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Biden Cautious, Conciliatory in Message to RussiaPosted on Feb 7, 2009
Will the Obama administration take a different tack than the Bush team did when it comes to relations with the Kremlin? It’s hard to say at this stage, but Vice President Joe Biden has suggested that it’s “time to press the reset button and to revisit the many areas where we can and should be working together with Russia.” He made the comment Saturday in a speech at a security conference in Germany.
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By Anarcissie, February 11, 2009 at 9:43 am Link to this comment
I think the speech mentioned was the one where Biden quoted Yeats. The quote—“All is changed, changed utterly,” was completely inappropriate, at least if you think Yeats’s poem means anything, but I can see Biden saying to one of his fresher speechwriters, “The reset button thing is okay, but give me something highbrow, too,” and the speechwriter, not being so long out of English 201, remembering one of the four or five poems of Yeats he was made to read. So what was Biden trying to say? Looks to me like, Shucks, we don’t really want to conquer Central Asia after all.
This raises the question of Afghanistan. Bush actually evolved a fairly sensible plan for Iraq: buy off the opposition, and get out, although slowly, and keeping as much as you can without too much effort. There will now be a pro-Iranian government in Baghdad, but maybe that doesn’t matter. It may be that cautious, conservative Mr. O has a similar pas de deux planned for Afghanistan. It worked in Iraq, so why not? The fact that they’re completely different kinds of places has probably not occurred to anyone in Washington yet.
Also, I think it’s possible they really are bankrupt.
Report thisBy Folktruther, February 9, 2009 at 10:43 am Link to this comment
You would think so, Anarcissie, but the truth of the matter is that US military strategy NEVER made any sense. I was amazed that the US actually invaded Iraq, with the idea of pulling out after a few months, Rumfield’s strategy based on technology rather than boots on the gournd.
And Cheney wss instrumental in Georgia attacking Russian troops, a crazy thing to do. And Biden’s speech was not at all “cautous and conciliatory” as expected, but continues Bushite pressure. It doesn’t make any military sense at all.
But it makes political sense. There is no way for the US to ‘win’ that war in Afghanistan (what would ‘winning’ entail?) Obama just wants to keep it going so he doens’t lose it until the next election. I think this can be done by those giant cargo planes they have. Espeically if everyone kind of just sits there and waits for the next election.
I don’t see waht else they could be thinking. US foreign policy is now serving the interests of Israel rather than the US, and consequently it is mostly a question of simply keeping the War on Terrorism going. I know that this is monstrous suggestion, but consider: the US has killed over a million Iraqis and made refugees out of 5 million while pretending to install Freedom and Democacy. How is anything the US is doing now worse or more delusive than that?
Report thisBy Anarcissie, February 9, 2009 at 7:54 am Link to this comment
Possibly “we” are backing out slowly. Ruling classes generally put a lot of stock in “face”, as in they don’t want to lose face. Of course, the U.S. won’t really get out unless they’re forced out, but that may actually be happening. Certainly Mr. O will have to cosy up to Russia if he wants to have his pumped-up war in Afghanistan.
Report thisBy Folktruther, February 8, 2009 at 4:07 pm Link to this comment
What Biden was expected to say was they were going to conduct a major reassessment of the missle first strike capacity. What he said was they were going to continue it. Which means that Russia will target EU and Nato countries with nuclear missiles. Increasing tension between Nato and Russia to try to get Geogia and especially the Ukraine into Nato.
Georgia deliberately attacked Russian troops while Bush was at the China olympics Cheney’s representative was in Georgia. Bush was also out of the White House during 9/11, with Cheney the acting president.
Now Biden is vice-president, a Zionist militarist. Pursuing a bi-partisan foreign policy that includes Zbig’s anti-Russian policy, Obama’s mentor. That serves Israel foreign policy but is strongly against that of America.
The increased tension with Russia helps Israel get central Asian oil from Turkey, to resell to Europe, dereasing European dependance on Russia, and increasing European dependance on Israli imperialism. And their support for Zionist ethnic cleansing.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, February 8, 2009 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment
Folktruther, February 8 at 10:40 am #
Inheerit’s comment is the usual Zionist bullshit. What the Zioinst militarist Biden has done is to continue the forst strike threat against Russia, on the rediculous grounds that it is a defense agianst the nuclear missles that Iran doens’t have. Obiden’s continuing the threats against Russia, disguised by public relations flourishes, is the most dangerous part of US foreign policy, which is serving Zionist interests, not that of the US.
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Folktruther, you ridiculous ignoramous!
Take a chill pill or something. Wash it down with a 6 to 8 ounces of vodka, bourbon or scotch, and sleep it off.
This has NOTHING to do with Israel, Zionism or your paranoid fantasies. It’s simply clear, simple real politik[/it] between two great powers.
What’s Biden supposed to say? “Back out of Georgia or we’ll launch a nuke attack on you.” Or, maybe “Please, Mr. Putin. Issue your orders and we’ll follow them!”
Get real. Get honest. Get at least a shred of education on foreign relations.
Report thisBy KDelphi, February 8, 2009 at 11:42 am Link to this comment
From the NYT article:”..more conciliatory than Bush…”. Not hard…
“Foreign policy experts said that the Obama administration was most likely averse to making any outright concessions on the antimissile system just days after the Kyrgyz announcement, fearing it could be interpreted as a sign of weakness.”
A sign of weakness? Where have I heard that before?
Better than Bush…it is feeding a Cold War relic.
Her he is on Iran:
“We are willing to talk to Iran,” Mr. Biden said, in a departure from the Bush administration. But the vice president quickly tacked back to a refrain common during the last years of the Bush presidency and spoke of offering Iran’s leader a choice: “Continue down your current course and there will be pressure and isolation; abandon the illicit nuclear program and your support for terrorism, and there will be meaningful incentives.”
I wish that Biden had cut everything off at his first statements..
Report thisBy Folktruther, February 8, 2009 at 10:40 am Link to this comment
Inheerit’s comment is the usual Zionist bullshit. What the Zioinst militarist Biden has done is to continue the forst strike threat against Russia, on the rediculous grounds that it is a defense agianst the nuclear missles that Iran doens’t have. Obiden’s continuing the threats against Russia, disguised by public relations flourishes, is the most dangerous part of US foreign policy, which is serving Zionist interests, not that of the US.
Report thisBy SteveK9, February 8, 2009 at 6:51 am Link to this comment
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Can someone explain our continued insistence that Georgia be allowed to join Nato?
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, February 8, 2009 at 6:39 am Link to this comment
The first step to ending Bush’s brinkmanship is to step back from the brink.
Once you step back you can start to talk again.
Biden has done this and the Russian leadership have recognized that.
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