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Israel Begins Ground War in Gaza

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Posted on Jan 3, 2009
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Israeli infantry soldiers walk in formation on the border as they leave Israel for the northern Gaza Strip on Saturday.

Israeli forces crossed into Gaza on Saturday night, launching ground attacks and seriously ratcheting up the Israeli-Palestinian conflict following a week of bombardment from intensive airstrikes. The United Nations Security Council met that evening in New York about the mounting Mideast crisis.


The New York Times:

The ground campaign brought new risks and the prospect of significantly higher casualties on both sides in a conflict that, even before the ground war started, had already taken the lives of more than 430 Palestinians and four Israelis.

While a ground campaign in densely populated Gaza is likely to increase the civilian death toll there, the Israeli Army also faces new threats. Hamas has had 18 months since Israel withdrew from the territory to smuggle in more lethal weapons against tanks and troops. Its more sophisticated arsenal has been on display over the last weeks, as it has launched scores of longer range rockets from Gaza into Israeli cities.

Israeli officials said they want to strike a hard blow against Hamas, improve Israeli deterrence and significantly change the security situation in southern Israel, where residents have been plagued by rocket fire out of Gaza for years.

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By KDelphi, January 6, 2009 at 11:15 pm Link to this comment

Fadel—I agree, but it would not take ten countries—it would only take one. The only one that totally supports, and pays for, everything that the Zionist Imperialists in Israel are doing.

We blocked a resolution in the uN Security Council—it will not soon be forgotten…not by anyone…

BTW—I havent gotten any news of Venezuela lately—my newsletters stopped—have any links??

The CIA and Chicago Schools didnt try to invade or assassinate Chavez again, did they? You never know about corporatists….

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By Nozferatu, January 6, 2009 at 9:26 pm Link to this comment

Fadel Abdallah:

I DID LIKE YOUR POST!!!  But what I am saying is don’t hold your breath.  And know that the favoritism for Israel is unbounded.  Until that stupidity stops, nothing will change.

If there is any silver lining to this conflict, it is that it exposes the 2 faced barbarians who have conned the world with talk of roses and compassion when they themselves are the biggest racists and murderers themselves.

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By Fadel Abdallah, January 6, 2009 at 6:45 pm Link to this comment

By Nozferatu, January 6 at 1:51 pm #

Fadel Abdallah:

You should know by now that putting your faith in humanity and religion is useless.  Looking for answers from a higher power is useless.  And waiting for other nations to do anything is pointless…unless you are Israel of course.
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Sorry Nozferatu that you did not like my post, though in fact I did not invoke God or expressed faith in humanity.

Having said this, I am not willing to blame God for the evil deeds of evil humans. However, I did condemn humanity at large for failing to stand for justice. Even condemning all humanity is not fair for there are good human beings who are doing their best by speaking against Israeli terrorism and demonstrating against their evil deeds. One courageous man stands out, and that is Chavez of Venezuela, who today closed the Israeli embassy and kicked all its staff from the country. If ten other leaders of this sad world would do the same, I am sure Israel might most likely be brought to its senses.

However, I do have a more practical and radical way to put an end to Israeli and American terrorism and arrogance: that’s few tactical nuclear bombs, like those dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, one to be dropped on the Israeli Knesset, another on the Israeli Ministry of War, a third on the Israeli Dimona nuclear facility, a fourth on the Israel-occupied American Congress and a fifth on the Pentagon.

We might then have a measure of peace in this world! And I hope you will happy!

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By KDelphi, January 6, 2009 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/06/gaza-israel-death-un

Here is a tape of the bombimg of the UN school…the IDF must be insane.

We will never regain respect in the world if we continue to support such war crimes..

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By Nozferatu, January 6, 2009 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

Fadel Abdallah:

You should know by now that putting your faith in humanity and religion is useless.  Looking for answers from a higher power is useless.  And waiting for other nations to do anything is pointless…unless you are Israel of course.

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By Fadel Abdallah, January 6, 2009 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

Yes, for the tenth day Israel continues its terrorist campaign against Palestinians in Gaza and their latest target is a UN school were children were sheltered because Gaza doesn’t have shelters. The number of children massacred is still unknown, and this criminal massacre continues under the watch and hearing of the whole fucken humanity!

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By Folktruther, January 6, 2009 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment

Nozferatu—What you say is quite true but Obamonites have a need to believe in myths to allow them to support Obama.  So, with no evidence, they maintain that Iran or whoever is sending them weapons or their military fight is a false flag operation by the Israelis. 

If you refute one myth, they will just think up others, like Faux news. The support of Obama is not compatible with reason and evidence and the support of the American population.  Not that you shouldn’t do it but that you realize the difficulty of the task, which you probably already do.

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By Nozferatu, January 6, 2009 at 10:53 am Link to this comment

TONY WICHER:

Why then does the myth of Iranian military support persist? One reason is that it has been a long-standing American foreign policy belief that resistance movements cannot exist without state support. Before Iran was targeted as the source for support, Libya was the U.S. bogeyman. It is instructive to look at rhetoric against Libya from the 1980s and see that exactly the same accusations that were leveled at Libya then are being hurled at Iran today.

Finally, Iran does not help matters. The rhetoric of the original Iranian revolution is still alive and well in some segments of Iranian political life. Iran ousted a Western-supported leader, the Shah, and tried in the early days of the revolution to promulgate this action elsewhere in the Middle East. Hezbollah and Hamas were sympathetic rhetorical partners. Iran supported Hezbollah in its early days, but no longer controls its operations. Iran had nothing to do with the founding of Hamas, but sees its conflict with Israel as sympathetic with its revolutionary ideals. This does not mean that Iran is controlling the action.

