Top Leaderboard, Site wide
November 27, 2014
Truthdig: Drilling Beneath the Headlines
Sign up for Truthdig's Email NewsletterLike Truthdig on FacebookFollow Truthdig on TwitterSubscribe to Truthdig's RSS Feed

Get Truthdig's headlines in your inbox!


Weather Extremes Will Be the Norm As World Warms




Joan of Arc


Truthdig Bazaar more items

 
Ear to the Ground

Scores Killed in Israeli Air Attacks on Gaza

Email this item Email    Print this item Print    Share this item... Share

Posted on Dec 27, 2008
Palestinians
AP photo / Hatem Omar

Palestinians carry a body out of the rubble after an Israeli missile strike in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip, on Saturday.

More than 150 people were killed and hundreds more wounded Saturday during Israeli airstrikes on Gaza, which were launched in retaliation for last week’s rocket attacks on Israel by the Palestinians, according to Israeli officials.


Times Online:

Around 30 missiles destroyed security compounds run by the militant group Hamas in the centre of Gaza City, killing dozens and leaving many buried under the rubble.

More than 250 people have also been wounded in the attacks, said Gaza Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain.

The strikes came after the expiry of a truce with Hamas. Israel said they were launched in response to continued rocket fire by Palestinian militants against Israeli towns.

An Israeli military statement claimed the operation targeted “Hamas terror operatives” as well as training camps and weaponry storage warehouses.

Hamas immediately vowed to carry out revenge attacks on Israel. “Hamas will continue the resistance until the last drop of blood,” said the group’s spokesman Fawzi Barhoum, speaking on a Gaza radio station.

Read more

More Below the Ad

Advertisement

Square, Site wide

New and Improved Comments

If you have trouble leaving a comment, review this help page. Still having problems? Let us know. If you find yourself moderated, take a moment to review our comment policy.

By namer, December 27, 2008 at 11:19 am Link to this comment

godistwaddle, December 27 at 10:05 am wrote:

“It’s really too bad that the U.S., the only real victor from WWII, apparently feeling guilty about ignoring the Holocaust, determined that Israel should be founded in the Palestine Mandate territory.”

You know nothing about this subject. The US made no such determination at any time; Israel’s permanence as the homeland of the Jewish nation is etched in history, which, apparently, you have either never learned or have willfully ignored.

The nascent modern State of Israel was essentially in place decades before Hitler slaughtered 6 million Jews. The renewal of Jewish sovereignty was only made more timely by Germany’s crimes, not because of it.

And finally, a real Palestinian is Jew, since “Palestine” was the name the occupying Romans gave to Israel in a failed attempt to erase the Jewish identity of the land and its indigenous people. Any cursory reading would have shown you that pre-1948 Jews in what was to be renamed Israel were known as “Palestinians”, not the local Arabs. Learn before you post.

Report this

By omop, December 27, 2008 at 11:13 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

To namer:

  If you can turn a blind eye on the Palestenians?Gazans other humans like you can turn a blind eye on anyone they please.

Report this
godistwaddle's avatar

By godistwaddle, December 27, 2008 at 11:05 am Link to this comment

It’s really too bad that the U.S., the only real victor from WWII, apparently feeling guilty about ignoring the Holocaust, determined that Israel should be founded in the Palestine Mandate territory.  We should have placed Israel in Delaware.

Of course, the Delawarians would probably have objected, as the Palestinians have objected.  But it would be amusing to see aggrieved Delawarians firing rockets at their former homes, eh?

Report this

By namer, December 27, 2008 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

omop, December 27 at 9:30 am wrote:

“It is common knowledge among decent human beings to judge others on their actions.”

And the actions of the people of Gaza after being handed control of their territory to themselves after Israel forcibly removed every single Jew were to:

a) choose Islamist terror group Hamas to represent them

and

b) begin a relentless rain of more than 5,000 missiles targeting 200,000 civilians living in towns and cities near Gaza

c) whilst continuing to send death squads of Hamas killers to infiltrate into Israeli land to slaughter Jews

Now Hamas reaps what they sow. Long-overdue judgment is being passed, finaly. And shame on you for turning a blind eye to the crimes of the Gazan Arabs and to the suffering of the Israeli people.

