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Ear to the Ground

Some Governors May Tell Obama to Stuff It

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Posted on Feb 22, 2009
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While just about every state in the Union is starving for funds, a small band of Republican governors is debating whether or not to reject the stimulus bill’s cash infusion, citing concerns over future taxes. This California editor says good. Give their stimulus money to my state. It’s broke.

The governors of Mississippi, Louisiana, South Carolina, Idaho and Alaska are all considering whether to opt out of the deal. Yes, that means that Sarah Palin, pictured, who spent time in Washington lobbying for stimulus money, might reject stimulus money. She certainly hasn’t lost her sense of humor.

AP via Google:

Gov. Mark Sanford, R-S.C., has criticized the stimulus plan, as has Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the party’s 2008 vice presidential nominee who traveled to Washington last month to press for her state’s share of the money. Palin, busy with her state’s legislative session, did not attend the NGA meeting.

Some Democrats took a harder line Saturday at a press conference arranged by the Democratic Governors Association to praise Obama for his leadership on the stimulus. DGA Chairman Brian Schweitzer of Montana and Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley dismissed GOP detractors as “fringe” Republicans eager to score political points.

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By JFoster2k, February 25, 2009 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

As usual with TDer’s, many of you have nailed this one dead on. Rather than parroting, I just have to quote a few of you…

P. T.,
“Watch the Republican governors posture, then take the money in the end.”

Sans,
“Where were the idiots while their party destroyed the economy? For eight years nothing. The conservatives want to keep on doing what has not worked (tax cuts). That is the very definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome.”

Bobar:
“My Momma would have said, “that’s cutting off your nose to spite your face.  Those Governors are chosing their politics before considering the people That seems to be business as usual for the Republicans.”

And my favorite…

noctilucent,
“The headline should read: REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS ACCEPT 99.9% OF STIMULUS MONEY”

(ITW and Will, you are insightful as ever, but you write too much to just pick out one quick quote)

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By Inherit The Wind, February 24, 2009 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

I just got a brilliant idea:

Any state governor that rejects the stimulus plan should be subjected to an IMMEDIATE recall election. If he/she wins, they get to keep their job and that state is permanently ineligible for stim $$$ as that’s the will of the dumfukistani people living ther.

If he/she loses and are thrown out of office, then the people of that state have come to their senses and remain eligible for the Stim $$$.

In short—the people have to support, like a Cal. prop, their governor’s decision to reject the stim $$$.  If they don’t, he/she is gone!

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By cyrena, February 23, 2009 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment

By Bobar, February 23 at 3:38 am #
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My Momma would have said, “that’s cutting off your nose to spite your face. 

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Well Bobar, you mama would have been right. The problem of course is that it’s never really THEIR faces that are being spited, or their own noses being cut off. Or, at least they don’t realize that they’re screwing themselves at the time. They DO know that they’re screwing their constituents though, and….THEY DON’T CARE!!

Which is exactly why Louisiana and Mississippi at least, are in the condition they’re in now. The worst off of all of the states, (unless we look at Arkansas and large parts of Florida) in terms of EVERYTHING, including the physical and social infrastructure, are mostly occupied by people of color, and they simply don’t matter to repiglicans. We saw that both before and after Katrina.

The Army Corps of Engineers has long ago determined what would happen in such a storm…..the levees would break, and there would be mass destruction of human life and property. Nobody did a thing, because of the money it would have required to fix them, and besides, it was only New Orleans and black or brown people within it. Who cares?

Well, definitely not the repigs.

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By godistwaddle, February 23, 2009 at 10:01 am Link to this comment

Not a single registered Republican in a state where a representative or senator or governor inveighs against the stimulus should receive a cent.  Registered republicans voted this kind of filth into office, and they need to pay the price for their stupidity.

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By Allan Krueger, February 23, 2009 at 6:06 am Link to this comment

Sarah Palin & Joe The Plumber in 2012!

ROFLMAO!

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By Bobar, February 23, 2009 at 4:38 am Link to this comment
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My Momma would have said, “that’s cutting off your nose to spite your face.  Those Governors are chosing their politics before considering the people That seems to be business as usual for the Republicans.