The more apoplectic visions of Iranian involvement see Iran developing nuclear weapons and supplying them to both Hezbollah and Hamas. However, not only is there no evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapons program; the simple logistics of transfer of such weapons to a place like Gaza are virtually impossible.

For Israel, and the world, blaming Iran for its troubles with Hamas does not advance the peace process. Nor would attacking Iran mitigate in any way the tensions that exist between Israel and its neighbors.

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By Nozferatu, January 6, 2009 at 10:52 am Link to this comment

TONY WICHER:

Your beliefs about Iran and Hezbollah being involved are wrong.  And here is why:

The conflict between Israel and Hamas is not a proxy war between Israel and Iran. This is a myth that has grown up during the Bush administration, and is now widely promulgated with little or no support.
Iran has, it is true, been sympathetic to the Hamas situation, particularly since the U.S.-endorsed Palestinian elections of 2006, when Hamas won a plurality of votes, allowing it to form a government. Subsequently, the new Palestinian government was rejected by Israel and the United States, and an economic embargo plunged the Palestinians into economic chaos. At that point Iran provided substantial humanitarian aid.
In the present conflict, Iran is also sending two ships to provide humanitarian assistance.
However, American and Israeli analysts would have the world believe that Hamas could not carry out any actions against Israel if they were not directed by Iran. As George Joffee of the Cambridge Centre of International Studies maintained in 2006 in an interview with U.S.-based Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty, “The Israeli government has alleged that indirectly through Hezbollah in Lebanon, Iran is engaged in trying to control the events inside the Occupied Territories and there have been allegations with no proof at all, of involvement in some of the more violent activities there. Those links I suspect are largely Israeli propaganda and don’t really carry water.”
The same is true today.
No one promulgating the theory that Hamas’s attacks on Israel are directed by Iran bothers to think much about geography. Hamas has been effectively sealed off from the world by Israel, and by Egypt. The Israelis have essentially controlled the import of food and medical supplies. The idea of Iran shipping arms to Hamas under these conditions is patently absurd. The rockets launched against Israel that started the current conflict were clearly homemade, low-level weapons, not sophisticated arms.
A parallel claim is that Iranians are providing training to Hamas. Given the rhetoric, one would imagine that this is being done on a massive scale. However, on March 9, 2008 the Times of London reported that 150 Hamas fighters were being trained in Tehran. Hamas itself claims to have 15,000 fighters, and Israel has millions of potential fighters at its command. Thus training for a team of 150, if the facts are correct, is hardly much of a threat to Israel.
Hezbollah in Lebanon is sometimes cited as an Iranian cat’s-paw in the region, but Hezbollah has no geographical access to Gaza. Therefore they are limited to leading protests in Lebanon. Timur Goksel, former adviser to U.N. Peacekeepers in Lebanon, told Reuters News Agency on Dec. 30, “With all their rhetoric about Palestine, there is not much [Hezbollah] can do about Gaza, short of getting Lebanon involved in another disaster. So they are leading the popular reaction.”
Egypt is not a conduit for Iranian arms either. President Hosni Mubarak is caught in a dilemma with regard to Gaza. He receives aid from the United States, and has a long-standing peace treaty with Israel. Moreover, his secular government is desperately afraid of Islamic extremism, which they see as a threat. Because Hamas has a religious base, not a secular one like Fatah, its rival for power in the Palestinian community, they are seen as dangerous. For this reason, Egypt has kept the border crossing to Gaza firmly closed except for humanitarian emergencies.

END OF PART 1

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By cyrena, January 6, 2009 at 4:06 am Link to this comment

By diamond, January 5 at 4:16 pm #

How can this be called a war, ground air or any other kind? The Palestinians have no army, no airforce and no navy, they have no weapons of mass destruction and no nuclear weapons. This is not a war, it’s a massacre and no amount of spin and sanatising the facts will change the true meaning of what is going on in Gaza.

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That’s it in the nutshell Diamond, though I’m not convinced that it’s entirely because of the upcoming election. I know that’s a popular theory, but it doesn’t answer why this genocide has been going on for decades.

I suspect that the election may provide one prong of the rationale for the plan, keeping in mind that this latest operation HAS been planned for at least 6 months. (Which means that it has nothing to do with Hamas allegedly firing those soda pop bottles at them either.)

Nope, this is pure and simple Genocide. I’d mentioned on another thread, that the reality of the conditions on the ground in Gaza and the rest of the Occupied Territories is a textbook description of the Genocide Convention. There’s NO ambiguity in the language.

The International Body needs to do their job by first calling it what it is - GENOCIDE- and then stopping it immediately, to be followed by prosecution of all those responsible.

We’ve already got the playbook for this. We just have to rid the International Body of the infectious and oppressive influence of the US and Israel, so they can get on with it.

My ‘guess’ is that’s what’s coming; and they (the slaughterers) know it.

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By Tony Wicher, January 5, 2009 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment

By Spinoza750, January 5 at 11:12 am #

>  The reason I say this is because despite the lengthy duration of the Israeli bombardment of all Hamas infrastructure, these rockets continue to be fired.

Hezbollah was able to fire rockets till the very end and they claimed they could fire many more
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Spinoza, Fadel

Hezbollah is armed by Iran, I believe, and they might well be supplying more sophisticated rockets to Hamas. Just because Israel says this doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Where else would they be getting them? If so then I condemn this interference by Iran. They are just making the war worse and getting Palestinians killed.

