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 That’s Why They Call It DiplomacyPosted on Mar 3, 2009
The chances of peace in the Middle East over the next four to eight years have something to do with what Hillary Clinton is able to achieve there. We’re getting a first glimpse this week, as Clinton makes overtures to Syria, Iran and the Palestinians while trying not to threaten Israel’s BFF status. The situation is complicated by the fact that the conservative Benjamin Netanyahu will probably emerge as Israel’s next prime minister, with debts to ultranationalist and religious fundamentalist parties. That’s not a recipe for a two-state solution. During her trip, Clinton termed the movement toward such a solution “inescapable.”
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By P. T., March 4, 2009 at 11:22 am Link to this comment
Imperialism, not religious camouflage, is the heart of the problem.
Report thisBy JFoster2k, March 4, 2009 at 11:11 am Link to this comment
It seems that every post so far has missed the true heart of the matter and the impediment to any solution; military, diplomatic or otherwise…
Religon.
The fundamemtal religious dogma espoused by every faction in the mideast dictates eradication of those with different ideologies. How do we ever hope to have peace when the theoratic governments in the region espouse a belief that they have a holy mandate for genocide?
Whether Islamic, Christian or Jew, all of their “holy books” are filled with barbaric and murderous doctrines. As long as government policies are influenced (or dictated) by primitive religious mythology there will be no peace. There is no reasoning, bargaining or compromising with “The will of God”.
Report thisBy P. T., March 4, 2009 at 10:30 am Link to this comment
Hillary Clinton was silent about Israeli settlements. Click on http://www.democracynow.org/2009/3/4/headlines#2
Part of the problem is the Christian fundamentalists that dislike Jews but love Israel.
Sorry about the misspelling of “tragedy” in my first post.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, March 4, 2009 at 9:40 am Link to this comment
P. T., March 3 at 5:29 pm #
It is a sham. If Hillary Clinton were serious, she would bring up the matter of the settlements.
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She did. Specifically criticizing efforts to establish settlements in East Jerusalem.
Now all the TDer’s here who have always insisted that President Obama and Secretary Clinton were thralls of Israel are seeing (and denying) a very different scenario that’s unfolding.
Clinton says a 2-state solution is inevitable, and it’s Netanyahu who’s hemming and hawing and shuffling his feet, knowing damn well expansionism isn’t going to fly, nor is a Palestinian state that is a non-state.
See, Dumbya ignored the Israel/Palestine situation for years until, like everything else, it blew up in Dumbo’s face, then tried to muscle and fake his way through it—with non-results.
Hillary, OTOH, was part and parcel to Bill’s attempts to get SOMETHING GOING—that Dumbya dropped the ball on (like he did on terrorist investigations up through 9/10/2001).
Getting people talking and moving is a big step, one “The Decider” and his Condi couldn’t bring about—nobody trusted them, not in Jerusalem, not in Damascus, not in Gaza, not in Peoria, not in DC.
Report thisBy PJS, March 4, 2009 at 8:44 am Link to this comment
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Israel is a bully funded by the US. Their lobby is the most powerful in our country. The only way to get somewhat impartial news is to consult foreign news organizations—the US press seems beholden to them, too. Anyone who wonders what the Israeli’s agenda is in Palestine need look no further than to quotes by their own government leaders.
Listen to what some influential Jews have said about the Palestinians…
“All of the Palestinians must be killed: men, women, infants and even their beasts” - Rabbi Yisrael Rosen, director Tsomet Institute, Israeli ‘Haaretz’
“We must use terror, assassination, land confiscation and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population” Israel Koenig, ‘The Koenig Memorandum’
“Let’s hope for a new war with the Arab countries so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space” Moshe Dayan, ‘Israel’s Sacred Terrorism’
“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country.”—David Ben Gurion, the founder and first Prime Minister of israel
It is important that the Palestinians “are made to understand, in the deepest recesses of their consciousness, that they are a defeated people.” - Moshe Yaalon, Chief of Staff of the Israel Defense Forces in 2002
“Joined a fighting organization.” - Ehud Barak (current Israeli Defence Minister) (In answer to a question from the reporter Gideon Levy in 1999 about what he would have done if he had been born Palestinian)
Report thisBy HF101, March 4, 2009 at 8:14 am Link to this comment
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Very twisted sentiments indeed, add a touch of venom and Viola! Fake-ass, Hollywood loving yet Jew hating liberals revealed! who knew? Meshuganas! Gayn Cacken Ofn yam!
