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Ear to the Ground

Rebutting the False Choice Between Security and Freedom

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Posted on Feb 16, 2009
U.S. Army / Staff Sgt. Jon Soucy

A U.S. soldier stands guard over one of Guantanamo Bay’s maximum-security cellblocks.

A three-year review of more than 40 countries has found that justice systems prior to 9/11 were perfectly capable of combating terrorism. The U.S. and Britain were especially opportunistic in their violations of human rights and international law and gave comfort by example to other abusive regimes, the International Commission of Jurists found.

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The report remarks upon the extent to which undemocratic regimes with poor human rights records have referred to counter-terror practices of countries like the US to justify their own abusive policies.

The report will make uncomfortable reading for many in governments on both sides of the Atlantic, says BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner.

The panel said the legal systems put in place after World War II were “well-equipped to handle current terror threats”.

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By Blackspeare, February 17, 2009 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment

If people comprehended what really happened after the first bombing of the WTC in 1993, they would be aghast.  It is correct that such terroristic crimes should be handled by the police under the criminal code.  But the set up of the US jurisprudence system creates road blocks and turf wars.  Each entity jealous of the other and each looking for notoriety and celebrity.  During the investigation of the 1993 WTC incident, the NY attorney general would not share information with the FBI who would not share information with the CIA.  If these barriers had not existed, 9-11 would have been nipped in the bud!!!!!

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By mike112769, February 17, 2009 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

Nelson: Exactly right and succinctly said.

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By photoshock, February 17, 2009 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

Richard East, I believe that the quote is, “A people who choose security over freedom, are worthy of neither freedom nor security.”
To this I would add a poem written by Walt Whitman during the Civil War of the US. It is entirely apropos for this time of lessening civil rights and declining involvement of the populace in their government.
“To the States”
“To the States or any one of them, or any city of the States, Resist much, Obey little,
Once unquestioning obedience, once fully enslaved,
Once fully enslaved, no nation, state, city of this earth, ever afterward resumes its liberty.”
We have seen the decline of the Bill of Rights, such that we, the people, no longer have a voice in the means of governance.  We are subject to warrantless
wiretapping, up to and including our emails, voice mails, also subject to secret searches by the FBI, based only upon suspicion of, and proximity to terror, all this with the approval of nearly all of the “people’s representatives.” 
The courts have played an extremely large part in the decline of our freedoms also. They have unceasingly given way to the Executive Branch of government, and ceded all the powers that they have requested. This has happened because of the failure of the people, to guard their liberties and freedoms,
we have not stood up and let ourselves be counted.
And we have reelected those people who have made it their business to listen to only those with large campaign contributions and lobbyists who make large campaign contributions on behalf of businesses that are raping this country of its resources and giving in return only ever tightening control of the populace.
We cannot stand much longer for the raping of our democracy for the purpose of our “security.”  If we do not voice our discontent, then we will lose the very freedoms that we granted ourselves in the Revolutionary War. Government is now too intrusive and making sure that we the people, do not rise up and let our voices be heard. One need only look at HR1955 to see how much we as the power of government have lost to the “representatives of the people.”
Be aware, this has not happened overnight, but will take effect if we do not speak out and let our voices
be heard in defense of our freedom.

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By cyrena, February 17, 2009 at 12:34 am Link to this comment

“The report will make uncomfortable reading for many in governments on both sides of the Atlantic, says BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner.

The panel said the legal systems put in place after World War II were “wellequipped
to handle current terror threats”. It said countries should use civilian legal systems to try suspects and “not resort to adhoc tribunals or military courts to try terror suspects”.

The report’s authors expressed concern at the lack of adequate safeguards in the use of control orders, the weakness of diplomatic assurances in relation to deportations and “excessive detention without charge”.

Well, it SHOULD make for uncomfortable reading for many governments on both sides of the Atlantic, because it is what it is. That is; the neocons lead by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld managed to CREATE and INCREASE the spread of global terror by approximately 700% since they did their coup in 2000. The figures may have adjusted upwards by now, since that was based on a report that Mother Jones ran back in I believe 2006.

This is the global havoc that the regime has managed to wreck over the past 8 years, and there’s still too much of their poisonous toxins lurking in our apparatus.

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By richard east, February 16, 2009 at 8:56 pm Link to this comment

The title of this dig reminds me of a quote by Benjamin Franklin:

“A people who security over freedom are worthy of neither security or freedom.”

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By PatrickHenry, February 16, 2009 at 5:50 pm Link to this comment

It all started when something other than the truth was reported and an opposing veiwpoint was absent.

http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-we-must-restore-fairness-doctrine.html

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