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By diamond, January 5, 2009 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment

How can this be called a war, ground air or any other kind? The Palestinians have no army, no airforce and no navy, they have no weapons of mass destruction and no nuclear weapons. This is not a war, it’s a massacre and no amount of spin and sanatising the facts will change the true meaning of what is going on in Gaza.The Palestinians are dying because Livni, Barak and Netanyahu want to win an election. It’s an absolute scandal that the world can be so morally bankrupt as to allow this to go on. Hamas won an election: Bush never won the two elections he claims to have won the simpering jackass, so he has no moral authority on this matter or any other and I wish he would just shut up. The mere sound of his voice makes me want to vomit. As for destroying Hamas, that can only be accomplished by killing everyone who lives in Gaza and the Israelis know it. This is Lebanon II, complete with cluster bombs and dead children. The IDF can only lose since their stated goal (which is, of course, a lie) cannot possibly be achieved.

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By Spinoza750, January 5, 2009 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment

>  The reason I say this is because despite the lengthy duration of the Israeli bombardment of all Hamas infrastructure, these rockets continue to be fired.

Hezbollah was able to fire rockets till the very end and they claimed they could fire many more

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By Folktruther, January 5, 2009 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

No, Fadel.  See my comment on Hedges ‘Lost in the Rubble.

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By Fadel Abdallah, January 5, 2009 at 11:01 am Link to this comment

I have previously commented on the so much exaggerated role of the the so-called “Palestinian’s rockets” in justifying this latest Israeli massacre against the Palestinians. In that connection, I said that these primitive rockets are, at best, more like fireworks that cause more noise than harm or destruction.

However, in exploding the myth of these so-called “Palestinian rockets” I am increasingly inclined to believe that these rockets are a false flag operation perpetrated by Israel as part of this whole scheme. The reason I say this is because despite the lengthy duration of the Israeli bombardment of all Hamas infrastructure, these rockets continue to be fired.

As everyone knows, Israel has the latest and most sophisticated espionage surveillance technology that even supersedes that of the U.S. And in light of this one wonders how during all this long time they have not been able to pinpoint the locations and basis these rockets are fired from and why they have not been bombarded and destroyed. I hope no stupid commentator will tell me that the Palestinians, in this small exposed geographical area, have the mobility capability to move these launching basis around.

In summary, the so-called “Palestinian rockets” are really a false flag operation created and conducted by Israel or its agents inside Gaza.

I wish I can give my Palestinian brethren the credit of their getting militarily sophisticated to increasingly annoy and match Israel’s weapons of mass destruction, however, the reality is that this one new myth is mostly created by Israel to be added to the other old myths about Palestine and the Palestinians to justify their terrorist criminal plans to keep killing Palestinians and creating new fact on the ground!

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By Folktruther, January 5, 2009 at 9:51 am Link to this comment

True, Spinoza, that the American-Israeli powerful deserve our contempt and deserve violence.  And I have elsewhere argued against a non-violence as a Palestinian strategy and for a political-military strategy.

But the national liberation movements of the Muslim people are RELIGIOUS movements, and historically the perverted and barbaric values of traditional religion demands blood.  I think that the Israli power system will self destruct historically because of its internal controdictions, but this nust not include a bloodbath of the Israeli population.

Oppostiion to oppresive power must not include oppostion to the people ruled, and deluded, by power.  A clear distinction between power and the vast majority of the population must be made, because it is the power structure that is responsible for Israeli oppression, not the population inveigled and intimidated by power to support it, or not oppose it.

The same argument has been made that the German people were responsible for the Holocaust.  They didn’t even know about it at the time, since the Nazis conducted it to bolster their power system, not to gain support from the German people.  The leadership must be held responsible, not those obilged or afraid to oppose it.  It is not the soldiers who do the shooting that are responsible for war, but the leaders who plan and implement it.

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By jackpine savage, January 5, 2009 at 7:31 am Link to this comment

In the US, it is a sad fact that our system of government encourages the fringers or most vocal groups to get the most publicity and thus gain the appearance of poular opinion. ~Average American Joe

You mean, like Republicans?

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By fatimatalk, January 5, 2009 at 5:44 am Link to this comment

GAZA MASSACRE

THIS IS NOT A HORROR MOVIE!

THIS IS REAL!

http://vimeo.com/2715560?pg=embed&sec=2715560

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By Spinoza750, January 4, 2009 at 11:22 pm Link to this comment

>>>> Spinoza—Violence alone will never stop violence. Killing a lot of people is the US-Israeli apprach and it is a losing strategy.>>>

I was making a philosophical point in contradiction to the general ideology that violence only begets violence. Israel has had opportunities to Negotiate with Hamas and with Iran for example and they rejected those opportunities. They want control over greater Israel. They want to show their strength and military might.  In my view they should be held in contempt. They deserve a violent response.

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By Folktruther, January 4, 2009 at 10:28 pm Link to this comment

Spinoza—Violence alone will never stop violence. Killing a lot of people is the US-Israeli apprach and it is a losing strategy.  What the Palestinians need, and are pursuing, is a political-military strategy, not bloodshed for its own sake.  One can kill a lot of Jewish men, women and children and this will only inflame Israeli public opinion.

Rightly.  Palestine needs to destroy Israeli tanks, planes, soldiers, and never give up to oppose Isrel’s plundering and violence.  In ruling, violence is s sign of weakness, not strength, because a subdued population will conssent without resistence.  The Palestine strategy is to wear Isreal down over historical time, and this it is doing.

Central to this strategy is strenthening world opinion to oppose Issrael’s crimes.  If instead of thirty thousand demonstrating in NY, 3 million did, I guarantee that Obama would fly out from Hawaii and publically demand a cease fire.  If there was a ten fold or hundred fold increase in demonstrations around the world, there would be a cease fire.

If the earthperson population mobilizes around the world, it subverts the ‘soft’ power that polities need to make economic, military, diplomatic and other agreements with other countries.  If the population mobilized to boycott Israel, Israel could not survive historically. 

