the zionists have engaged in.  The qassams are a false flag, as is so much else that is used to justify Israeli and American belligerence in the region.

The only thing that will resolve these prolonged atrocities are war crimes tribunals, unfortunately there won’t be a real ICT war crimes trial until American and British enabling of zionist war crimes can be effectively opposed.

Some other power will have to rise, with the strength to bring the west to heel, in order to have some justice in the region.  Unfortunately it is all too likely the situation will resolve only through rough justice.

God have mercy on us, the mad supremacist colonialism of the zionists puts the whole world at risk, all for yet another violent revolutionary world messianic vision that has complete enslaved the west.

“they believe that they must rule, who are only chosen to serve”

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 6, 2009 at 10:58 am Link to this comment

From END THE OCCUPATION Site- Part 2
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From State Department Daily Press Briefing
February 25, 2009

For the complete transcript and video, please click here.
 
QUESTION: But can you imagine any circumstance under which pasta could be considered a dual-use item? Or is there some—you know, is rigatoni somehow going to be used as a weapon? (Laughter.)
MR. WOOD: I’m not involved in those discussions, so I -
QUESTION: Well, I mean—I mean, it just seems to be absurd on the face of it, if that’s what happening.
MR. WOOD: Well, there are people on the ground who are dealing with these issues. And I think we should leave it—
QUESTION: Dealing with the pasta dual-use issue?
QUESTION: Yeah, can you take a question on the pasta, please?
MR. WOOD: I’m not going to take the question on the pasta—
QUESTION: Why?
MR. WOOD:—because it’s -
QUESTION: Well, the United States is obviously pushing it, so obviously it’s something—
MR. WOOD: We’re trying to get humanitarian supplies in - on the ground to the people in Gaza .
QUESTION: Do you think food is a humanitarian supply?
MR. WOOD: Food certainly is.
QUESTION: All kinds of food?
MR. WOOD: I - I’m not able to tell you from here whether it -
QUESTION: Can you get a - can you take the question of what kind of food that the U.S. thinks is a humanitarian supply?
MR. WOOD: I’m not going to take that question, because I don’t think it’s a legitimate question.
QUESTION: You don’t think it’s legitimate that the Palestinians need certain foods and is - should Israel decide what food the Palestinians need?
MR. WOOD: I’m sorry, Elise, I’m not going to - I’ve spoken on it.”

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 6, 2009 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

Folktruther, March 6 at 2:38 pm #
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Dear Folktruther,
I agree with your assessment of the situation, and I, like you, am pissed off by the so-called diplomacy of Hilary Clinton. Here’s below a piece from the END OF OCCUPATION Site, criticizing Clinton’s continued misguided policies:
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“Is Pasta a Weapon?  Ask Secretary of State Clinton!

Lately, the State Department has been…um…fumbling for the right words to describe Israel ‘s illegal blockade of the occupied Gaza Strip.

Just look at this ludicrous exchange (above) between a reporter and State Department spokesperson Robert Wood at a press briefing last week. 
Discussing whether pasta is a dual-use weapon might be funny were it not for the fact that Israel‘s illegal blockade of the occupied Gaza Strip is barely keeping 1.5 million people at survival levels. 

Meanwhile, earlier this week, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton pledged $900 million in U.S. aid at the International Conference in Support of the Palestinian Economy for the Reconstruction of Gaza. 
At first glance, this pledge seems fair given that U.S. military aid to Israel was responsible for the destruction of an estimated $2 billion in Palestinian civilian infrastructure.

But, look closer at the pledge, and you’ll find that not one dollar is devoted to the reconstruction of the occupied Gaza Strip.  Instead, the money, if approved by Congress, will go towards humanitarian aid ($300 million), budgetary support for the Palestinian Authority ($200 million), and economic and institutional reforms in the West Bank ($400 million).
 
Worse yet, in her speech to the donor’s conference, Clinton made no mention of ending Israel ‘s illegal military occupation of the Gaza Strip.
Here are some suggested questions for the Secretary of State, or write your own:

* UN Security Council Resolution 1860 “Calls for the unimpeded provision and distribution throughout Gaza of humanitarian assistance, including of food, fuel and medical treatment.”  What are you doing to ensure that Israel complies with this resolution?
* President Obama stated that “Gaza’s border crossings should be open to allow the flow of aid and commerce.”  What are you doing to end Israel’s illegal blockade of the Gaza Strip?
* Rep. Dennis Kucinich has requested that the State Department investigate Israel’s possible violations of the Arms Export Control Act during its recent war on Gaza.  Could you please state what your department is doing to ensure that this investigation is conducted in an accurate and transparent manner?
* State Department spokesperson Robert Wood was unclear if the United States considers pasta a dual-use weapon.  Could you state your opinion on whether Israel should be allowed to control what types of food Palestinians in the Gaza Strip eat?
Also, be sure to read Amnesty International’s report, “Fueling Conflict: Foreign Arms Supplies to Israel/Gaza,” released on February 23. In the report, Amnesty International details the role U.S. weapons played in Israel ‘s recent war on the occupied Gaza Strip and calls for an arms embargo.”

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By Folktruther, March 6, 2009 at 10:38 am Link to this comment

the invasion of Gaza and the starvation blockade was supported by all the major Israeli parties, as it was by both Bush and, tacitly, Obama. The Israeli destruction of the population’s homes, businesses and public buildings were intended to punish the population for supporting Hamas and to get them to understand that, in a general’s words, “they are a defeated people.”

That is why US-Israel is so hysterical about the Palestinian lobbing of shells toward Isarel.  It is an act of defiance that indicates that there is military resistence.  The US-Israel support the puppet Abbis and arm and train his grouplet to repress the Palestinians, as Israel previous armed and trained the Lebanese Christian Falange.

Abbis is so discredited among his own people that his elected term expired and he couldn’t be elected dogcatcher, so US-Israel is just ignoring that his term expired and pretending that he is still President.

Clinton was recently there stating US policy as usual was for a two-sstate solution, while funding settlers in Palestine which makes the two-state solution impossible. The new regime has publically announced that it is going to destroy hundreds more of Palestinian homes.  The US position, as of most Americans Zionists, is to state they are against it while providing money and weapons to do it.

The US is stating that it is providing nearly a billion dollars for rehabilitation, not one cent going to Gaza.  The right wing government of Israel no longer even pretends to adhere to the two-state solution and is frankly for ethnic cleansing.

This is embarassing for American Zionists who pretend, whith the American govement, that they are for the two-state solution while operatively supporting Israeli ethnic cleansing.

    BOYCOTT ISRAEL—NO ETHNIC CLEANSING

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