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By Tony Wicher, February 23, 2009 at 1:19 am Link to this comment

Hurray for Gov. Schwartznegger, the only Republican I ever voted for in my life. He’s my kind of Republican.

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By Tony Wicher, February 23, 2009 at 1:17 am Link to this comment

I can’t believe Gov. Bobby Jindall especially. I mean, Louisianna? The state with New Orleans in it? This is beyond craziness. How in the hell did Louisiannans elect this idiot? I bet they regret it now. Fortunately Mayor Nagin of New Orleans will be happy to take any money Jindall doesn’t want, and Obama will be glad to give it to him.

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By Cravin Moorehead, February 22, 2009 at 11:30 pm Link to this comment
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The repug-lican campaign to dumb down Americans started with Nixon and continues to this day.  Their party is composed of the very rich and the very stupid.  Why else would the average American vote against his own best interest?

Their constant wars against public education, against middle income tax cuts, against labor laws that help the average working American as well as schemes to export all of our good jobs overseas, show their true colors.

It is high time to educate the public and ignore these political hacks.

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By cyrena, February 22, 2009 at 11:23 pm Link to this comment

By CJ, February 22 at 8:07 pm

•  “None of which means California’s governor, or state’s residents, has any right to the money, not after he and the state legislature—both elected by state’s residents—have run the state into the ground. It’s impossible to imagine a more incompetent bunch that those constituting California’s state government. (Not that reps at the federal level are much better.)”

Thanks for the post…very entertaining, but oh so sad as well. You’re right about the above of course, even though I swear it hasn’t always been this way. (such an incompetent bunch running our state government.)

I returned home just prior to the Davis recall, and that kicked off a nightmare. I’ve never been able to understand why any average resident would assume that Arnold could ‘govern’ anything! The man had no ‘administrative’ or other ‘leadership’ experience. Why the hell did my co-residents ever vote for him to begin with? Surely they couldn’t have known that he was up to his ass in the Enron fraud that ripped us off back in 2000?

Doesn’t matter…it’s the asylum that you describe.

But, thanks especially for your clarification here:

•  “I should apologize here for the term, “nut-job.” I’m especially sympathetic to the mentally ill, who continue to receive short shrift (since founding of the nation, both with respect to stigma and then with respect to adequate funding for adequate treatment). ..I mean by “nut-jobs” those who, though truly dissociative, then seek only to exploit. (Bernie Madoff, for instance, is a very sick man, but a destructively sick one, certainly responsible for his actions no matter his mental affliction.) I mean by “nut-jobs” those who go forth anyway, despite knowledge of mental illness. As opposed to seeking treatment or at least remaining to selves pending willingness and/or funds to enter into treatment. The not-so damnably ambitious among them.”

I know just whom you’re referencing here. There are lots of them among us. There’s only so much we can do, other than to exercise observation/awareness/diligence, etc, etc, and keep from becoming nut jobs ourselves.

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By RickinSF, February 22, 2009 at 10:40 pm Link to this comment
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I hate to admit it, but I’m with mein gübernator on this one.

Calif. GOP is a sorry lot with no ideas except to squat in the path and block anything else that might promise.

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By maria, February 22, 2009 at 10:21 pm Link to this comment
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So what else is new?  If they dont want the money, there are plenty out there with two hands extended.

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By CJ, February 22, 2009 at 9:07 pm Link to this comment

“’Fringe’ Republicans,” huh? More like extreme cases at an asylum teeming with otherwise run-of-the-mill nut-jobs. “United States of America” is name of asylum, individual states merely wings constituting structure.

Jindal and Barbour are, of course, fantasists bent on higher office, while in the case of Palin Alaskans don’t need the money, thanks to annual payouts to Alaskans by Exxon Mobil. (Only in Orwellian America are such payouts not regarded as pay-offs.)

None of which means California’s governor, or state’s residents, has any right to the money, not after he and the state legislature—both elected by state’s residents—have run the state into the ground. It’s impossible to imagine a more incompetent bunch that those constituting California’s state government. (Not that reps at the federal level are much better.)

As Ian Masters noted today, no trimming of the budget amount allotted state-prison system, by virtue of influence on the part of prison guards union—an overheated crew of would-be masters if ever there was one. Masters also rightly noted that prison guards are paid more than teachers.