It is true that the present leaders like Olmert are totally corrupt and don’t care about what happens to Israel historically as long as they personally retain power now.  But the power structure is weakened continuously by these methods.

That is what the Jewish population in the US don’t understand, that this continuous violence is not a sign of strength but of historical weakness.  And Olmert, may he roast in hell, has said so publically.
Look how the US has lost world power since the large world deomonstrations initiated world condemnation for its criminal invasion of Iraq. 

The US population must join the rest of the world in uniting against the US-Israel polities to make it more and more difficult to pursue their criminal policies.  This does not involve killing a lot of people.

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By Nozferatu, January 4, 2009 at 7:34 pm Link to this comment

HOWARD:

Get your facts straight before you spew more bullshit on these forums:

Gaza antaognizing Israel?  What a joke.

Hamas breaking the ceasefire?  What a joke…Hamas called for an extenstion of the ceasefire until Israel killed 3 Palestianians just before rocket firing initiated again.

Howard you are so full of shit I don’t know where to begin.  I can understand how you can be so arrogant and coy about the whole thing when you have food to eat, water to drink, heat to warm up with, and a job to feed your family…and yes….a home that has four walls and isn’t demolished.

What sort of bastards do people have to be to continuously and blind support this mentality?

You people have taken a chapter out of Hitler’s book and are using it yourselves….you fascist racists.

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By Nozferatu, January 4, 2009 at 7:27 pm Link to this comment

Average American Joe:

It is very unfortunate that all the time you spend around the coffee table sitting and talking with other ignorant “average American joes” hasn’t made you any better.

It would be wiser to spend your time learning about the real history and problems of this conflict instead of wasting your time exchanging propaganda-fed drivel you are pitching back and forth with your “buddies.”

The nonsense you wrote can be taken verbatim from the places like the Bible Network and other lunatic fringe idiots who have no clue on what is going on over there.

The comments you have written, which is a reflection of your beliefs, is unbelievable.  Incredibly ignorant, incredibly short-sighted, and just plain dumb.

Perhaps if you stopped watching Fox News and other right-wing lunatic fringe idiots who have filled your brain with crap, you’d get a better perspective of the reality of issues.

I’m also an average American..with one clear distinction from you….I educated myself in the matters at hand.  You have not.  You suffer from a problem that many Americans suffer from…brainwashing and ignorance.

PERIOD.

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By Average American Joe, January 4, 2009 at 6:41 pm Link to this comment

I consider myself to be an average American with conservative viewpoints.  Some of you are convinced that the collection of marchers and sign wavers on federal steps in various US cities actually represents majority public opinion.  In the US, it is a sad fact that our system of government encourages the fringers or most vocal groups to get the most publicity and thus gain the appearance of poular opinion.  This is a patent falsehood often used by American politicians during elections and political events to steer events somewhat.
  Most Americans I have spoken with over coffee and during work are of a single opinion.  We have no use for fanatical extremists who use any and all tactics long since deemed barbaric and uncivilized by western culture.  If Israel does not wish to meekly submit to a neighbor’s constant barrage of hate and violence, then they should pursue any and all means to end it.  I would not tolerate my neighbor hurling daily hate rhetoric at my family and occasionally throwing rocks through my windows.  Why should a nation state?
  Israel is a nation born of the need to prevent violence against a people persecuted for thousands of years.  Their continued welfare is threatened daily by rhetoric and terrorist violence who stated agenda is to destroy them as a nation and a people.  Who wouldn’t respond in a similar fashion with a similar history?
  As for the claims that violence solves nothing.  That’s a crock of bull.  Violence has solved more disputes more finally than negotiating ever has.  Negotiation is far preferable, of course, as a tool to create a long standing peace, but it only works if both sides are negotiating from a reasonable position with a reasonable goal. Groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, and other extremist groups are NOT reasonable, and are NOT working toward a reasonable goal.
  History has shown that every truce, every peace has been broken by the extremist faction after using the truce or peace as a rearming period.
  So…  talk all you like about how it just isn’t fair that Israel will kill and injure thousands in return for the few deaths and injuries they sustain, but that isn’t the point to all this.  When you are attacked, you either fight or submit.  Israel will not submit and the average American will support their efforts to remain whole and free.  PERIOD.

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By Spinoza750, January 4, 2009 at 4:21 pm Link to this comment

> By Shlomo Ben Katchor, January 4 at 1:16 pm #
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> A futile waste of young lives. The air strikes were working. Why have the technology and economic backing simply to loose more Jews?

  I say with a heavy heart (In part because my nephews live in Israel and are in the army that we need many more dead Jews!!!)

Only violence can stop violence and the more dead Jews the Better.  Nothing else will work.  The rich, the powerful, NEVER give up without a fight, without being throughly defeated. That can’t happen in Gaza but in not too much more history there will be no more Israel. This is not a bad thing.  Maybe if the Jews are smart and stop being militaristic and nationalistic and capitalistic they can continue to live in Palestine as a good neighbor.

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By Spinoza750, January 4, 2009 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment

There has been a lot more activity in the streets for Gaza—-than in a long time—-for the peace movement. This vicious attack on Gaza is the right wings last hurrah and we have to do everything to defeat them and prevent Obama from supporting Israel.

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By troublesum, January 4, 2009 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment

Thank you Spinoza750 for the info.  The msm isn’t reporting how public opinion in the US is turning against the terrorists.  They covered the demonstrations in Europe and other parts of the world but not those in NY and Boston.  MSNBC however is showing graphic photos of the terrorist attack on Gaza.

