I should add that the usual argument against the gas chambers is that the external windows and doors were of the normal kind. All this indicates is that there must have been a sealed room inside.  Was there?  This is the crucial question.

Williamson belongs to the Mel Gibson wing of traditional Catholocism, which was anti-Semitic.  As was Martin Luther, the original founder of Protestantism.  Zionists confliate anti-Zioionism, the argument against Jewish power, particularly Israeli power, with anti-Semitism, bigotry against the Jewish people.

In the extreme cas, Zionists like Inherit maintain that any ideological tradition that is not Zionist, like socialism,  is anti-Semetic.  They are infected by Aipac drivel.

This confusion between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism is also rampant among anti-Semites, inflected with the religous tradition, who ignore the distinction.  Conseqauently there is an honest ideological confusion in the American population.

Wow, Dihey, your dad must have been one tough mother.

Thanks Folktruther

Other groups of victims of the Nazi murders were political opponents: Communists, Socialists, Jehova Witnesses and others. Also homosexuals.

It is true that their numbers were considerably smaller than those of Jews murdered and that they were not gassed en masse. However Communists and Socialists were murdered long before any Jew was murdered for being a Jew. The first camp where such opponents were either shot or worked to death was the infamous “Moor Camp” on the Lueneburger Heide in Germany which was started in 1933 already.

For the Nazis there was not much of a difference between a Jew and a political opponent. Both were deemed to be varmint that needed to be eradicated. That is simply forgotten/ignored in the Jewish community which I resent.

I know because my dad was in this group (and a Jew too). He was arrested in 1933, survived prison, and then from 1936 Dachau, Buchenwald, Auschwitz-Monowitz, and Buchenwald again where he was liberated in April 1945.

His younger brother was “shot while trying to flee”. Was his deliberate murder any less atrocious than that of Anne Frank?

Frankly, I do not believe in history as it has been handed down to us. It is a gargantuan mess. Hitler, Stalin, Roosevelt, Churchill, Bush et all tried to change it. The rulers before them did it. And the rulers before them did it. And the “Church” did it, when it replaced John with Jesus, and most of us who are Christians take the word of the church for God’s truth, even though most of us were baptized before we could speak. Which is to say, I am not with the bishop because he is necessarily right, but because since its inception the state of Israel has tried to change history against the Palestinians, and I do not feel secure that the Jewish version of history is trustworthy. Perhaps a true version of history has to wait for a history written post-B.C.

Yeah, you’e right, Dihey, there were an estimated half million Roma killed by the Nazis.  Gore Vidal relates that when an actor pointed this out to a Zionist director,  the director replied, “ah, but there were sic milliion Jews.”  The actor responded, “what are you, in real estate.” 

Gore, it is not incidentally to note, who has been attacked by Zionists for being anti-Semitic, had a life partner for half a century who was Jewish.  He has consistenly been anti-racism his whole life.

Allen Gurfunckle—I don’t lie and I am anti-Zionist.  However proving you wrong is not one of my life’s goals. And I don’t watch TV, film, or listen to speeches, or even have the pacience to edit my comments.

There is indeed anti-semistism in the world and historically in the Church, as Purplegirl has pointed out.  The right wing, the wing that the anti-semitic Mel Gibson and his father belong to, in addition to being anti-Zionist, is also anti-Semtitic.

Anti-Semites are increasingly dingbats of one kind or another.  However that doesn’t maean that some of the things that they say are not true.  As I’ve said before, present your case.  It would be sstronger if you observed the distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-Ssemitism.

In discussions about the holocaust it is almost never pointed out that the Nazis also got busy killing all Rom (a.k.a. Gypsies). The Western world teems with monuments about the Jewish holocaust. To the best of my knowledge there is only one monument for the plight of the Gypsies anywhere in the world. It is on the Museumplein in Amsterdam/Netherlands. My kudos to the Dutch.

The Germans have no monuments for the killed Gypsies but a gigantic one for the Jewish holocaust in Berlin. That is hypocritical.

There is also no monument for the gassed Gypsies in our country so let’s stop getting all worked up about a rotten priest and take a good look at our own shortcomings.

Has the world succumbed to holocaust propaganda? I think it has.

