Why do you all pick on Thnk?  You have to admit that we haven’t been attacked by Terrorists or flying sacers since he has been posting here.  You can’t get around that. 

Thank U Thnk for keeping us Safe, like the Bushites did.  By the way, have you ever read the posts of Trith on TD?  I think U two would hit it off; U both have the same essential gtasp of political and social reality.  As well as all other kinds of course.

By ThnkUBush, January 30 at 3:48 am #

Louise,

As I wrote; these are serious matters. Your word games are are becoming progressively more childish.

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Oh what a hoot!! Karl the Dick Bush II here, is becoming more and more desperate with each post. Now your ‘word games’ are becoming progressively childish, as KDBII (aka thnkubush) tries to explain the existence of a term that Karl and the Gang made up to go along with the “War OF Terror” theme that we’ve been living for the past 8 years.

Islamo-Fascism is another word for the Rabbit Hole Dictionary, and the only people who consult that book are those who live in the Rabbit Hole…down there with Alice and the rest of that gang.

Gotta be careful though, because they have so many trolls on the payroll and hovering near the surface,
just waiting for the next person to dupe. (Kind of like Stepford Wives doing recruitment). Seems like these trolls would have figured out by now, that anybody left on the sane side of the border after all of this time, isn’t likely to be a prospective recruit.

But, once a troll or a Karl the Dick Bush II clone has been programmed, it’s too late.

After that, they have only entertainment value left. But you’re right, this one isn’t as funny as the model. But then, he’s not nearly as dangerous either.

Louise,

More childish bedtime stories about republican goblins does not equal substance.

ThnkUBush,

Oh my, still not funny. But don’t give up! The world could use a little humor just now.

SOMETHING of substance, in case you missed it before ...

“Reclaiming The Issues: Islamic Or Republican Fascism?”

“In fact, the Islamic fundamentalists who apparently perpetrated 9/11 and other crimes in Spain and the United Kingdom are advocating a fundamentalist theocracy, not fascism.”

“But theocracy - the merging of religion and government - is also on the plate for the new American fascists (just as it was for Hitler, who based the Nazi death cult on a “new Christianity” that would bring “a thousand years of peace”), so they don’t want to use that term, either.”

“While the Republicans promote the term “Islamo-fascism,” the rest of the world is pushing back, as the BBC noted in an article by Richard Allen Greene” http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0828-23.htm

Oh never mind. The Bush never understood it either!

Louise,

As I wrote; these are serious matters. Your word games are are becoming progressively more childish.

Care to try again? You must have SOMETHING of substance to add to this discussion.

My goodness I don’t expect you to understand!

So you opt for “duped.” I guess I’ve made clear my choice.

cyrena,
Of course you are correct.
Thanks for reminding me!

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ThnkUBush,

“These are serious subjects”

Well I could say you should know. However you don’t, you don’t have a clue. 

Just because you don’t understand what Fascist means is no reason to suggest my feelings are hurt. That’s almost funny! My goodness I don’t expect you to understand! After all, look at the handle you have attached to yourself!

I know you’re trying, but you’re still not as funny as Bush! So please don’t strain. You might hurt yourself.

Louise,

I understand you would feel better if I had referred to various radical Islamic movements that display all the characteristics of at least one of the recognized definitions of contemporary fascism. Nonetheless it is widely accepted today to use the descriptive term Islamo-Fascists, in context, in describing the above.

Your objection to the term is a mere game. These are serious subjects.

RE: BBC Reports Live that WTC7 has fallen, yet it still stands didn’t think to offer the link - so here it is - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejjySUVOGKA

What’s in play here are the opening moves in the massive psy-op/cover-up - FOX was particularly impressive - talking of the extraordinary piloting skills of the hijackers and how, already on the very day of the attacks there was 99% certainty bin Laden/Al-Queda were to blame - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8c140MNVvw

But, even as the POTUS declared that he’ll “smoke ‘im out,” and invoked the image of the “mushroom cloud,” there was this: The ‘FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11’  - http://www.twf.org/News/Y2006/0608-BinLaden.html - you’ll recall all the dedicated FBI agents dutifully tracking the patsies and sending reports - reports, lost, buried, killed, canned (whatever) by obvious moles; and when whistelblowers came forward they were gagged (e.g. Sibel Edmonds).