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By Herman Rosenblat, January 4, 2009 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment
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Why don’t we use Zyklon B to get rid of all those GAZA Palestinian scum and then we don’t have to waste money starving them to death with our blockade of food and medicine.

Plus we can build luxury beach front property for ourselves.

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By Spinoza750, January 4, 2009 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment

E Mail

Many Thousands March for Gaza – as Invasion Begins Largest protest in support of Palestinians ever in NYC

(January 4, 2009) Saturday saw sizable protests throughout the world against the bombing and invasion of Gaza. As the Israeli military began a massive ground invasion of Gaza, including infantry, tanks, and artillery, hundreds of thousands of people were in the streets around the world chanting “Free, Free Palestine!”

Possibly the largest protest took place in New York City where a huge rally in Times Square stretched from 42nd Street south to 36th Street, along 7th Ave. Buses came from throughout the region. Crowd estimates ranged from 25,000 and 30,000. Just before the demonstration started the announcement of the Israeli invasion came over the news wires. An angry march through midtown Manhattan, shut down 42nd St, stalled mid-town traffic and ended at the Israeli Mission to the U.N. At the closing rally, the crowd stretched from 48th to 42nd Street, along 2nd Ave.

Many of the organizers of today’s rally, including Al-Awda: Palestine Right to Return Coalition-NY; the Arab Muslim American Federation; MAS- Muslim American Society NY (Youth Center), National, Queens, NJ, Yonkers; GUPS - The General Union of Palestine Students; BAYAN-USA; Islamic Society of Bay Ridge; International Action Center; December 12 URGENT!

The International Action Center is mobilizing for demonstrations across the U.S. to stop the attack on Gaza, and we are networking with activists across the globe who are taking to the streets against U.S./Israeli war crimes.

Movement; New York City Labor Against the War; Troops Out Now Coalition; Pakistan USA Freedom Forum; International League of Peoples Struggle; F.I.S.T.; and others, announced plans for a rally again next Sunday, January 11 in New York City’s Times Square, beginning at 1 pm.

While much of the U.S. national media limited their coverage of world wide protests to Europe and the Middle East, the size of the New York protest clearly equaled or surpassed other protests. Ty Chandler, reporting at the scene of the protest for New York 1 TV, stated on camera near the Israeli Consulate “This massive crowd is still making its way up 2nd Ave., and you can see the anger and frustration on their face, this crowd is huge, it goes for blocks.”

In Boston, about 1500 people took to the streets to protest the US/Israeli Genocide in Gaza. Chanting “Free, Free Palestine”, “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will Free”, “We Support the Resistance” the demonstrators marched through main shopping area of downtown Boston, stopping at the US Military Recruiters and the Israeli Consulate for mini rallies. The demonstration, called by an ad-hoc coalition formed to protest the US/Israeli massacres in Gaza, was led by a militant contingent of Palestinian youth.

In Atlanta, hundreds turned out for a protest in front of CNN, with 2 black caskets draped with Palestinian flags, and more than 100 signs with the names of people who have died in the assault.

More than 500 marched in Charlotte, North Carolina, where protesters, with Palestinian & Muslim youth at the forefront, took over downtown Charlotte with a sea of Palestinian flags & energetic chants.

Around 1,000 people stretched across the steps in front of Philadelphia’s City Hall for a rally targeting U.S. funding for the Israeli war against the Palestinian people in Gaza. The crowd predominantly Palestinians, youthful, and militant. Chants targeted the terrorist nature of Israel’s bombing in Gaza. Speakers linked budget cuts in Philadelphia that will close 11 libraries to U.S. funding of Israeli bombs being dropped on elementary schools. Passing motorists honked in support. Media Coverage:

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By Libarchist, January 4, 2009 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

Howard

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I agree —the Israelis are their friends; it is the Western intelligence agencies, that are inflaming the situation.

I will not explain all the reasons, why the Arab nations are turning away from a good deal for all of those involved in seeking peace, but it would be best to just ignore American politicians or groups, like the UN—and deal directly with the Israelis.

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By Howard, January 4, 2009 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

It is Hamas’s fault.  Among the worst leaders in history. Purposefully antagonized the Israeli’s with incessant missles and rockets for the last 6 months.

They wanted Israel to come in.  They are looking for world sympathy. Only one who obviously can help them since abosolutey no one else wants to is Israel. All they got to do is stop the rockets. More money and goods and a fresh burgeoning country could get started.  Even the arab petro states would send in many billions to kick-start an economic growth but they don’t want a new arab area to show them up apparanetly. Those lip service arab neighbors want them to stay on the U.N. dole.  Have something to rail against.  Keep their people’s ire directed away from their leadership and lack of advances in the 21 century.

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By P. T., January 4, 2009 at 2:35 pm Link to this comment

How to cope with their Achilles’ heel—rocket or missle attack vis-a-vis Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran—while they still get what they want—land and water—has the Israelis flummoxed.

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By Shlomo Ben Katchor, January 4, 2009 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment
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A futile waste of young lives. The air strikes were working. Why have the technology and economic backing simply to loose more Jews?

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By troublesum, January 4, 2009 at 2:12 pm Link to this comment

P T
You are giving them too much credit.  As they invade Gaza they are worried that Iran will develope a nuclear bomb before they finish the job.  This is exactly how an insane person thinks.  As he tries to manage one enemy, he wonders what his other enemies are up to behind his back.  Everyone is an enemy, no one can be trusted.  Before he’s finished dealing with one enemy, he’s got another.  The saddest part is that our own leaders of both parties believe that this is sane behavior and they support it.

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By P. T., January 4, 2009 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment

Israel sees the ability of its enemies to strike within Israel as its Achilles’ heel.  That ability is an impediment to Zionist expansionism.  Israel is unsure of how to cope with the problem.

