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Conyers Embarks on Anti-Gupta Crusade

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Posted on Jan 8, 2009
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Conyers vs. Gupta: It’s on.

So CNN floated this rumor the other day that its very own snazzy doctor guy, neurosurgeon and embeddable reporter, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, might be making a “house call” to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. as our nation’s next surgeon general, right? Not if Rep. John Conyers can help it.


AP via Google News:

House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, D-Mich., urged Democrats to sign onto a letter to President-elect Barack Obama urging him not to nominate Gupta, who is CNN’s chief medical correspondent.

“It is not in the best interests of the nation to have someone like this who lacks the requisite experience needed to oversee the federal agency that provides crucial health care assistance to some of the poorest and most underserved communities in America,” Conyers wrote in a letter released Thursday.

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By jersey girl, January 11, 2009 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment

KDELPH.. LOL… of course.. it is better to look good than to govern good ! 

Besides the wall street banksters he’s put in charge let’s not forget…

Tom Vilack… secty of agriculture… is a Monsanto guy

Admiral BLair..director of nat’l intelligence..greenlighted genocide in Indonesia

U.S. Trade rep…Ron Kirk..in love with nafta/cafta

Climate Czar… Carol Browner..former clinton epa head.. who denies chemtrails

Last but not least.. Joe Biden.. Mr Credit Card and warmonger

Change we can believe in?? Not so much

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By KDelphi, January 11, 2009 at 4:19 pm Link to this comment

jerseygirl—It is one (or all) of several things:neo-liberals feel taht they must “get in line” with corporate Dems, or , they will be left out, or, they wanted an Af Am president so badly, that, any type of criticism is to be stopped abruptly.

There is also the possiblity that they just dont know the facts about Summers, Gupta, Brennan (i hear he has stepped aside). Some also supported Hillary Clinton ( I did originally for natl health care), and, Obama threw them a bone on that one.

Some are probably paid by the Team to say what they say. I am convinced some are. Others just like to maintain that , if you critize, you should be more “positive”, no matter the circumstances. It almost never works to “comply” with this, as, they just find somethg else to attack you for. I thinkl that Pam just doesnt know much about who he is. Further, many people have good heatlh care or alot of money, and, like Obama apparently does,just think that Gupta is good looking, and, maybe think that he will date them!! LOL! I dunno!

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By jersey girl, January 11, 2009 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment

KDELPH… Gupta will be just another fox put in charge of the hen house.

Why do people continue to make excuses for such horrendous choices? Are they saying he doesn’t know what he’s doing.  Or that he does know and prefers to serve corporate america over we the people?

I believe the later.

BTW, Bill Richardson is a protege and friend of Henry Kissinger. I never liked him and like him less since I found that out.  I’m wondering why they are trying to bring him down with that kind of connection.  I’m thinking he angered the elite gods somehow.

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By KDelphi, January 11, 2009 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment

Here is what Physician’s for a Natl Health Plan have to say about Gupta:

“Conyers: Obama should not nominate Sanjay Gupta”

By Sam Stein
(Also printed in)
Huffington Post
January 8, 2009


“Outside of government, however, some have begun questioning whether the CNN correspondent has the proper qualifications to be Surgeon General. Krugman, in his post noted that Gupta accused filmmaker Michael Moore of inaccuracies, “when the truth was that on every one of the allegedly fudged facts, Moore was actually right and CNN was wrong.” Gupta and CNN would later acknowledge making a mistake and apologize on air. Others have questioned whether he is the right conduit for Obama’s health care agenda, and whether or not he has ethical conflicts of interest stemming from the corporate sponsors of his show.

But while Conyers and these individuals have doubts, it’s unclear whether the post of Surgeon General will elicit much of a fight, since no Senators (who must confirm the nomination) have spoken critically of Gupta.”