What more is required as proof of willingness to be corrupted?

The cop-robber system is what prevails in California, most especially in LA, where Chief Bratton has lately been appearing in a political ad touting the LAPD. Apparently, some crime rates have fallen. Possibly because those who would and then did offend are by now locked up. (AG Jerry Brown is appealing federal judge’s order to release prisoners from overcrowded prisons. Apparently, even California can’t build prisons fast enough to accommodate “offenders.” I’m not myself offended by them for the most part. But then it’s true that I don’t stand to profit by imprisoning people. Calling the system what it really is: slavery by other means. Offend the state in any way, be reduced to slave at the mercy of—sadly enough—a member of organized labor in the form of prison guard.)

Any questions as to my contention that America is an asylum? Wherein only the most extreme cases could be dubbed by ordinary nut-jobs as “fringe”?

Meanwhile, Schwarzenegger (who was all over Sunday TV) has gotten taxes boosted on the poverty-stricken working class and what remains of the middle-class. He didn’t mention that, needless to say. But he DID talk a lot of how both Dems and Repubs need to listen to “the people.” Usual political claptrap, including of bipartisanship, which is just another word for collusion among ordinary nut-jobs who sometime ago gained control of the asylum.

I should apologize here for the term, “nut-job.” I’m especially sympathetic to the mentally ill, who continue to receive short shrift (since founding of the nation, both with respect to stigma and then with respect to adequate funding for adequate treatment).

I mean by “nut-jobs” those who, though truly dissociative, then seek only to exploit. (Bernie Madoff, for instance, is a very sick man, but a destructively sick one, certainly responsible for his actions no matter his mental affliction.) I mean by “nut-jobs” those who go forth anyway, despite knowledge of mental illness. As opposed to seeking treatment or at least remaining to selves pending willingness and/or funds to enter into treatment. The not-so damnably ambitious among them.

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By Sans, February 22, 2009 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment
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Where were the idiots while their party destroyed the economy? For eight years nothing. The conservatives want to keep on doing what has not worked (tax cuts). That is the very definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome.

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By purplewolf, February 22, 2009 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

This was on Countdown already Thursday or Friday night. So what if these Repug claim they will refuse the stimulus money, they will be over-ridden by those “other elected by and for the people”, people who will see to it that those states still get their hands on that stimulus money anyway. By refusing to take the monies, these same repugs, who are all planning on running in 2012 from what I have heard, think it will earn them brownie points with the public by denying the funding and in some cases it might. But others who know what the real facts are behind this false claim won’t be fooled by this charade.

Besides, Sarah is charging the taxpayers of Alaska $60.00 everytime she goes out for a photo opt, shows up to an event her family is participating in, does an interview from her home, talks to media people from her home and a few other things she has granted herself for all the “hard non-earned” things she does from home, that are advancing her bid for the 2012 run at the W.H. and not actual work on running the state of current Alaskan affairs. I am surprised she does not have a rate chart with various amounts for different tasks, unless it is easier to keep them all the same. Now that’s devious. She is not about to let any monies go elsewhere when she has plans for it already. Someone has to pay for all those t-shirts she had printed up and it isn’t going to come out of HER MONEY.

Just like the bridge to nowhere that she claims she refused the money for, after she already took the monies to start the same bridge to nowhere with in the first place.

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By Will C. Justice, February 22, 2009 at 8:00 pm Link to this comment
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THE MORTGAGE RESCUE PLAN AND THE CONSERVATIVE UNDERGROUND
By Will C. Justice
They’re at it again.  You can hear them on hate radio and hate TV, venting about socialism and bailouts for the irresponsible.
They urge their disciples to bombard politicians, creating an illusion that they are a massive populist majority.

In reality they are the right-wing fringe, comprised of a few million obedient souls with lots of hate in their hearts and time on their hands.

These are the people who murmured ne’er a word about the billions and billions sent off to Iraq. 

These are the ones who wanted “business-friendly” regulations, which worked beautifully for Enron, Madoff, and assorted mining companies. 
These are the laissez-faire people.  For the most part, they call themselves Republicans, although some say they are libertarians, apparently not knowing that they really sound like Russian anarchists. 