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By troublesum, January 4, 2009 at 1:00 pm Link to this comment

I don’t know if anyone has linked to this yet.  Our opinions mean nothing to democratic leaders.  http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/01/02/israel

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By Folktruther, January 4, 2009 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment

You are right, Jackpine.  “Wholesale and wanton slaughter’ is the point of the invasion.  As Finklestein pointed out, the policy issue is to reestablish the ‘Israeli deterent’, that is fear of Israel.  This is being done by terrorizing the Gazans, and inflicting massive casualities.

What I don’t understand is why they invaded rather than simply doing through bombing and artilliary.  There are no military targets. A writer from a paper in the middle east just informed me that Israeli planes have stopped dropping leaflets telling the Gazans to flee (while preventing them from doing so) and are now dropping leaflets for the Gazans to point out military targets.  Possibly to their agents in Gaza.

There are world wide demonstrations against the Israeli invasion, just as their were against the Irazq invasion.  these are by no means useless as they help the long term erosion of Israeli ‘soft’ power, punishing Israel and its leaders for political crime they way that national laws punish and deter indivuidaal criminals.

Over historical time, as such demonstratios increase, they strengthen world opinion to deminish the political crimes of national power structures.

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By P. T., January 4, 2009 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment

Israel’s labeling of any rocket attacks in Sderot, Israel as terrorism is bizarre.  Sderot harbors Israeli soldiers and reservists.  By Israel’s own standards Sderot is a legitimate target.

The Zionists’ hypocrisy is breathtaking!

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By Nozferatu, January 4, 2009 at 12:02 pm Link to this comment

Believe me…jews never let anyone forget that…at the expense of forgetting everyone else.

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By jackpine savage, January 4, 2009 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

Nozferatu,

I know, i know.  But sometimes the things that are known need to be repeated so that they’re not forgotten…like the Holocaust.

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By Nozferatu, January 4, 2009 at 11:58 am Link to this comment

Jackpine Savage:

Israel has been using cluster bombs for decades.  They are illegal…as are the white phosphorous munitions both the US and Israel use.

But hey…who cares what Israel does…they are messengers of the Gods and superior to every man, woman, and child on this planet right?

Their license to kill and right to live is far higher and more warranted than anyone else on earth….as dictated by God.

Let’s hope that the medicine tube food feeds both ways.

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By Nozferatu, January 4, 2009 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

MMADDEN:

The problem with statements like yours is that they come from complete utter ignorance or denial.

Dumb comments like “Defend yourself Israel” stem from no understanding or appreciation for the historical view of whats going on.

You could not possibly understand what people in Gaza are going through and you will never understand since you demonstrate to not have the capacity to do so.

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By felicity, January 4, 2009 at 10:53 am Link to this comment

Wonder if the Israelis, now that they’re ‘in’ Gaza, will be planting minefields like they did in Lebanon before they left in 2000. They were asked by Lebanese and humanitarian groups to provide maps of them but refused.

And then there are those bomblet things.  At last count, which I’m sure has increased since, there are about 1,000,000 unexploded anti-personnel bomblets scattered across villages and farmlands (mostly American made). (Stepping on one plays hell with a body, particularly little ones like children have.)

Would Israel even abide by a resolution coming from the UN or other international bodies.  The International Court of Justice quite a while ago said the Wall violates international law, building had to cease, what was up had to be taken down.  Israel argued that human rights treaties do not apply to what she does in the Palestinian Territory or the West Bank.  Safe assumption the treaties don’t apply in Gaza either.

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By jackpine savage, January 4, 2009 at 8:33 am Link to this comment

At least one military commentator has pointed out (sorry, no link, private email) that the IDF is using cluster artillery munitions.

Pictures here: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5443427.ece

It suggests that Israel is not so confident in its ability to defeat Hamas in battle.  Or it suggests that wholesale and wanton slaughter is actually the point of the exercise.

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By mmadden, January 4, 2009 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

Defend yourself Israel. If Canada of Mexico were lobbing missiles into our country what would you people do? Say that we should just allow the missiles to land?

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By mmadden, January 4, 2009 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

Making war on civilians is repugnant. If an Israeli citizen wipes out some people in a Mosque that is not the the fault of Israel. It is the Israeli shooter’s responsibility. In your article you stated that is when your hero decided to declare war on the Israeli citizens.

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By Purple Girl, January 4, 2009 at 6:46 am Link to this comment

Perhaps now we can have a really converstion about the sins of the Isreali Gov’t.
I am sooooo sick of ‘Christians Freinds of Israel’ and Unfettered Influence Jewish Politicans have upon OUR Democracy…No Public Servant (elected or appaointed ) should have a Duel citizenship with any other country, That is a direct Conflict of interest. What’s the bush Admin up to in total people with Duel Allegiences?
Honestly I have begun to Pray that 3 bolts of Lightening come down and obliterate the 3 ‘holy’ sites in Israel. It wouldn’t just Humble the Religious Fanatics, it would finally put perspective on the Fact Israel is nothing but a scratch of Dirt..No Resources therefore Nothing to fight over.
Granted the reasons for fighting has become more intricate than that, but wouldn’t it put their priorities and Faiths into question?
I have come to hate Israel as much as I hate the Saudi’s (not the people, just their Gov’ts, Like I have hated ours for 3 decades)..both have interfered and infiltrated OUR Democractic Free market.Continued Deveolpement to make Oil nothing more than sludge, will end the infection called OPEC.This is possible through Human ingenuity, Unfrotunately that is not acceptable when it comes to these Brick & Mortar Idols, so we can only hope for Divine intervention to fianlly level them.