And then there are all the phony videos - http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6722 - that kept coming out, at least until Bhutto publicly reported OBL’s murder on Frost’s program (Nov. ‘07) - amazingly, she does it so casually, as though in that part of the world it’s common knowledge, and never that I’ve heard has this ever resonated in the MSM, though this video has bounced around cyberspace for over a year - short version - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg - even naming his assassin.

Anyone denying that proliferation of the “meme” (probably a better word than myth) “Islamofascism” is a classic psy-op, is either duped or is a disinformation operative.

Brava Louise, and thanks for the linguistics lesson. I keep trying to do this same sort of ‘tutoring’ but it hasn’t been all that successful.

“The word Islam is the title given to a religion. Much like Christian. There are as many different sects in Islam as their are in Christianity. And just like Christianity there are groups within those sects that seek to destroy all other religions. But, just like in Christianity those groups are the vocal and unpleasant minority. The fault lies in the fact that the honest majority Muslims and the honest majority Christians seldom condemn their respective fringe groups for encouraging violence!”

The only tiny correction I would make to this, (and it’s really ONLY academic) is to say that there are actually far MORE Christian ‘sects’ than there are within the structure of Islam. Islam DOES have plenty of their own, which I discovered when I was trying to sort things out from the jurisprudential perspective of Law in the Middle East. But, there aren’t nearly as many, (nor do they have the level of ideological diversity) as we see in those who affiliate themselves with Christianity.

Meantime, I was pleased to read of this different perspective from Gates. I admit that I have been very worried about Obama’s decision to keep him on, finding it difficult to believe that anyone’s ideology could undergo such a change.  (my same reasons for being worried about Hilary Clinton as Secretary of State…I’m STILL worried about HER!)

However, it would appear that my concerns (which I didn’t want to holler and shout too much about before there was time for exactly what we see here) have been semi-alleviated. At least we’re getting down to some realities here, and making them known to the American people.

What a novel approach.

ThnkUBush,

Islamofascism is a misnomer. Neo is a prefix meaning
new, recent, or late, as in lately.

So when someone uses neo as in neo-conservative that can be taken as meaning the new, most recent or latest version of conservative.

Using Islamofascism is a misnomer, or error in naming a person or place. The application of a wrong name, or a name wrongly or unsuitably applied. Since the two words having two completely different meanings, when combined cancel out each other.

...thugs and criminals. the preferred contract trouble makers to all of Spookdom (not to be confused with professional executioners) - as well,  many useful fools and patsies are mentally retarded or psychotic (e.g. the shoe bomber), and rarely if ever, are they capable of executing the terrorism for which they are credited (e.g. Hani Hanjour, Lee Harvey Oswald) - Spook SOP - any loose ends relegated to burial by the MSM, and officially “covered up” (e.g. 911 Commission, Warren Commission).

...bin-Laden is still alive and in control. Is he? In Frost over the World - Benazir Bhutto - 02 Nov 07, shortly before her own assassination, she reveals bin Laden’s assassination.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ

Telling…Frost’s lack of follow up - BBC is MSM (laced with spooks) - the corker is that it wasn’t cut - someone dropped that ball - not unlike the BBC reporter, reading from her script a report of the collapse of WTC 7, with the building still standing behind her and finally being pulled 30 minutes later - perhaps pulling back such obvious near-total hangouts is viewed as more likely to attract even more attention.

Their theatre is good but not perfect. One well-informed old timer, no longer with us - bless his soul, when asked, immediately following the Soviet collapse, if he thought the CIA was stirring up trouble in Russia, replied, “The CIA couldn’t stir their own coffee.” Well, if the missives of ThnkUBush are typical, I’m inclined to agree.