Daschle is more important, but, read Daschle’s book. Unless he has dramatically changed since he wrote it (as the Dem Congress initiates plans to “scale back” SCHIP for kids, as well, as talk of “reforming” social security and Medicare), he will never implement single payer. (nor universal—the one touted as such, that he spoke of in the hearing, covers 85%, and, as far as I know from the website—change.gov—is not supported by Obama)

Conyers is right on this one. He may be wrong on Justice Dept,. but he is calling for more than most Dems—a Truth and Reconciliation Committe—more than Obama wants to do.

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By jersey girl, January 11, 2009 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

It’s not Gupta’s inexperience that scares me it’s his pimpin for big pharma.  Merck in particular.  Both he and Laura Bush were Merck’s biggest sales pitchers for their VERY controversial Gardasil vaccine.

Gupta is corporate medicine’s guy.  Which considering Obama’s other members of cabinet is absolutely no surprise that he’d choose someone with Gupta’s dubious “credentials.”

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By KDelphi, January 10, 2009 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment

hippy pam—You must just know Gupta from CNN..have you ever seen his interveiw with Michael Moore, who made “Sicko”? He has no interst in reigning in the insurance industry…

Conyers is proposing HR 676—Medicare for all—and probably knows that Gupta would block it…not that Obama has ever given any indication that he supports it.. It is not solely Conyers bill, but its been out there for years.

He is corporate, and, probably knows nothing about, (and, I am ceratin, would not much advocate for) “community” health care.


He could have discussed solutions with the interview with Moore—he chose only to criticize. Moore backed Obama, but, was concerned about his health care “policy”, and, supports single payer. So does Conyers, whatever else you may think of him..

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By hippy pam, January 10, 2009 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

Dr.Gupta is intelligent-educated-well spoken…..I have been watching/listening to him for several years….President Obama shows his own intelligence by putting Dr.Gupta up for this post in the cabinet…...Conyers probably had some one else in mind[like Conyers cousin/brother]....Just takin’ a lesson from “pretty boy Blago”....We all understand-right????
........Just MY opinion folks….

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By Shift, January 10, 2009 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment

KDelphi, wow, where did you learn to drive a nail with one swing?  Good comment.

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By KDelphi, January 10, 2009 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

Shift—Yes, there are sites where some of the most progressive and educated people on the Left are banned. (I am no more—but I dont care to post—I just read the articles)

Posters, as I have said, are complaining, and, oddly, there are plenty of former Obama apologists who are rabidly complaining about some of his appointees, ad well as his stated tax policies.

But, not Joe Hope!

That is their problem. But, I do wish they would stop using tax-evgasion status, especially when you see how wealthy all the Board is…“progressives”—right…

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By Shift, January 10, 2009 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

Cyrena, calling one a racist or a bigot without citing evidence is just name calling and of no consequence. 

Failing to defend your stated thought that religion has not caused genocide, when I provided original historical documents and source material to you, with links, is just a sign of likely personal insecurity and a big EGO. 

With personal baggage like yours, your criticism’s of me are without merit.  People here are smart enough to recognize a weak attempt to assassinate the character of another.

Apparently you have an agenda and when someone writes something contrary to your beliefs you attempt to demonize and marginalize them by calling them a bigot or racist. 

I still do not understand why you failed to address the issue of African American’s playing on a team named the Washington Redskins, knowing that the word Redskins is to Native Americans as Nigger is to African Americans.  If Native American’s or Whites played on a team called the Washington Nigger’s the African American community would be rightly up in arms, yet you fail to address the issue.  So again I repeat, who is the racist or bigot here?

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By Shift, January 10, 2009 at 11:20 am Link to this comment

KDelphi, yah, it’s like one graduates when getting banned from CD.  There is so much subterfuge on these sites that it takes a while to learn who the paid propagandists are.  Short term gratification comes to the propagandists and the public relations posters, but, given a little time, their cloak, lack of objectivity, and positions begin to dissolve.  As the hardships of the depression grow, those people too shall pass.