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By troublesum, January 4, 2009 at 5:27 am Link to this comment

So the US has blocked the latest UN Security Council resolution.  When Israel goes on a nuclear rampage, Washington will go into “no one could have forseen this” mode.

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By Dezmondo, January 4, 2009 at 2:40 am Link to this comment
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Isn’t it just marvellous, the rest of the world knows what’s best for others, though they themselves have there own problems. America is a cess pit but knows how others should live, as does UK, and Australia, China with its disgusting human rights record knows how others should live.
Also lets not forget the Arab nation, that can not live together, They not only know how others should live, they will do there utmost to force it on you.
So perhaps, Just perhaps, if all the do good-ers , started to look after there own countries, and people.
Then Israel, and Palestine could sort there own problem out without interference, the problem would solve itself.
Then with us all minding our own business, BLISS. 
But alas Human nature dictates we must interfere ( Its our nature).
We will never learn, and there possibly will never be peace.  So Sad.

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By Libarchist, January 4, 2009 at 2:11 am Link to this comment

Nozferatu
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I don’t know if all read my work; but I wrote a few lettters to have Nelson Mandela released from prison, and some too have a Soviet prisoner released—and he was and; the Soviet Union became a democracy. They never wrote me back, but I am happy.

I did receive notes or letters responding to my letters from Benjamin Spock, Edward Albee, I. F. Stone, Sam Donaldson,  and Aaron Brown.

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By Nozferatu, January 4, 2009 at 12:31 am Link to this comment

Libarchist…

Does anyone really care what you say? 

Noz.

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By Carp, January 3, 2009 at 9:51 pm Link to this comment
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These dirty hamas have been lobbing crude rockets into Israel since they took power in 2005. Let someone lob rockets into your backyard for three years and see how pissed off you get. I guarantee that you would not just sit there an let these radicals bomb the crap out of your home, Unless you are spineless. Talking does nothing when these radicals want everyone who doesn’t believe in their religion dead. To them a peace treaty is not worth the paper it is written on. It would be a waste of time. These bottom feeders need to be wiped off the face of this planet once and for all. Innocents should be spared at all costs, but these crazies that want all of the jews and christians dead at all costs should be wiped out just like the damn dirty Nazi’s. I think we should help Israel defend themselves at all costs.

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By troublesum, January 3, 2009 at 9:31 pm Link to this comment

If an individual behaved the way that Israel does, he would have been locked up a long time ago.  The crazy aunt or uncle in the attic gets out into the street and goes on a rampage of killing people and the athorities blame the victims.  The media and the US government insist that we talk about the situation as though it were normal; as though the Israeli leadership were not operating under a collective psychosis.  MSNBC posted an article from Newsweek entitled “Israel’s greatest fear.”  Their greatest fear turns out to be that during the time they are invading Gaza, Iran will have time to develope a nuclear weapon.  They are certifiably insane, and we should stop playing the game of the msm and the US government by talking about it in their terms as though it were normal, sane behavior.  If we continue to do so we will lose our own sanity.

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By Libarchist, January 3, 2009 at 9:13 pm Link to this comment

mattii
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The Arab peace plan was rejected by the Israelis.

As far as I see it—Israel should stop all negotiating with the Arab terrorists.

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By matti, January 3, 2009 at 9:02 pm Link to this comment

To Fellow USAns:

Still gonna pay your federal taxes?

Just Curious,

-matti.

P.S. Love the rabid “Pro-Israel” people that always hop so quickly out from under their bridges to chime in whenever the State of Israel commits a new atrocity or crime against the peace. The call for “eviction” of “citizens” from the West Bank and Gaza, followed by a ONE HUNDRED YEAR period of holding these parts of Palestine hostage is my new favorite. Not just for its seperation from history or reality but also for its “Sauron the Great” tone. This has gotta be a put on right? Even if its not, lie to me and tell me it is. I don’t know if my brain could take it otherwise.

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By Libarchist, January 3, 2009 at 8:41 pm Link to this comment

By Robert

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They should lay down their arms and surrender, to the Israelis.

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By Shift, January 3, 2009 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment

Israeli Neo-Zionists are to be condemned for their genocide against the indigenous Palestinian People.  This naked truth is obvious and no amount of propaganda or the passage of time will change this.  War criminals must be caught and tried both in Israel and the United States.

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By Nozferatu, January 3, 2009 at 8:31 pm Link to this comment

The IDF is a joke.  It is backed by politics and up against people who have no weapons.  So they are legends in their own minds.  They haven’t come up against a real enemy that can put them in their place probably within a day.

Fighting people who are throwing stones, have no electricity, etc…is a joke.

They’re legends in their own minds. 

These people are no better than the Turks that massacred 1.5 million Armenians and the Nazis who killed more than 20 million Russians.

I think this will be the last stand for the jews and Israel.  The world has had enough and is running out of patience with this egotistical, shit-stirring group.

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By Robert, January 3, 2009 at 8:23 pm Link to this comment

Residents of Gaza were warned earlier today “to get out of harms way”…. Where are they supposed to go?????
All entries to Israel are locked…. the border to Egypt is nothing but a huge wall…. the people of Gaza are virtually imprisoned in the Strip…

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/01/03/gazans-humanitarianly-advised-to-get-out-of-harms-way-by-israelis/

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By jackpine savage, January 3, 2009 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment

Whatever the outcome, the process will not be pretty.  According to some, the IDF is not anymore the fearsome fighting force of legend.  They also called up reserves, though it’s hard to say if they’re for combat or reinforcement.  The Palestinians fighters aren’t know for their discipline and military precision.

And all of this will take place in one of the world’s more crowded slivers of land; amongst civilians; and in an very urban environment. 