Louise,

Islamofascism is a controversial new word concerning the association of the ideological or operational characteristics of certain Islamist movements from the late 20th century on.

I do understand your point however. I have a problem with the mis-use of the term neo. People use it believing neo somehow means a really really lot of. It’s also used today in a fashion that seems to indicate a goblin or monster of some sort. Both uses are incorrect.

I am impressed with the abundance of knowledge expressed here. There’s only one problem - well maybe two.

Every cause, effect and possible solution to Bush’s GWOT is based on the premise that Osama bin-Laden is still alive and in control. And bin-Laden is successful because his supporters and al-Qaeda are Islamofascists.

So lets start with the second and work our way back.

Islamo is a non-word. So anyone who chooses to use it as a construct to define anything only displays a lack of knowledge about Islam, and the use of language in general.

Fascist is a real word. Introduced into the common vocabulary in the twentieth century, by Benito Mussolini.

“Reclaiming The Issues: Islamic Or Republican Fascism?”

“In fact, the Islamic fundamentalists who apparently perpetrated 9/11 and other crimes in Spain and the United Kingdom are advocating a fundamentalist theocracy, not fascism.”
“But theocracy - the merging of religion and government - is also on the plate for the new American fascists (just as it was for Hitler, who based the Nazi death cult on a “new Christianity” that would bring “a thousand years of peace”), so they don’t want to use that term, either.”

“While the Republicans promote the term “Islamo-fascism,” the rest of the world is pushing back, as the BBC noted in an article by Richard Allen Greene” http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0828-23.htm

When we here someone refer to Islam as Fascist, they are simply demonstrating an inability to understand. Running two words together with an “o” to create a negative label is much easier than defining something they cant comprehend.

So a more proper definition for the alleged bin-Laden and friends would be, a loosely organized group of violent trouble makers without a nation, a military, an economic base or a specified goal. Or, gangs, thugs and criminals.

But the word “terrorists” has worked well to bring an immediate mental image to those who prefer to believe they are in grave danger. If you live in a neighborhood that has been taken over by competing gangs, thugs and criminals, who play much by the same rules for the purpose of establishing turf, you are in grave danger.

The word Islam is the title given to a religion. Much like Christian. There are as many different sects in Islam as their are in Christianity. And just like Christianity there are groups within those sects that seek to destroy all other religions. But, just like in Christianity those groups are the vocal and unpleasant minority. The fault lies in the fact that the honest majority Muslims and the honest majority Christians seldom condemn their respective fringe groups for encouraging violence!

As to the first, the premise that Osama bin-Laden is still alive and in control. Is he? Or having died way back about the time Bush’s GWOT was gaining steam, has he simply become the symbol that leads us all to believe we must continue sending our sons and daughters off to die for the homeland?

Lacking actual proof that bin-Laden is alive and in control, I am more inclined to believe the mess we are in is the direct result of war for profit.

When an aggressive war for profit is based on lies, there is never a clear goal in sight. And the end result of Bush’s wars demonstrate he never had a clear goal in sight. But that doesn’t mean the mess he has created isn’t there. And that doesn’t abrogate us from the responsibility to clean up that mess. Or at least try.

And since I’m sure a good many people would never bother to read or understand any of this, simply identifying an enemy with a single word implying a negative allows the war for profit to continue. Even if it leaves us all bankrupt and begging for help.

Some people seem to think that’s constructive!

RE: ...I may be able to…

Sir, you may do whatever you like. But, I suspect you’ll do whatever you’re told.

blogdog, January 29 at 8:51 am

“Sept. 11, 2001…the most spectacular FALSE FLAG provocation ever executed.”

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If I could turn reason and accountability on it’s head I may be able to agree with everything you have written below.

Sept. 11, 2001 my friend…the most spectacular FALSE FLAG provocation ever executed.