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By Alejandro, January 10, 2009 at 8:16 am Link to this comment
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John Conyers should be ashamed of himself. He is one of the lapdogs that have allowed our country to deterioate on his watch. “Oh” he’s a grandstander though. Gathering evidence and all that. He and his ilk are part of the problem we will face in the near future to get moving in a positive direction. Perhaps the repugs will expose his corruption so he can shut the hell up.

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By cyrena, January 10, 2009 at 7:01 am Link to this comment

Wow Cyrena, that’s quite a statement without evidence. I have a question for you?  Are you capable of accepting criticism of any African American?  Are you capable of accepting any supporting evidence of races other than African Americans? 

Sure Shift. I do it all of the time. Ever heard my take on Clarence Thomas? Don’t get me going, but since I’m inclined to suspect that you probably share his ideology, you know what I mean.

I can think of SEVERAL other African Americans that I’m HIGHLY critical of. Take Condi the Rice for instance; she is such a disgrace to the race, the gender, and the Nationality. REALLY an embarrassment to all.

I could go on, but you get the point. Now I don’t understand this part of your question..

“Are you capable of accepting any supporting evidence of races other than African Americans?” Am I capable of accepting any supporting evidence of races other than African Americans? Is that just linguistic ignorance on your part, or are you that fundamentally stupid?

Are you asking if I support the ‘existence’ of other races? Uh yeah…seeing as how I’m multiracial and don’t have a self-hate problem. So WITHOUT A DOUBT, I remain pretty color-blind in my own view.

That doesn’t mean I can’t detect the presence of racial bigotry when I see it though. And, you’ve got it, so I pointed it out is all. It’s not a biggie, because people like you have existed since the beginning of time in all societies. This country was founded on this institutional racism perpetrated against the Indigenous people, and any other NON-white races. So it’s not like I’ve noted anything ‘new’, because there are a handful or so of you on display at all times in these public forums. I just point it out when I notice it. 

So I didn’t make the observation as a point of discussion on my own view of race, but rather to cite the obvious. People like you never understand, (and never will) how revealing your narrative is, at least over time.

In reality, my comment didn’t even deserve a WOW, since it was nothing particularly remarkable. It is what it is.

Guess that’s why you all get kicked off of other public forums. I don’t think it’s so strange that a forum with a progressive agenda would reject reactionary and other voices intended to promote chaos, and thereby prevent any of the progress they work towards. How is that strange to you? If an individual or group decides to build a house, and they use their own materials and their own sweat and labor to put the thing together in a group effort, and you come along and bulldoze over it, (just for the hell of it, because you either don’t like us, or don’t like the house, or wish you had it instead and you don’t) then OF course the people are going to be pissed at the destruction to their own efforts, and run your asses off.

Why does that surprise you? There will ALWAYS be a human reaction from those who are demonized and lied about. Just depends on the form it comes in.

I’m equally convinced, (since the evidence is all over the place)that such bigotry is a leaned social behavior because there are too many races and ethnicities that do NOT practice it.

Just the question you asked me defines your ignorance. That’s another testament to the fact that we’ll never eradicate this ignorance entirely.

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By KDelphi, January 10, 2009 at 12:18 am Link to this comment

Shift and Nannie—When I told my sister that I was banned from CD, she said, “What an honor….what did you say?”. Everyone knows that they regularly practice censorhisp, and, I just dont care to mess with them anymore. I read the articles occasionally.

ALOT of people were banned, and, some let back on. But, who really wants to discuss things with “Joe Hope”? LOL!

Last I was there, posters were complaining that it was getting boring—it does. Censorship is wrong and will be some websites undoing. It will defeat their purpose..

I was at change.gov discussing single payer health care at a friend’s request—-someone started posting posts with my name, saying that I didnt believe in single payer and that Reaganomicds work…it was so stupid.But, I still got emails explaining to me how “capitalism didnt work”, and “HR 676 WOULD work”—I hope that they correct it.