Report this

By Alastair Johnson, December 27, 2008 at 11:00 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

The Palestinians have nobody to blame but themselves. If you constantly fire rockets at your neighbours, indoctrinate your children as terrorists, spend aid money on weaponry, and site terrorist HQs in residential areas, you simply can’t complain when you find yourself on the receiving end. You can bleat all you want about “zionism” and “repression” and “USA” but that’s entirely irrelevant. Israel is 100% in the right, and has every right to defend itself using whatever force it deems fit. It is inexcusable for anybody to defend the Palestinians just because they might share a common belief in a prehistoric concept of some invisible “god”. It is time that the muslim world denounced Hamas and all that support this vile band of warmongerers. Get a grip on reality, and blame those who perpetuate the situation, not those defending themselves against these Islamic lunatics.

Report this

By omop, December 27, 2008 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

It is common knowledge among decent human beings to judge others on their actions.

The actions taken by the Israelis in shooting/killing Gazans as if they were fish in a barrel is both in black and white and in color.

The recent action taken by the President of the USA and reported by the BBC attests to the character and integrity of what is the image of america throughout the world.

President Bush on Christmas eve PARDONED A DEAD MAN. THE MAN HAD PROVIDED GOLDA MEIR WITH B-17 US MADE BOMBERS TO HELP IN   KILLING PALESTENIANS.

FOR MORE DETAIL PLEASE READ THE LINK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7799170.stm

Report this

By kellina, December 27, 2008 at 10:27 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

This is so absurd - as I read the news of the Israeli strike on Gaza, several thoughts occurred to me:

1) Most Israelis descend not from the people occupying present-day Israel, but from what is largely present-day Georgia.

According to Israeli historian Shlomo Sand (as written up in Haaretz: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/966952.html), 90% of world jewry are Ashkenazi, and descend from the Kingdom of the Khazars, whose rulers forced the population to convert to Judaism for expediency (so they could trade and thrive sandwiched between Orthodox Christians on one side and the Ottoman Turks on the other).

2) The Palestinians are more “semitic” than those individuals oppressing them, starving them, building “jews-only” roads, bulldozing their homes and (generations-old) vineyards, penning them in like animals, cutting them off from medical supplies, food, water, raw materials for industry, red cross, international inspectors, etc.

3) If you criticize Israel, you get labelled “anti-semitic,” which is in fact a “motive fallacy.” Someone making an argument may in fact despise jews and be highly motivated to undermine them, but such motivation has nothing to do with the quality of his/her arguments. He/she may be right or wrong, but the judgment of truth or falsity must be made solely with regard to the intrinsic quality of the arguments—not the person’s motivation.

4) The point of calling people “antisemitic” is to supposedly ward off another holocaust, completely denying the holocaust that is now occurring in Gaza right under our noses by those who claimed “never again.”  Gaza has been turned into a concentration camp – and Israeli soldiers are firing rockets on unarmed civilians in this camp.

5) Was there in fact a “holocaust” of European jewry?  That’s an interesting question. Do I believe the Holocaust was fake? Well, I believe the worst holocaust (death by fire and radiation) happened in Japan at the hands of the Americans. People were evaporated in mid-air, turned to shadows on the sidewalk. There was another holocaust in Dresden - firebombing civilians in their homes counts as a fiery death, too. This is terrorism - killing civilians. Lots of jews were rounded up, many were killed. Many jews died in the labor camps, too, but more toward the end of the war, when, sadly, supply lines were cut off by bombing, and food rations did not make it to the camps. Typhus spread (via lice), and devastated already malnourished people. The corpses shown in pictures did not die of gassing. Why delouse someone whom you’re planning to gas? Why provide swimming pools, theatres, bordellos, and why issue currency to those you’re going to extinguish? Why tattoo their arms? Why shave their heads? Why give them shoes and uniforms? These were work camps making munitions for the war.

All the death camps in Germany were revised officially as being work camps. So now (officially) all the death camps were supposedly in Poland - conveniently off limits to inspection until after the fall of the iron curtain. All the so-called evidence for the gassing comes from tortured confessions and biased eye-witnesses. Many of the eye-witness’ claims have since been proved false (e.g., human soap, lampshades). There are no ash-heaps, no gas chambers, only buildings for delousing. It would take properly built gas-chambers to kill people - the cyclon-B supposedly used is not fast-acting and would have (if deadly) killed the workers supposedly pulling corpses out of the ovens. And those corpses would had to be buried or, even if burned, their ashes disposed of. And where could the bodies be burned? In open pits? Not possible. Too much oxygen and bodies wouldn’t burn piled on top of each other. And there were fuel shortages, so why would the Nazis use fuel needed for the factories to burn humans? Allied fly-overs would have seen this activity – such photos taken at the time show nothing of the sort.