Fred Leuchter’s technique in gathering his samples was wrong, and as such, produced poor data.  The rest of his issues regarding Auschwitz were just as bad. 

But honestly, if you are actually swayed by the holocaust deniers, you are most likely not the brightest bulb to start with.

“Sorry You Feel that Way” Is NEVER an Apology!
having been Raised Catholic I can attest it was always the View (teachings) that the Jews Killed Christ Not the Romans. Gee I wonder why the ROMAN Catholic Church would Choose to point the finger at the very Community Jesus was born into. They Never Emphasized Jesus was a Jew, they preferred to make him the first of the ‘New’ Faith, Focused on his Rampage against the moneychangers in the Temple Square, instead of his numerous adherences to Jewish law.Jesus never denied his Faith, he only rebelled against the hypocrisy of it’s Religious leaders who had appeased the ‘peagan’ Roman Empire.
Jesus was born a Jew and Died a Jew! If Mary was Virgin, and Jesus was the Son of God- God chose a Jewish Woman to bless with His ‘seed’.He ‘anointed’ the Jewish Religion with this Messenger, as He apparently had every other time.
The Catholics and all the other sects bore out of it are Just as Guilty of Persecuting the Jewish Community as the Roamn Pagans and the later Muslims.How can You Accept Jesus ‘into Your Heart’ when you deny his real faith?
The ROMAN Catholic Chruch has Far more to Apologize fro than this One Holocaust Denier.Besides Wheres “Pope” Ratz Apology for being a Nazi Youth? Nothing more than Deceivers and Deniers with diamonds on the Soles of their Shoes

Every religious institution in Germany supported Hitler, and the Roman Catholic church in particular gave him a free pass.

As Phil Sheridan said,“The only good christian I ever saw was dead.”

the good Bishop belongs to the anti-Semitic Mel Gibson wing of the church, for all I know he may be a child raping pediophile, but he has the right to argue any fucking truth position he wishes, as long as he wants and as loud as he wants.

My grandparents were killed by the Nazies but, who knows, maybe not by gas chambers for all I know.  I wasn’t there.  It’s hard to know who is worse in this situation, the Zionists, the pope or the Bishop.  But they all can argue whatever historical position they want, AND CAN’T SHUT EACH OTHER UP.  But of course no one has to listen.

But I would.  I’m a sucker for this kind of thing.

There are other tragic narratives of eternal victimization than the Hebraic one….
How many millenia must I endure this one ?

Religions are here to keep us from having a religious experience.
Jung

The catholics, as well as all other christian derivatives, should thank the jews for killing Jesus. After all, without the image of the agonizing death of Jesus, and all the guilt laden mumbo-jumbo that surrounds it, none of us “good christians” would have church to go to on sunday.

Besides, the catholic church is singularly responsible for the on going holocost on the African continent, as well as the abject poverty that most central and south americans live in every day. Instead of preaching that “be fruitful and multiply” bullshit to poor nations without an infrastucture or educational system, they should have been teaching birth control, farming, and the concept of taking responsibility for your actions. But that’s not how catholics work. They are as bad as the muslims. Keep opressing your women and pumping out rugrats so you will always outnumber the other religions. Who cares if overpopulation eventually causes famine in these stupidity ridden shit hole countries.

Because a dead catholic baby is better than no baby at all.

Why do people still listen to this bullshit?

“Germany is considering a warrant for Bishop Williamson’s arrest.”

Germany can also get stuffed.

Of course Williamson is barking mad. And completely wrong.

But the Germans can find someone else to persecute. And something else useful to do. Like criticising Israel for slaughtering 1400 civilians, including 460 children and for refusing to allow aid to the beleaguered Palestinians in the concentration camp that is Gaza.

The Germans didn’t bother until now about this ‘thought crime’ and Williamson’s contravention of their draconian-to-outsiders law against free speech. However despicable and however plainly stupid that speech. Why are they jumping on the bandwagon now? The crimes of Israel with real human being - Gazans - actually slaughtered in a genocide are a lot more important.

Germany’s actions at this time appear more akin to pandering to the worldwide rabid Zionist lobby than to any principled course of action. Perhaps to distract the world from Gaza and Israel’s crimes. What a surprise. Not.