Obamas’ website must be pretty “hackable” despite all the money he has put into it…see you here again or other sites, Nannie..

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By Shift, January 9, 2009 at 11:21 pm Link to this comment

Nannie, thanks for posting the article and your suggestion regarding Nader.org.  Strangely, even in this time of great national stress, ideas not in conformance with the status quo are still considered threatening and the authors are banned from CD and other places.  I even received notifications that someone or one’s were attempting to access my account.  Who knows what may have been posted in my name there.  Anyway, I believe if one doesn’t get banned occasionally they are probably not doing their job in an environment of change.  Conformance is certainly not going to correct the mess this country is in.  People sometimes get frozen in fear of who knows what?  Chicken little’s abound today.  They are an unwelcome carryover from the Twentieth Century and their influence is dwindling.  Carry on….!  Thanks again.

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By Nannie, January 9, 2009 at 10:22 pm Link to this comment

Shift…

Ralph Nader writes every week and his web site is nader.org He also has a search engine to find what ever subject he has written about. Very helpful.

Sorry you were banned too. Golly how many got the ole heave ho I wonder? I sure would like to put my 2 cents in a post to CD. I can read it but can’t post. frustrating…

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By Nannie, January 9, 2009 at 10:13 pm Link to this comment

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/01/09-9

Published on Friday, January 9, 2009 by CommonDreams.org
Open Letter to President-Elect Obama
by Ralph Nader

Dear President-Elect Obama:

You have been receiving a great deal of advice since November 4, 2008 from people and groups who either want you to advance policies not covered in your campaign or who want you to be more specific about initiatives you emphasized.

There are two suggestions which may not be among your store of recommendations that need to be considered before you take office on January 20, 2009.

First, the public would benefit from a concise recounting of the state of the union and where the Bush Administration has left our country. As is your style, you can render such a bright line of serious problems inside and outside the government in a matter-of-fact manner. Otherwise, a blurring of who was responsible for what can taint your presidency.

Second, you need to make a clean break from the Bush regime’s law of rule to our declared commitment to the rule of law as in the firm adherence to constitutional requirements and statutory and treaty compliance. There is a Bush-Cheney stream of criminal and unconstitutional actions which are on auto-pilot day after day. You have pointed out some of these abominations such as a policy and practice of torture and violations of due process and probable cause. The task before you is to break these daily patterns just as soon as you ascend to the Presidency or be held increasingly responsible for them. This can be significantly accomplished by executive orders, agency or departmental directives, whistle-blower protections, enforcement actions and explicit legislative proposals.

With Americans wishing you well in this most portentous of times, the last thing they want to see is you tarnished by the preceding rogue regime and its ruthless monarchical forays. To avoid this contagion of power over law and its contiguous accountabilities at a time when you are striving for a “clean slate” administration, you must be decisive and eschew any excessive harmony ideology which has seemed to be your nature vis-à-vis those who are powerful but are opposed to your views.

One possible impediment to your making a comprehensive clean break for restoring the rule of law is that you have too easy an act to follow. There are a long list of violated civil liberties that need to be restored (the American Civil Liberties Union has compiled a list of immediate actions for you to take), and resolute commitments must be made so that it is clear the United States, for example, will not engage in, or countenance, torture. Only a few restorations, however, would produce a sense of relief and flurry of accolades—but they are hardly sufficient.

There are also regulations and interpretations of statutes that scholars believe to have been erroneous as a matter of law. As one guide for your new era of overdue regulation or reregulation—given the corporate wrongdoing these days—you may wish to refer to the Center for Progressive Reform’s report By the Stroke of the Pen.

The Bush lawlessness and state terrorism are like a contagious disease. If you do not remove their sprawling incidence, you will become their carrier. This means you must move fast to eject the mantle of war criminality and repeated unconstitutional outrages committed in the name of the American people here and abroad.


Sincerely,

Ralph Nader

Ralph Nader is a consumer advocate, lawyer, and author. His most recent book is The Seventeen Traditions.

