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Livni Surprises In Israel Election

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Posted on Feb 10, 2009
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Tzipi Livni, leader of the centrist Kadima party, took a slight lead in exit polls and early returns after Israelis voted Tuesday in parliamentary elections. However, with Likud a close second and a splinter ultraconservative party set to win about 15 seats, conservatives may be the real winners.

Update: Livni won, but just barely. With Likud winning almost as many seats, both sides are scrambling to form a coalition and each has his and her eye on the anti-Arab Yisrael Beiteinu.

Haaretz:

Despite the poll results, it is not certain that Livni will be able to muster the 61-seat coalition needed to form a government. The elections were called when she failed to achieve this goal following the resignation of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert late last year.

If the exit polls are correct, the right-wing bloc, led by Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu, will comprise 63-64 seats, while the center-left bloc, headed by Livni, will take 56-57 seats. This means that a win in the polls does not necessarily mean that the next government will have a center-left bent.

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By WriterOnTheStorm, February 13, 2009 at 10:31 am Link to this comment

If we don’t like the results of this election, here’s what I propose:

First, we shut off all communication between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, then we roll in some tanks to ensure a geographical separation between the Kadima and the Likud. Next we prevent normal trade of goods and medicines, so the people will begin to suffer and blame the Likud for not taking care of their constituents. If the Likud, who by then will calling themselves the LLO, strike back with violence (and you know they will) then we’ll just say it proves that these people can’t be negotiated with. Plus, it gives us the excuse to build a wall and shut them off from the rest of us for good.

Democracy doesn’t have to be a barrier to war.

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By Nap, February 11, 2009 at 10:30 pm Link to this comment
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This is no great tragedy for Palestinians. The incoming government will be weak, it’s influence down to blackmail and WMD it’s ace in the hole. The tragedy is that Israeli policy is in fact US policy, thus the great American self flagellation.

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By Folktruther, February 11, 2009 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment

I feared as much, but it may be possible to turn a fraction of Zionists to oppose Obama’s support of ethnic cleansing.

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By Inherit The Wind, February 11, 2009 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

FT:

Guess what?  You don’t get to define the “acid tests” of what needs to be done.  You make assumptions and assume I agree with them, and therefore, I “must” support your extremist actions.  As Nero Wolfe put it: “Archie, your logic is impeccable, your premise is absurd.”

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By Folktruther, February 11, 2009 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

Inherit, I know that you don’t like Israeli ethnic cleansing, if only because it is historically irrational and self defeating in this age.  But you echo the Aipac and Likud line, both in what you say and what you do not say. 

Stating that I hate all Jews, and that people like Falk, Chomsky, Averny, and many others are self hating Jews when what we are agaisnt is Jewish oppression and ethinic cleansing, puts in in the Likud camp whatever you feel or say. And you do not recognize openly the absurdity of the charge, and are silent when other Zionists make them.

When you are silent about the starvation blockade of Gaza and try to divert attention from the slaughter there, you are supporting the historical forces that are leading to a huge massacre.  Israel is going to the right, and unless they are blocked by the US and the world, they will continue to implement war and mass slughter.  And they have nuclear weapons.

If you are serious you have to support Obama suspending aid and trade to Israel until they come to their senses.  But just as the US has financed the settlers, the wars, the apoartheid wall, etc, Obama is continuing to support ethnic cleansing, under the thin guise of being ‘evenhanded.’ or Israel “Defense.’  The same Defense that got the US into the Iraq and Afghan wars.

To change Obama’s Zionist policies, it is necessary to oppose them.  And get others to oppose them, especially Jews. Or at least neutralize the Aipac-Likud faction.  You do not have to adopt my views to do so, but you have to modify yours.

It is very late to do so, and may not succeed.  But equivicating leads certainly to disaster.

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By Leefeller, February 11, 2009 at 10:44 am Link to this comment

Only way for this kind of policy to end, would entail a big slash and cut of the Military Complex.

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By thebeerdoctor, February 11, 2009 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

I’ll make this short. I am not opposed to Jews, Muslims or Christians. What I am opposed to is the U.S. government enabling any entity to enforce their unlawful hegemony over their neighbors. It used to be money and weapons, but in the last few years it has become a weapons exclusive enterprise. If there is any hope for this world, this policy must stop.

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By bogglesthemind, February 11, 2009 at 8:31 am Link to this comment

Minnesota courts should be able to decide this. Where’s the problem.

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By dihey, February 11, 2009 at 8:05 am Link to this comment

There will be no “Palestinian State” during the first Obama term and probably none during a second either if he is re-elected. Obama should recall “negotiator” Mitchell and save us some expenses.

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By Inherit The Wind, February 11, 2009 at 5:22 am Link to this comment

FT:

I agree that de-citizening Israeli Moslems (there are Arab Jews) would be a truly evil step that would rob, even to my mind, Israel of much of its legitimacy and sink it to the level of the extremist Moslem nations where only Moslems can be citizens.

Even friendly nations would be forced to take issue with that, and I would hope our President would be the first to condemn it.

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By Folktruther, February 10, 2009 at 9:53 pm Link to this comment

I think Ed Harges is right.  The war in Iraq, the whole War on Terrorism, was not a war for oil, but a war for Zionism.  I don’t no how many peaces marches we went on carrying sighs ‘no blood for oil’ and we had it wrong. Zionism has hijacked the foreign policy of the US.