Report this

By kellina, December 27, 2008 at 10:26 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Google “David Cole interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper” - often the video has been pulled, but text or a torrent will still be available. There’s no evidence of ashes or even any disturbance of the ground at Treblinka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCwpjsS-6H4). Auschwitz officially revised downward their death toll from 4 million to 1.5 million, still everyone talks about the 6 million.

The number of jews who died is estimated to be closer to 700 thousand—still a horribly high number. Why did it have to be artificially inflated? To help the cause of Israel? Perhaps. Curiously, the number of Jews in all of what was eventually Hitler-controlled territory did not even add up to 4 million, let alone 6.

The fact that anyone (political prisoners of any persuasion, communists, gays, gypsies, poles, etc.) died is wrong. Hitler was wrong to take territory. He was a slimey bastard. But inflating numbers is bad history. Truth is the cornerstone of democracy and freedom.

So yes, there was a holocaust. But a specifically Jewish Holocaust? No. Even more german soldiers were starved in camps _after_ the war by General Eisenhower. That’s a war crime right there. The Allied powers and the Soviets had lots of crimes to cover up; blaming the Germans helped create a smoke-screen. The victors write history, ne c’est pas? And the Germans were so anal - they kept records of everything - why wouldn’t they have kept records of some master plan to rid the world of Jews? The Catholic Church was silent on the Holocaust because there was none - no organized plan to kill Jews.

6) If there had been no (specifically Jewish) Holocaust, no one would be a bit sympathetic to the Israelis, their $3 billion in US aid would dry up immediately, and the US might even invade them in retaliation for their behavior against the US (spying, bombing, stealing nuclear secrets, infiltrating and blackmailing politicians, false-flag terrorism—USS Liberty and 9/11).

So go ahead and call me an anti-semite – throw in all the ad hominem you’ve got. Put me in jail for failing to believe the “holocaust,” too. No one can force me to believe anything. My only religion is truth. If I see evidence, I’ll change my mind.

I support the Palestinians. And I’ll never forget Rachel Corrie, an American activist murdered while defending Palestinian homes. She got run over by a dc-9 caterpillar bulldozer. The driver than backed up over, just for good measure. Did the Israeli gov’t indict him? Naw, they gave him a medal!

And Israel asks us to invade Iran? Iran (Persia) who’s not invaded another country for 3,000 years? The Iranians signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and are building a power station. Uranium needs to be enriched only to 3% for a power station, but up to 98% for a bomb - that would take a year and it would be obvious to inspectors, who are allowed to inspect. Israel, on the other hand, has a nuclear reactor hidden under their power station at Dimona, refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty, denies they have bombs, etc. Please.

Report this

By David Eason, December 27, 2008 at 10:23 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

The logic of the situation for the past 40 years generates death and destruction which will only end with the obliteration of the Palestinian people, Israel, or both.  Barring a major change in course within Israel (e.g., abandonment of all settlements), the U.S. alone is in a position to call a halt, but will not do so until its politics and foreign policy are freed from the excessive influences and effects of the “pro-Israel” lobby. Any guesses as to how and when that will happen?

Report this

By dihey, December 27, 2008 at 10:23 am Link to this comment

This is bound to become a gigantic dilemma for PE and later for POTUS Obama. The Muslim world is up in arms. How can he improve “our standing” in this world without even slightly antagonizing Israel? Sitting on the fence, his favorite resting place, is dangerous because there is no way of predicting to which side he will eventually fall down and fall down he will. Will there be someone in the US that can put Humpty-Dumty together again?

PE Obama cannot remain silent. He must make his position clear including the entire pre-history of what happens in Gaza now. His belligerent statements to AIPAC may already have destroyed any semblance of even-handedness he might try. I believe that his AIPAC speeches were the acme of stupidity. If you were an Arab, would you believe anything this Israel brown-noser says?

Report this

By namer, December 27, 2008 at 10:22 am Link to this comment

Some on-point comments from readers of today’s Washington Post website:

“If the Palestinians want to stop this, all they have to do is eradicate the Hamas perpetrators. It’s as simple as that. Allowing the Hamas to launch rockets form civilian sites make them no longer innocent and I have no sympathy for their losses.”