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By KDelphi, January 9, 2009 at 7:13 pm Link to this comment

Nannie—I would love it if Nader were president!

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By Shift, January 9, 2009 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment

Nannie, many of us here who have been banned from Common Dreams cannot access the letter via the link.  Would you please post the letter here.  Thanks.

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By Nannie, January 9, 2009 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/01/09-9

Published on Friday, January 9, 2009 by CommonDreams.org
Open Letter to President-Elect Obama
by Ralph Nader

Even though CD bans posters sympathic to Nader ideals,they are publishing his weekly articles. This one is even praised by his usual nay saying posters.
Single payer health was foremost in Nader/Gonzalez list of National Issues.

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By KDelphi, January 9, 2009 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

Nannie—Hey! How is it goin? You should not be concerned about posting here…just post whatever you like. Only you have to live with it. Although many would like us to “get in line”, it is the responsibility of progrssives to stand up to those that want to promote neo-liberal policies. I am glad to see you here…

The “Physiciasn for Natl Health Plan” are reporting that Pete Stark is advocating “AmeriCare”, which , would not cover everyone, but, THEY feel that the “gaps could be filled in”.( I rather doubt that they would) Maybe, it would, at least, cover all kids.. now that they are even going to extend kids care to be permanent, ...they had better do something.. gawd…

Why dont progessives understand WHY neo-cons fight single payer as hard as any issue around? It would be a major victory for Dems, and bring lots of progressives on board. Apparenlty, though, with the DLC back in power (and Dean out), they do not want us. We shal have teo remember athat…

I’ll still never surrender…

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By Nannie, January 9, 2009 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment

KD…
“What if I say I would never surrender…”

I love it! Hang in there,you shine a light in this blog.
Many of us who lurk and hesitate to respond,thank you for your posts.

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By Shift, January 9, 2009 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment

Correction from an earlier post:


Title: A Brief Account of the Destruction of the Indies
    Or, a faithful NARRATIVE OF THE Horrid and Unexampled
    Massacres, Butcheries, and all manner of Cruelties, that
    Hell and Malice could invent, committed by the Popish
    _Spanish_ Party on the inhabitants of _West-India_, TOGETHER
    With the Devastations of several Kingdoms in _America_ by
    Fire and Sword, for the space of Forty and Two Years, from
    the time of its first Discovery by them.

Author: Bartolome de las Casas

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/20321/20321-8.txt

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By KDelphi, January 9, 2009 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment

Universal care—LOLOLOL! We cant even get all KIDS covered in thsi country!! Not with either of these partiers runnign things!

CQ TODAY MIDDAY UPDATE
Jan. 9, 2009 – 1:34 p.m.
House Democrats Scaling Back Children’s Health Insurance Plan
House Democrats are scaling back plans to reauthorize the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, as budget scoring problems and rising costs make a five-year bill unlikely.

Instead, they likely will pursue a shorter reauthorization, leaving states that depend on SCHIP money less certain about future funding. House Democrats say they are still planning to base the core of the new SCHIP bill on legislation from the last Congress.

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By Shift, January 9, 2009 at 11:54 am Link to this comment

Cyrena: “Shift, you have revealed and confirmed over and over again on this website, that you’re an ignorant (and you claim toothless)racist. Based on that, you’re likely to do less damage than the KDelphi’s of the world who aren’t so much racist as they are ignorant and neurotic. At least people can ‘see you coming’, and you’re quite constant in your racism. Since it never changes, we know what to expect. “

Wow Cyrena, that’s quite a statement without evidence. I have a question for you?  Are you capable of accepting criticism of any African American?  Are you capable of accepting any supporting evidence of races other than African Americans? 