And now the Israeli population has gone way to the right.  It doesn’t much matter who leads the governmet, Livni or Natanyahu, because they will both be included along with Lieberman, the leader of the Russian immegrants, who wants to de-citinize the Israeli Arabs.  they have already banned their parties in the election.

Big B and Beerdoctor are right.  We have to try to suspend all aid to Israel until they understand that if they continue ethnic cleansing, they will do it alone in the world.

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By Inherit The Wind, February 10, 2009 at 9:51 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther, February 10 at 4:04 pm #

The results are dreadful.  Israel voting opinion has gone to the right.
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I thought it didn’t matter to you…But for once, I really agree—the results ARE dreadful and Netanyahu is really a fascist What-a-yahoo!  There hasn’t been this stupid an election in the world since Bush was re-“elected” in 2004.

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By Fadel Abdallah, February 10, 2009 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment

As far as I am concerned, whoever wins or loses in this fascist entity called Israel is irrelevant to peace in Palestine, the Middle East or the world at large.

Struggle by all means possible must continue against this colonial terrorist fascist entity; for as long as it exists supported by the other U.S. bloody colonialist political-military-industrial complex the world will never experience peace.

The road to peace in the world must pass through Washington first and as long as the warmongers, merchants of death control America, there is no hope that the little spoiled child called Israel will wise up or straighten up. The burden falls upon the the people of main street America who should rise in a revolution to topple their dictator oligarchy and put the country back on the road to truth, peace and prosperity and freedom from the slavery of fear and insecurity before it’s too late!

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By Ed Harges, February 10, 2009 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment

Big B writes:

“We’ve got our military foot hold in the Iraqi oil fields now, so who needs these violent little schmucks anymore?”

The Iraq war was not a war for oil. It was a war for Israel’s benefit, as will be the contemplated war against Iran, should it come to pass.

If it were not for Israel, the US would have been free to pursue lucrative and friendly arrangements with the oil-rich regimes of the middle east, which is the usual way in reality-based international politics of going about securing profitable access to important resources.

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By Ed Harges, February 10, 2009 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

re: By richard east, February 10 at 4:41 pm:

Maybe she said there was no humanitarian crisis in Gaza because she doesn’t think there are any humans in Gaza?

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By Ed Harges, February 10, 2009 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment

Great. The nicest one of the four fascist frontrunners is ahead. Everything will be fine now.

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By cyrena, February 10, 2009 at 7:07 pm Link to this comment

I’m with Big B,

Who needs these violent little schmucks, and why are we giving them so much (or ANY) of our money and weapons to wreck havoc on folks who aren’t bothering us?

I say just don’t give them any more money.

Now I’m just pondering here, and wondering if this election may provide the breaking point, to do exactly that. This is such a total catastrophe, (whomever is elected) that it may require a coup. We don’t need to perform the coup in the standard CIA format that’s always been used by the US to undermine or overthrow governments in the past. (including REAL democracies).

Nope, all we need to do is ‘just say no’ to any more US money or anything else to the government or people of Israel. We’ve done it to Cuba for decades, (which has been an incredibly stupid policy) and it’s had it’s intended effect on keeping Cuba geopolitically powerless.

We need to adopt the same policies with Israel…see how long these massacres will continue without US funding.

Of course I have to admit to this being a pipe dream, because it’s not gonna happen on our end unless we the people, (As it the Congress) force it. It’s obviously not a move that the new Executive Administration is going to initiate on its own, but that doesn’t prevent the Congress from doing it.

Yeah, I know; that probably goes into the pipe dream category as well for now, but there may be hope yet. Did ya see where Patrick Leahy is calling for an investigation into the crimes of the Cheney Admin?

I’m not sure what to make of that yet, so I’m keeping my skeptical eyes peeled.

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By xypher, February 10, 2009 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment

Conservatism = Death

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By Big B, February 10, 2009 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment

Imagine what an Israeli election would look like following the US pulling all military and financial aid from them, with the caveate that, if they want any more, they will have to learn to get along with the people next door.

We’ve got our military foot hold in the Iraqi oil fields now, so who needs these violent little schmucks anymore?

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By richard east, February 10, 2009 at 5:41 pm Link to this comment

Does it really matter for the innocent living in Gaza and the West Bank who wins this “democratic” election?

And I quote Tzipi Livni:

“There is no humanitarian crises in the Strip, and therefore there is no need for a humanitarian truce.”

“Israel is not going to show restraint.”

(sigh)

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By geronimo, February 10, 2009 at 5:35 pm Link to this comment
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Sactions, Divestment & Boycotts Will Force Israel To Negotiate With Hamas

“Based on?”

“The loss of U.S. and European support for the settler-state.”

“But won’t the settler-state’s American & European backers label Israel’s opponents anti-Semites or self-hating Jews?”

“The label won’t stick.”

“Why not?”

“There’s growing opposition among Jews outside Israel to the settler-states massacre of Palestinians and Lebonese.”

“The net result being?”

“Public demand for a new Mideast policy will force the Obama administration to send Israel to the negotiating table.”

“Terms of any agreement reached?”

“One equals one.”

“Anything else?”

“Liberty and justice for all.”

“Who could ask for anything more?”

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By Folktruther, February 10, 2009 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment

The results are dreadful.  Israel voting opinion has gone to the right.

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