The “legendary” writings to which you refer are exactly that, and serve to inflate pseudo-gangs for the purpose of discrediting indigenous self-determinacy, literally by the book - British Brigadier General Frank Kitson’s book: “Low level conflicts and counterinsurgency…”

Self-determinacy is the deepest resistance the global finance oligarchs face in their agenda to subjugate literally everyone. To defeat genuine self-determinacy, it must be discredited and made to appear fanatically murderous and suicidal. In truth, the most suicidal aspect of this entire epoch is The Global War Of Terror.

The Global War Of Terror is Gladio for the 21st Century. The myth of Islamofascism replaces the myth of Monolithic Communism. Al Qa’aida fills the role Red Brigade once did - smoke & mirrors - 2 things to never forget:

1. “Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the state.” - James Jesus Angelton - Director of CIA Counter Intelligence (1954-74)

2. “The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.” - William Colby - Director of the CIA (1973-76)

While the region is still cooling off from Israel’s military offensive against Hamas in the Gaza Strip, the Syrian regime is quietly laying the groundwork to reinvigorate peace negotiations with Israel and inch back into the Arab fold. Much of the work being done right now is taking place at home, including a plan in progress to mend ties with one of the regime’s biggest opponents — the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood.
Analysis

Syria’s minority Alawite-Baathist regime is entering 2009 with two major priorities in mind: regime security and the consolidation of Syrian influence in Lebanon, where Syria’s geopolitical interests are concentrated. In the past, the al Assad regime has protected its seat of power by maintaining a formidable security apparatus and keeping a tight lid on the country’s majority Sunni community. But the regime is also tired of being grouped with the Iranians as a Middle Eastern pariah and is looking toward a more ambitious plan to extend the regime’s staying power and expand its influence in the region. That plan involves reinvigorating peace talks with Israel, mending ties with Syria’s Arab neighbors and potentially re-engaging with the United St ates now that a fresh administration with an interest in negotiations with Damascus is in charge.

Of course, distinguishing between Syrian rhetoric and sincere intent will remain a major challenge. Syria has to demonstrate to Israel, the United States and the key Arab regimes that it is committed to following a different path, but at the same time it needs to stay true to the anti-Israel and anti-Western rhetoric that the regime has long relied on as a tool to buy popular support. During the Gaza offensive, for example, the Syrians saw an opportunity to amplify pro-Hamas and anti-Israel rhetoric while the other Arab regimes remained silent or even risked popular backlash when they outwardly condemned Hamas for provoking the Israelis to invade. Throughout the offens ive, Syria gained points in the Arab street promulgating a hard-line stance against Israel, but also quietly signaled to Israel, the West and the Arab regimes that any effort to contain Palestinian militancy would need to come through negotiations with Syria, where the exiled leaderships of Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and other groups are based. In other words, Syria is constantly looking for ways to prove its worth to potential allies, but still has a radical image to protect at home.

jackpine savage,

Islamofascism does make sense when one understands a great deal more on the subject.

Read some of bin Laden’s, Zawahiri’s and Nasir al-Wuhayshi’s teachings and writings. Know first hand what their issues and goals are.

I would like to suggest you read and study the works of Usama bin Laden and others yourself. You clearly have never taken the time.

“The Youth of Islam: “Jihad and Martyrdom”
“Usama bin Laden’s Oath to America”.
“Bin Ladens Truce Offer to the Americans”
“A crusade” Oct. 2001, Nov. 2001 and Jan. 2004.
Or…“The Price of Democracy”. Dec. 1998 and Nov. 2001

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“they don’t have a navy or an air force that would enable them to come over here and fight.”

Sept. 11, 2001 my friend. The oceans no longer protect the United States.

The media world is not real, my friend! Please take the time to study what these people are saying, teaching, and writing. Learn it first hand from their own writings.

ThnkUBush,

I’m no more frightened of al Queada (in wherever) or “Islamofascism” (which is a word that doesn’t even make sense) than i was of the Soviet Union.  And as cmdr. Huber pointed out in the article i linked, they don’t have a navy or an air force that would enable them to come over here and fight.