Recently you denied any connection between genocide and religion.  I cited two original documents and provided links to them that clearly established that connection.  The Papal Bull Inter Caetera established the religious foundation for the genocide of one hundred million Native Americans.  Further I cited and provided the link to the original writings of Bartolome de las Casas evidencing the early horrid results of the implementation of the Inter Caetera.  You failed to respond.  Is your ego so large that you cannot admit when you are wrong?  Here are the links again.  Perhaps you would like to reconsider.

http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/indig-inter-caetera.html

Title: A Brief Account of the Destruction of the Indies
    Or, a faithful NARRATIVE OF THE Horrid and Unexampled
    Massacres, Butcheries, and all manner of Cruelties, that
    Hell and Malice could invent, committed by the Popish
    _Spanish_ Party on the inhabitants of _West-India_, TOGETHER
    With the Devastations of several Kingdoms in _America_ by
    Fire and Sword, for the space of Forty and Two Years, from
    the time of its first Discovery by them.

Author: Bartolome de las Casas

http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/indig-inter-caetera.html

Another point, did you know that the word “redskin” is to Native American’s as the word nigger is to African Americans?  It is !  Yet I have never heard you raise your voice to criticize African Americans playing on the Washington Redskins football team in the Nations Capitol.  Why?  Is it racism?  If Native Americans played on a team called the Washington Niggers would you raise your voice?  I suspect so.  Why the duplicity?  Why the rancor at me when your own house seems to be in disorder?

I am an equal opportunity criticizer.  Are you?  So who is the racist?

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By mill, January 9, 2009 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

Isn’t Mr. Conyers the guy who, though a Democrat, has blocked higher fuel economy standards for US gas-powered vehicles?

Imagine how much less pollution would exist NOW if Conyers did not obstruct (along with the likes of Richard Cheney) better fuel economy?  How many fewer pulmonary illnesses might exist, especially in central city poor neighborhoods, where people and air pollution concentrate?

Yet he has issues with someone for surgeon general who is a trained neurosurgeon?  He’s not qualified to judge Dr. Gupta due to a moral authority deficit.

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By KDelphi, January 9, 2009 at 11:49 am Link to this comment

Hulk—Exactly what we DONT need is a salesman in chief! Gupta did a huge criticism of Moore’s “Sicko”, which was absolutely true—all of it. (I am sometimes not crazy about Moore, but, the facts remain)I will “chill” when people dont have to let their kids die of a toothache…

yes, it is a “symbolic” post. I am not happy with Daschle’s plan at all. I guess I just keep hoping to see SOMEONE “anti-corporate” in his Team!

Outraged—Thanks. Most people have just not read in the details. I am hoping against hope that Obama wil change his mind, and, consdier C onyers’ option. If he talks to him abou Gupta, maybe that wil get the conversation giong.

Damn right, PurpleGirl!

dihey—I saw that, about Dean—I didnt know that there was disagreement, at all! He came up with the “50 state solution”, right?If we had run Dean, instead of letting the media bash him , instead of corporate Kerry, we would not be where we are now. That is my opinion.

What if I say I would never surrender…

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By Hulk2008, January 9, 2009 at 10:19 am Link to this comment

All this furor over a powerless symbolic assignment !!  The Surgeon General under multiple administrations has so far failed to eliminate the adverse effects of tobacco, obesity, counterfeit drugs, caffeine addiction, and nail-biting.  Why should a merely titular assignment bring so much fire?  Isn’t it more realistic to think that what is needed for this slot is rather a kind of “salesman in chief” for health care?  Perhaps the idea was to enlist someone that the public has actually SEEN and by whom they might be influenced (?)
  This remedy for this topic rightly deserves a national “chill pill”.

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By dihey, January 9, 2009 at 9:43 am Link to this comment

Meanwhile Obama has thrown Howard Dean under the bus. I repeat: our next president is a pragmatic coward.

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By cyrena, January 9, 2009 at 7:59 am Link to this comment

Ignorance remains as the most violent element of society

“I know that Conyers did not issue impeachment for Dubya, but, this is a human services issue. I care, and, so do alot of other people who have to accept crappy-ass Medicaid.”