“The Philistines chose war instead of a state in 1948 and again in 2005 when the israelis left Gaza to themselves”

“No responsible government would allow its citizens to live under the conditions the Israelis have been enduring. Do you think the USA would be doing anything different?? If Mexico started launching rockets over the border at innocent civilian targets, I guarantee you the US would respond in exactly the same way.”

“The Israelis made every last Jew leave Gaza so the Arabs would have it all to themselves. Instead of building an economy, they launch attacks against Israel and then whine when the Israelis retaliate with blockades.”

“Here come the terrorist sympathizers trying to make excuses for Hamas and its Satanic Jihad…...The closer the Democrats get to thinking and acting like Hamas the closer the free and sovereign people of the United States need to be prepared to defend their own freedom…..Israel is only fighting for their right to exist and for the safety of their families. Hamas is trying to exterminate Israel and her people.”

And there are some like this gem which is what we are used to seeing on TruthDig from the ubiquitous core group of genocidal Israel-haters:

“NUKE ISRAEL FOR GOD SAKE. ISRAEL IS A ZIONIST TERRORIST STATE. AND THEY DON’T DESERVE TO LIVE IN THIS WORLD”

(Did Fadel contribute that “progressive” sentiment? Wouldn’t be surprised…...)

Report this

By dick, December 27, 2008 at 10:13 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

For 100 years in Palestine,  some Jews want to kill all Muslims and some Muslms want to kill all Jews. They are neighbors. There is no peaceful solution, only death and destruction. the USA was a fool to get involved, but Truman wanted the Jewish vote and caved-in.

Report this

By Crimson Ghost, December 27, 2008 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

Typical Zionist treachery and contempt for the “goy” by launching this massacre during the Christmas season. Looks like they also are determined to torpedo any hope of succesful peace talks when Obama tales office.

Wonder how many Mumbai type massacres will be triggered by this latest atrocity

Report this

By namer, December 27, 2008 at 10:00 am Link to this comment

Finally, the Israeli government is discharging its responsibility and acting to defend the 200,000 citizens of southern Israel suffering under the wave of thousands of Arab missiles aimed at their population centers. The absurd part of having to watch these events from the US is knowing with certainty that had Mexico been doing to San Diego and the rest of Southern California and Arizona, Mexico as a sovereign nation would have ceased to exist years ago. I do have some blame for the Israeli government for it’s lack of response, and the terrible result has been an erosion of deterrence. It is high time for that situation to change; enough is enough.

Israel forcibly removed every single Jew from Gaza five years ago - ethnic cleansing of Jews - and look what they’ve gotten in return - terror bombings, daily threats from Hamas, the build-up of a terrorist Hamastan entity which even now is instituting Sharia law - a veritable self-imposed Islamist hell-hole. The Arabs of Gaza have a beachfront Mediterranean location, but all they have done is make war against the Jews of Israel. Pathetic. I have never seen a more genocidal or irrational people in my lifetime than these Gazan Arabs. I hope Israel doesn’t impose the usual self-restraint this time and instead go after the Hamas terror regime with everything they have. It’s time for the Israelis to stop lying down for the Islamist terror gangs and defend themselves.

Report this

By Louise, December 27, 2008 at 9:25 am Link to this comment

“But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing.”

Yesterday they were fed, today they are butchered.

Tomorrow they will be expected to bow in submission and accept a crumb the day after tomorrow. And the wall that imprisons them will continue to grow. Israels version of a “make-work” project.

But perhaps this time Israel has gone to far, even for them.

I think the first step to peace in the Middle East is to permanently put away the Old Testament. Of course that wont happen. To do so would remove the rational that justifies a God who calls for murder on a grand scale. Then the followers of that God would have to stand exposed before the world and accept that they are the ones who call for murder on a grand scale.

But then we cant limit that madness to Israel, can we?

Little wonder we are all hypocrites and liars, not to mention schizoid with a marter complex! Even more remarkable is that there is a sane man left in the world!

Everywhere we look, we see a plastic star shining down on a bearded man in robes, standing over a veiled woman, beaming down on her new-born infant and we celebrate birth, life and Peace on Earth. But we fail to notice those statues look remarkably similar to the people in Gaza. And Iraq and Afghanistan for that matter.

Good thing this world-wide Christian Holiday is limited, for the most part, to one day. Else how could we emerge from our houses and go out and face another day of accepting that which is so unacceptable?

Matthew 6; 1-6

“(But) take care not to perform righteous deeds in order that people may see them; otherwise, you will have no recompense from your heavenly Father.