And they’re no wackier with their ideas of a “pure Sharia caliphate” than a good many of our very own Christian groups.

They don’t threaten America, they threaten the American Empire, which is shoddy and second rate in any case.  It will also fall in its own time due to internal contradictions and the inability to keep spending on it.

Some superpower, totally dependent on foreigners lending it money so that it can continue stomping around the world with its chest puffed out.  Which brings me to how U(O)bL already won: he bankrupted us.

Folktruther, January 29 at 4:22 am

Nothing you wrote in regards to Afghanistan, oil, the Taliban, NATO, Bush, Cheney, Obama is correct. You are so far off the mark.

Western -blog driven myths- are not good enough. A real serious individual study of these matters is needed.

BlogDog and Octopus,

You’ll need to find an interpreter or, painstaking I know, use an on-line interpreter, to read these articles. I assure you if you take the time to research these matters you will no longer believe as you do today.

Al-Qaida in Yemen (AQY) has released the seventh issue of its magazine Sada al-Malahim

The front page story, “Gaza under siege by Arab rulers”, is quite interesting. The article hardly mentions Israel and America, but instead lashes out at the Arab regimes and government clerics for facilitating the siege by repressing the mujahidin. “[The rulers] incriminated anyone who merely thinks about liberating the holy sites, which can only be liberated by toppling these governments” (p. 4).

Heard this before? This is basically the good old “near enemy first” argument of the kind found in Ayman al-Zawahiri’s classic article “The road to Jerusalem passes through Cairo”. The statement adds to a number of other indications that AQY is considerably more regime-critical (and thus less pan-Islamist) than its Saudi counterpart al-Qaida on the Arabian Peninsula.

http://www.tawhed.ws/r?i=4wwr6wa8
http://www.jihadica.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/7-10-08-ekhlaas-issue-27-of-sada-al-jihad.pdf
http://www.jihadica.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/7-14-08-ekhlaas-issue-50-of-hassad-al-mujahidin.pdf

Or you could read from memri.org/ for english versions of these publications.

The orginal reason for the invasion of Afghanistan was to put a pipeline through it from the northern ‘Stans to the Arabean sea.  In the late 1990’s Taliban envoys were brought to Texas to negotiate with Unical to put one in. 

The Taliban wanted to much money and turned to a Latin American firm as an alternative.  this was unacceptable to Cheney so an invasion was planned before 9/11, and other oil reps, like Rice and the current Afghan president, wre installed to make Afghan Safe For Oil.

But that plan didn’t work out and now the US is in danger of losing a war the way the Soviets did, with the threat of the power implications that dismantled the Soviet empire.  So apparently now all Obama wants to do is to avoid losing until after his next election.

Since Nato is pulling out or are stopping fighting, and access to Afghanistan through Russia and Pakistan is presenting problems, all Obama wants to do is continue the slaughter at acceptable levels.  In reality this means keeping it out of the hands of Terrorists, i.e. groups that oppose US imperialism.

How this can be done by expanding the war to Pakistan
is inexplicable.  there are more Pushtans on both sides of the fake border with Pakistan then there are Iraqis.  If groups in Pakistan, including parts of the military, want to continue to fight the US, the war will intensify and escalate.  Currently the hundred and eighty million people of Pakistan are increasingly hating the US power system, and this hatred is increasing as the US missiles their homes.

It doesn’t appear that Obama knows what he is doing.  He actually visited Pakistan when he was working for the CIA front, so he may have a special interest in it.  But has only a plan for prolonging the war, since it has been lost for some time now.

Octopus,

“Bin Laden’s stated reason for attacking us was twofold”

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That is not correct. Usama bin Laden’s “stated reasons” are numerous and ever changing.

Bin Laden’s letter to Americans titled “Why we Are fighting You.” plainly states his many goals. One being the establishment of a global tribunal based on Sharia Law.

Other communiqué‘s from bin Laden or Ayman al-Zawahiri are equally worth studying.