Oh, they can be pious!  They make their mortgage payments, and are outraged that deadbeats get special breaks at the government’s expense.

Deadbeats? Is that what one should call the unlucky millions who’ve lost their jobs during recent dreadful months?  Over 680,000 “deadbeats” last month alone.  Could losing their jobs be the real reason they are losing their homes? 

Do these people not know that when a ship sinks, the good and the bad do down with it?
Do they not know that those who drown will be those who faithfully made their mortgage payments, as well as those who couldn’t or didn’t? 
Do they not know that if there’s a foreclosure sign in front of one’s neighbor’s house, that it adversely affects the value of one’s own house?

Do these people not know that this nation has a long and successful experience subsidizing mortgages?  Like the G.I. loan. 

Oh, these people would probably call the G.I. mortgages socialism, too, because the government intervened on behalf of its citizens.  But those subsidized mortgages created an American middle class of home owners.

Now there’s an idea.  Why not a new G.I.mortgage, with low-interest and low closing costs for veterans of Viet Nam and Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan, and firefighters, and police, and teachers?  And why not make those mortgages truly assumable, the way G.I loans and many other mortgages used to be. 

Do the people who so hate, discord, and doubt not know that they are making the problem worse?  Do they not know that the economy will not revive until Americans believe that it’s safe for banks to make loans again, and safe for consumers to spend and borrow again? 

Fortunately, fewer and fewer take the hatemongers seriously.  They did everything in the 2008 election to smear and deceive and discredit. And they failed. 

One would think that they learned their lesson.  Perhaps they did.  They discovered that you CAN fool SOME of the people all of the time.  And they discovered that some of the people can make a lot of ugly noise.

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By noctilucent, February 22, 2009 at 7:23 pm Link to this comment

Okay, so Jindal says he’ll turn down $100 Million of the Unemployment money in his $3.8 BILLION stimulus package, or 0.26%.  And Haley Barbour says he’ll turn down $50 Million of his $2.6 BILLION package, or 0.19%. 

So not only are they hypocrites, but they’re cruel to their own citizens. 

The headline should read:  REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS ACCEPT 99.9% OF STIMULUS MONEY

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By coppermine, February 22, 2009 at 5:52 pm Link to this comment
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Louisianna, S. Carolina, Alaska, Idaho, and Mississippi can all be controls to test the Republicans theory that we do not need a stimulus. They get nothing and continue on as they are. The other states get their share. If after two years these 5 states have successfully pulled themselves out of this recession they are exempt from paying Federal taxes for 10 years and I will join the GOP.
If they fail- well Dems now can add 5 more states to the blue wall. And all five govenors lose their pensions. It the least they can do after ruining the lives of millions of their citizens.
Oh and Gov Jindal- next time New Orleans is under water just deal with it yourself. I do not want my Fed. tax dollars used to rebuild anything in LA.

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By Inherit The Wind, February 22, 2009 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment

“Mississippi, Louisiana, South Carolina, Idaho and Alaska “

Every one of these states is already a welfare state, being subsidized by those wicked “blue” states.  For every dollar the citizens of these states sends to the Federal government in income taxes, that same government spends a lot more in their states.

In Mississippi’s case, they get back over $2 for every $1 in income tax paid. Idaho gets the least back—$1.21 for every dollar her citizens give the Federal Govt in income tax.

So I’m GLAD they are rejecting the stimulus package.  Why should THEY get to double-dip?  But notice that California ($0.78 back for every dollar) and Florida ($0.97 back for every dollar) have GOP governors that know their states NEED this money.

Yet again, GOP hypocrisy reigns supreme, except for a few principled people—a few responsible governors and 3 US Senators.

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By P. T., February 22, 2009 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment

Watch the Republican governors posture, then take the money in the end.

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By ocjim, February 22, 2009 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

While petty governors worry about their pitiful and insignificant political fortunes, their citizens—Republican or Democrat—are hurting, losing jobs, health care, worrying about shelter and food on their tables.

Out of principle, they could resign to have time to admire their profile in the mirror and raise the prospects for their citizens.

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