If Hamas is actually armed heavily and if they managed to learn anything from Hezbollah (a big if since they’re apparently still riddled with Israeli agents), then the IDF may well have real trouble.  Not at an ass whooping like in Lebanon, but serious difficulties.

Maybe that’s why Obama’s still mum: he wants to wait and see who wins before he takes a side.

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By Libarchist, January 3, 2009 at 8:10 pm Link to this comment

eileen fleming

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The UN is worthless; they only want the conflict to continue.

There never was a collective unconscious starting point; but one could be created between Israel and the Arab nations.??

Most of the politics in the Middle East is centered around the hot button issue of religion; which in itself will create controversy, then violence.??

Why not create a universal law of separation of church and state in the Middle East, that all sides would agree with?

As a half Jew pacifist; I have researched it, and frankly the Arabs should work with the Israelis to write such a agreement, as a new starting point. The UN, and most of the Western world wants the conflict to continue, but both the Arabs and Israelis have a personal reason to want it to end.

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By steve rogers, January 3, 2009 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment
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Its about time Israel stood up for itself against these trouble makers all they had to do is stop firing rockets .What a bunch of idiots .make us proud here in Tennessee. GO IDF

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By Libarchist, January 3, 2009 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

eileen fleming

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The UN is worthless; they only want the conflict to continue.

There never was a collective unconscious starting point; but one could be created between Israel and the Arab nations.??Most of the politics in the Middle East is centered around the hot button issue of religion; which in itself will create controversy,then violence.

Why not create a universal law of separation of church and state in the Middle East, that all sides would agree with???

As a half Jew pacifist; I have researched it, and frankly the Arabs should work with the Israelis to write such a agreement, as a new starting point. The UN, and most of the Western world wants the conflict to continue, but both the Arabs and Israelis have a personal reason to want it to end.

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By elia jackson, January 3, 2009 at 6:19 pm Link to this comment
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israel dominates the world, let’s face it! the USA sends billions of dollars in that direction, why???? most american’s don’t even know this. i feel that this is ridiculous and it is time to stop!!!
president carter is right, what is going on there right now is apartheid!! leave those palestinans alone and let them live like normal people!!!

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By eileen fleming, January 3, 2009 at 6:14 pm Link to this comment

Email from Gaza:

Dear All,

I would like to inform everyone that Paltel Infrastructure is severely damaged in Gaza, all means of communication with the Gaza Strip will be highly affected and may totally cut of; this will include PALTEL , Hadara and Jawwal Mobile services we are experiencing, Loss of Fuel, infrastructure damage by missiles, towers hit by rockets,  ….

Our technical Staff are unable to fix the damages due to the delicate situation especially after the death of 3 employees while on duty , and dozens hurt from shrapnels

Our teams are working around the clock, to maintain the service and   keep the communications up with gaza

We hope that this nightmare will end, and we wish safety for everyone.

  http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=34556

Best Regards
Mustafa Deeb

In 2005 i wrote:

...what a farce the so-called disengagement in Gaza was. The Israeli government still controls all access to Gaza by land, sea, and air…in the past year, 12,800 new settlers have moved into the West Bank — 50 percent more settlers than were evacuated.


This is no withdrawal, this is BS! Until Palestinians have control of Gaza’s borders and a guaranteed passage between Gaza and the West Bank, it is not a withdrawal; it’s just BS propaganda! And Gaza is less than 6 percent of the occupied territories, and that leaves 94 percent of Palestinian territories under the boot of the IDF. The corruption in the PA government and hot tempers from those under occupation are a powder keg that’s getting ready to blow! What’s it going to take to wake the world up to the fact that most of our problems with radical Islamist fundamentalist militants leads us back to the conflict in Israel and Palestine? All roads do indeed lead to Jerusalem. What’s it going to take before the International community gets it together and insists, in unity, upon the upholding of international law as the rule we all live by? And that includes Israel and America, too, for both ratified the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. I wonder, what’s the point of signing on, but then not doing it?

What’s it going to take to wake up the legions of blind U.S. Christian Zionists to their indifference to the misery of their sisters and brothers in Israel and Palestine? Their blind allegiance to the Israeli government has allowed our best friend in the world to become a big bully. What’s it going to take to break through the ignorance that hard-earned U.S. tax dollars are being used to continue the occupation and apartheid wall?

The Rest:

http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1144&Itemid=213

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By Nozferatu, January 3, 2009 at 6:01 pm Link to this comment

If the world needed any more proof of how barbaric and blood thirsty Israelis are, this is it.

Military forces from around the world need to start bombarding Israel into submission before this gets out of hand. 

Enough is enough. 

We can forget about the US helping since US nostrils are currently filled to the brim with Israeli feces and an Israeli hand is up US ass so far up that it’s coming out of their nose too.

What a disgusting partnership.  What a disgusting group of people for supporting such genocide.  Let’s hope that this at the very least stops jews from milking the world of money and sympathy due to what happened to them a mere 60 years ago because they are the same shit that the Nazis were…not one iota better.

Hamas was elected freely and democratically.  What more do these fascist jews want from these people?  How can you demand negotiations when on one side you ask for the world and on the other side you starve the very same people you ask to negotiate with? 

Israel and jews learned from Hitler well.

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By Libarchist, January 3, 2009 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment

The Arab Peace Plan—is not possible.

Why not create a new plan, written by both the Israelis and the Arab nations?

For example, if I was to draft one for the Israelis, I would say,, that the West Bank and Gaza would have all its citizens evicted, over a five year period.

That area would be called Israel, then over a one hundred year period, if no violence was done by the Arab nations, then Israel, would create a city called Palestine… for another fifty years, and if no violence took place between everyone, then there could be a two state agreement—that would be signed at that time in the future.

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