“Moderate Islam Is a Prostration to the West”.
“Loyalty and Enmity”.
“Sharia and Democracy”
“Jihad, Martyrdom, and the Killing of Innocents”

Blogdog,

You refer to the “Myth Of Islamofascism”.

Myth?

Are you paying attention to Nasir al-Wuhayshi? According to al-Wuhayshi, a new group, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, would consist of his former group (al Qaeda in Yemen) as well as members of the now-defunct Saudi al Qaeda franchise.

Are you paying attention to Abu-Sayyaf al-Shihri? Or Ayman al-Zawahiri? These men are real and speak out in regards to their agenda.

Do you read from the online magazine, Sada al-Malahim, (Arabic for “The Echo of Battle”)? This magazine is not a myth. It’s real.

Do you know anything about Tanzim Qa’idat al-Jihad fi Jazirat al-Arab?

I don’t know how you’ve come to the conclusion that Islamofascism is a myth. I hope you take the time to research these matters in a deeper and more meaningful way.

From the article cited By jackpine savage, January 28 at 9:01 pm  

Assuming Barack Obama was serious about effecting change in U.S. foreign policy, he could hardly have made a bigger mistake than keeping Robert Gates on as secretary of defense.

It need be remembered: Gates was Brzezinski’s “office boy” when Z-Big was organizing the Mujahadeen to ruin Russia in its own Vietnam.

The Iraq Study Group was the watershed moment. Since then the Principals Committee has essentially run US foreign affairs, and behind them, in the shadows, looms the personage of Z-Big, the only reason Gates is still at the Pentagon.

The link below is a must read.

I know, it says “american conservative” and i would have linked to Huber’s personal blog (zenhuber.blogspot.com) but he didn’t post it there or at Scholars and Rogues.  Just read it, you’ll be glad you did and you’ll probably laugh out loud.

http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/jan/26/00017/

That’s deep dawg….I’ll to chew on that awhile.

RE: Wouldn’t it be cheaper in the long run to establish the Palestinian Homeland, and allow the sovereign nations of the middle east to govern themselves? That would remove both reasons for the very existence of terrorist organizations.

Of course, but cheaper to whom? Not to anyone who matters; not to those calling for and directing the Global War Of Terror. They’re getting rich off it.

As for the premise that failed states generate terrorism. That’s backwards. Terrorism provokes the wholesale violence that fails states; exactly the purpose of the Global War Of Terror

The CIA/MI6/Mossad rogue nexus, working deep within the agencies, funds and guides Madrassas all over the Middle East, and notorious “hives of terrorists” like England’s Brixton and Finsbury Mosques, attracting and radicalizing hopeless youth, grooming them into unwitting useful fools and patsies, creating wildly exotic legends for some of them (e.g. al Zawahiri, Ali Mohamad, Osama Bin Laden, Abu Nidal, etc.), runs teams of black-ops (e.g. kidnappings, executions, bombings), hangs them on the patsies, protected by moles as their legends grow while dutiful security forces hunt them.  After the op goes off they can be given up to take the fall, but often their murdered and their “legend” takes the fall (e.g. Mohamad Atta).

Finally all the terrorism gets spun out as a massive psy-op through the MSM, which too is owned; even al Jazeera — incredible theatre, designed to totally distort geopolitics: The Global War Of Terror: chaos and failed states; whole populations on their knees, begging for protection — oldest game in the book.

We as a nation have behaved like a global School Yard Bulley for decades and when someone finally stood up to us and landed a punch(9/11) did we engage in a painful examination of our own behavior as a healthy nation? Unfortunatel no. We did what sociopaths do, we failed to consider the needs, rghts and desires of others.
  Bin Ladens stated reason for attacking us was twofold, our continued abuse of the rights of the Palestinian people and our increasing military presence in the middle east, specifically the bases in Saudi Arabia. He also wanted to inflict economic suffering as well.
  Guess what folks ? We have played right into his hands and by any standard he will be victorious. We will never defeat Al Qaida in Afganistan, but we can defeat ourselves by squandering our national wealth in attempting it.
  Wouldn’t it be cheaper in the long run to establish the Palestinian Homeland, and allow the sovereign nations of the middle east to govern themselves? That would remove both reasons for the very existence of terrorist organizations.
  The neo- liberal economic restructuring agenda and the dominance of the militaristic foreign policy agenda must die , or the United States will.