When you give alms, do not blow a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets to win the praise of others. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward.

But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right is doing, so that your almsgiving may be secret. And your Father who sees in secret will repay you.

“When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, who love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on street corners so that others may see them. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward.

But when you pray, go to your inner room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will repay you.”

Then comes the lords prayer.

Then comes the wise and learned explaining what God really meant and why we should understand and accept needless bloodshed.

And finally comes the hubris and conceit.

The stars in heaven can be seen by all people on the Earth. No man stands more deserving of that light than another. No man has exclusive permission to say this heaven and this earth belongs only to me.

Perhaps if we ever move beyond the insanity that says only my way is the right way, we will finally understand what peace on earth really means.

If you missed it, the best Christmas message broadcast this year can be found here:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html

Report this

By eileen fleming, December 27, 2008 at 9:23 am Link to this comment

If you pay USA taxes-you are culpable.

PLEASE Do Something and Join US:

Dear President-Elect Obama,

Congratulations on your historic election as the next President of the United States.

Last year, you pledged to “take an active role, and make a personal commitment to do all I can to advance the cause of [Israeli-Palestinian] peace from the start of my Administration.” We are eager to work with you to fulfill this goal.

To do so, your Administration should break with past policies of unconditional support for Israel’s illegal military occupation of the Palestinian West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip, and change U.S. policy toward Israel/Palestine to support human rights, international law, and equality.

We agree with Aaron David Miller, a 25-year State Department Middle East negotiator and adviser on Arab-Israeli affairs, who wrote that “For far too long, many American officials involved in Arab-Israeli peacemaking, myself included, have acted as Israel’s attorney, catering and coordinating with the Israelis at the expense of successful peace negotiations.”

To become an honest and effective broker, your Administration should:

* Insist that Israel ends its siege of the Gaza Strip. Israel has deliberately impoverished the 1.5 million residents of the Gaza Strip and caused a humanitarian catastrophe of dire proportions by prohibiting the delivery of food, medicine, fuel, and electricity. Your Administration should insist on the illegality of collective punishment and support the human rights of Palestinians such as freedom of movement as a first step towards ending Israel’s occupation of the Gaza Strip.

* Demand a freeze in the construction of settlements and Israel’s Wall in the West Bank. Israel’s West Bank settlements, including those in East Jerusalem, are all illegal under international law,and the International Court of Justice ruled in 2004 that Israel’s Wall is illegal and must be torn down. Halting this construction should be a first step toward completely dismantling the infrastructure of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which former President Jimmy Carter, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, and others have labeled “apartheid.”

* Hold Israel accountable for its misuse of U.S. weapons…......

A policy denying Palestinians internationally-guaranteed rights will only lead to yet another failed “peace process”.

To sign:
http://www.endtheoccupation.org/form.php?modin=137

Report this
PatrickHenry's avatar

By PatrickHenry, December 27, 2008 at 9:14 am Link to this comment

I can think of one economic outlay our new government can cut immediately, military and economic aid to Israel.

Report this

By Karim, December 27, 2008 at 9:13 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

If I ever needed anymore convincing that Israel has no place nor right in the Middle East say no more. Down
with that state!

Report this
Allan Krueger's avatar

By Allan Krueger, December 27, 2008 at 8:59 am Link to this comment

And all of those missiles said MADE IN USA on them!

Report this

By Fadel Abdallah, December 27, 2008 at 8:50 am Link to this comment

Just yesterday, TD posted a piece of news about Israeli lifting the siege of Gaza. It was too good piece of news to be true, and it turned out to be a trick for a big massacre that followed today.

Short of a total Islamic world military Jihad, those son of bitches will never be civilized! Only steel will blunt steel! And those who live by sword must perish by sword.

Report this
thebeerdoctor's avatar

By thebeerdoctor, December 27, 2008 at 7:58 am Link to this comment

Here is a link to this sorrowful mess:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/12/20081227131419185168.html

Report this

Page 3 of 3 pages  <  1 2 3

 
Monsters of Our Own Creation? Get tickets for this Truthdig discussion of America's role in the Middle East.
Right 1, Site wide - BlogAds Premium
 
Right Skyscraper, Site Wide
Right 2, Site wide - Blogads
 
Join the Liberal Blog Advertising Network
 
 
 

A Progressive Journal of News and Opinion   Publisher, Zuade Kaufman   Editor, Robert Scheer
© 2014 Truthdig, LLC. All rights reserved.

Like Truthdig on Facebook