And then…

by Shift, January 8 at 9:25 pm #

Conyers lost all credibility and the moral high ground when he failed to issue articles of impeachment for Bush and Cheney.  Too bad his words mean nothing.

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I could go on, but this gibberish speaks for itself.

NOT that the impeachment of George Bush or Dick Cheney, (as is impeaching Bush and not cheney was gonna do anything) has ANYTHING to do with the selection of a surgeon general, here’s some stuff on Conyer’s an impeachment. Seeing as how he was the first one, (behind Cynthia McKinney) to ever seriously consider it. It might also be helpful for the ignorant among us to know who BLOCKED the resolution by Dennis Kucinich for the articles of impeachment against Cheney - Ron FUCKING Paul!!

http://www.democracynow.org/2007/8/28/conyers_on_impeachment_of_bush_cheney

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/32443

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/52616/conyers_comes_out_for_impeachment/

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31510


Speaking of which Big B, some of us actually DO give more than a Tinker’s damn about who the General Surgeon is, because if it were somebody like Ron Paul, women would be thrown back to the stone ages with the types of policies he would want to insist upon. Like he opposes ALL forms of Birth Control. Calls it ‘social engineering’. Yes, it DOES matter who the Surgeon General is.

Shift, you have revealed and confirmed over and over again on this website, that you’re an ignorant (and you claim toothless)racist. Based on that, you’re likely to do less damage than the KDelphi’s of the world who aren’t so much racist as they are ignorant and neurotic. At least people can ‘see you coming’, and you’re quite constant in your racism. Since it never changes, we know what to expect.

Outraged, how many ‘payers’ are there involved in the health plan that Obama has offered to anybody that wants to take it?

If memory serves me, (and I don’t have far to go to verify this) the medical plan that Obama has suggested is well…A SINGLE PAYER PLAN!!!

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Obama has said that his plan will be the same as that utilized by Government employees, like him. Just for the record, that’s the same system that provides Part B for Medicare patients. Let me say this again, it is a SINGLE PAYER HEALTH plan. The single payee is the government. The plan that you all are so jazzed up about is the plan that Obama has said he will offer, to anyone that chooses it.

If you want to be insured by the government instead of an insurance company, you’ll have that option. This is specifically so that the insurance companies cannot refuse care for pre-existing conditions, or any of the other overtly/grossly criminal actions that were revealed in Michael Moore’s movie, SiCko.

So, what problems do you have with that SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE PLAN, aside from maybe you not even knowing about it? It seems to work pretty well for those who choose to buy into it though Medicare. Part B IS ‘optional’ you know, but most Medicare recipients are willing to pay the premiums in order to have access to that SINGLE PAYER health care coverage, and the doctors prefer it as well.

Meantime, Emma Goldman was still correct; Ignorance is STILL the most violent element of society. 

Seems like we keep getting dumber too.

Meantime, I have to agree that there are probably far better choices for Surgeon General than Gupta, because of the experience thing. I guess it’s helpful that he’s a neurosurgeon, but it would be better if he had some experience in the bureaucracy, which is what seems to be the legitimate concern on Conyers’ part.

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By Purple Girl, January 9, 2009 at 7:52 am Link to this comment

How could a neuro surgeon have any concept of the woes the average American faces regarding Healthcare.
Speicalists like Gupta have no hands on experience. Their patients are wheeled in and wheeled out after surgery.Speicalist such as Gupta, do not have to understand the Insurance shell game, nor serve the uninsured in the City hospital emergency rooms. Surgeons stand in the ivory Towers above the fray. Theyhave no idea who was denied surgery, or treatment. They are not confined to Insurance limitation or ‘accepted’ medications or procedures. Once Their patients reach them someone else has worked out the labrinyth of Insurance coverage avoidance.does he even know how many were denied his services and have died as a result? NO.
Let’s hear it for the General Pracitictioner, the Family Doc…they are the Unsong Heros, They are the Ones Who KNOW what is wrong with our healthcare system, They are the ones who KNOW what health concerns American face and they KNOW how the Insurance Corps have been Killing US for Decades!
Growing Up I lived next to a DO, who worked in the poorest area of Detroit, he had great concerns about th estate of healthcare. My sister is an Anesthsiologist- she doesn’t know shit about the Average Americans healthcare system experience….The Admission dept takes care of weeding out those able to pay and those who are just fucked! Gupta Knows the Surgery Suit, Not the Examining Room, Or the Billing Dept.