Anything from the mouths of anyone in or close to any Washington Regime is a “limited hangout,” or pure “disinfo.”  The Global War OF Terror will continue. The Myth Of Islamofascism will continue to be shilled. As the black-ops/psy-ops continually grow in number and severity (e.g. Mumbai), they will talk of “peaceful” ways to resolve the crises, while relentlessly advancing the agenda of the New World Oligarchy.

As for a genuine peace in Afghanistan, or any place else, they couldn’t care less. Chaos and failed states serve their ends. Anyone who has a clue, knows that it’s worse than Orwellian.

Obama Team Rejects Afghan Peace Project, German Expert Reports
by Webster Tarpley

The Obama transition team has already rejected out of hand a plan for a negotiated peace settlement in Afghanistan which had been approved by the Karzai government as well as by its opponents. A leading mainstream German Afghanistan expert, Christoph Hörstel, who had attempted to play the role of a back channel between Afghan circles and the Obama team, reports that his approach with this peace plan was brusquely rejected by Obama’s top Afghan advisor, who is not named in the report. This story is reported on the Swiss-German blog Alles Schall und Rauch.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11937

It’s just plain funny! Not funny as in ha-ha, but funny as in sligtly out of whack!

First it’s the Bitch and Moan about NATO. Then it’s the Bitch and Moan about ... uh, NATO?

If there is any group we need to get out of Afghanistan, and KEEP out of Afghanistan it’s those “for profit” mercenairies who kill at will, for money!

Ok. I recognise no matter what Obama or anyone in his cabinet does, it wont be right, as in RIGHT. But my goodness it is so refreshing to see someone actually try to do something about ANYTHING!

Perhaps we have become so accustomed to a president and cabinet that never did anything about anything unless it was the WRONG thing, we just cant see
something’s going on here! And it isn’t the same thing, or even APPROACHING the same thing!

So I say hey! Hooray! And reserve my limited judgement until there actually is something to judge.

“Meanwhile, Republicans in both the Senate and House, where Gates testified in the afternoon, criticized the administration for ordering the closure of the prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, without a specific plan for what to do with the 245 prisoners.”

Oh duh, there’s a surprize!

Will someone please take the Concertina’s away from those noisy, naughty children!
We need a little quite time here, for thoughtful, thought. So we can actually get something done!

I think we should move the prisoners at Guantanamo up here, we have plenty of government housing with bars. Give them a trial if possible. And send them back home if not! Then ... and this is an important then ... then we can round up the top 245 offenders in the rip-off of the century that led to the collapse of the dollar and send THEM down to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba!

Oh wait! That would be far more than 245!
That’s not even enough room to hold Bush and Buddies!
Oh well, it’s a beginning.

If Gates comments are not a smokescreen for hidden goals then this represents a step in the right direction.  Al Qaeda and the Taliban are not loved by the people of Afghanistan and with legitimate goals agreed to by most of the people of Afghanistan, America can succeed in bringing limited change and greater security to Afghanistan. Ultimately, just as in Iraq, it will be up to THEM, not us,  to fight for what they want.

Whatever happened to the “Northern Alliance”?  Did too many warlords get stiff-armed by Karzai and his new government? At one time the non-Taliban coalition assisted by a few US Special Forces were able to KO the Taliban and Al Qaeda.  Now Gates wants to double US forces over the 32K that are there now. 
    Maybe we need to remind that rag-tag Northern Alliance bunch again what was at stake.  Or did we just pay them off and let them go back to Tajikistan etc.?  ANOTHER place we gotta get out of ASAP.