Report thisBy Jason!!, March 4, 2009 at 6:59 am Link to this comment
Wow. So much hate towards the Jews. Why?
Arabs have 99.9 % of the land. The same land the jews have always lived on. Israel is a tiny sliver.
They have been under attack ever since the British mandate.
You don’t protest the arab countries created by this but you protest the creation and support of Israel?
Palestine? What a joke. You’re a nazi clan propagating nazi lies.
Report thisBy Sepharad, March 4, 2009 at 12:38 am Link to this comment
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PT—Hillary Clinton probably is serious because a resolution of Israel/Arab conflict is important to America in many ways (less irritating to our sources of oil until we get off it, and peace in that region is far less expensive than war). She probably did bring up the settlements in conversation with Tzipi Livni, who said she’d remove them even if it took a civil war to do it and also regarded sharing Jerusalem as negotiable. But it looks like Netanyahu will become PM so Clinton is pressing the two-state solution (which he is not exactly in favor of no matter what he says for publicity now) because it really is the only possible road to peace, to some kind of fairness, to a normal life for Palestinians, now in their third-generationhood as professional refugees. Netanyahu has said he favors building up PA economically, which is something we should encourage, as the Palestinians need all the help they can get in developing economic institutions as well as governing and educational infrastructure.
It’s easy to dismiss everything as tragedy-then-farce if you are safely ensconced abroad and not one of the people forced to live through the experience. It is, in fact, despicable to be clever at the Palestinians’ or Israelis’ expense: they both have some very hard decisions to make, and will both have to make painful concessions.
Report thisBy Ed Harges, March 3, 2009 at 9:56 pm Link to this comment
I suspect that Israel’s ability to generate overwhelming support for itself by deluding the American public on a massive scale may be a bit like the erstwhile ability of the financial industry to generate wealth by similar means of mass delusion, self-delusion, and disinformation: it will keep working very well, right up until the day when it suddenly stops working, and the whole fraud collapses virtually overnight, with an astonishing and ruinous ferocity.
And Israel’s American devotees will be shaking their heads and saying — as Bush did last September to his advisors after they explained the mortgage meltdown to him — “How did we get here?”
Report thisBy P. T., March 3, 2009 at 7:19 pm Link to this comment
Norman Finkelstein on Zionist terrorism—click on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIr4lEIqTkM
Report thisBy KPinSEA, March 3, 2009 at 5:21 pm Link to this comment
Although we’re seeing real change in some areas of government, this isn’t one of them and there was never any reason to believe it would be, no matter which Democrat was elected President.
We are Israel’s cheerleader, bodyguard, publicist and apologist. No one in the region is under any illusion that anything about that will change in our lifetime, and whichever government is in power in Israel, it will act with impunity secure in the knowledge that we’ve got their back, and are writing another big check next fiscal year.
Report thisBy dr wu, March 3, 2009 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment
Hillary Cinton represents a US policy towards the middle east that is both a tragedy and a farce. Tragic in that she wont talk to the Hamas terrorists but will talk to the Israeli terrorists. Farce because she wont stop the illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Jerusalem.
Current US Israel policy: preach a 2 state solution but practice the creeping erasure of the Palestinian people.
Report thisBy Big B, March 3, 2009 at 3:36 pm Link to this comment
Hillary is proving to be just like Madeline Albright, if Albright were a man.
Report thisBy Jason!!, March 3, 2009 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment
“History always repeats itself. The first time is trajedy. The second time is farce.”
Yes. You must see this:
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/
Report thisBy artie, March 3, 2009 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment
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Obama pledged allegence to Israel, and the Congress is totaly under Israel’s thumb. Clinton is running for President, posturing and grabbing headlines- wonderful chicanery. It’s a great show.
Report thisBy P. T., March 3, 2009 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment
It is a sham. If Hillary Clinton were serious, she would bring up the matter of the settlements.
As Karl Marx pointed out: History always repeats itself. The first time is trajedy. The second time is farce.
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