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By Outraged, January 9, 2009 at 2:55 am Link to this comment

Re: KDelphi

Your comment: “Good for Conyers! Gupta is a corporate doctor!

I agree.  This is WHY single payer is so tantamount.  Obama’s plan is a recipe for disaster, at least as it stands.  If Obama’s “plan” were to be instituted, it would be favorable to insurance companies.

It would allow them to hack away at coverage and every premise that truly serves the interests of the citizens of America.  Then (after they undermine or exploit it)...the “complaints” will begin to filter in (like the medicaid “doughnut hole”). At that point they’ll simply claim, “See….no one wants this crappy coverage.” 

Single payer on the other hand, would truly be universal AND since ALL AMERICANS would be covered and therefore have their dime in the “pot” this would translate as a devastating blast to the insurance/banking interests.

Single payer could very well “save the day” on many fronts.  Since EVERYONE in America would have a stake in the coverage, this would then be a power position to be reckoned with.  The insurance/banking interests will fight single payer without let up.

Fight hard.  Hang Tough.

H.R. 676

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By P. T., January 8, 2009 at 11:46 pm Link to this comment

Sanjay Gupta should get the Congressional Indian Caucus to back him.

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By KDelphi, January 8, 2009 at 11:23 pm Link to this comment

Good for Conyers! Gupta is a corporate doctor!

I know that Conyers did not issue impeachment for Dubya, but, this is a human services issue. I care, and, so do alot of other people who have to accept crappy-ass Medicaid.

If the Dems want to help this country out of the recession, they need to pass Conyers and Kucinich , HR 676—Medicare for All.

Does anyone remember the interview Michael Moore had with Gupta , after the movie “Sicko”, where Gupta called him a liar, etc? Is THAT “change”?

I am not that crazy about any of Obama’s teams’ picks, now that Richardson is gone to tell you the truth. Hell, I wouoldnt even have picked him.

The GOP HATES the idea of single payer. Dems have all three branches, Now would be the time, a**holes!

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By Shift, January 8, 2009 at 10:25 pm Link to this comment

Conyers lost all credibility and the moral high ground when he failed to issue articles of impeachment for Bush and Cheney.  Too bad his words mean nothing.

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By Big B, January 8, 2009 at 9:36 pm Link to this comment

While i am no fan of Dr Gupta, one should not take seriously any words that leave the lips of the copitulating, uncle tom that CON-yers has proven to be time and time again in his worthless political career. Besides, who gives a tinkers damn who the surgeon general is?

How about some portable, universal healthcare from the gutless dimmos?

Not a chance.

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By GeorgeM, January 8, 2009 at 5:37 pm Link to this comment
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Gupta is another shill from all I can see. He clearly opposes what is desperately needed, NOW more than ever: a national healthcare program. See, e.g.,
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/obamas-pick-surgeon-general-cnns-sanj?highlight=sicko+gupta

We need HR676 to be passed—Conyers’ excellent and comprehensive bill (which I understand is being updated). Not some crap like Baucus is proposing.

Sadly, Obama has shown every sign of pandering and capitulating, before he even begins, to repugnican thugs. (Not the least of which is evidenced by his pick of Rick Warren for the invocation, but is reflected more seriously in picks like Vilsak and Summers.)

Despite deep concerns, I still think there is hope but ONLY if the American people rise up and demand and say YES WE CAN.

Some of us will probably die though before that happens.

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